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[2016-06-21 00:16:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 10 @ 709.37
[2016-06-21 00:16:27] Tetsuo : hi finex
[2016-06-21 00:16:30] migz : Rekt train
[2016-06-21 00:16:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 1300 @ 730.64
[2016-06-21 00:16:54] jung1 : nice
[2016-06-21 00:17:08] jung1 : will stay above 700?
[2016-06-21 00:17:50] rapidtrades : daed again
[2016-06-21 00:18:02] jung1 : haha
[2016-06-21 00:18:27] jung1 : so in 1h another $30 dump on finex
[2016-06-21 00:18:45] lockhedge : now it's probably the circuit breakers
[2016-06-21 00:19:21] rapidtrades : nope dead, cant' cancel orders
[2016-06-21 00:19:34] jung1 : haha
[2016-06-21 00:20:11] Tetsuo : finex did dump some fine brown eggs
[2016-06-21 00:20:33] jung1 : not end yet
[2016-06-21 00:21:50] aethlios : bought 150 btc finex 701, covered okcoin 735, nice finex!!!
[2016-06-21 00:23:10] luckynuke : lets take a look on some TA´s
[2016-06-21 00:23:15] Tetsuo : aethlios: what will you do if your BTC@ finex become finex, you know like goxcoins,btcbuilder...
[2016-06-21 00:23:21] rapidtrades : u haven't covered shit yet
[2016-06-21 00:24:14] BitMEX_Sam : Nice trade aethlios.
[2016-06-21 00:24:26] aethlios : Tetsuo: I use finex, bitmex, okcoin futures, polo. Trust the 4 biggest exchanges, so not all eggs in one basket. All exchanges have reasons to not trust them.
[2016-06-21 00:24:51] jung1 : aethlios: you trade by yourself or bot?
[2016-06-21 00:25:06] Moo : oops. got out of my long just in time, but put an order up at 725 and forgot about it :(
[2016-06-21 00:25:16] rapidtrades : aethlios: finex isnt' even on bro
[2016-06-21 00:25:22] aethlios : jung1: ALL manual, I am a finance-accounting person, no tech skills.
[2016-06-21 00:25:43] jung1 : 4820 on okc
[2016-06-21 00:25:48] 1QaZxSw2 : quite a time finex picked to move the datacenter
[2016-06-21 00:26:01] Tetsuo : nice rekts@okc
[2016-06-21 00:26:06] halloz : This is beautiful y'all
[2016-06-21 00:26:07] rapidtrades : finex are f morans
[2016-06-21 00:26:09] micmix : rapidtrades: finex was on for a few minutes, enough for bots to dump
[2016-06-21 00:26:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 707.64
[2016-06-21 00:26:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13950 @ 707.15
[2016-06-21 00:26:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 70100 @ 706.48 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-06-21 00:26:30] luckynuke : epic rekt
[2016-06-21 00:27:12] luckynuke : 4800 breache
[2016-06-21 00:27:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4000 @ 704.38
[2016-06-21 00:27:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11000 @ 704.44
[2016-06-21 00:27:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 13000 @ 705.42
[2016-06-21 00:27:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 14 @ 704.28
[2016-06-21 00:27:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 200 @ 74634.0
[2016-06-21 00:27:33] jung1 : 4777
[2016-06-21 00:27:40] mbaril : 4765
[2016-06-21 00:27:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 200 @ 725.60
[2016-06-21 00:27:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4 @ 702.14 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-21 00:27:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 150 @ 701.60
[2016-06-21 00:27:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 12000 @ 700.50
[2016-06-21 00:28:00] Moo : damnit
[2016-06-21 00:28:13] jung1 : rapid is dead
[2016-06-21 00:28:17] luckynuke : will be a funny night
[2016-06-21 00:28:18] jung1 : heartattack
[2016-06-21 00:28:21] Moo : I'm too dumb for this shit. lost 0.9 btc today
[2016-06-21 00:28:23] jung1 : his mom just call me
[2016-06-21 00:28:30] luckynuke : lol
[2016-06-21 00:28:39] luckynuke : r.i.p. bull
[2016-06-21 00:29:08] jung1 : people are really pissed of for finex
[2016-06-21 00:29:14] jung1 : they lose tons of money
[2016-06-21 00:29:19] micmix : grats on first trade below $700
[2016-06-21 00:29:22] luckynuke : road to 4700
[2016-06-21 00:29:32] jung1 : 4717
[2016-06-21 00:29:34] mbaril : 4711
[2016-06-21 00:29:37] mbaril : wth is happening
[2016-06-21 00:29:50] jung1 : normal market cycle
[2016-06-21 00:30:31] jung1 : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/HojzteBL-BTCC-Daily-EW-Count/ will be not suprised
[2016-06-21 00:31:14] jung1 : 4702
[2016-06-21 00:31:19] jung1 : and gone
[2016-06-21 00:31:36] mbaril : 4660
[2016-06-21 00:31:55] rapidtrades : no f update...they can not be srs
[2016-06-21 00:32:25] migz : eth walls crumbling at 1630
[2016-06-21 00:32:43] luckynuke : i think that was the resistance guys
[2016-06-21 00:33:08] 1QaZxSw2 : you guys trading eth? that is so june 19
[2016-06-21 00:33:19] 1QaZxSw2 : the cool kids are trading wavs
[2016-06-21 00:33:42] jung1 : so end? 4700 next support?
[2016-06-21 00:34:18] jung1 : nope
[2016-06-21 00:34:47] luckynuke : if 700$ breaks, 640 is the next support
[2016-06-21 00:35:05] jung1 : btc-e already 685
[2016-06-21 00:35:22] fes1974 : luckynuke: weve already been under 700. going up now carefully it seems
[2016-06-21 00:35:31] migz : 660 soon?
[2016-06-21 00:35:36] luckynuke : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/eetgPDVa-Correction-into-longer-term-triangle/
[2016-06-21 00:35:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 500 @ 703.77
[2016-06-21 00:36:14] zanza : RIP Bitfinex
[2016-06-21 00:36:35] asdfman : is there no updates from them?
[2016-06-21 00:36:35] rapidtrades : f off zanza
[2016-06-21 00:37:25] jung1 : lets wait for finex
[2016-06-21 00:37:28] jung1 : another dump
[2016-06-21 00:37:40] luckynuke : its over i think ^^
[2016-06-21 00:38:25] mbaril : bear trap ?
[2016-06-21 00:38:29] rapidtrades : post a f update u useless shit exchange
[2016-06-21 00:38:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBJ24H`: Buy 700 @ 73971.0
[2016-06-21 00:38:43] jung1 : ok I closed my short from 727
[2016-06-21 00:38:47] jung1 : thank you finex
[2016-06-21 00:39:35] asdfman : you think its over?
[2016-06-21 00:40:30] luckynuke : yes
[2016-06-21 00:40:36] jung1 : hard to say
[2016-06-21 00:40:41] luckynuke : possible supports here
[2016-06-21 00:40:43] luckynuke : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/9EIM67df-New-shortterm-3/
[2016-06-21 00:40:45] jung1 : depends on finex
[2016-06-21 00:40:51] zanza : BitMEX you are g oing to get a big influx of new customers
[2016-06-21 00:40:56] zanza : congrats
[2016-06-21 00:41:12] luckynuke : hope for bullish triangle :)
[2016-06-21 00:41:14] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-06-21 00:41:29] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: dont forget us
[2016-06-21 00:41:32] ch : how do I make money
[2016-06-21 00:41:40] BitMEX_Sam : Our uptime track record is fantastic, less than 5 minutes of downtime in the last 6mo including a DDoS two weeks ago
[2016-06-21 00:41:45] luckynuke : Pioneers !
[2016-06-21 00:41:46] jung1 : when you will be bitcoin goldman sachs
[2016-06-21 00:41:59] luckynuke : lol hopefully no
[2016-06-21 00:42:02] luckynuke : t
[2016-06-21 00:42:29] jung1 : seems like chine did not say final word
[2016-06-21 00:43:10] Tetsuo : now bitstamp going to break 700
[2016-06-21 00:43:13] 1QaZxSw2 : bitmex_sam, this is great your exchange is the few ones standing
[2016-06-21 00:43:28] fes1974 : BitMEX_Sam: please create a instrument connected to bitmex earnings, so we can trade the instrument and have dividends of it
[2016-06-21 00:44:08] luckynuke : pls create a connection to Fidor Bank :)
[2016-06-21 00:44:09] 1QaZxSw2 : fes1974: they have it, but the premium is very high, its equal to your profits
[2016-06-21 00:44:14] mbaril : 1.2 millions
[2016-06-21 00:44:17] mbaril : of wall :p
[2016-06-21 00:44:18] nickhnt : wtf
[2016-06-21 00:44:22] mbaril : like this morning
[2016-06-21 00:44:24] halloz : Hey look....a whale!
[2016-06-21 00:44:30] jung1 : already told it before. 20% of all earing from exchange fee will be on finexshares and payout every 12h if you have some in wallet
[2016-06-21 00:44:52] jung1 : like mcxfee on mcxnow exchange
[2016-06-21 00:45:08] mbaril : bear trap ?
[2016-06-21 00:45:18] luckynuke : all tehse fomo shorts
[2016-06-21 00:45:25] mbaril : see no more millions
[2016-06-21 00:45:35] mbaril : its a bot with a lof of funding that try to manipulate the price
[2016-06-21 00:46:22] Tetsuo : good luck trying to catch the bull traps, when china starts dumpin they won´t care about any TA rules at all anymore, it´s just straight dumpin
[2016-06-21 00:46:53] mbaril : why would china dump ? they make the price go up
[2016-06-21 00:46:55] zanza : true
[2016-06-21 00:47:07] Tetsuo : with leveraged to the moon money
[2016-06-21 00:47:41] Tetsuo : byebye 700@stamp
[2016-06-21 00:47:42] luckynuke : china is rolling back to 4700
[2016-06-21 00:47:42] jung1 : still falling
[2016-06-21 00:48:10] jung1 : but not touching it now
[2016-06-21 00:48:21] luckynuke : btw 4700cny are 714$
[2016-06-21 00:48:58] mbaril : luckynuke: ;)
[2016-06-21 00:49:24] Tetsuo : BTC slayer will show no mercy
[2016-06-21 00:49:39] mbaril : Tetsuo: nice fud ;)
[2016-06-21 00:50:22] Tetsuo : mbaril: more like one of the best LPs :-D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_No_Mercy
[2016-06-21 00:50:31] ayy_lmao : REKT
[2016-06-21 00:51:54] luckynuke : hm trading location 4716 to 4733cny
[2016-06-21 00:52:32] jung1 : Why does one exchange that's 3% of worldwide trading volume take us down nearly 10% when it shuts down?
[2016-06-21 00:52:35] Tetsuo : i´m gonna set me some buys @400
[2016-06-21 00:52:49] Tetsuo : 4000CNY i meant
[2016-06-21 00:53:01] 1QaZxSw2 : how many exchanges are down, only finex, right?
[2016-06-21 00:53:08] 1QaZxSw2 : damn, that datacenter move
[2016-06-21 00:53:19] jung1 : https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/745050019108032516
[2016-06-21 00:53:28] jung1 : Please bear with us
[2016-06-21 00:53:48] mbaril : ahahahah
[2016-06-21 00:54:14] jung1 : even if that was inside job
[2016-06-21 00:54:18] jung1 : noone will prove anything
[2016-06-21 00:54:38] rapidtrades : what a joke
[2016-06-21 00:54:54] Tetsuo : well it´s not coincidence , that´s for sure, it´s the third time or the fourth they are doing this during a hot market
[2016-06-21 00:55:12] rapidtrades : they're idiots that's why
[2016-06-21 00:55:44] mbaril : and the millions is back :p
[2016-06-21 00:55:55] mbaril : funny that ok is up now
[2016-06-21 00:56:08] jung1 : they are killing the goose that lays the golden egg
[2016-06-21 00:56:19] jung1 : what an order
[2016-06-21 00:56:22] jung1 : on bitmex
[2016-06-21 00:56:26] mbaril : getting eat slowly
[2016-06-21 00:56:27] mbaril : :p
[2016-06-21 00:56:27] jung1 : 100k
[2016-06-21 00:56:28] luckynuke : loool
[2016-06-21 00:56:48] rapidtrades : great that's that 2.6 mil guy
[2016-06-21 00:56:50] mbaril : cny is going up slowly
[2016-06-21 00:56:51] jung1 : someone is closing quite big short
[2016-06-21 00:56:54] Yumi : not often you can get discount on bitmex
[2016-06-21 00:56:57] rapidtrades : prolly inside job from finex or okc
[2016-06-21 00:57:21] jung1 : so party is over?
[2016-06-21 00:57:47] Tetsuo : how are those people holdin 40m in longs on finex feelin right now?
[2016-06-21 00:58:00] mbaril : :P
[2016-06-21 00:58:08] Tetsuo : like someone shit some fine eggs in their bed
[2016-06-21 00:58:14] luckynuke : who is that big dick with 1mio ?
[2016-06-21 00:58:16] mbaril : Tetsuo: do you at least check a little bit waht you are saying ?
[2016-06-21 00:58:25] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4owvj5/daily_discussion_monday_june_20_2016/
[2016-06-21 00:58:42] Tetsuo : mbaril: mostly not, but what´s the actual problem?
[2016-06-21 00:59:04] mbaril : Tetsuo: no probl just wondering if you were a total fud
[2016-06-21 00:59:24] Tetsuo : mbaril: no more than 65%
[2016-06-21 00:59:35] mbaril : seems legit ;)
[2016-06-21 00:59:53] jung1 : anyone go long now?
[2016-06-21 01:00:03] jung1 : or waiting till finex come back?
[2016-06-21 01:00:10] Yumi : *** buy the dip ***
[2016-06-21 01:00:22] Tetsuo : jung1: don´t, let it play out
[2016-06-21 01:00:29] luckynuke : 680 still possible
[2016-06-21 01:00:35] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-21 01:00:47] jung1 : I dont like to catch falling knofe
[2016-06-21 01:00:50] jung1 : knife
[2016-06-21 01:00:57] Yumi : nobody knows, you will see when finex opens
[2016-06-21 01:01:12] luckynuke : finex is open already O.o
[2016-06-21 01:01:27] luckynuke : oh sry
[2016-06-21 01:01:35] Tetsuo : no trades though
[2016-06-21 01:01:37] luckynuke : is not open
[2016-06-21 01:02:13] rapidtrades : another restart soon
[2016-06-21 01:02:27] jung1 : WebSocket connection issues. Attempting to reconnect in 30 seconds.
[2016-06-21 01:02:34] jung1 : when I go to finex page
[2016-06-21 01:02:34] rapidtrades : u/ethtothemoon guy is replying f*ck you to every post by zaneticket
[2016-06-21 01:03:28] asdfman : they should crash hard when back up
[2016-06-21 01:03:42] asdfman : everybody sell out? "safe USD" :P
[2016-06-21 01:04:11] luckynuke : look at the rates of usd loans on finex :D
[2016-06-21 01:04:22] asdfman : url?
[2016-06-21 01:04:33] Tetsuo : luckynuke: how much?
[2016-06-21 01:04:55] luckynuke : 0.7500 0.75%
[2016-06-21 01:05:04] rapidtrades : 0.74
[2016-06-21 01:05:05] Yumi : **dip buyers** getting rdy
[2016-06-21 01:05:28] Tetsuo : lol, longs even increased during that sell off, showing now 44mUSD
[2016-06-21 01:05:34] luckynuke : rapidtrades: 0.7506
[2016-06-21 01:05:46] asdfman : is updating now??
[2016-06-21 01:05:49] rapidtrades : luckynuke: f*ck you
[2016-06-21 01:05:50] asdfman : ot's
[2016-06-21 01:05:52] asdfman : it's
[2016-06-21 01:05:58] luckynuke : rapidtrades: love you 2
[2016-06-21 01:06:46] rapidtrades : POST A F UPDATE PPL HAVE LIVES U SHITHOLE
[2016-06-21 01:06:55] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-06-21 01:06:58] arbitrage001 : what's going on
[2016-06-21 01:06:59] Tetsuo : i guess it´s safe to say that we won´t attack 800$ this week again, lel. maybe a bulltrap to 750$ but highly doubt that too
[2016-06-21 01:07:01] rapidtrades : self-important cunts
[2016-06-21 01:07:07] asdfman : arbitrage001: finex down.
[2016-06-21 01:07:09] arbitrage001 : fat finger trade?
[2016-06-21 01:07:11] luckynuke : rapidtrades: lol you have some serious problems
[2016-06-21 01:07:22] rapidtrades : luckynuke: but am i wrong
[2016-06-21 01:07:26] 1QaZxSw2 : sorry guys, my fault. my order was so big i choked finex
[2016-06-21 01:07:28] fes1974 : arbitrage001: bitfinex serious problems
[2016-06-21 01:07:40] arbitrage001 : fes1974: in what way
[2016-06-21 01:08:11] fes1974 : https://twitter.com/bitfinex
[2016-06-21 01:08:15] Tetsuo : Finex Twitter; 2 min. ago. : "There is a serious issue with our server it seems like someone ore a group is attacking it, it will take 4-5 hours to get everything sorted out, in the meantime your funds are safe!"
[2016-06-21 01:08:17] rapidtrades : finex can't hanlde the vo
[2016-06-21 01:08:20] asdfman : https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/745006990213128192
[2016-06-21 01:08:49] arbitrage001 : after so long, they still have technical issue
[2016-06-21 01:09:10] rapidtrades : cos they're shit
[2016-06-21 01:09:12] asdfman : close short now?
[2016-06-21 01:09:21] mbaril : 4770 ok :)
[2016-06-21 01:09:23] asdfman : or more to come?
[2016-06-21 01:09:31] jung1 : hard to say
[2016-06-21 01:09:42] jung1 : could be small dump wht finex will back
[2016-06-21 01:09:42] fes1974 : arbitrage001: alot of ppl got rekt here and a couple epic rekted
[2016-06-21 01:09:50] jung1 : but we already hit another support line
[2016-06-21 01:09:56] arbitrage001 : fes1974: no dpe?
[2016-06-21 01:10:17] fes1974 : dpe what is that acronym of ?
[2016-06-21 01:10:32] Tetsuo : dpe=dum party enabled
[2016-06-21 01:10:37] Tetsuo : dum
[2016-06-21 01:10:40] Tetsuo : p
[2016-06-21 01:10:45] rapidtrades : DeepPEnetration
[2016-06-21 01:10:50] Yumi : dpe = socializing losses
[2016-06-21 01:12:03] asdfman : chart looks like it puked on 12h 6h 4h
[2016-06-21 01:12:28] jung1 : maybe finex wait when price will recover on other exchanges
[2016-06-21 01:12:36] jung1 : and then open trading to dump rest
[2016-06-21 01:12:50] asdfman : 4h on stamp with bband is like a bird with its tounge out
[2016-06-21 01:13:45] jung1 : where is that bitmex page with best revenue from positions?
[2016-06-21 01:13:48] jung1 : kind of ranking
[2016-06-21 01:14:05] Yumi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/leaderboard
[2016-06-21 01:15:11] jung1 : thanks
[2016-06-21 01:15:40] jung1 : 669.6831 XBT profit
[2016-06-21 01:15:41] jung1 : wtf
[2016-06-21 01:15:47] Tetsuo : 700$ seems to be a good support on finex, it just wom´t breal, lmao
[2016-06-21 01:16:17] Yumi : we can only guess really
[2016-06-21 01:16:37] jung1 : people are really pissed of for finex
[2016-06-21 01:17:37] ayy_lmao : tetsuo, ur joking right?
[2016-06-21 01:17:46] rapidtrades : We're experiencing networking issues within our new datacenter that we recently migrated to. We're working with hosting providers to fix it
[2016-06-21 01:17:58] ayy_lmao : lol u have to be
[2016-06-21 01:18:01] rapidtrades : sam got it right
[2016-06-21 01:18:20] rapidtrades : what useless morans man
[2016-06-21 01:18:38] rapidtrades : why would u do that right in the middle of a rally
[2016-06-21 01:18:39] boolander : pure clownage
[2016-06-21 01:18:41] rapidtrades : stupid cunts
[2016-06-21 01:18:46] Yumi : people on reddit like to give bitmex hard time for different reasons but its best technology wise platform I traded at
[2016-06-21 01:18:50] jung1 : couse of money
[2016-06-21 01:19:07] rapidtrades : they will lose a lot more money after this
[2016-06-21 01:19:37] jung1 : and atoher dip incomming?
[2016-06-21 01:19:53] rapidtrades : i don't even have a position there, just a bid and im pissed
[2016-06-21 01:20:14] aethlios : jung1: 665, start thinking where to go long. 665 or more greedy to 585???
[2016-06-21 01:20:15] Tetsuo : 4000 CNY will be the bottom within the next 10 days
[2016-06-21 01:20:32] billz : Tetsuo: chill lets try for 4500
[2016-06-21 01:20:36] rapidtrades : the best platform is by far mt4, btc-e and some others have it
[2016-06-21 01:20:42] billz : 4000 might end this
[2016-06-21 01:20:46] aethlios : We're experiencing networking issues within our new datacenter that we recently migrated to. We're working with hosting providers to fix it
[2016-06-21 01:20:48] Tetsuo : btc-e is king
[2016-06-21 01:20:52] luckynuke : china still fighting
[2016-06-21 01:21:00] rapidtrades : this web based shit is for kids
[2016-06-21 01:21:46] luckynuke : rapidtrades: you are shit
[2016-06-21 01:21:51] jung1 : aethlios: https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/HojzteBL-BTCC-Daily-EW-Count/
[2016-06-21 01:22:02] rapidtrades : k @luckynuke tnx
[2016-06-21 01:22:18] luckynuke : rapidtrades: you are welcome
[2016-06-21 01:23:09] billz : prices are all over the place right now
[2016-06-21 01:23:14] jung1 : imo there is still possible 30-50$ drop
[2016-06-21 01:23:19] jung1 : and then bullish
[2016-06-21 01:23:23] billz : 670 coinbase, 720 okcoin, bfx ded
[2016-06-21 01:23:24] jung1 : something like this https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/mnJpcZln-One-possible-scenario-for-BTC/
[2016-06-21 01:24:56] luckynuke : jung1: thats for bitfinex
[2016-06-21 01:25:07] jung1 : for bitcoin
[2016-06-21 01:25:12] aethlios : this trader is a big short fun.
[2016-06-21 01:25:12] jung1 : finex will dump
[2016-06-21 01:25:19] Tetsuo : "Quote from: GreekGeek on Today at 01:20:00 AM has anyone tried to withdraw from finex? i did like 3 hours ago. I had the withdrawal approved email 55 minutes ago. i havent received my bitcoin yet"
[2016-06-21 01:25:24] jung1 : and everything will be ok
[2016-06-21 01:25:25] luckynuke : jung1: yes, try to load the bars
[2016-06-21 01:25:44] jung1 : Tetsuo: they process withrawall manually
[2016-06-21 01:26:29] Tetsuo : jung1: you think they asleep right now :-D
[2016-06-21 01:26:55] jung1 : most likely they sniff coke
[2016-06-21 01:26:57] jung1 : now
[2016-06-21 01:27:05] Tetsuo : probably
[2016-06-21 01:27:21] arbitrage001 : traders on finex going to be pissed
[2016-06-21 01:27:29] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4p1yk6/bitfinex_outage_megathread/
[2016-06-21 01:27:32] aethlios : swap volume strong!! well done.
[2016-06-21 01:29:51] lockhedge : how are liquidations handled at finex? still market orders?
[2016-06-21 01:29:58] miramm1115 : lockhedge: yes
[2016-06-21 01:30:30] Tetsuo : lockhedge: i think so
[2016-06-21 01:31:13] Yumi : but liquidations dont trigger other liquidations, thats what they said, whatever that means
[2016-06-21 01:31:31] lockhedge : this might be their much bigger problem now after they got their system running. a lot of liquidations and a thin order book.
[2016-06-21 01:31:43] halloz : Gdax down 665 - jeebus
[2016-06-21 01:32:15] jung1 : huobi going down
[2016-06-21 01:32:34] Tetsuo : problem is, in 2-3 months all those monkeys will have forgotten about the issue and still trade on finex
[2016-06-21 01:32:53] Tetsuo : if they haven´t exit scammed until tha
[2016-06-21 01:33:40] jung1 : this is how free market works
[2016-06-21 01:33:56] jung1 : you can loose your money whenever you want
[2016-06-21 01:34:25] asdfman : lol
[2016-06-21 01:35:04] Tetsuo : coinbase@650
[2016-06-21 01:35:18] asdfman : techs on fin-ex pretty stressed by now I guess
[2016-06-21 01:36:05] Adura : If you can loose your money, how can you tighten it?
[2016-06-21 01:36:41] jung1 : https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort The margin longs and shorts have almost all closed off. From $33 mil to $200k?
[2016-06-21 01:36:49] Rado : Is Bitfinex down again?
[2016-06-21 01:37:07] Tetsuo : Rado: No, just fightin for 700
[2016-06-21 01:37:19] jung1 : Rado: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4p1yk6/bitfinex_outage_megathread/
[2016-06-21 01:37:25] Tetsuo : jung1: data is fucked up
[2016-06-21 01:37:38] jung1 : still stinky
[2016-06-21 01:37:51] asdfman : Tetsuo: best done with 0 volume
[2016-06-21 01:38:35] Rado : anyone know what happened?
[2016-06-21 01:39:04] luckynuke : Rado: just coffee+computer = error
[2016-06-21 01:40:28] asdfman : someone probably kickek the server giving the hdd a big jolt, leaving everything unavailable.
[2016-06-21 01:40:47] Tetsuo : luckynuke: elaborated | scammin by the finex owners, as it happened multiple times before
[2016-06-21 01:41:08] luckynuke : Tetsuo: no just coffee
[2016-06-21 01:41:57] jung1 : Currently a $61 spread between Huobi and GDAX.
[2016-06-21 01:43:01] luckynuke : with 10 bitcoin you could make a profit of 610$
[2016-06-21 01:43:25] Tetsuo : multiple people on bitcointalk and reddit are already claimin how this is actually good for BTC, LMAO
[2016-06-21 01:43:25] luckynuke : with 2 trades and 1 transaction
[2016-06-21 01:44:48] luckynuke : https://www.tradingview.com/x/9WCEEQMi/
[2016-06-21 01:44:52] asdfman : stamp gonna puke more?
[2016-06-21 01:44:54] jung1 : coinbase go back from 650 to 700
[2016-06-21 01:45:03] luckynuke : Mr. Brian Beamish guys
[2016-06-21 01:45:44] jung1 : bearstamp
[2016-06-21 01:46:43] zanza : that 30m red candle
[2016-06-21 01:46:49] jung1 : ah f this Im not touching it until finex will back
[2016-06-21 01:47:22] jung1 : good time to buy some alts
[2016-06-21 01:49:00] aethlios : where is the bear whale to short more???
[2016-06-21 01:49:34] luckynuke : aethlios: dead
[2016-06-21 01:49:47] luckynuke : aethlios: found him at the beach
[2016-06-21 01:50:25] aethlios : luckynuke: he is out there looking to eat some more long flesh.
[2016-06-21 01:50:47] luckynuke : aethlios: nooo
[2016-06-21 01:50:59] luckynuke : aethlios: i will kill him
[2016-06-21 01:51:22] jung1 : huobi dumping
[2016-06-21 01:51:34] jung1 : 4735
[2016-06-21 01:51:38] palmer1979 : anybody noticed that XBTUSD funding rates do not take the interest rate spread into account anymore?
[2016-06-21 01:51:45] aethlios : lisk eth dead, didn't move up much to btc dump.
[2016-06-21 01:52:26] jung1 : Im holding my lisk ico
[2016-06-21 01:52:32] jung1 : at least 6months
[2016-06-21 01:52:35] migz : expect a double btc bottom.
[2016-06-21 01:53:56] jung1 : im not shure
[2016-06-21 01:54:08] jung1 : The longer they wait and the more the other exchanges stabilise, the less panic selling when they go live again.
[2016-06-21 01:55:47] aethlios : jung1: place low 525 bids at finex to catch the market sellers when trading resumes
[2016-06-21 01:56:11] jung1 : im not trading on finex
[2016-06-21 01:56:17] bobo : gdax back to 693
[2016-06-21 01:57:02] palmer1979 : XBTUSD funding rates are not biased or centred on interest rate spread anymore
[2016-06-21 01:57:23] palmer1979 : what kind of product is it now? BitMEX premium arbitrage?
[2016-06-21 01:59:55] aethlios : palmer1979: https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-06-21 02:00:11] palmer1979 : yeah, that's what I was reading
[2016-06-21 02:00:28] aethlios : palmer1979: every 8 hours the premium or discount is used
[2016-06-21 02:01:12] aethlios : palmer1979: so finally swap price keeps close to spot and volume is larger
[2016-06-21 02:01:15] palmer1979 : the discount is only used when smaller than premium and when premium has the same sign
[2016-06-21 02:01:39] palmer1979 : i am saying that the discount is only used for funding rate calc in a few rare cases
[2016-06-21 02:02:19] aethlios : palmer1979: if there is a discount it is always used, if there is premium then the higher is used between prmium or bitfinex rates.
[2016-06-21 02:02:22] lockhedge : premium index/funding rate is currently flawed because of the Bitfinex outage (partly frozen index price) .
[2016-06-21 02:03:00] palmer1979 : the funding rate should be biased towards the discount rate
[2016-06-21 02:03:35] palmer1979 : sometimes its higher, sometimes lower because of premium
[2016-06-21 02:03:49] palmer1979 : but discount rate must always be in funding rate
[2016-06-21 02:04:10] palmer1979 : now it is not, tiny negative premium can cancel large positive discount
[2016-06-21 02:04:43] jung1 : Bitfinex: "We will monitor liquidations to ensure that they aren't just dumped on the market."
[2016-06-21 02:04:56] aethlios : negative Funding rate is extremely rare, btc must go 120 to happen.
[2016-06-21 02:05:09] palmer1979 : besides the point
[2016-06-21 02:05:21] asdfman : jung1: isnt that also manipulating?
[2016-06-21 02:05:30] jung1 : yes it is
[2016-06-21 02:05:41] asdfman : how can they even do that?
[2016-06-21 02:05:46] asdfman : like technically
[2016-06-21 02:05:54] asdfman : or financially.
[2016-06-21 02:05:54] bobo : lol
[2016-06-21 02:06:41] jung1 : they just post it on twitter
[2016-06-21 02:06:46] asdfman : "oh price under manys liq, but fuck that"
[2016-06-21 02:07:37] jung1 : but maybe becouse of that we will stay above 700
[2016-06-21 02:08:07] jung1 : if that just means they won't liquidate anyone until the orderbook fills back up?
[2016-06-21 02:08:09] palmer1979 : aethlios: a negative funding rate will happen whenever premium is negative, it is not going to be a rare situation.
[2016-06-21 02:08:14] asdfman : because they are pulling a chineese stock market refuse?
[2016-06-21 02:08:30] j8 : they have some freedom in how they execute liquidations, they always have
[2016-06-21 02:08:38] asdfman : yewh
[2016-06-21 02:09:10] j8 : of course they want to avoid a cascade
[2016-06-21 02:09:10] aethlios : palmer1979: as funding bitmex mean the difference usd bitfinex rates-bitfinex btc rates.
[2016-06-21 02:09:17] asdfman : would love to be a fly in both the CFOs office and the CTOs office now
[2016-06-21 02:09:37] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4owvj5/daily_discussion_monday_june_20_2016/d4hh8fo say what
[2016-06-21 02:09:38] arbitrage001 : any idea when finex trading resume?
[2016-06-21 02:09:45] hq03821 : Hey all, I'm just wondering whether there is an independent page for the latest announcement/notification. Any idea? :)
[2016-06-21 02:09:50] hq03821 : :)
[2016-06-21 02:09:58] asdfman : ooh like forall sites?
[2016-06-21 02:10:02] asdfman : that would be nicve
[2016-06-21 02:10:12] asdfman : all exchanges*
[2016-06-21 02:10:19] palmer1979 : aethlios: you still don't get what I mean. i am not worried about the interest rate spread. i am worried that the interest rate spread is almost never reflected in the funding rate
[2016-06-21 02:10:38] BitMEX_Wally : https://bitfinex.statuspage.io
[2016-06-21 02:10:42] stf28 : hq03821: https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/ ?
[2016-06-21 02:10:53] jung1 : arbitrage001: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4p1yk6/bitfinex_outage_megathread/
[2016-06-21 02:11:04] aethlios : palmer1979: yes practically until now the premium or discount is used.
[2016-06-21 02:12:38] palmer1979 : aethlios: and that will be the case in 95% of times, only premium or discount determine funding rate, so interest spread is irrelevant to funding
[2016-06-21 02:12:59] hq03821 : Right I mean a page like Bitfinex's one FOR Bitmex. But a page for all would be awesome! (nah I know it's impossible :p nvm)
[2016-06-21 02:13:04] asdfman : "We'll be monitoring liquidations so that they don't dump on any empty book. "
[2016-06-21 02:13:29] palmer1979 : aethlios: especially because tiny discount can cancel even large positive spread. it's a completely different product.
[2016-06-21 02:14:05] jung1 : finex is fucked
[2016-06-21 02:14:08] jung1 : and they know that
[2016-06-21 02:14:14] aethlios : palmer1979: true, also notice it has a cap of +-0.375% that it can change every 8 hours.
[2016-06-21 02:14:37] asdfman : how in the world are they gonna manage that
[2016-06-21 02:15:05] palmer1979 : aethlios: so far i was sure to earn on average the interest spread, no matter what premium or discount on BitMEX. Now I know shit.
[2016-06-21 02:15:55] jung1 : coinbase dumping again
[2016-06-21 02:15:57] arbitrage001 : palmer1979: rate is negative
[2016-06-21 02:16:01] jung1 : 687
[2016-06-21 02:16:06] arbitrage001 : and the next one is negative also
[2016-06-21 02:16:57] aethlios : palmer1979: Are you covered short?? in an uptrend there is always strong premium, also the rate is not daily but 8hourly. if premium was 1%, and stays 1% all 24 hours, then you receive 3%.
[2016-06-21 02:17:11] aethlios : palmer1979: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI history of premium
[2016-06-21 02:17:54] aethlios : palmer1979: a lot of premium previous days.
[2016-06-21 02:18:31] aethlios : palmer1979: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTBON8H this is the correct link
[2016-06-21 02:18:46] jung1 : 685 coinbase
[2016-06-21 02:19:28] jung1 : 84
[2016-06-21 02:21:34] asdfman : market might jump as people want btc not dollar for a quick exit of finex
[2016-06-21 02:21:41] palmer1979 : aethlios: i am going to think about this some more. i personally think the product has been fundamentally broken, but whatever
[2016-06-21 02:21:56] asdfman : my guess is 50/50 up/down xD
[2016-06-21 02:22:11] jung1 : asdfman: good that you are here on trollbox
[2016-06-21 02:23:25] jung1 : 82 on coinbase
[2016-06-21 02:23:27] asdfman : yeah, but its dragging out. promised myself i'd wait it out till they came back online, but overestimated their, level of preparedness or What ever
[2016-06-21 02:23:33] j8 : palmer1979: it was fundamentally broken before, it's a bit more functional now. rates are pretty unpredictable though
[2016-06-21 02:23:43] jung1 : asdfman: same
[2016-06-21 02:23:46] jung1 : but im short
[2016-06-21 02:23:47] jung1 : hehe
[2016-06-21 02:23:53] asdfman : me too :D
[2016-06-21 02:24:22] palmer1979 : j8: no, it was not broken, it was simply trading at a high premium, just like it is now trading at a discount
[2016-06-21 02:25:02] palmer1979 : j8: i think it's kaputt because they do not always use the interest rate spread in the funding rate
[2016-06-21 02:25:25] j8 : it was broken, as it wasn't able to clear liquidations while trading at a premium but being marked to spot
[2016-06-21 02:25:26] palmer1979 : j8: funding rate should be: premium/discount + interest spread
[2016-06-21 02:25:34] j8 : there was 32% DPE over 2 days
[2016-06-21 02:25:44] palmer1979 : j8: funding rate should be: premium + interest spread
[2016-06-21 02:26:06] palmer1979 : j8: right now product does not reflect interest spread anymore
[2016-06-21 02:26:25] j8 : either way, the interest has been small compared to the premium. wouldn't change much
[2016-06-21 02:26:56] j8 : it's meant to act as it's own sort of lending market
[2016-06-21 02:27:29] palmer1979 : j8: exactly, so funding rate should always be based on interest spread +/- premium
[2016-06-21 02:28:42] palmer1979 : j8: atm the product only really reflects premium, because their formula removes interest spread as a factor most of the time
[2016-06-21 02:28:49] asdfman : 5h offline. man poor techs
[2016-06-21 02:29:00] j8 : it pretty much is though. the premium is calculated relative to the current funding rate
[2016-06-21 02:29:08] rogue : have you heard about what happened to Bitfinex?
[2016-06-21 02:29:16] arbitrage001 : finex going down the tube
[2016-06-21 02:29:22] rogue : How come the ETH/BTC index is stable then?
[2016-06-21 02:29:30] palmer1979 : j8: no its not!! that is my point. it is mostly just ignored!!
[2016-06-21 02:29:31] arbitrage001 : when market move, traders cant get in or out
[2016-06-21 02:29:39] arbitrage001 : some people oging to be furious
[2016-06-21 02:29:45] jung1 : @rogue cous both, finex ant eth are broken
[2016-06-21 02:30:11] rogue : :)
[2016-06-21 02:30:20] BitMEX_Wally : ETHXBT is trading at a 5% discount
[2016-06-21 02:30:28] kingscrown : trade BTC ETH LTC with leverage and buy with CC guide http://fuk.io/where-to-day-trade-bitcoin-on-the-bull-run-leverage-futures-spot-trading/
[2016-06-21 02:30:48] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETHXBTPI
[2016-06-21 02:30:54] asdfman : stamp puking more :O
[2016-06-21 02:31:03] boolander : ETH is not broken. it's just stuck in a circular vortex of gently caressing itself.
[2016-06-21 02:31:15] rogue : another noobish question, how is the Mark Price calculated? It's lagging, doesn't seem to be a moving average.
[2016-06-21 02:31:18] jung1 : dao will be just top of iceberg
[2016-06-21 02:31:22] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: will you switch ETHXBT to new funding rules on Friday as planned?
[2016-06-21 02:31:28] jung1 : a lot of developement is needed
[2016-06-21 02:31:30] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Yes
[2016-06-21 02:31:34] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: ok, good
[2016-06-21 02:32:01] BitMEX_Wally : rogue: The mark price is based on the Kaiko index: www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-06-21 02:32:39] boolander : it's a good thing bitfinix is only 50% of that kaiko index
[2016-06-21 02:32:50] rogue : @BitMEX_Wally thanks!
[2016-06-21 02:33:53] palmer1979 : j8: i think they should just remove the interest spread from the funding rate. at least than it's clear to everyone.
[2016-06-21 02:34:11] j8 : i think that would make sense
[2016-06-21 02:35:28] asdfman : bit fin ex
[2016-06-21 02:36:06] asdfman : back to the dollar everybody. best currency there is. so good they will kill you for it
[2016-06-21 02:36:18] asdfman : muh debt
[2016-06-21 02:36:38] micmix : I can bet that 90% of traders here don't understand funding at all and have no idea how much they are paying to long when there is a premium.
[2016-06-21 02:36:43] asdfman : bring your legal names
[2016-06-21 02:36:58] jung1 : micmix: 95%
[2016-06-21 02:38:59] palmer1979 : jung1: but you do
[2016-06-21 02:39:18] j8 : i think the system needs some tweaks, i mean even a 0.1% premium is 0.3% daily or over 100% p.a., but that's a pretty small trading range
[2016-06-21 02:39:45] elmorte : Morning! What did I miss?
[2016-06-21 02:39:58] jung1 : elmorte: finex was down
[2016-06-21 02:40:01] asdfman : is
[2016-06-21 02:40:04] jung1 : and 50$ dump
[2016-06-21 02:40:05] keith : hi Wally/ Sam here?
[2016-06-21 02:40:08] jung1 : day as always
[2016-06-21 02:40:17] jung1 : palmer1979: more less
[2016-06-21 02:40:52] palmer1979 : j8: that part would be ok. only the part where BitMEX_Arthur told people in the blog that you could earn the interest rate spread using XBTUSD is not correct anymore
[2016-06-21 02:41:18] keith : BitMEX_Wally: Hi Wally
[2016-06-21 02:41:44] j8 : yes, well everyone was pretty angry about the contract terms changing suddenly @palmer1979
[2016-06-21 02:41:45] palmer1979 : https://blog.bitmex.com/weekend-arbitrage-warriors/
[2016-06-21 02:41:54] micmix : j8: yeah, it's too aggressive now. maybe switching back to daily funding would help but then funding rate adjustments are going to be slower
[2016-06-21 02:42:24] palmer1979 : micmix: i would be happy if they simply did (interest spread) + (premium)
[2016-06-21 02:43:04] palmer1979 : micmix: that way you penalize overshoot/undershoot but still are anchored to the promised interest rate spread
[2016-06-21 02:43:18] j8 : palmer1979: i imagine if you did that the premium would just be priced down by the interest spread.
[2016-06-21 02:43:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 695.73
[2016-06-21 02:43:59] 1QaZxSw2 : who the f___ is even longing here
[2016-06-21 02:44:49] palmer1979 : j8: what do you mean by priced down?
[2016-06-21 02:45:08] BitMEX_Arthur : Why is the rate too aggressive? If the swap is trading at a 1% premium surely that needs to be paid
[2016-06-21 02:45:12] BitMEX_Arthur : because there is no expiry date
[2016-06-21 02:45:16] j8 : if you add another 0.05% to the funding rate then you will probably lose 0.05% in the premium
[2016-06-21 02:45:28] jung1 : what a price drop