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[2016-06-22 23:52:31] null : if mining is unprofitable, they shut down
[2016-06-22 23:52:33] QuantFocus : guys, we need a btc fork
[2016-06-22 23:52:35] QuantFocus : i lost too much money on this
[2016-06-22 23:52:41] wurstgelee : luckynuke: bin long ;)
[2016-06-22 23:52:53] boolander : spork
[2016-06-22 23:52:54] luckynuke : wurstgelee: seit wann ?
[2016-06-22 23:52:58] RoftheN : Miners can use their profit to keep the price high by holding and buying below a certain price. If buying is cheaper than mining, why not just buy?
[2016-06-22 23:52:58] QuantFocus : i say we revert back to 6/18
[2016-06-22 23:52:59] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: lol
[2016-06-22 23:53:08] wurstgelee : QuantFocus: lets vote on this first please
[2016-06-22 23:53:14] markimarki : null: they sell higher so its profitable
[2016-06-22 23:53:20] null : RoftheN: why would miners buy on top of their unprofitable operations?
[2016-06-22 23:53:23] QuantFocus : let the miners vote @wurstgelee
[2016-06-22 23:53:26] wurstgelee : to be sure we should drain bitmex funds into my childdao first ofc
[2016-06-22 23:53:29] luckynuke : wurstgelee: seit wann und mit welchem hebel ? ^^
[2016-06-22 23:53:44] wurstgelee : luckynuke: 588 25x
[2016-06-22 23:53:45] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-22 23:54:15] luckynuke : klingt gut mach ich auch
[2016-06-22 23:54:30] RoftheN : Because miners believe bitcoin will go up again, else they wouldn't have invested so much in ASICs. And if buying is far cheaper than mining, then they should buy.
[2016-06-22 23:54:42] luckynuke : wurstgelee: wv contracts ?
[2016-06-22 23:54:57] wurstgelee : 10
[2016-06-22 23:55:02] wurstgelee : k
[2016-06-22 23:55:15] luckynuke : hui ^^
[2016-06-22 23:55:43] wurstgelee : liq 568. wenn das nicht klappt ist eh vorbei vorerst
[2016-06-22 23:55:44] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-22 23:56:06] luckynuke : sind das all deine btc ? wo haste noch welche ?
[2016-06-22 23:56:07] wurstgelee : nicht mit meiner balance, sondern mit btc bull ;)
[2016-06-22 23:56:23] 1QaZxSw2 : I talked about the downturn and shorting on the way up a few days ago. anyone short near top?
[2016-06-22 23:56:34] wurstgelee : jau, jau. alles da
[2016-06-22 23:56:57] wurstgelee : grossteil nur schon zu polo und trex fuer #altsareback
[2016-06-22 23:57:12] luckynuke : ah ok ^^ darf ich fragen wv du hast ?
[2016-06-22 23:57:12] wurstgelee : hier liegt auch noch was, so is es nicht
[2016-06-22 23:57:13] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-22 23:57:36] wurstgelee : fragen ja, aber genau beantworten werd ich das nicht. :p
[2016-06-22 23:57:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1240 @ 599.20
[2016-06-22 23:57:38] wurstgelee : 2stellig
[2016-06-22 23:57:46] wurstgelee : das muss reichen ;)
[2016-06-22 23:57:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10289 @ 600.66
[2016-06-22 23:57:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 25 @ 600.05
[2016-06-22 23:57:58] REKT : Have a bowl of chop-chop suey!
[2016-06-22 23:58:01] luckynuke : hübsches sümmchen ^^
[2016-06-22 23:58:06] wurstgelee : oh lol
[2016-06-22 23:58:09] wurstgelee : we bounce
[2016-06-22 23:58:12] wurstgelee : i didnt notice
[2016-06-22 23:58:14] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-06-22 23:58:15] luckynuke : tradest du schon länger ?
[2016-06-22 23:58:18] wurstgelee : 2014
[2016-06-22 23:58:47] luckynuke : wurstgelee: wow wie war deine anfangszeit (die ersten 6 monate)
[2016-06-22 23:58:59] wurstgelee : holprig
[2016-06-22 23:59:03] lockhedge : wurstgelee: nice trade. aber warum 10k auf 25x und nicht cross?
[2016-06-22 23:59:03] wurstgelee : lernen durch schmerzen :)
[2016-06-22 23:59:16] QuantFocus : ich ban ein berlina
[2016-06-22 23:59:19] wurstgelee : weil ich pennen gehen wollte - kann ich ruhig mit fixed.
[2016-06-22 23:59:26] wurstgelee : für cross ist mir das grad zu riskant
[2016-06-22 23:59:28] luckynuke : wurstgelee: dann bin ich wohl nicht alleine :D wann gings bei dir deutlich aufwärts ?
[2016-06-22 23:59:29] QuantFocus : i don't actually speak zi deutchelande
[2016-06-22 23:59:34] wurstgelee : 25x ist akzeptal für mc ;)
[2016-06-22 23:59:47] QuantFocus : but i heard that line in a comedy show once
[2016-06-23 00:00:18] wurstgelee : way too much germans in here given its 2 am local time
[2016-06-23 00:01:25] wurstgelee : luckynuke: öh..gute frage. n jahr in etwa
[2016-06-23 00:01:45] luckynuke : wurstgelee: ah ok. Wann hast du eig vor deinen long zu schließen ?
[2016-06-23 00:01:53] wurstgelee : 25% sind zu
[2016-06-23 00:01:55] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-23 00:02:21] rapidtrades : finex ix such shit man
[2016-06-23 00:02:31] wurstgelee : keine ahnung. ich schau morgen mal was der so macht denke ich
[2016-06-23 00:02:33] wurstgelee : :p
[2016-06-23 00:02:37] rapidtrades : it takes minutes to cancel and seto rders, missed m
[2016-06-23 00:02:46] wurstgelee : der rest
[2016-06-23 00:02:49] luckynuke : wurstgelee: lol du lässt den einfach so über nacht offen ? :D
[2016-06-23 00:02:52] QuantFocus : du hast mesh
[2016-06-23 00:02:58] wurstgelee : das ist der plan
[2016-06-23 00:02:59] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-06-23 00:03:16] luckynuke : wurstgelee: krasser dude^^
[2016-06-23 00:03:36] wurstgelee : überschaubares risiko, lief ganz gut die letzten tage
[2016-06-23 00:03:45] wurstgelee : kann man auch mal ne runde verdaddeln
[2016-06-23 00:03:46] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-23 00:03:58] luckynuke : was sind deine tradingzeiten ?
[2016-06-23 00:04:36] wurstgelee : mehr oder weniger ganztägig eigentlich, bin it system admin
[2016-06-23 00:04:42] wurstgelee : also ganztägig internet etc...
[2016-06-23 00:04:48] wurstgelee : aber nicht durchgängig
[2016-06-23 00:04:51] wurstgelee : nach lust und laune
[2016-06-23 00:04:58] wurstgelee : manchmal auch 2-3 tage nicht
[2016-06-23 00:05:10] wurstgelee : so..aber nu. 2:05. bett. n8
[2016-06-23 00:05:11] luckynuke : wurstgelee: klingt nett ^^ und immer schön nach support und resistance oder auch mal so dazwischen ?
[2016-06-23 00:05:25] wurstgelee : sowohl als auch
[2016-06-23 00:05:26] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-23 00:05:28] Yumi : So XBTU16 is $200 above index because people use volatility to price it?
[2016-06-23 00:05:32] wurstgelee : so. nun aber weg
[2016-06-23 00:05:40] luckynuke : wurstgelee: ok gute nacht danke für die antworten ^^
[2016-06-23 00:05:59] wurstgelee : np
[2016-06-23 00:07:06] rapidtrades : f nazis
[2016-06-23 00:07:15] luckynuke : you are nazi
[2016-06-23 00:08:09] rapidtrades : a*
[2016-06-23 00:08:50] QuantFocus : something seems screwed up with the funding fee man
[2016-06-23 00:09:04] QuantFocus : -.06% for next round?
[2016-06-23 00:09:09] QuantFocus : really, after this day?
[2016-06-23 00:09:15] rapidtrades : what's the point of an exchange that lags when u need it most
[2016-06-23 00:09:18] QuantFocus : longs were paying 1% per 8 hours
[2016-06-23 00:09:50] rapidtrades : took 2 mins to cancel then 2 extra mins to set new order
[2016-06-23 00:09:52] wurstgelee : luckynuke: one last thing: closed with a decent profit. doesnt look good enough ;)
[2016-06-23 00:10:05] rapidtrades : how can ppl justify trading at finex its such shit
[2016-06-23 00:12:28] gustavo7 : gah DPE to the moon
[2016-06-23 00:13:17] rapidtrades : well i didn't sell into it so u only have urselvves to blame
[2016-06-23 00:16:02] QuantFocus : if this isn't the bottom, i'm jumping off a bridge
[2016-06-23 00:16:06] QuantFocus : nice knowing you all
[2016-06-23 00:18:39] RoftheN : Goodbye sir
[2016-06-23 00:18:46] RoftheN : Have a nice adrenalin boost
[2016-06-23 00:45:00] rapidtrades : test
[2016-06-23 00:45:09] rapidtrades : where u all at
[2016-06-23 00:52:23] QuantFocus : ded
[2016-06-23 00:52:36] rapidtrades : no bottom?
[2016-06-23 00:53:40] rapidtrades : cmon...we can't keep going down
[2016-06-23 00:54:04] rapidtrades : god dam stupid f chinese
[2016-06-23 00:54:15] rapidtrades : bitcoin didn't move like this before they got involved
[2016-06-23 00:54:25] QuantFocus : damn near hit the 61.8% fib retrace
[2016-06-23 00:54:50] rapidtrades : its crazy
[2016-06-23 00:55:01] rapidtrades : even wurst went long
[2016-06-23 00:55:37] rapidtrades : the f*cking perma-bear wurs
[2016-06-23 00:57:15] rapidtrades : they keep selling for no reason...crazy mofos
[2016-06-23 00:58:23] rapidtrades : do u rly need ur shitty Yuan that much
[2016-06-23 00:58:28] rapidtrades : u slated eyed mofos
[2016-06-23 00:58:43] QuantFocus : dang, that's a bit hostile
[2016-06-23 00:58:55] rapidtrades : its ok no chinese here
[2016-06-23 00:59:15] rapidtrades : its no racist if they cant hear it
[2016-06-23 00:59:23] boolander : the fomo mofo's
[2016-06-23 00:59:37] QuantFocus : ah yes, the ol' chinamen in the woods philosophy
[2016-06-23 00:59:50] boolander : it's ok, my wife is chinese
[2016-06-23 01:00:28] QuantFocus : all interesting rationalizations
[2016-06-23 01:01:18] boolander : would still rather live in a filterless rapid world vs a filtered one
[2016-06-23 01:02:27] rapidtrades : its crazy...$200 from highs and still panicked selling
[2016-06-23 01:03:33] REKT : Choppy waters make solid seamen!
[2016-06-23 01:03:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 6000 @ 589.16
[2016-06-23 01:03:34] Rado : Rapidtrades: if it makes you feel better I placed my long orders
[2016-06-23 01:03:47] Rado : only partial fills so far
[2016-06-23 01:03:52] QuantFocus : REKT: i got some seamen for you
[2016-06-23 01:04:16] rapidtrades : this is a f disaster, nothing makes me feel better
[2016-06-23 01:04:44] QuantFocus : the rally back up to 900 will feel good
[2016-06-23 01:05:11] rapidtrades : there won't be a rally back to 900 man
[2016-06-23 01:05:18] Rado : Lol
[2016-06-23 01:05:23] QuantFocus : i mean, i'm assuming this avalanche slows down, we get a few days of softness, then improvement
[2016-06-23 01:05:25] rapidtrades : wake up and smell the rice...they fucked us again
[2016-06-23 01:05:34] Rado : it doesn't seem like it at the moment
[2016-06-23 01:05:52] rapidtrades : with their tiny penises
[2016-06-23 01:05:58] QuantFocus : i want to believe it's a shakeout
[2016-06-23 01:06:02] QuantFocus : one really bad shakeout
[2016-06-23 01:06:18] rapidtrades : this is it, the death of bitcoin
[2016-06-23 01:06:26] QuantFocus : i mean, if you could wreck longs first, then shorts, wouldn't you?
[2016-06-23 01:06:42] rapidtrades : no cos it does me no good
[2016-06-23 01:10:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12257 @ 587.71
[2016-06-23 01:10:46] Rado : More longs filled
[2016-06-23 01:12:53] aethlios : I had sold sept 5000 contr at 1020 and now someone sold to my bid at 675. Nice!!
[2016-06-23 01:13:09] aethlios : Not expected!!
[2016-06-23 01:13:31] rapidtrades : well where is it then
[2016-06-23 01:13:46] Rado : I also filled Sep
[2016-06-23 01:13:56] rapidtrades : not in recent trades thats for sure
[2016-06-23 01:14:00] miramm1115 : I'm still short sept from $989
[2016-06-23 01:14:09] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: 675.00 5000 21:10:26
[2016-06-23 01:14:19] Rado : imy fills are over 700
[2016-06-23 01:14:27] rapidtrades : miramm1115: nope
[2016-06-23 01:14:31] miramm1115 : 4 min ago
[2016-06-23 01:14:40] Rado : not sure what aethilos is saying
[2016-06-23 01:14:59] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: check recent trades on sept
[2016-06-23 01:15:25] aethlios : rapidtrades: it was arb 1020-737 (283 spread. Now 587-675 spread 88, so profit 195 usd spread.
[2016-06-23 01:16:01] Rado : I see it
[2016-06-23 01:16:10] Rado : nice aethilos
[2016-06-23 01:16:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 460 @ 591.06
[2016-06-23 01:16:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 151528 @ 585.17 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-23 01:16:44] QuantFocus : ouch
[2016-06-23 01:17:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 582.04
[2016-06-23 01:17:16] miramm1115 : 25% DPE, not good
[2016-06-23 01:17:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4899 @ 580.79
[2016-06-23 01:18:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 29002 @ 579.07 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-23 01:19:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 140 @ 0.02271
[2016-06-23 01:19:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 61 @ 0.02289
[2016-06-23 01:19:42] aethlios : finex stands strong to supprot the scum chinese dumping
[2016-06-23 01:22:23] rapidtrades : our exchanges rly need to realise that trading in china is fake
[2016-06-23 01:22:30] rapidtrades : especially on okc
[2016-06-23 01:22:55] aethlios : rapidtrades: it is but all follow china.
[2016-06-23 01:23:07] rapidtrades : sad but true
[2016-06-23 01:23:30] rapidtrades : it still boggles my mind that there wasn't outrage at okc capping the premium
[2016-06-23 01:24:06] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: yep, okc pretty much stopped the rally
[2016-06-23 01:24:28] rapidtrades : bitcoiners will take anything man...maybe arthur was right.....everyone is an immature child
[2016-06-23 01:24:29] aethlios : 120 usd up move left from 450, again noone in profit.
[2016-06-23 01:24:58] miramm1115 : aethlios: check the leaderboard, top guy made 300 coins
[2016-06-23 01:25:29] aethlios : miramm1115: I mean a buy and hold strategy, many bought above 600.
[2016-06-23 01:26:12] miramm1115 : buy and hold is not really a strategy
[2016-06-23 01:26:26] miramm1115 : just an investment
[2016-06-23 01:27:31] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Wally, BitMEX_Sam: XBTU16 fair basis too high, has to be adjusted
[2016-06-23 01:31:05] aethlios : 575 is a serious resistance, if not the bottom it can bounce at least.
[2016-06-23 01:31:53] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 6150 @ 574.76
[2016-06-23 01:31:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 2049 @ 768.43
[2016-06-23 01:31:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 574.94
[2016-06-23 01:31:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 574.59
[2016-06-23 01:32:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1700 @ 573.07
[2016-06-23 01:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 622 @ 571.78
[2016-06-23 01:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 50 @ 570.15
[2016-06-23 01:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2100 @ 571.89
[2016-06-23 01:32:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2 @ 571.54 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-23 01:32:45] miramm1115 : aethlios: what resistance? :wink:
[2016-06-23 01:32:48] zanza : what just happened?
[2016-06-23 01:32:57] aethlios : miramm1115: support
[2016-06-23 01:34:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 1298 @ 752.47
[2016-06-23 01:34:56] zanza : 30% DPE! can we do 40?
[2016-06-23 01:35:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 229 @ 743.38
[2016-06-23 01:36:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 75 @ 564.90
[2016-06-23 01:36:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10000 @ 564.61
[2016-06-23 01:36:46] zanza : rapidtrades: now you should be tanking OKC for not letting you open more longs :)
[2016-06-23 01:38:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `LTCXBT`: Sell 22 @ 0.00635
[2016-06-23 01:39:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 75 @ 552.23
[2016-06-23 01:39:54] miramm1115 : aethlios: dont' think there is any support till $480-490
[2016-06-23 01:40:14] aethlios : miramm1115: I calculate fib retracements
[2016-06-23 01:40:37] miramm1115 : ah ok, must be true than :smile:
[2016-06-23 01:42:16] boolander : make bitcoin great again
[2016-06-23 01:42:26] boolander : hats
[2016-06-23 01:45:43] rapidtrades : we're now $20 above china
[2016-06-23 01:45:46] rapidtrades : (finex)
[2016-06-23 01:46:08] rapidtrades : so either okc is going under...or finex
[2016-06-23 01:46:09] smagin07 : I bet some of you have been making a shiiiiiiiiiitload in these past couple weeks
[2016-06-23 01:46:17] rapidtrades : smagin f off
[2016-06-23 01:46:29] smagin07 : :) I love you too
[2016-06-23 01:46:32] smagin07 : :*
[2016-06-23 01:47:06] smagin07 : *I bet all of you but rapidtrades have been making a shiiiiittttload in these past couple weeks
[2016-06-23 01:47:42] zanza : im gunna go long here
[2016-06-23 01:47:44] rapidtrades : i puked my eth short to free up margin
[2016-06-23 01:47:45] zanza : this is bottom
[2016-06-23 01:47:50] rapidtrades : forgive me fellas
[2016-06-23 01:49:27] rapidtrades : hypothesis...an exchange in china is having major problems
[2016-06-23 01:49:40] rapidtrades : would explain their crazy selling
[2016-06-23 01:49:54] rapidtrades : yay or nay
[2016-06-23 01:52:15] aethlios : rapidtrades: maybe unprofitable miners selling there stash.
[2016-06-23 01:53:47] benlenz : I would suspect its lead by profit-taking and fueled by crypto fears from the DAO hack
[2016-06-23 01:55:49] boolander : greed & fear inside the casino
[2016-06-23 01:55:50] rapidtrades : as long as its not finex with the problems i'll be fine....im losing everywhere but there
[2016-06-23 01:56:28] rapidtrades : if its finex....im done in crypto
[2016-06-23 01:56:32] rapidtrades : wiped out...
[2016-06-23 01:56:52] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: that's really sad
[2016-06-23 01:57:09] odieoh : How does the withheld profit work? Gets redistributed at some point?
[2016-06-23 01:57:41] miramm1115 : odieoh: unlocked daily or weekly depending on the contract
[2016-06-23 01:57:43] aethlios : don't remember 500 to 300?? same thing.
[2016-06-23 01:58:07] miramm1115 : odieoh: go to your account page, it says when it's unlocked
[2016-06-23 01:58:12] rapidtrades : miramm1115: it is what it is....most of the profit from my long was in there...rest had arbs etc...
[2016-06-23 01:58:50] odieoh : And if it's negative, it gets deducted from wallet?
[2016-06-23 01:59:10] miramm1115 : odieoh: yes, deducted from wallet right away
[2016-06-23 01:59:39] rapidtrades : china at 540...has to be major issue we don't know about
[2016-06-23 02:00:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 1125 @ 550.58
[2016-06-23 02:01:10] santacruz : DPE = 33%
[2016-06-23 02:01:18] santacruz : f..ck me in the ass
[2016-06-23 02:01:32] santacruz : how I can trade like this?
[2016-06-23 02:02:00] micmix : rapidtrades: my bots are having issues with bitvc, not sure what's going on
[2016-06-23 02:02:46] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-06-23 02:02:53] micmix : bitvc is second largest futures platform in China
[2016-06-23 02:03:01] rapidtrades : i know
[2016-06-23 02:03:12] rapidtrades : f*ck
[2016-06-23 02:03:25] rapidtrades : well at least most of the rape is priced in now
[2016-06-23 02:03:43] rapidtrades : waiting for the announcement i guess
[2016-06-23 02:03:52] micmix : not a good week for crypto :(
[2016-06-23 02:04:03] aethlios : rapidtrades: don't be afraid, this is crypto, premium to the upside, discount to the downside.
[2016-06-23 02:04:27] rapidtrades : aethlios: sir do u understand that these are not normal markets? smth is up
[2016-06-23 02:04:40] rapidtrades : i still place my bet on okc
[2016-06-23 02:05:19] rapidtrades : micmix: do u know how to verify bitfinex reserves?
[2016-06-23 02:05:31] micmix : rapidtrades: no
[2016-06-23 02:05:33] rapidtrades : they say its visable on the blockchain
[2016-06-23 02:06:01] micmix : I saw a link somewhere but don't remember exactly
[2016-06-23 02:06:51] j8 : rapidtrades: look at bitgo on the integrations page
[2016-06-23 02:07:09] rapidtrades : smth has to be going on.....either a china issue or bitfinex going under and ppl pay premium to cashout
[2016-06-23 02:08:44] nip : does dpe go to 0 in 2 hours or 10?
[2016-06-23 02:08:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2 @ 0.02313 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-23 02:09:23] aethlios : nip: 10
[2016-06-23 02:09:36] mbaril : how does dpe affect our gain and lost ?
[2016-06-23 02:09:39] nip : boring
[2016-06-23 02:09:49] aethlios : mbaril: gain
[2016-06-23 02:10:06] mbaril : aethlios: can you explain not sure to understnad well on the faq page
[2016-06-23 02:10:53] aethlios : mbaril: final profit is your profit minus dpe*profit
[2016-06-23 02:11:06] micmix : and losses are not affected by DPE
[2016-06-23 02:11:24] aethlios : micmix: no, dpe is paid from profitable traders
[2016-06-23 02:11:40] mbaril : aethlios: you are telling me my profit = profit*0.7
[2016-06-23 02:11:44] micmix : aethlios: that's what I said :smile:
[2016-06-23 02:12:01] aethlios : mbaril: yes a haircut of 31.54% now
[2016-06-23 02:12:09] mbaril : shit not nice
[2016-06-23 02:12:18] mbaril : and how does dpe go up or down ?
[2016-06-23 02:12:31] zanza : the farther we get from the opened liquidation
[2016-06-23 02:12:33] zanza : the higher the DPE
[2016-06-23 02:12:36] aethlios : mbaril: if we reverse it will drop. we have 10 full hours
[2016-06-23 02:13:07] mbaril : the farther we from from the opened liquidation
[2016-06-23 02:13:13] mbaril : where can we see opened liquidation ?
[2016-06-23 02:13:43] aethlios : mbaril: I don't think we can see
[2016-06-23 02:14:00] mbaril : so they put what ever they want for dpe
[2016-06-23 02:14:04] mbaril : kind of bad
[2016-06-23 02:14:26] micmix : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/liquidation
[2016-06-23 02:14:32] nip : i like it since i know not to open a position until tomorrow
[2016-06-23 02:14:58] QuantFocus : i thought dpe reset at each funding
[2016-06-23 02:15:11] micmix : 1.5m USD liquidation
[2016-06-23 02:15:26] rapidtrades : micmix: how many liqs at okc?
[2016-06-23 02:15:40] aethlios : QuantFocus: resets once daily
[2016-06-23 02:15:47] QuantFocus : ah
[2016-06-23 02:15:49] mbaril : micmix: so the liquidation price is 618
[2016-06-23 02:16:19] aethlios : mbaril: it can recover easily above 600 in 10 hours
[2016-06-23 02:16:42] nip : anyone know why this crashes?
[2016-06-23 02:16:59] jung1 : its fun
[2016-06-23 02:17:43] rapidtrades : nip: no clue but imo smth major is up
[2016-06-23 02:17:43] mbaril : wondering when it will stop to drop
[2016-06-23 02:17:47] micmix : rapidtrades: no open liq on okc
[2016-06-23 02:17:55] rapidtrades : wow...what a scam
[2016-06-23 02:18:03] subjective : Lucky got rekt couple of times in the last few drops and stopped look. Now get in this great price
[2016-06-23 02:18:43] rapidtrades : ANY CHINAMAN MAN HERE
[2016-06-23 02:18:54] rapidtrades : whats going on in ur country frineds?
[2016-06-23 02:19:06] rapidtrades : .....besides lung cancer of course
[2016-06-23 02:19:15] subjective : Me china
[2016-06-23 02:19:25] rapidtrades : subjective: hey, any rumors
[2016-06-23 02:19:34] subjective : Austrlian Chinese if that counts
[2016-06-23 02:19:37] rapidtrades : why u crashing
[2016-06-23 02:19:38] boolander : lemme look out the window...hmm, nope, no burning tires yet.
[2016-06-23 02:19:41] rapidtrades : no man
[2016-06-23 02:19:50] rapidtrades : subjective: u speak chinese?
[2016-06-23 02:19:57] subjective : Yes
[2016-06-23 02:20:05] rapidtrades : go inevstigate at bitvc
[2016-06-23 02:20:28] rapidtrades : micmix: does bitvc have chat room
[2016-06-23 02:20:51] subjective : Let me guess hyper + Chinese miners are insolvent
[2016-06-23 02:21:12] micmix : rapidtrades: don't think so
[2016-06-23 02:22:13] rapidtrades : micmix: whats up with bitvc exactly...down or what
[2016-06-23 02:22:26] rapidtrades : they're owned by btcc right? is that down too
[2016-06-23 02:23:54] aethlios : this selling is on okcoin spot and huobi, chinese miners maybe selling.
[2016-06-23 02:24:30] aethlios : speculators run the price to 800 and miners dumped to 565.
[2016-06-23 02:25:40] rapidtrades : if that's true that we'll have a sharp reveresal soon
[2016-06-23 02:26:06] rapidtrades : rally is dead tho
[2016-06-23 02:26:46] jung1 : yeah same talk was at 4900 and 4000 cny
[2016-06-23 02:26:53] jung1 : and basicly every stops
[2016-06-23 02:27:04] nip : woodchipper.com or woodchipper.cn?
[2016-06-23 02:27:12] aethlios : rapidtrades: spot in china below west 20 usd, okcoin futures are down because of arb. maybe chinese miners unprofitable after halving are selling now their inventory before going out of business. my logic explanation.
[2016-06-23 02:28:23] mbaril : aethlios: make sense
[2016-06-23 02:28:34] mbaril : halving will be hard for a lot of miner
[2016-06-23 02:31:02] rapidtrades : my withheld profit is not included in the balance right
[2016-06-23 02:31:12] rapidtrades : in my wallet
[2016-06-23 02:31:56] aethlios : finex is fine, I made 2 withdrawals today of 25+20 btc. 3 days before everybody was saying I wish I had bought 720......
[2016-06-23 02:32:26] subjective : Anyone runs market maker here?
[2016-06-23 02:32:45] rapidtrades : micmix
[2016-06-23 02:32:49] subjective : bot
[2016-06-23 02:33:02] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Realised profit goes into your wallet balance and margin balance, but is then withheld from your available balance
[2016-06-23 02:33:37] rapidtrades : unrealized?
[2016-06-23 02:33:40] lockhedge : subjective: i'm also running a small mm bot
[2016-06-23 02:33:41] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: Hi, any information do you have what happens in china??
[2016-06-23 02:33:42] zanza : what is the normal spread between Finex and BTCE?
[2016-06-23 02:34:25] rapidtrades : $3
[2016-06-23 02:34:50] rapidtrades : or $20-$50 during rallies
[2016-06-23 02:35:33] micmix : rapidtrades: API errors when getting futures data from bitvc, website seems to work but it's all in Chinese, can't really use it
[2016-06-23 02:37:09] aethlios : rapidtrades: huobi spot is 20 yuan lower than okcoin, maybe the selling in happening there and arb drives all markets down.
[2016-06-23 02:37:12] micmix : maybe it's nothing, just some API issue
[2016-06-23 02:39:26] subjective : lockhedge: I just got the python script, how does it perform?
[2016-06-23 02:40:17] micmix : subjective: run it on testnet first to see how it trades
[2016-06-23 02:40:34] jung1 : which script?
[2016-06-23 02:40:38] jung1 : want to share?
[2016-06-23 02:40:54] subjective : micmix: okay, does it have same performance like mainnet?
[2016-06-23 02:41:22] subjective : jung1: GitHub Google bitmex market maker
[2016-06-23 02:41:23] micmix : subjective: not really but at least you'll see what it does
[2016-06-23 02:42:00] subjective : micmix: I will get both running together to see the difference.
[2016-06-23 02:42:14] micmix : good idea
[2016-06-23 02:42:17] subjective : micmix: do you use the GitHub build or custom?
[2016-06-23 02:42:27] micmix : all custom
[2016-06-23 02:42:57] subjective : nice, way to go. I will start with existing scripts and build it out slowly
[2016-06-23 02:43:14] micmix : I think lockhedge's bot is based on bitmex mm bot
[2016-06-23 02:43:42] subjective : do you have logic that cancel the orders that misses the market by 20%? Ex. Sells sits on 720 still
[2016-06-23 02:44:12] subjective : ot leave it there forever
[2016-06-23 02:44:30] micmix : it should never happen, mm bot adjusts order every few seconds
[2016-06-23 02:45:13] subjective : True, I was using Haas MM boy that has open orders from past trades. Problem with generic bot
[2016-06-23 02:46:17] aethlios : shity chinese let the market bounce
[2016-06-23 02:46:27] micmix : as far as I remember bitmex mm bot moves all quotes every few seconds
[2016-06-23 02:47:12] micmix : it's a solid foundation to build on, just needs proper models/strategies
[2016-06-23 02:47:20] micmix : and inventory control
[2016-06-23 02:47:40] subjective : micmix: yep
[2016-06-23 02:47:41] micmix : and hedging and some other stuff :wink:
[2016-06-23 02:47:58] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 570.14 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-23 02:48:28] subjective : micmix: I am sticking to arb and MM bots, I suck at trading, better at coding/mining
[2016-06-23 02:48:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 5 @ 572.39
[2016-06-23 02:48:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1167 @ 573.49
[2016-06-23 02:48:53] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-06-23 02:49:04] QuantFocus : well, first recovery we've seen after a selloff
[2016-06-23 02:49:06] QuantFocus : might be a good sign
[2016-06-23 02:49:55] QuantFocus : of course that last sell off was just enough to rek my anus, but oh well
[2016-06-23 02:49:55] boolander : if so, alts gonna get smacked
[2016-06-23 02:51:31] jung1 : 100cny recover
[2016-06-23 02:51:32] jung1 : not bad
[2016-06-23 02:54:33] Rado : 75% of orders filled
[2016-06-23 02:54:45] mbaril : is ok coin down ?
[2016-06-23 02:54:52] mbaril : dont see any transaction on bitcoinwisdom
[2016-06-23 02:54:54] Rado : pretty scary
[2016-06-23 02:56:36] CaptainDean : okcoin @ 3693
[2016-06-23 02:56:58] mbaril : ok maybe only bitcoinwisdom is down
[2016-06-23 02:57:46] CaptainDean : mbaril: i know who you are
[2016-06-23 02:57:56] mbaril : ahahaha
[2016-06-23 02:57:59] mbaril : Good for you dude ;)
[2016-06-23 03:02:04] mbaril : Captain Dean lets kill this DPE ;)
[2016-06-23 03:03:56] rapidtrades : f*ck china
[2016-06-23 03:04:02] rapidtrades : we're de-coupled
[2016-06-23 03:08:08] mbaril : push it to the limit!
[2016-06-23 03:10:52] elmorte : So any exchanges go down?
[2016-06-23 03:11:44] rapidtrades : we dont; know yet
[2016-06-23 03:14:16] aethlios : we need 620 for dpe, 8 hours is enough to recover
[2016-06-23 03:14:36] rapidtrades : why is index at 583
[2016-06-23 03:14:51] clipperhawk : y is deposits taking so freakin long ??
[2016-06-23 03:15:01] aethlios : rapidtrades: okcoin keeps it down
[2016-06-23 03:15:05] CaptainDean : OkCoin is @ 565
[2016-06-23 03:15:16] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-06-23 03:15:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 200 @ 0.02199
[2016-06-23 03:15:36] CaptainDean : I think they weight like 18% of the index
[2016-06-23 03:15:42] rapidtrades : coinbase already over 600
[2016-06-23 03:16:35] rapidtrades : ok so to get my total balance...i take wallet _unrealized pnl right
[2016-06-23 03:16:41] CaptainDean : now at 658
[2016-06-23 03:16:43] rapidtrades : + not _
[2016-06-23 03:16:53] rapidtrades : plus not +
[2016-06-23 03:16:57] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: There is a chart here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-23 03:17:03] BitMEX_Wally : Wallet Balance + Unrealised PNL = Margin Balance
[2016-06-23 03:17:08] BitMEX_Wally : Margin Balance is your total equity
[2016-06-23 03:17:44] rapidtrades : ok so to simplify stuff, if i closed everything at mark price, i would be able to withdraw wallet +unrealizzed ppnl
[2016-06-23 03:18:11] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Effectively yes
[2016-06-23 03:18:19] rapidtrades : cool beans
[2016-06-23 03:18:42] BitMEX_Wally : After rebalance of course
[2016-06-23 03:18:47] aethlios : rapidtrades: are you leaving crypto???
[2016-06-23 03:18:54] rapidtrades : lol no?
[2016-06-23 03:19:05] rapidtrades : well idk...if finex is in trouble yeah
[2016-06-23 03:19:07] mbaril : BitMEX_Wally: withheld profit is calculated every 8h ?
[2016-06-23 03:19:35] aethlios : brexit will push us up today.
[2016-06-23 03:20:16] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-23 03:21:31] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: is it technical easy to make rebalance every 8 hours??
[2016-06-23 03:21:53] BitMEX_Wally : If there is no DPE then we unlock 50% of realised profit every 8 hours
[2016-06-23 03:22:47] BitMEX_Wally : Then all remaining withheld profit is unlocked after rebalance
[2016-06-23 03:23:22] rapidtrades : arbers gonna make it hard to go over 600
[2016-06-23 03:27:44] rapidtrades : finex is charging 0.0% for shorts
[2016-06-23 03:27:51] rapidtrades : 0.05%
[2016-06-23 03:29:08] ayy_lmao : fucking 30% dpe
[2016-06-23 03:29:10] ayy_lmao : my god
[2016-06-23 03:29:14] ayy_lmao : rekt
[2016-06-23 03:29:21] ayy_lmao : need to bounce lmao
[2016-06-23 03:29:36] rapidtrades : lol did u just notice that
[2016-06-23 03:32:46] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: can you switch to BFX mark price again
[2016-06-23 03:33:21] yerb : this mark price almost margin called me even when my position was in profit
[2016-06-23 03:33:44] BitMEX_Wally : yerb: Bitfinex was added back into the Kaiko index. They are 50% of the weight
[2016-06-23 03:34:03] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: can you restore my previously MC'd position?
[2016-06-23 03:34:10] yerb : ok, then fic the mark price , because it is false
[2016-06-23 03:34:14] BitMEX_Wally : QuantFocus: No
[2016-06-23 03:34:15] yerb : *fix
[2016-06-23 03:34:28] QuantFocus : i had to buy back in, now I'm hosed on my profit because of DPE
[2016-06-23 03:34:28] rapidtrades : yerb: its not false, okc is in the trash
[2016-06-23 03:34:46] QuantFocus : assuming this is sustained
[2016-06-23 03:35:00] rapidtrades : QuantFocus: all profit/loss on same contract is added up
[2016-06-23 03:35:06] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: i was half joking
[2016-06-23 03:35:12] rapidtrades : its not per position DPE
[2016-06-23 03:35:33] yerb : wll my position be liquidated even when its in profit?i
[2016-06-23 03:35:38] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-06-23 03:35:40] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: so if i have net negative overall realized PNL, i won't pay DPE if my current position is in the money?
[2016-06-23 03:35:54] yerb : fck this sh*t!!!
[2016-06-23 03:35:55] rapidtrades : negative in the previous 24 hrs yes
[2016-06-23 03:36:03] QuantFocus : ok, good
[2016-06-23 03:36:07] QuantFocus : that helps
[2016-06-23 03:36:17] BitMEX_Wally : A position is not liquidated when in profit
[2016-06-23 03:36:21] QuantFocus : it's like preparation H
[2016-06-23 03:36:32] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: ah cool didn't know that
[2016-06-23 03:36:49] yerb : but if mark price goes below my liq price, will it be liquidated?
[2016-06-23 03:36:55] BitMEX_Wally : yerb: Yes
[2016-06-23 03:37:00] rapidtrades : looool
[2016-06-23 03:37:16] yerb : even when position is in profit according to the book?
[2016-06-23 03:37:21] QuantFocus : but mark price can't go below liquidation while in the money...
[2016-06-23 03:37:31] BitMEX_Wally : yerb: Positions are marked to the mark price
[2016-06-23 03:37:39] rapidtrades : hahahhaha
[2016-06-23 03:37:42] rapidtrades : so i was right
[2016-06-23 03:37:46] yerb : this is bullshit
[2016-06-23 03:37:46] aethlios : rapidtrades: with china in discount we can sell premium again after the dpe leaves.
[2016-06-23 03:38:09] rapidtrades : dpe maay take few days to clear...
[2016-06-23 03:38:17] rapidtrades : plus funds still stuck at finex
[2016-06-23 03:40:12] moonshot : I had an open limite order but when the price droped my position was liquidated and the limite order was removed unfilled even that it was in the order book and at a higher price that the liquidation price. WTF
[2016-06-23 03:40:29] BitMEX_Wally : moonshot: All orders are canceled when you are liquidated
[2016-06-23 03:40:58] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: seriousle you have to fix that
[2016-06-23 03:41:05] moonshot : well okay but the order should have been filled before the liquidation
[2016-06-23 03:41:28] BitMEX_Wally : moonshot: Only if the future traded below the bid price.
[2016-06-23 03:41:39] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price triggers liquidations
[2016-06-23 03:42:20] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: are you ever going to fix this mark price difference issue?
[2016-06-23 03:43:01] messiaen8844 : wally, when is more liquidity cominng to 100x Yen futures?? looking forward to trading this, but currently impossible
[2016-06-23 03:43:29] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-06-23 03:43:30] messiaen8844 : and please list it also in USD if possible
[2016-06-23 03:43:50] yerb : also PNL shows unrealistic values, please add an option in the preferences so we can choose how PNL is calculated, i would like for example to have it calculated based on the book market close
[2016-06-23 03:44:02] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: have u made a decision on the longer-dated quantos?
[2016-06-23 03:44:19] messiaen8844 : hope they do add Dec futures rapid
[2016-06-23 03:44:27] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-06-23 03:44:30] nip : i think you should keep 2 quarterly quantos at all times
[2016-06-23 03:44:44] messiaen8844 : or maybe they can replace it week weekly/quarterly
[2016-06-23 03:44:51] messiaen8844 : replace *with
[2016-06-23 03:44:58] rapidtrades : id rather have quaterly + 6m
[2016-06-23 03:45:20] aethlios : 3m 6m 12m
[2016-06-23 03:45:21] BitMEX_Wally : messiaen8844: We have several market makers who are going to quote XBJ24H
[2016-06-23 03:45:44] yerb : BitMEX_Wally: also PNL shows unrealistic values, please add an option in the preferences so we can choose how PNL is calculated, i would like for example to have it calculated based on the book market close
[2016-06-23 03:45:49] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to add an automatic USD to JPY currency convertor on the frontend so you can trade XBJ24H as if it was XBT24H
[2016-06-23 03:46:59] asdfman : make it changable.
[2016-06-23 03:47:11] asdfman : pleace
[2016-06-23 03:47:18] asdfman : please*
[2016-06-23 03:47:52] CaptainDean : yerb: Yeah, ivery nice idea
[2016-06-23 03:48:26] yerb : yeah but @BitMEX_Wally is not responding @CaptainDean
[2016-06-23 03:49:37] yerb : or maybe hes making notes idk
[2016-06-23 03:49:43] boolander : or maybe 2 columns with PnL to mark and one with PnL off the mid's of current bitmex market?
[2016-06-23 03:49:56] QuantFocus : boolander: that's exactly what i was thinking
[2016-06-23 03:49:59] rapidtrades : arbers bringing usd/china closer
[2016-06-23 03:50:13] yerb : mark price is always off, so PNL based on that is useless