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[2015-08-18 06:26:05] gustavo7 : ye i'm still confused how i can put up orders across the book but them are actually in danger of getting canceled
[2015-08-18 06:26:47] TrevinHofmann : gustavo, do you have a position that puts you at 95% margin use? Or do you just have a lot of open offers
[2015-08-18 06:26:51] gustavo7 : on 796 i know exactly when i can put orders because it takes a bit of balance and thats it
[2015-08-18 06:27:24] gustavo7 : positions are good, but i got some orders for scooping
[2015-08-18 06:27:38] TrevinHofmann : gustavo7: Hit the settings on the top right, and check "Advanced" for the layout.
[2015-08-18 06:27:51] TrevinHofmann : Then go to the "Advanced Margin Details" tab
[2015-08-18 06:27:58] TrevinHofmann : It shows a really nice layout of your margin.
[2015-08-18 06:28:29] TrevinHofmann : You can also get to it with Account / Wallet -> Wallet
[2015-08-18 06:28:56] gustavo7 : i know, thats where i saw the percentage
[2015-08-18 06:29:01] TrevinHofmann : Ah
[2015-08-18 06:38:35] gustavo7 : i'm back in half a hour
[2015-08-18 06:38:48] gustavo7 : 70% good for now
[2015-08-18 07:19:34] gustavo7 : so short open 260, close 250, long open 240 and "all" margin used - will i need more margin when it moves to 280?
[2015-08-18 12:19:52] ksinvest : somebody sold my mm bot 255 contracts on XBU24H for 256.62 just 54 seconds before settlement (256.90) . Thanks, but why?
[2015-08-18 12:49:10] krtek.net : ntp stratum 15 :)
[2015-08-18 14:30:25] krtek.net : mind-boggles
[2015-08-18 14:30:40] BitMEX_Arthur : whats up?
[2015-08-18 14:31:10] krtek.net : ETH7D, after the price reached 501, somebody sold 332 contracts :)
[2015-08-18 14:47:20] rauher4lyfe : so these are futures contracts with actual bitcoins as the underlying commodity?
[2015-08-18 14:50:32] gustavo7 : yes, you can't send altcoins here
[2015-08-18 14:57:38] krtek.net : ether-bears be like :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
[2015-08-18 15:12:39] gustavo7 : bought at .00444 :)
[2015-08-18 15:18:14] krtek.net : Mine has average entry of 459 now :)
[2015-08-18 16:33:45] Blargwaffle : Hovering over the price adjustment % shows a cut-off tooltip.
[2015-08-18 16:43:59] krtek.net : Yep,, if about 50 % of the toolip fits the screen, it is placed above the link, thus gets cut off
[2015-08-18 16:47:43] krtek.net : as whole, tooltips are very inconsitent, sometimes they are hinted with question mark, sometimes not. And chat input field tooltip has broken rendering.
[2015-08-18 16:48:14] krtek.net : &gox;
[2015-08-18 16:48:19] krtek.net : `gox`
[2015-08-18 16:53:11] lnovy : ctcp ACTION is not displayed in the webchat.
[2015-08-18 16:57:17] lnovy : and maybe you could make the BitMEX_Chat forward webchat messages to channel as ctcp actions too, IMO it would look more natural.
[2015-08-18 19:54:54] j8 : DPE may need some tweaks. the loss on `XBTQ15` is quite high for only about 6.5% movement since friday
[2015-08-18 19:58:51] j8 : 6% actually comparing the mark price to the last rebalance price.
[2015-08-18 20:19:27] SnackyCoins : just bought the shit out of this
[2015-08-18 20:19:33] SnackyCoins : god i love this website
[2015-08-18 20:34:20] cengel : j8: thats going to be a bummer
[2015-08-18 20:36:33] BitMEX_Arthur : j8: The basis can also change as well
[2015-08-18 20:36:45] BitMEX_Arthur : Given the Gamma premium, the basis can be quite volatile
[2015-08-18 20:39:41] j8 : the point is, no one wants to trade markets that have a reputation of large socialized losses
[2015-08-18 20:40:20] j8 : it means that given the liquidity, the leverage is too high / maintenance margin too low
[2015-08-18 20:42:20] BitMEX_Arthur : There are still 3 trading days until settlement, plenty of time for a mean reversion
[2015-08-18 20:43:35] cengel : also room for it to fall more and worsen DPE
[2015-08-18 20:43:39] j8 : if it's 18% now, it's about as likely to go to 36% as 0%.
[2015-08-18 20:43:47] cengel : +1
[2015-08-18 20:43:59] cengel : but this is the rules of game we chose to play
[2015-08-18 20:44:04] cengel : not going to cry about it
[2015-08-18 20:44:16] BitMEX_Arthur : Agreed, XBU has gteed settlement and look at the difference in trading volume
[2015-08-18 20:45:02] j8 : with 18% tax, i don't want to open new positions, because my losses are 100% and my gains are only 82%
[2015-08-18 20:45:22] j8 : it's a downward liquidity spiral
[2015-08-18 20:45:35] cengel : it has been the most liquid contract that follows spot close enough
[2015-08-18 20:46:30] j8 : BitMEX_Arthur: can you clarify something. forced liquidations are limit orders placed at the liquidation price, or the bankruptcy price?
[2015-08-18 20:46:54] BitMEX_Arthur : They are placed between the liquidation and bankruptcy price, we have discretion
[2015-08-18 20:47:31] j8 : i see.
[2015-08-18 20:47:41] cengel : @Arthur what about adjusting withheld profit for the DPE to give a better picture of expected profit
[2015-08-18 20:47:56] cengel : in the margin breakdo
[2015-08-18 20:48:22] BitMEX_Arthur : Imo that will cause more confusion
[2015-08-18 20:51:30] cengel : since the order controls expanded the UI feels a bit cramped
[2015-08-18 20:52:11] BitMEX_Arthur : cengel: on which view?
[2015-08-18 20:52:36] cengel : advance
[2015-08-18 20:52:48] cengel : i was told it would never change if we llike it
[2015-08-18 20:53:17] BitMEX_Arthur : well we had to change things to fit new order types
[2015-08-18 20:53:36] BitMEX_Arthur : We are toying around with changing the way we display announcements
[2015-08-18 20:53:41] BitMEX_Arthur : that should free up some space
[2015-08-18 20:53:42] cengel : yea thats understandable of course. but it also make things a little cramped
[2015-08-18 20:54:40] cengel : maybe if the whole left panel can be hidden that would give enough spac
[2015-08-18 20:55:01] cengel : from what i can see it can be hidden up but not side
[2015-08-18 20:56:37] gustavo7 : i think the use of tabs is great
[2015-08-18 20:57:35] gustavo7 : what would be really great? cancelling your orders that you see in the book
[2015-08-18 20:58:31] BitMEX_Arthur : gustavo7: From where?
[2015-08-18 20:59:14] gustavo7 : "Orderbook", you see you entries, why not have a little X next to snipe them
[2015-08-18 21:00:07] BitMEX_Arthur : gustavo7: We are discussing making the cancel button bigger
[2015-08-18 21:00:57] cengel : gustavo, that is a good idea
[2015-08-18 21:01:47] BitMEX_Arthur : It might work better if we had a vertical order book for the advanced view
[2015-08-18 21:03:25] gustavo7 : basic layout should be easy, advanced should be speedy
[2015-08-18 21:05:22] miratrader : BitMEX_Arthur: withheld profit on the margin status view does not include unrealized PNL, does it?
[2015-08-18 21:08:59] miratrader : looks like it does, just want to confirm
[2015-08-18 21:09:13] j8 : i don't think so
[2015-08-18 21:10:04] j8 : oh maybe
[2015-08-18 21:10:59] BitMEX_Arthur : It does
[2015-08-18 21:11:07] BitMEX_Arthur : It's realised + unrealised
[2015-08-18 21:11:26] miratrader : ok, thanks
[2015-08-18 21:28:02] GAmma : Arthur - I know everybody and their brother's uncle has their own wish list. Here's my modest wish (lol):
[2015-08-18 21:28:50] GAmma : on the 'contract details' window we have Expiry, Liquidation Price, Profit Adj, Max leverage
[2015-08-18 21:29:26] GAmma : we might also add Contracts Outstanding & 24hr volume
[2015-08-18 21:30:22] GAmma : that is my only hangup here sometimes is thin volume, so those are figures I'd like to keep aware of ...
[2015-08-18 21:31:43] GAmma : esp. with XBT series I look across the several contracts for best opportunities ... contracts out/vol would factor into my decision making
[2015-08-18 21:31:59] BitMEX_Arthur : You have open interest
[2015-08-18 21:32:12] BitMEX_Arthur : What view are you talking about ?
[2015-08-18 21:32:22] GAmma : I use basic view
[2015-08-18 21:32:34] GAmma : I know can find it with 'full details'
[2015-08-18 21:32:47] BitMEX_Arthur : GAmma: I suggest you try the advanced view
[2015-08-18 21:34:30] GAmma : Ok I see, that works thks ...
[2015-08-18 21:39:44] GAmma : lol
[2015-08-18 21:40:50] GAmma : its refereshing to see a btc related site run so well
[2015-08-18 21:48:16] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks we appreciate the feedback
[2015-08-18 23:16:35] GAmma : so 'withheld profit' should always go to zero upon the friday settlement/rebalancing?
[2015-08-18 23:16:42] BitMEX_Arthur : correct
[2015-08-18 23:16:48] GAmma : ok
[2015-08-18 23:19:25] GAmma : XBTQ15 DPE is 20% now. Seems pretty big for only 4 trading days (since last Friday)
[2015-08-18 23:19:59] GAmma : you don't liquidate people for margin call?
[2015-08-18 23:20:16] BitMEX_Arthur : We do but they are limit orders not market orders.
[2015-08-18 23:20:49] GAmma : ok ... could be in trouble here, Im thinking btc could really crash due to forking debate/issues
[2015-08-18 23:20:59] BitMEX_Arthur : Also futures prices are made up of spot movement, plus a basis component
[2015-08-18 23:21:18] BitMEX_Arthur : And with `XBT` type contracts, there is significant basis due to the USD gamma
[2015-08-18 23:21:46] GAmma : I don't have XBT exposure this week ... I'm short other contracts ...
[2015-08-18 23:24:16] GAmma : XBTQ I mean ..
[2015-08-18 23:27:24] GAmma : love Sam's letters ... he called the btc 300 top, and then the Yuan devaluation...
[2015-08-18 23:28:24] GAmma : big crash here due to forking, wish I had shorted more earlier ...
[2015-08-18 23:31:44] GAmma : beautiful move ....
[2015-08-18 23:32:13] BitMEX_Arthur : Rolling over
[2015-08-18 23:33:41] GAmma : to layman's ears this forking issue sounds like an existential threat.
[2015-08-18 23:34:32] GAmma : eth/xbt higher solely on xbt collapse
[2015-08-18 23:36:50] GAmma : taking profits here, I'm definitely early, but maybe we get a re-entry pt
[2015-08-18 23:37:34] GAmma : wow
[2015-08-18 23:38:48] j8 : omg
[2015-08-18 23:39:41] Blargwaffle : Ah, tidy profit.
[2015-08-18 23:40:19] GAmma : XBTQ DPE at 45%
[2015-08-18 23:40:20] GAmma : lol
[2015-08-18 23:40:50] GAmma : XBTU the place to be
[2015-08-18 23:41:11] j8 : i just got margin called on `XBTU15` big time
[2015-08-18 23:41:31] j8 : managed to isolate it just in time
[2015-08-18 23:41:34] j8 : jesus.
[2015-08-18 23:41:42] GAmma : 12240 must be you .. sorry dude
[2015-08-18 23:42:19] j8 : maybe liek 6000
[2015-08-18 23:42:26] j8 : dunno i had bids too.
[2015-08-18 23:42:28] j8 : dont worry
[2015-08-18 23:42:33] j8 : i bought bvol
[2015-08-18 23:43:07] j8 : avg 2.18 mark price 12.33
[2015-08-18 23:43:50] TraderStefan : Wow, profit adjustment on XBTQ15 up to 41.9%
[2015-08-18 23:44:02] j8 : i dunno whats goin on right now
[2015-08-18 23:44:18] Swedishnut : goofy stuff everywhere
[2015-08-18 23:44:24] GAmma : forking is existentian issue for btc ... one interpretation
[2015-08-18 23:44:32] GAmma : existential
[2015-08-18 23:46:17] GAmma : wow
[2015-08-18 23:46:25] j8 : i can't believe i managed to isolate all my positions in time.
[2015-08-18 23:46:48] GAmma : short, and took profits at 252
[2015-08-18 23:46:56] j8 : longs blown, left with some decent shorts
[2015-08-18 23:47:41] j8 : oh my.
[2015-08-18 23:48:26] Blargwaffle : Lynch Hearn, grr!
[2015-08-18 23:50:21] Blargwaffle : ;P
[2015-08-18 23:50:56] TraderStefan : And they just had to switch off my internet connection today didn't they. Using 3G from phone now
[2015-08-18 23:52:16] BitMEX_Sam : Total insanity
[2015-08-18 23:52:30] null : @Bitmex: How quickly can you process withdrawal? Im trying to go long here but no liquidity, need to move to bitfinex asap
[2015-08-18 23:52:36] null : @BitMEX_Sam
[2015-08-18 23:52:43] BitMEX_Sam : @null Place one, I'll make sure it gets run
[2015-08-18 23:54:14] TraderStefan : I believe we have taken out the January lows on BitFinex
[2015-08-18 23:55:52] null : @BitMEX_Sam: done
[2015-08-18 23:56:23] Blargwaffle : This place needs options, coinut's crapped out on me.
[2015-08-18 23:58:12] BitMEX_Sam : null: I see it, need a minute to pass it around
[2015-08-18 23:58:52] GAmma : can we manage a decent bounce here?
[2015-08-18 23:59:13] null : BitMEX_Sam: thank you very much Sam
[2015-08-19 00:00:00] miratrader : oh wow, that was something on Bitfenix. I'm so glad I don't do any manual trading there.
[2015-08-19 00:02:22] TraderStefan : Okcoin.cn trading at 1465 CNY which equals $229 USD. I.e much higher than finex
[2015-08-19 00:04:01] BitMEX_Sam : We're seeing bad data from finex, orderbook doesn't match recent trades in UI
[2015-08-19 00:04:23] null : BitMEX_Sam: I'm trying to buy on finex, but no luck
[2015-08-19 00:04:31] Blargwaffle : Too late.
[2015-08-19 00:04:34] null : I think there was a cascading margin call or something
[2015-08-19 00:04:54] j8 : oh my
[2015-08-19 00:04:58] miratrader : no, the engine is broken
[2015-08-19 00:06:26] miratrader : our bots made 230% today according to finex but all trades are screwed up. Like our bot just sold at @244, I don't think it's possible
[2015-08-19 00:09:31] null : I stopped my lending bots, and the dramatic events have made 50% of swaps close, so I have cash to buy. But too late :S
[2015-08-19 00:10:36] miratrader : our bots were getting fills with $50 spreads within seconds
[2015-08-19 00:11:30] miratrader : like buy @173 sell @226 6 seconds apart
[2015-08-19 00:12:09] null : if this is bitfinex engine fail, maybe this is the end of them. Wish people came to mex
[2015-08-19 00:12:29] SnackyCoins : sam
[2015-08-19 00:12:32] SnackyCoins : help
[2015-08-19 00:12:37] SnackyCoins : how long do i have to deposit
[2015-08-19 00:13:28] SnackyCoins : im sending funds please dont liquidate
[2015-08-19 00:13:33] GAmma : so if I make money on the long side of XBTQ15 do I still take a haircut for DPE?
[2015-08-19 00:14:38] BitMEX_Wally : SnackyCoins: After 1 confirmation
[2015-08-19 00:14:55] SnackyCoins : yeah but this bullshit at finex is put me in margin call here
[2015-08-19 00:14:59] SnackyCoins : how long do i have until that acts
[2015-08-19 00:15:09] SnackyCoins : ive already requested the withdrawl from finex
[2015-08-19 00:15:21] SnackyCoins : actually suddenly im not in MC anymore
[2015-08-19 00:15:28] SnackyCoins : man this is nuts
[2015-08-19 00:16:26] GAmma : somebody sold 10134 XBTU15 contracts at 192
[2015-08-19 00:16:37] GAmma : that is a margin call I'm guessing
[2015-08-19 00:18:09] j8 : i would imagine
[2015-08-19 00:21:55] BitMEX_Wally : SnackyCoins: When we see pending deposits on the blockchain we halt liquidation for that user (at our discretion)
[2015-08-19 00:22:26] SnackyCoins : Thanks, I think i'm okay now, for future reference what is the time between notification and actual liquidation?
[2015-08-19 00:22:35] cengel : it looks like all the insanity is isolated to bitfinex
[2015-08-19 00:22:52] Blargwaffle : gox pox
[2015-08-19 00:23:39] cowtung : eth is life
[2015-08-19 00:30:38] SnackyCoins : Wally, it's flipped me into MC mode again, I have multiple deposits on the way
[2015-08-19 00:31:04] SnackyCoins : all from bfx though which i'm sure is getting slammed
[2015-08-19 00:31:23] SnackyCoins : fuck, just got liquidated some
[2015-08-19 00:31:33] SnackyCoins : I'd like to request BFX no longer be the index for this exchange also
[2015-08-19 00:31:56] SnackyCoins : .... lol @ wordfilter
[2015-08-19 00:32:58] SnackyCoins : ALL of my bfx funds are coming over here
[2015-08-19 00:33:24] BitMEX_Arthur : SnackyCoins: The formal switch has just been moved up due to today
[2015-08-19 00:33:56] SnackyCoins : who's the replacement?
[2015-08-19 00:35:12] BitMEX_Arthur : XBX Index on Tradeblock
[2015-08-19 00:35:24] cengel : for volatility too?
[2015-08-19 00:35:33] BitMEX_Arthur : yes any XBTUSD product
[2015-08-19 00:38:20] j8 : that will be interesting. do you know if theres historical data publicly available?
[2015-08-19 00:40:29] cengel : everyone ready for settlement Friday? *ducks*
[2015-08-19 00:41:08] BitMEX_Wally : j8: We have already started recording `.XBX` data so can make 7 days of history available
[2015-08-19 00:41:26] BitMEX_Wally : It is a weighted index of Coinbase, Bitstamp, OKCoin, Bitfinex, etc
[2015-08-19 00:42:08] j8 : yeah, it's somewhat complicated and the actual formula is proprietary, right?
[2015-08-19 00:42:19] j8 : the formula for the weights.
[2015-08-19 00:42:49] SnackyCoins : Forewarning for MC, not fully liqidating accounts... this is the most legit exchange in all BTC 8)
[2015-08-19 00:49:07] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Yes it is proprietary but they do give us the weights
[2015-08-19 00:51:50] cowtung : is finex on core or xt?
[2015-08-19 00:52:44] BitMEX_Wally : cowtung: They're the same thing until January
[2015-08-19 00:52:56] BitMEX_Wally : Not sure if they've publicly stated a position
[2015-08-19 00:54:40] SnackyCoins : BTCChina has stated they are staying on core
[2015-08-19 00:54:52] SnackyCoins : they also stated the "chinese mining community" is staying core as well
[2015-08-19 01:11:31] cengel : @j8 so i guess it chose the 32% instead of 0%
[2015-08-19 01:11:49] j8 : haha yeah...
[2015-08-19 01:12:12] j8 : arthur was being optimistic.
[2015-08-19 01:13:04] j8 : surprised to see `BVOL24H` with no adjustment
[2015-08-19 01:13:54] cengel : yea i hope ks' bot held out okay
[2015-08-19 01:14:30] j8 : yeah wonder if he ever got around to that killswitch...
[2015-08-19 01:14:54] cengel : BVOL24H was empty when i checked
[2015-08-19 01:15:02] cengel : 7D had asks though
[2015-08-19 01:15:09] cengel : and that's on 40% socl osses too
[2015-08-19 01:15:14] j8 : yeah i was furiously trying to free up margin to buy everything
[2015-08-19 01:15:30] j8 : meanwhile getting margin called elsewhere
[2015-08-19 01:15:53] cengel : i should have caught the margincalls sub200 but finex was scaring me
[2015-08-19 01:16:05] cengel : on XBTQ15 and U15
[2015-08-19 01:16:33] BitMEX_Arthur : We will probably drift lower but I am calling a double bottom
[2015-08-19 01:16:45] BitMEX_Arthur : and we go higher after some consolidation around $200
[2015-08-19 01:17:53] j8 : pgp from finex is talking on whaleclub right now.
[2015-08-19 01:19:10] miratrader : BitMEX_Arthur: for what it's worth our long-term prediction algo closed shorts on finex at ~190 and flat now, not re-shorting ATM. So I expect some consolidation in 190-210 range
[2015-08-19 01:20:54] miratrader : I would say another $15-20 drop likely but you have to be careful here
[2015-08-19 01:22:55] BitMEX_Arthur : yeah i agree
[2015-08-19 01:23:09] BitMEX_Arthur : but i don't think you will get another bite at 160
[2015-08-19 01:23:52] ssa3512 : did someone decide to market sell ~10000 btc or something?
[2015-08-19 01:24:21] miratrader : No, I don't think another huge drop is likely but personally I'm letting my shorts here on BitMEX ride a bit more. This is not a financial advise :-)
[2015-08-19 01:25:59] miratrader : ssa3512: big margin calls on finex plus matching engine problems causing wild swings
[2015-08-19 01:26:19] j8 : ssa3512: the biggest 1-minute candle of that drop was a little under 3000 btc
[2015-08-19 01:27:04] j8 : sounds like people's orders were going through mutliple times
[2015-08-19 01:27:14] ssa3512 : ouch
[2015-08-19 01:27:38] j8 : they kept clicking the button thinking it wasn't going through.
[2015-08-19 01:27:50] miratrader : It the same problem I was reporting on reddit: your orders go through right away but your position is not updated until 10-15 minutes later
[2015-08-19 01:28:14] ssa3512 : 24h USD swap change -6.1M
[2015-08-19 01:28:23] ssa3512 : somebody is hurting real bad
[2015-08-19 01:29:47] miratrader : it's one of the reasons we use our own position tracking in all our bots, you just can't believe what the exchanges are telling you
[2015-08-19 01:29:58] ssa3512 : I sold 2.4 BTC at 252.81 earlier today just for hedging purposes. feeling pretty good about that right now
[2015-08-19 01:33:44] j8 : yeah i had a hedged position, one side got wiped out.
[2015-08-19 01:39:54] wahwhowah : Why the big mismatch in prices for the Aug 21st contracts and the Aug 28?
[2015-08-19 01:46:30] j8 : just a big spread on `XBT7D`
[2015-08-19 02:34:47] muirtastic : wow some people made a killing today on futures contracts
[2015-08-19 02:36:59] GAmma : I started shorting about 24 hrs ago, just didn't go big enough or let it run long enough ...
[2015-08-19 02:39:39] cengel : @muirtastic yes and cant make a killing without leaving some dea
[2015-08-19 02:39:46] cengel : dead bodies
[2015-08-19 02:41:45] BitMEX_Arthur : BitMEX futures contracts are now available on TradingView
[2015-08-19 02:45:05] j8 : not showing up in the search for me.
[2015-08-19 02:46:28] j8 : maybe its mid rollout
[2015-08-19 02:49:52] BitMEX_Arthur : search "BitMEX" in the search box
[2015-08-19 02:50:02] BitMEX_Arthur : you will see all the contracts they support come up
[2015-08-19 02:53:40] j8 : aha they do now!
[2015-08-19 02:57:17] j8 : great.
[2015-08-19 03:01:32] muirtastic : GAmma: yes I shorted and covered way too early
[2015-08-19 03:02:59] muirtastic : I'm new to this site and this exchange but looks like it has potential...been looking for another one to use and I love the idea of the futures contracts.
[2015-08-19 03:03:28] BitMEX_Arthur : If you have any questions please let us know
[2015-08-19 03:08:47] muirtastic : Thanks will do
[2015-08-19 03:13:18] j8 : UI bug on advanced view: the open orders per contract shows the wrong count in the label.
[2015-08-19 03:14:12] j8 : i.e. `XBTQ15 Orders [8]`
[2015-08-19 03:14:29] j8 : but i have 8 orders total and none on `XBTQ15`
[2015-08-19 03:20:33] BitMEX_Arthur : Thanks will take a look at that
[2015-08-19 03:27:43] cengel : you guys could not ask for a better test of DPE than this
[2015-08-19 03:28:32] BitMEX_Wally : 25x leverage means a 4% move can cause a bankruptcy
[2015-08-19 03:29:00] BitMEX_Wally : Most contracts are down at least 10%
[2015-08-19 03:32:13] j8 : a dump with no retrace is the best test.
[2015-08-19 03:33:22] j8 : doesn't seem like much loss was added at all aside from the liquidations that were in before the dump.
[2015-08-19 03:33:46] STRML : j8: A fix for that is deploying now
[2015-08-19 03:33:50] STRML : Thanks for the notice
[2015-08-19 03:33:54] j8 : np
[2015-08-19 04:01:18] Swisswatcher : BitMEX_Wally: hi
[2015-08-19 04:01:28] Swisswatcher : I got a question
[2015-08-19 04:02:00] Swisswatcher : XBU24H
[2015-08-19 04:02:30] BitMEX_Wally : Swisswatcher: Hi, how can I help?
[2015-08-19 04:02:47] Swisswatcher : I bought XBU24H
[2015-08-19 04:02:58] Swisswatcher : what time do they expire?
[2015-08-19 04:03:14] Swisswatcher : and is there something that I can do against the expiration?
[2015-08-19 04:03:25] BitMEX_Wally : They expire every day at 12:00 GMT
[2015-08-19 04:03:36] BitMEX_Wally : SO that is in 8 hours time
[2015-08-19 04:04:01] Swisswatcher : so possible to roll them over automaticly?
[2015-08-19 04:04:12] BitMEX_Wally : Not at the moment, no
[2015-08-19 04:04:49] BitMEX_Wally : Have a look at `XBUQ15` if you want to hold longer
[2015-08-19 04:06:29] Swisswatcher : and where can I find them?
[2015-08-19 04:06:52] BitMEX_Wally : Click on `28 Aug 2015`
[2015-08-19 04:06:59] BitMEX_Wally : Or this link https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBUQ15
[2015-08-19 04:09:45] Swisswatcher : so I bought 1 XBUQ15
[2015-08-19 04:09:52] Swisswatcher : what is the value of it?
[2015-08-19 04:10:00] Swisswatcher : 100$?
[2015-08-19 04:11:57] null : Swisswatcher: https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBU
[2015-08-19 04:12:14] j8 : yes is the short answer.
[2015-08-19 04:12:47] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, it is always worth $100 in Bitcoin
[2015-08-19 04:13:11] krtek.net : Suggestions: - make `SYMBOLS` clickable (maybe later even with a configurable landing action in user options?) - open bitmex links in the same window - parse bitmex links and map the route back to a view title/name, display it as `SYMBOL` if relevant - make `SYMBOL1 subsccribe to ticker updates and live update them with the last price -
[2015-08-19 04:13:57] BitMEX_Wally : Good idea
[2015-08-19 04:14:41] krtek.net : And I'm not sure if you caught it from the log, I was suggesting some irc bot improvements.
[2015-08-19 04:30:23] j8 : would be interested to see what the tradeblock XBX index did today. best i can see from the 1 hour chart is the index was at 220.85 when bitfinex was at 194.52 and the rest were around 221
[2015-08-19 04:31:30] j8 : even though bitfinex had 2-3 times more volume than the rest combined.
[2015-08-19 04:37:17] btcedlo : btw is there a place i can see the open interest of the contract?
[2015-08-19 04:38:11] j8 : either click Full Details or switch to advanced view
[2015-08-19 05:17:54] genesis : hey
[2015-08-19 05:18:08] genesis : let's get some depth to these order books!
[2015-08-19 05:23:04] gustavo7 : i'd like to but i just woke up and my ta is WTF
[2015-08-19 05:25:17] gustavo7 : holy moly bitfinex
[2015-08-19 05:25:30] genesis : right
[2015-08-19 05:25:51] j8 : quite the day.
[2015-08-19 05:26:25] genesis : I haven't used bitmex before but am pretty impressed so far
[2015-08-19 05:26:54] j8 : there were some scary moments when the buy side on bitfinex was just empty.
[2015-08-19 05:27:14] genesis : at one point I saw something like 800 coins down to 100
[2015-08-19 05:27:43] cengel : yea thats what made me hesitate to scoop up the liquidation orders
[2015-08-19 05:28:04] cengel : on XBTQ15 there was a dcent block going for 190
[2015-08-19 05:28:18] genesis : I was trying to get a fill on 20x Okcoin
[2015-08-19 05:28:19] genesis : and got fucked
[2015-08-19 05:28:23] cengel : but the price was at 160 so i was not jumping to fill it
[2015-08-19 05:28:26] genesis : ie, bid way above market to try to ensure a fill, and never got filled..
[2015-08-19 05:28:44] genesis : haha 'gently caressed' nice
[2015-08-19 05:28:53] genesis : anyway, now I am here
[2015-08-19 05:28:59] genesis : goodbye okcoin
[2015-08-19 05:29:15] SnackyCoins : bitmex is best mex 8)
[2015-08-19 05:30:19] gustavo7 : god i just realized how lucky i was, sold my shorts at 244 (could be better) but removed the "long scalp catchers" at 240 (could be way worse)
[2015-08-19 05:35:55] lolcookie : yay i made btc on the drop but lost money overall
[2015-08-19 05:37:02] lolcookie : used to having my holdings in USD
[2015-08-19 05:37:26] lolcookie : need to remember to short more aggressively and long a little less
[2015-08-19 05:37:57] j8 : its true, if you want to be price neutral you need to hedge your holdings
[2015-08-19 05:38:55] lolcookie : you need a fair amount of btc as well so you dont get margin called if someone buys 10 coins
[2015-08-19 05:39:08] j8 : we have a big buyer on `XBTZ15`
[2015-08-19 05:39:37] lolcookie : they bought on XBTU15 asd well
[2015-08-19 05:40:06] lolcookie : 4k then 4k on z15
[2015-08-19 05:40:23] j8 : 35000 bid on
[2015-08-19 05:41:17] lolcookie : ah I see
[2015-08-19 05:41:24] lolcookie : thats interesting
[2015-08-19 05:41:54] lolcookie : maybe they think after the FUD is over btc will go up
[2015-08-19 05:42:44] lolcookie : that 220 low on 7d was crazy
[2015-08-19 05:43:00] genesis : what does 35,000 contracts equate to?
[2015-08-19 05:43:11] j8 : mmm 89.25 XBT
[2015-08-19 05:43:12] lolcookie : im hoping for a little more price action in that direction but wont mnd being wrong
[2015-08-19 05:43:27] TrevinHofmann : genesis: Click the order and it says in the order controls
[2015-08-19 05:43:40] genesis : got it, thanks TrevinHofmann
[2015-08-19 05:43:54] lolcookie : only need 5.6 coin of margin tho
[2015-08-19 05:44:03] TrevinHofmann : with 25x margin, though, yes.
[2015-08-19 05:44:13] lolcookie : id be impressed if the order was 10x that
[2015-08-19 05:44:50] lolcookie : its just a 1k bet, spend more at the casino on a bad night
[2015-08-19 05:45:49] j8 : you know what, this guy's right.
[2015-08-19 05:46:05] genesis : yup
[2015-08-19 05:46:06] genesis : haha
[2015-08-19 05:47:23] j8 : hmm thats odd.
[2015-08-19 05:48:22] j8 : i just got liquidated for 48 contracts right after placing the order
[2015-08-19 05:49:50] krtek.net : XBTZ15?
[2015-08-19 05:49:54] j8 : yeah
[2015-08-19 05:50:19] j8 : i was short 452, bought 500
[2015-08-19 05:50:32] j8 : but the extra 48 put me into liquidation apparently?
[2015-08-19 05:51:27] j8 : seems like it should have been a rejected order
[2015-08-19 05:54:52] lolcookie : wtf light coin got dumped to $3
[2015-08-19 05:55:21] lolcookie : I was expecting it since "sell the news" but what the hell halving isnt for 6 more days
[2015-08-19 05:55:59] lolcookie : also btc getting dumped to 160 holy shit
[2015-08-19 05:56:23] j8 : yeah, the ltc/btc ratio didn't dump that hard.
[2015-08-19 05:57:42] j8 : ltc 1 week futures on okcoin only went to 3.45, similar here
[2015-08-19 05:58:40] lolcookie : I expect ltc to get dumped on the 25th
[2015-08-19 05:58:53] lolcookie : it did hold up well though
[2015-08-19 05:59:55] genesis : I am torn on LTC halving
[2015-08-19 06:00:06] genesis : there will probably be news cycle around the event
[2015-08-19 06:00:19] genesis : but with BTC price being where it is, it's hard to imagine the ratios diverging higher at this point
[2015-08-19 06:01:17] lolcookie : I will place a small short on the 24th, but the market is actually insane/typicalbtc right now
[2015-08-19 06:01:33] lolcookie : so much FUD
[2015-08-19 06:01:45] lolcookie : someone is buying though
[2015-08-19 06:01:48] genesis : yeah, gavin sells his BTC for stocks in forbes article
[2015-08-19 06:01:51] genesis : and then pushes this XT
[2015-08-19 06:02:07] genesis : he probably did pretty well on that trade
[2015-08-19 06:02:53] lolcookie : I know its FUD, but swings like that are dangerous
[2015-08-19 06:03:23] genesis : right
[2015-08-19 06:03:28] genesis : a lot of people got margin called
[2015-08-19 06:03:30] gustavo7 : so because of the non-linearity holding longs in XBU is pretty stupid right?
[2015-08-19 06:03:41] genesis : I can't imagine the clusterfuck that the bitfinex engine had to handle
[2015-08-19 06:03:53] lolcookie : well there was massive lag
[2015-08-19 06:03:58] lolcookie : it was gox all over again
[2015-08-19 06:04:00] krtek.net : j8: if you would have bought only 452, thus closing your positing, would there be enough initial magin to open 48 at the same price?
[2015-08-19 06:04:43] j8 : surely there would be after the 452 was closed.
[2015-08-19 06:04:53] j8 : just the maintenance margin alone
[2015-08-19 06:05:04] lolcookie : gustavo7 btc gets fud every other day so this kind of shit is fairly normal and im pretty sure someone is buying bulk coins atm
[2015-08-19 06:05:17] krtek.net : I was just checking that you werent deeply in the call...
[2015-08-19 06:06:07] j8 : no not at all, although i had everything on isolate margin and not much margin outside of that
[2015-08-19 06:06:33] uiop : wait, remind me what leverage you get on BVOL* ?
[2015-08-19 06:06:38] j8 : 2x
[2015-08-19 06:06:55] uiop : thanks
[2015-08-19 06:06:56] j8 : it's more than enough.
[2015-08-19 06:07:25] j8 : although, the contracts are really big at this price.
[2015-08-19 06:08:55] krtek.net : definitelly a bug.
[2015-08-19 06:09:03] j8 : yeah, an edge case i think
[2015-08-19 06:10:00] krtek.net : as you switched the side, the isolated margin get lowered to 0, but your order is already paired.
[2015-08-19 06:11:03] krtek.net : maybe even to subzero was the isolated margin lowered :
[2015-08-19 06:11:25] krtek.net : Arthur: are you reading this?
[2015-08-19 06:12:29] uiop : finex finexed
[2015-08-19 06:12:47] uiop : http://i.imgur.com/RULMVzv.png
[2015-08-19 06:13:20] j8 : BitMEX_Arthur: ping
[2015-08-19 06:14:54] krtek.net : I assume that the isolated margin is updated on before your order executon. Calls and liquidations are asynchronous. I'm not used to it yet.
[2015-08-19 06:15:41] gustavo7 : well i can't go into position without ta, i'm just gonna hedge a bit
[2015-08-19 06:16:33] lolcookie : that is the smart thing to do
[2015-08-19 06:16:36] gorygreg : What is withheld profit???
[2015-08-19 06:22:04] j8 : your pnl is withheld until friday in case there's a profit adjustment (socialized loss)
[2015-08-19 06:23:06] cengel : 'in case' :)
[2015-08-19 06:23:07] j8 : or daily at expiry for the 24h contracts
[2015-08-19 06:23:09] krtek.net : XBX seems to be liquidity provided weighted not liquidty taken
[2015-08-19 06:23:19] j8 : it'll never happen right
[2015-08-19 06:27:20] lolcookie : someone want some 7d contracts I want to exit ;(
[2015-08-19 06:28:55] krtek.net : exit by providing the liquidity... win-win :)
[2015-08-19 06:29:12] lolcookie : ill probably wait til settlement
[2015-08-19 06:36:30] cengel : and every contract is desperate for liquidity right now
[2015-08-19 06:39:56] krtek.net : well my bot is practically owning the order book on both sides on "my" contract, there's nothing more I can do :)
[2015-08-19 06:42:14] j8 : i gotta wait for my withheld profit to clear. it's like 90% of my account right now
[2015-08-19 06:43:27] krtek.net : hehe, mine is attacking 50 % for 3 days of trading, not a bad result for the first try :)
[2015-08-19 06:44:15] cengel : same j8. im gonna lose about 40%
[2015-08-19 06:44:31] cengel : still less than my government takes from me of my profi
[2015-08-19 06:44:43] j8 : oh i'm not gonna lose much. it just can't be used for margin
[2015-08-19 06:46:22] j8 : all my gains are on `BVOL24H` with no socialized loss at the moment
[2015-08-19 06:52:51] cengel : ah so you took ks' bot for a ride
[2015-08-19 06:54:46] j8 : he really needs to put isolate margin on...
[2015-08-19 06:58:04] cengel : thats what i asked Sam before, how do you isolate margin automatically, and i forget what he sa
[2015-08-19 06:58:17] cengel : because you have to check the position after its opened, you cant set parameter upon order
[2015-08-19 06:59:52] j8 : yeah it's a position api call too, not associated with the order
[2015-08-19 07:01:06] cengel : yea programmatically it can be done but it's not unusual if he doesn't isol
[2015-08-19 07:01:34] cengel : he will wake soon and either be really happy or mad
[2015-08-19 07:03:27] j8 : i feel like he was talking about black swan events just the other day...
[2015-08-19 07:06:49] krtek.net : remark to self: review circuit breakers once again.
[2015-08-19 07:09:43] cengel : j8, you got those ontracts at 3.XX
[2015-08-19 07:09:44] cengel : ?
[2015-08-19 07:10:08] j8 : yeah.
[2015-08-19 07:10:09] cengel : by the time i checked orderbook it was empty
[2015-08-19 07:10:13] cengel : you mgot the last o
[2015-08-19 07:10:18] j8 : some at 2
[2015-08-19 07:10:20] j8 : something
[2015-08-19 07:10:28] cengel : sorry for the cutoff, firefox doesnt like the trollb
[2015-08-19 07:11:00] j8 : actually, 10 at 1.78 and 10 at 1.97
[2015-08-19 07:11:13] j8 : 5 at 3.39
[2015-08-19 07:14:21] j8 : actually managed to sell most of them in the 28's
[2015-08-19 07:14:29] j8 : last 6 on offer
[2015-08-19 07:14:31] lolcookie : good trade, i ignored bvol cos of liquidity
[2015-08-19 07:17:22] cengel : lol yea u just took a good number of coins off him! nice gunning j8
[2015-08-19 07:17:52] j8 : don't tell him it was me lol
[2015-08-19 07:18:05] cengel : maybe someone other than ks was playin
[2015-08-19 07:18:34] j8 : well there's pretty much always one mm with blocks of 10
[2015-08-19 07:18:45] j8 : that i dance around with a lot.
[2015-08-19 07:18:55] krtek.net : that trade is about 4 coins of withheld profit?
[2015-08-19 07:18:56] cengel : yea thats ks
[2015-08-19 07:19:32] j8 : lets see. 5.4 realised 1.36 unrealised
[2015-08-19 07:20:13] cengel : yea you cleaned up good.
[2015-08-19 07:20:15] Trade_master_3000 : can someone explain what bvol does
[2015-08-19 07:20:40] Trade_master_3000 : or know of a link to read
[2015-08-19 07:20:50] j8 : literally was getting margin called on longs at the same time but who cares
[2015-08-19 07:21:28] j8 : there is the series guide https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/BVOL
[2015-08-19 07:21:39] cengel : ah so it was a smart hedge
[2015-08-19 07:21:45] cengel : just like god intende
[2015-08-19 07:23:23] cengel : j8, i was focusing on the 7D, got socialized losses up the ass so its not ks
[2015-08-19 07:24:02] cengel : so picked up a few coins but will lose a chunk
[2015-08-19 07:24:27] j8 : oh i see. yeah i expect to lose a little bit when i buy bvol. the gains are occasional but so worth it.
[2015-08-19 07:27:20] j8 : who wants my last 7 contracts.
[2015-08-19 07:27:58] lolcookie : I would but i am also in PNL
[2015-08-19 07:32:59] joequant : Any theories about what happened this morning other than "that's just bitcoin"?
[2015-08-19 07:33:14] lolcookie : FUD
[2015-08-19 07:33:22] lolcookie : someone made $$
[2015-08-19 07:34:09] lolcookie : bitfinex is shit
[2015-08-19 07:34:29] cengel : bitcoin xt
[2015-08-19 07:37:33] j8 : an attack on longs
[2015-08-19 07:39:18] lolcookie : enabled by bitfines being shit
[2015-08-19 07:40:59] lolcookie : shorted a BVOL24H, will i be green in 4 hours?
[2015-08-19 07:41:12] cengel : whats the price u shorted?
[2015-08-19 07:41:13] j8 : at 26.7?
[2015-08-19 07:41:36] cengel : mathematically it cant settle below 26.75
[2015-08-19 07:41:49] lolcookie : FUCK
[2015-08-19 07:41:59] lolcookie : lol that word filter
[2015-08-19 07:42:08] j8 : lol
[2015-08-19 07:42:49] haxmb : fucking bitfinex
[2015-08-19 07:42:56] haxmb : lol
[2015-08-19 07:43:14] haxmb : i lost $3k on that dump
[2015-08-19 07:43:16] haxmb : ffs
[2015-08-19 07:43:30] lolcookie : lol
[2015-08-19 07:43:42] j8 : ok, now i gotta get rid of 8 contracts...
[2015-08-19 07:44:06] j8 : thanks lolcookie
[2015-08-19 07:44:19] lolcookie : haha
[2015-08-19 07:44:53] lolcookie : I was like, hmm is should settle just below 26.7
[2015-08-19 07:44:54] lolcookie : so wrong
[2015-08-19 07:45:17] lolcookie : why didnt i buy the 7d instead
[2015-08-19 07:48:32] lolcookie : take taht $1 hit
[2015-08-19 07:49:49] lolcookie : now i know how haxmb feels
[2015-08-19 08:04:16] azurelake : I have been liquidated but I didn't get noticed by email
[2015-08-19 08:39:07] haxmb : :(
[2015-08-19 09:03:34] azurelake : Why does liquidation on speculative contracts is not incremental?
[2015-08-19 09:12:05] cekseh : ^
[2015-08-19 11:16:47] krtek.net : this trollbox needs more legs! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/90/d1/1c/90d11c705f54d8c2969b7c5754d909a7.jpg
[2015-08-19 11:49:05] null : j8, wanna sell bvol at 21?
[2015-08-19 12:01:16] j8 : how bout now
[2015-08-19 12:05:29] null : no thank you
[2015-08-19 12:05:39] null : my mac crashed again
[2015-08-19 12:05:49] null : kudos for clearing the order book on buy side
[2015-08-19 12:06:25] j8 : i only got one, still half asleep
[2015-08-19 12:06:36] j8 : dunno why they didn't cancel?
[2015-08-19 12:07:14] null : maybe a glitch
[2015-08-19 12:07:18] null : I made 0 money on my shorts
[2015-08-19 12:07:25] null : probably lost a few dollars
[2015-08-19 12:07:47] null : sigh
[2015-08-19 12:08:27] j8 : dang
[2015-08-19 12:10:21] null : what about 7D, would you sell into 27?
[2015-08-19 12:11:10] j8 : lets see.
[2015-08-19 12:13:12] j8 : no
[2015-08-19 12:13:48] j8 : 27.5