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[2016-06-18 00:31:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20000 @ 743.32 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-18 00:32:35] wurstgelee : excellent....
[2016-06-18 00:32:36] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-06-18 00:36:01] rapidtrades : what
[2016-06-18 00:36:33] wurstgelee : nothing, quick short
[2016-06-18 00:36:34] lockhedge : micmix: it might be inevitable that i have to do it at some point, but it's kind of an ideological thing that my bot never pulls quotes ;) (and i don't want an external source like finex to be able to have a kill switch for my bot here)
[2016-06-18 00:36:38] wurstgelee : already closed
[2016-06-18 00:37:06] micmix : lockhedge: you have to face the reality at some point :wink:
[2016-06-18 00:38:15] micmix : if pulling quotes is against your principles you can move the bids lower and leave asks in place
[2016-06-18 00:43:10] lockhedge : micmix: yes i guess that's the best solution
[2016-06-18 00:46:03] rapidtrades : lockhedge: thank u for ur liquidity
[2016-06-18 00:46:26] rapidtrades : been browsing a bit of r/etherium
[2016-06-18 00:46:50] rapidtrades : and oh boy....are they a bunch of whiners
[2016-06-18 00:47:44] rapidtrades : f millennials
[2016-06-18 00:48:40] rapidtrades : viraly buttlicker or whatever their leader is says this will be a 'one time thing'
[2016-06-18 00:49:03] rapidtrades : also get this....he was buying DAOs on the cheap this morning
[2016-06-18 00:49:28] rapidtrades : and is now proposing a fork
[2016-06-18 00:50:02] rapidtrades : conflict of interest? bro that's so last century...its 2016 maaaan
[2016-06-18 00:56:25] zanza : Apparently Bitcoin had to revert/hardfork 5 years ago
[2016-06-18 00:56:36] zanza : someone created like 1 billions coins or something
[2016-06-18 00:56:59] rapidtrades : so? not the same thing
[2016-06-18 00:58:39] lockhedge : with the hard fork proposal they say that The DAO is to big too fail
[2016-06-18 00:59:06] rapidtrades : they're all invested in it....even their ruski leader
[2016-06-18 00:59:07] lockhedge : tooo big to fail
[2016-06-18 00:59:50] rapidtrades : smone proposed a more elegant solution, bribing the hacker
[2016-06-18 01:00:48] rapidtrades : ofc it was downvoted cos they don't negotiate with terrorists
[2016-06-18 01:01:25] rapidtrades : f instant gratification millennials man
[2016-06-18 01:02:19] rapidtrades : this is the worst and most entitled generation ever
[2016-06-18 01:05:00] micmix : well I'm ready to buy 100k DAO tokens if they get to like 0.00001
[2016-06-18 01:07:19] rapidtrades : bitcoin rally ddoesn't look over
[2016-06-18 01:07:59] rapidtrades : it never went into parabolic mode
[2016-06-18 01:09:19] micmix : we would be much higher if not for okc limiting quarterly price
[2016-06-18 01:09:56] rapidtrades : f okc
[2016-06-18 01:10:35] rapidtrades : micmix: actually i was just thinking that could be why we never paraboliced....they capped the gains
[2016-06-18 01:11:15] rapidtrades : even on daily, there's no day over $100
[2016-06-18 01:12:05] rapidtrades : micmix: do u continue to mm there
[2016-06-18 01:14:41] micmix : rapidtrades: yes, okc btc/cny is my biggest market
[2016-06-18 01:14:53] micmix : I don't MM okc futures though
[2016-06-18 01:16:05] rapidtrades : micmix: cos they're a scam?
[2016-06-18 01:16:45] micmix : too much manipulation, fees, clawbacks etc. too much risk
[2016-06-18 01:17:32] micmix : like sleger would say, I'm doing something else on okc futures
[2016-06-18 01:18:10] rapidtrades : what
[2016-06-18 01:18:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5400 @ 737.25
[2016-06-18 01:18:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 80 @ 737.25
[2016-06-18 01:18:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3500 @ 736.61
[2016-06-18 01:19:07] micmix : rapidtrades: a bit of hedging and trend following algos
[2016-06-18 01:20:23] rapidtrades : nice
[2016-06-18 01:21:20] lockhedge : micmix: where are your chinese servers based? are you co-located at okc?
[2016-06-18 01:22:29] rapidtrades : micmix: do u pull data from futures for the trends or from spot?
[2016-06-18 01:23:19] micmix : lockhedge: Microsoft Azure in Hong Kong for okc usd, co-loc for okc cny
[2016-06-18 01:23:30] micmix : rapidtrades: spot
[2016-06-18 01:24:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 300 @ 733.94
[2016-06-18 01:24:07] REKT : :roller_coaster: :chart_with_downwards_trend: :japanese_goblin:
[2016-06-18 01:24:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 100 @ 733.84
[2016-06-18 01:24:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 733.27
[2016-06-18 01:24:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5 @ 732.69
[2016-06-18 01:24:34] Rado : this time we might break 700
[2016-06-18 01:24:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 2000 @ 728.61
[2016-06-18 01:24:41] Rado : or mayb ewishful thinking on my part
[2016-06-18 01:24:47] Rado : wishful
[2016-06-18 01:25:23] arbitrage001 : good morning
[2016-06-18 01:25:32] Rado : morning arbitrage001
[2016-06-18 01:25:34] arbitrage001 : what's up with price
[2016-06-18 01:25:43] micmix : arbitrage001: not up, down :wink:
[2016-06-18 01:25:49] Rado : selling off at the monet
[2016-06-18 01:25:53] arbitrage001 : what's down with the price
[2016-06-18 01:25:58] Rado : lol micmix
[2016-06-18 01:26:31] Rado : my ETH bot is short from 0..024
[2016-06-18 01:26:33] Rado : really nice
[2016-06-18 01:26:37] Rado : also long LSK
[2016-06-18 01:26:46] Rado : I just don't know what to do with BTC in here
[2016-06-18 01:27:11] Rado : usually this choppiness means short term top
[2016-06-18 01:27:22] arbitrage001 : is it?
[2016-06-18 01:27:30] Rado : no idea :-)
[2016-06-18 01:27:42] arbitrage001 : Have a friend not into crypto, think price will make new high
[2016-06-18 01:27:47] arbitrage001 : above 1200
[2016-06-18 01:27:57] Rado : that's also a sign of a top
[2016-06-18 01:28:11] Rado : it will go to 1200, but not this month
[2016-06-18 01:28:25] rapidtrades : u know what's NOT a sign of a top? ppl saying constantly we're at a top
[2016-06-18 01:28:35] Rado : lol
[2016-06-18 01:28:40] Rado : totally agree rapidtrades
[2016-06-18 01:28:44] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-18 01:28:57] Rado : but look at the majority
[2016-06-18 01:29:00] Rado : not people in here
[2016-06-18 01:29:11] arbitrage001 : right
[2016-06-18 01:29:14] arbitrage001 : look at funding rate
[2016-06-18 01:29:15] Rado : going for a quick dinner
[2016-06-18 01:29:21] Rado : will be back later
[2016-06-18 01:29:24] Rado : happy trading guys
[2016-06-18 01:29:25] arbitrage001 : people willing to pay this much to long
[2016-06-18 01:29:35] arbitrage001 : Rado: later,
[2016-06-18 01:31:06] lockhedge : micmix: co-location at okc china sounds exciting, your bot is practically living in the future ;)
[2016-06-18 01:32:11] micmix : lockhedge: plus it's using FIX so latency is really low
[2016-06-18 01:32:36] rapidtrades : f bots
[2016-06-18 01:32:58] micmix : rapidtrades: you hate them but can't live without them :wink:
[2016-06-18 01:33:11] rapidtrades : can sure try tho
[2016-06-18 01:33:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 40 @ 0.02019
[2016-06-18 01:34:22] arbitrage001 : interested in selling bot?
[2016-06-18 01:34:31] arbitrage001 : like to experiment something new
[2016-06-18 01:35:13] micmix : no, not selling my bots
[2016-06-18 01:35:41] rapidtrades : his bots are super special
[2016-06-18 01:35:51] arbitrage001 : micmix: your bot use python?
[2016-06-18 01:36:03] rapidtrades : no he's old school
[2016-06-18 01:36:08] arbitrage001 : C ?
[2016-06-18 01:36:10] arbitrage001 : lol
[2016-06-18 01:36:27] rapidtrades : yeah C++
[2016-06-18 01:36:30] arbitrage001 : old school is one thing, doing things efficiantly is another lol
[2016-06-18 01:36:41] arbitrage001 : efficiently
[2016-06-18 01:36:59] micmix : C#/F# and javascript for some exchange gateways
[2016-06-18 01:38:18] arbitrage001 : any tips for people want to get into bot
[2016-06-18 01:38:56] lockhedge : arbitrage001: i'm open sourcing my python mm bot. it's based on Sam's sample bot with inventory management, index price, funding etc. implemented
[2016-06-18 01:39:13] rapidtrades : where is it
[2016-06-18 01:39:21] arbitrage001 : lockhedge: have link? and document on how to deploy it?
[2016-06-18 01:39:29] micmix : check open source MM bot for BitMEX: https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2016-06-18 01:39:50] micmix : try it on testnet first to see how it trades
[2016-06-18 01:40:19] arbitrage001 : micmix: it doesnt have documentation on deployment
[2016-06-18 01:43:57] micmix : scroll down to Getting Started section
[2016-06-18 01:44:33] lockhedge : i can send you the code for my bot, but it's not documented at all. best way to start would be getting Sam's bot running on testnet first.
[2016-06-18 01:48:50] Rado : lockhedge: I would like that as well
[2016-06-18 01:50:35] micmix : nice, if ppl start running lockhedge bot I will have to study the source and write an algo to take money from it
[2016-06-18 01:50:48] Rado : he he
[2016-06-18 01:51:42] micmix : it's hard to do on bitmex though bc of taker fee
[2016-06-18 01:52:26] lockhedge : micmix: you have it in 10min
[2016-06-18 01:53:02] micmix : not worth it with only you quoting 1.5k
[2016-06-18 01:53:40] micmix : but I will take a look :wink:
[2016-06-18 01:54:56] lockhedge : yeah your feedback would be worth more than my wallet balance here ;)
[2016-06-18 02:02:13] ayy_lmao : get money get paid
[2016-06-18 02:09:42] Rado : lockhedge: rentchev@gmail.com :-)
[2016-06-18 02:09:51] lockhedge : that's the main process http://pastebin.com/FGwcsinT
[2016-06-18 02:10:14] Rado : thanks
[2016-06-18 02:10:23] lockhedge : libraries and helping processes not included
[2016-06-18 02:14:21] lockhedge : e.g. it gets data pushed from okc bitstamp and bitfinex via Redis using the BIX code but it already includes the code to calculate the index https://github.com/robotfinance/BIX
[2016-06-18 02:18:58] lockhedge : micmix: it still ignores the concept of volatility and instead measures price uncertainty based on the variance of prices of the exchanges
[2016-06-18 02:33:44] Rado : thanks lockhedge
[2016-06-18 02:33:49] Rado : will look at these
[2016-06-18 02:46:07] micmix : lockhedge: thanks, I'll take a look
[2016-06-18 02:51:52] lockhedge : micmix: don't forget that its strategy is based on Malkiel's blindfolded monkey before you judge ;)
[2016-06-18 02:53:09] micmix : well if you get enough monkeys they can write Hamlet :wink:
[2016-06-18 02:53:11] Rado : don't be afraid of judging lockhedge :-)
[2016-06-18 02:55:54] micmix : lockhedge: ok, so BIX is using orderbook data. I was sure it's using trades like all other indexes
[2016-06-18 02:58:44] micmix : I would suggest using orderbook feed instead of getting ask/bid from the ticker feed. ticker is delayed plus bitfinex has wrong data in the ticker from time to time. also you would want to get something similar to impact ask/bid here for like 5-10 btc instead of just top ask/bid.
[2016-06-18 02:59:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.01939 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-18 03:00:43] sizzurp : is now the time to buy
[2016-06-18 03:01:26] lockhedge : micmix: yes, that would be much better. i should actually use an impact price of the size i'm quote
[2016-06-18 03:04:16] Rado : sizzurp: buy what?
[2016-06-18 03:07:19] micmix : lockhedge: is position_premium your inventory control adjustment? your code is not the easiest to understand :smile:
[2016-06-18 03:08:21] micmix : no, it's something else
[2016-06-18 03:15:29] lockhedge : micmix: yes it's the premium (or discount) based on the bot's current position, it's based on the `fill premium` that gets higher when price uncertainty (based on variance/"premium" of the prices) is rising
[2016-06-18 03:16:29] micmix : ok, I see. what's `spread_factor`?
[2016-06-18 03:19:50] lockhedge : a spread factor of e.g. 1.25 means that the spread stays higher than fill_premium*1.25
[2016-06-18 03:42:36] elmorte : Morning fellas
[2016-06-18 03:43:25] elmorte : Is there a place dedicated to discussing bots and their strategies where one could read up?
[2016-06-18 03:45:41] dharmabum : ETH-DAO issue a big beat-up.
[2016-06-18 03:45:58] micmix : elmorte: check out discussions on https://tradewave.net/
[2016-06-18 03:48:15] micmix : though everyone who's trying to sell strategies should be treated with suspicion
[2016-06-18 03:48:19] dharmabum : disc.: bought ETH
[2016-06-18 03:51:55] elmorte : micmix: cheers. Yes I agree, and probably would not want to discuss them publicly, that's why I asked if there even is such a place
[2016-06-18 03:54:40] elmorte : Again no trades in the lead up to funding...
[2016-06-18 03:58:01] Rado : nice site micmix
[2016-06-18 03:59:33] Rado : there are some trades before the funding
[2016-06-18 03:59:35] Rado : buys
[2016-06-18 04:00:19] Rado : wow
[2016-06-18 04:00:37] Rado : I tried to buy, but when the refresh happened the price was $ higher
[2016-06-18 04:00:46] Rado : how are MMs doing this micmix?
[2016-06-18 04:01:00] Rado : 4$ higher
[2016-06-18 04:02:10] ayy_lmao : gotta love that funding pay
[2016-06-18 04:02:15] ayy_lmao : $
[2016-06-18 04:02:20] Rado : yep
[2016-06-18 04:02:51] Rado : it's working very well for people who shorted in the 770s, 760s and 750s
[2016-06-18 04:02:59] ayy_lmao : its nice
[2016-06-18 04:03:41] elmorte : Eh, poor guy that shorted at 731...
[2016-06-18 04:04:23] elmorte : 4 seconds too late
[2016-06-18 04:04:26] Rado : lol
[2016-06-18 04:04:28] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-06-18 04:06:11] elmorte : I was short for maybe 5 funding period. Just closed it, no idea what's coming up
[2016-06-18 04:06:48] Rado : looking at 2h chart we might be close to another leg up
[2016-06-18 04:07:06] Rado : nice going @elmorte
[2016-06-18 04:07:30] Rado : https://tradeblock.com/markets/bfnx/xbt-usd/2h/
[2016-06-18 04:07:40] odieoh : Who's ready to gamble!!
[2016-06-18 04:08:51] elmorte : odieoh: I'm guessing you are!
[2016-06-18 04:12:02] odieoh : Yaaaa!
[2016-06-18 04:12:54] odieoh : Ok, I'm not ready to gamble, my positions are set. They're just. . good positions for now.
[2016-06-18 04:13:58] odieoh : Why not elvivo? I should make a handle elvivo
[2016-06-18 04:29:59] elmorte : odieoh: I was a teenager at the time :)
[2016-06-18 04:30:46] elmorte : playing text based war MMOs
[2016-06-18 04:33:37] elmorte : So is funding already in the mark price? It says nothing in the doc.
[2016-06-18 04:35:18] micmix : elmorte: yes, it is
[2016-06-18 04:35:33] elmorte : micmix: pro-rated?
[2016-06-18 04:36:28] micmix : yes, funding premium is decaying for 8 hours and becomes 0 when the funding is paid
[2016-06-18 04:36:51] elmorte : micmix: Thanks for the confirmation
[2016-06-18 04:53:39] BitMEX_Wally : The fundingRate is annualised and use as the fairBasisRate: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-06-18 05:09:49] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: There isn't a single mention of funding rate in the doc
[2016-06-18 05:10:22] elmorte : It's probably legacy from pre-swap
[2016-06-18 05:16:54] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#position-marking
[2016-06-18 05:27:24] elmorte : There it is! Cheers :)
[2016-06-18 05:27:42] elmorte : Sorry, it's a bit of a maze navigating the docs
[2016-06-18 05:43:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 400 @ 0.01892
[2016-06-18 05:53:13] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: have to update the guide, it refers to daily funding and 24 hour intervals
[2016-06-18 06:06:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 13 @ 0.01877
[2016-06-18 06:08:07] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Good point, thanks
[2016-06-18 06:27:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 348 @ 0.01833
[2016-06-18 06:37:58] odieoh : elmorte; soy elvivo sinto muito
[2016-06-18 07:20:10] Mr Blue : Morning guys
[2016-06-18 07:22:15] Mr Blue : I got to set off to Bulgaria this afternoon, but going to take my tablet with me, hopefully be able to get some trading done on a pedal boat with a joint in one hand, BitMex in the other lol
[2016-06-18 07:23:42] 1QaZxSw2 : hey if i got 100 btc and want to hedge against a downside, how many contracts of swap should i short?
[2016-06-18 07:23:55] BitMEX_Wally : 100 Bitcoin worth
[2016-06-18 07:24:27] 1QaZxSw2 : so i when it says order value: 100 xbt?
[2016-06-18 07:24:31] micmix : 74711
[2016-06-18 07:24:46] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: erm use like 10 BTC on x10 or 5 BTC on x25 if feeling risky
[2016-06-18 07:24:46] 1QaZxSw2 : micmix: thanks
[2016-06-18 07:25:18] 1QaZxSw2 : right, i think i can do 5 btc 25x
[2016-06-18 07:26:09] micmix : 1QaZxSw2: just don't do it all at once
[2016-06-18 07:26:24] 1QaZxSw2 : its only 3700 contracts
[2016-06-18 07:26:30] 1QaZxSw2 : at 25x
[2016-06-18 07:26:48] BitMEX_Wally : Leverage does not change the value of the contracts
[2016-06-18 07:27:00] micmix : no, the order size should be 75k contracts
[2016-06-18 07:27:08] 1QaZxSw2 : oh, i see
[2016-06-18 07:27:17] 1QaZxSw2 : ya 74K is quite a bit
[2016-06-18 07:27:50] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: you want like $100,000 in contacts, will cost a little less maybe 4 BTC on x25
[2016-06-18 07:27:56] BitMEX_Wally : Place a limit order around 744 and I'm sure it will be eaten
[2016-06-18 07:28:40] 1QaZxSw2 : right, but i would enteron a fomo up of course
[2016-06-18 07:28:47] micmix : and use lower leverage or you'll get liquidated quickly
[2016-06-18 07:28:49] 1QaZxSw2 : probably near recent high
[2016-06-18 07:29:12] 1QaZxSw2 : micmix: i was thinking 5x maybe 10x
[2016-06-18 07:29:27] 1QaZxSw2 : if i have to go with 75k
[2016-06-18 07:29:30] micmix : 5x is pretty safe
[2016-06-18 07:29:52] micmix : but you might need to add more margin later
[2016-06-18 07:30:13] 1QaZxSw2 : my guess is all the ether money will move into btc, taking us to 850 or so
[2016-06-18 07:30:47] 1QaZxSw2 : and then you know know the drop.... this seems to easy, buy every dip. thats when it stops working and drops > 50%
[2016-06-18 07:31:10] 1QaZxSw2 : panic selling/panic buying
[2016-06-18 07:32:07] 1QaZxSw2 : btw, anyone got 50 million recently? i wont tell
[2016-06-18 07:33:34] 1QaZxSw2 : i think i should keep selling as we go up, there is no way i can sell 75k at the top, it will drop in seconds
[2016-06-18 07:35:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.01744
[2016-06-18 07:37:18] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: why not do x5 mate, then if it goes up $80 you won't get REKT, start shorting at times x5 then if goes up to 800 you can short more to higher your entry and then go x10 / x25 if you like
[2016-06-18 07:37:54] Mr Blue : Lol times x5, I meant just x5
[2016-06-18 07:39:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1500 @ 0.01705
[2016-06-18 07:44:11] ayy_lmao : y is eth/xbt calculator ROE% messed up
[2016-06-18 07:44:28] ayy_lmao : it show the correct profit loss bus % is whack
[2016-06-18 07:48:01] rapidtrades : weeeee sheter back at 17
[2016-06-18 07:52:02] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: you've convinced me to try shorting today, well not just you sell side is greater than buy on fiñex, so looks like we've peaked till block reward halving, I don't have bear balls like you though, I'll probably just short few k
[2016-06-18 07:53:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2 @ 0.01714 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-18 07:54:55] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: what you mean Fiaterium.
[2016-06-18 07:56:02] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: I won't be happy till it hits LTC price lol, but probably won't happen
[2016-06-18 08:00:44] rapidtrades : sure it can
[2016-06-18 08:09:10] NukeLaloosh : funding rate on eth projected to go to negative tomorrow
[2016-06-18 08:09:47] BTCDJS : I have invested in REP Augur. built on ethereum. This morning it just dawned on me. Im probably REKT
[2016-06-18 08:10:35] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: I think if they're not pushing a fix for 23 days, ETH still has another 10 days of down trend at least, or should do in a market where most the coins aren't held buy a few big players... but I've been surprised before, people kept chucking money in doge when was obviously going only one direction long term lol
[2016-06-18 08:11:25] NukeLaloosh : has any of this debacle hit mainstream news yet?
[2016-06-18 08:15:12] tscha : which debacle? code is law, the mistake was in the code so it was correct - everything working as intented
[2016-06-18 08:19:18] ayy_lmao : yah, fucked up situation there
[2016-06-18 08:19:27] ayy_lmao : DAO 'too big to fail"
[2016-06-18 08:19:30] ayy_lmao : bailout
[2016-06-18 08:19:33] NukeLaloosh : tscha: agreed. they left the proverbial keys to the safe under the doormat. the question is public perception and price effect in the very near term
[2016-06-18 08:20:19] Mr Blue : Damn guys somebody bash founded I'm not signed in to accounts, but they did a post 11 hours ago, saying Bitcoin an Eth both made gains, as if they didn't know Eth was dropping like a stone
[2016-06-18 08:20:29] Mr Blue : Coin desk
[2016-06-18 08:21:26] tscha : investors should have seen the bug in the DAO code before investing so their fault being n00b cod3rz - appropriate wealth distribution
[2016-06-18 08:21:34] tscha : re*distribution
[2016-06-18 08:22:23] BTCDJS : tscha: 90% of investors don't read code
[2016-06-18 08:22:42] Mr Blue : Zero hedge has reported on the ETH news, Forbes just reported on the Bitcoin lightning network, as for more mainstream news, I've not seen anything, but it's possible lol
[2016-06-18 08:22:44] BTCDJS : infant 99%
[2016-06-18 08:22:47] NukeLaloosh : nothing actually illegal about the exploit from what i've seen
[2016-06-18 08:23:07] BTCDJS : I don't ask to see the code for windows before I buy
[2016-06-18 08:23:13] tscha : I am being sarcastic...
[2016-06-18 08:23:58] BTCDJS : tscha: well you are not doing a very good job at it
[2016-06-18 08:24:01] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-06-18 08:25:13] ayy_lmao : lol that wont work it court of law
[2016-06-18 08:25:14] ayy_lmao : still an attack
[2016-06-18 08:28:14] rapidtrades : yeah i doubt that derfence is gonna fly :)
[2016-06-18 08:28:51] rapidtrades : still bribing the hacker would've been the best soultion imo...they could throw him a bone of 1-5 mil..cost will now be much greater
[2016-06-18 08:29:13] rapidtrades : he would've had to agree or have his coins burned with a soft fork
[2016-06-18 08:29:43] BTCDJS : that is what they are doing
[2016-06-18 08:29:49] BTCDJS : fork still voted on
[2016-06-18 08:30:04] BTCDJS : 49/51 % ATM
[2016-06-18 08:30:13] rapidtrades : soft one?
[2016-06-18 08:30:31] ayy_lmao : they are reverting the dao address back to before the hack if the hard fork goes through
[2016-06-18 08:31:08] ayy_lmao : soft fork blacklists attacked from spending funds afaik
[2016-06-18 08:31:09] BTCDJS : Not sure but I think any one. If people don't vote for the fork they will try to bribe the hacker
[2016-06-18 08:31:11] rapidtrades : yeah they chose the worst long-term soultion
[2016-06-18 08:31:44] ayy_lmao : its just a shitty situtation
[2016-06-18 08:31:57] ayy_lmao : cant win
[2016-06-18 08:31:59] rapidtrades : their leader buttlicker already chose a side, so I have little doubt that they will fork that shit
[2016-06-18 08:32:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 402 @ 0.01730
[2016-06-18 08:32:08] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: hacker will be voting on mass then lmao
[2016-06-18 08:33:13] BTCDJS : spoke to a couple of Augur devs this morning. They seem to think its inevitable
[2016-06-18 08:33:17] Mr Blue : Maybe they try set up a trap
[2016-06-18 08:33:18] rapidtrades : maybe this is why Satoshi stayed anonymous...so he wouldn't be pressured
[2016-06-18 08:33:33] ayy_lmao : satoshi is a little bitch
[2016-06-18 08:33:33] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: inevitable what
[2016-06-18 08:33:41] BTCDJS : soft fork
[2016-06-18 08:33:53] rapidtrades : what is augur tho lol
[2016-06-18 08:34:04] ayy_lmao : another smart contract
[2016-06-18 08:34:08] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-06-18 08:34:21] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: A market prediction platform built on ethereum
[2016-06-18 08:35:07] ayy_lmao : since when does the xbt contract has a bearish bias
[2016-06-18 08:35:08] ayy_lmao : lmao
[2016-06-18 08:35:11] BTCDJS : excuse me Decentralised Market Prediction Platform
[2016-06-18 08:35:33] BTCDJS : ayy_lmao: since most are short
[2016-06-18 08:35:42] ayy_lmao : rekt
[2016-06-18 08:35:55] BTCDJS : perfect for longs
[2016-06-18 08:36:24] ayy_lmao : still gotta pay funding but yeah
[2016-06-18 08:36:46] rapidtrades : discount almost covers it
[2016-06-18 08:37:57] rapidtrades : is china fomoing too or just us
[2016-06-18 08:38:12] ayy_lmao : yah they are
[2016-06-18 08:39:08] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-06-18 08:39:35] BTCDJS : some negative volume
[2016-06-18 08:40:16] rapidtrades : fee is $4.5 right now
[2016-06-18 08:42:17] BTCDJS : China broke past 5k. And now they're changing their minds. Not we no want to go above 5k. Turn back
[2016-06-18 08:55:00] BTCDJS : we have a double bottom. can we please just get this over with
[2016-06-18 08:57:33] BTCDJS : cup and handle on china chart
[2016-06-18 09:03:24] BTCDJS : china below 5k
[2016-06-18 09:15:31] BTCDJS : if this goes sideways anymore. its good buy bull run
[2016-06-18 09:15:41] BTCDJS : any more
[2016-06-18 09:15:59] BTCDJS : 4h chart
[2016-06-18 09:20:34] gaoMex : Would like to check - Funding rate is for 8 hrs or 24 hrs?
[2016-06-18 09:21:31] gaoMex : If rate is 1% and I swap $100, after 8 hrs, do I collect $1 or $0.33?
[2016-06-18 09:21:59] mjmj83 : 1
[2016-06-18 09:22:25] gaoMex : thanks, @mjmj83
[2016-06-18 09:22:40] mjmj83 : be aware of possible DPE
[2016-06-18 09:22:40] gaoMex : wow! then the funding rate is really really high
[2016-06-18 09:23:08] mjmj83 : Bitmex can take your profit
[2016-06-18 09:23:42] gaoMex : but not if i short, n the price is going up
[2016-06-18 09:24:10] gaoMex : if u know how the process works for earning the interest
[2016-06-18 09:24:22] mjmj83 : if price goes up, all good :)
[2016-06-18 09:24:26] mjmj83 : GL trading:)
[2016-06-18 09:25:07] gaoMex : last i know there's the insurance fund
[2016-06-18 09:25:16] gaoMex : that buffers against DFE
[2016-06-18 09:25:20] gaoMex : no more?
[2016-06-18 09:32:29] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund
[2016-06-18 09:32:53] BitMEX_Wally : Profit from maker rebate, or funding, are not subject to DPE
[2016-06-18 09:44:50] gaoMex : BitMEX_Wally: So can I confirm funding rate is on 8 hrs basis, not 24 hrs?
[2016-06-18 09:45:21] Mr Blue : Hmm I'm shorting, but starting to worry now as coinbase seems to be gearing up for some sort of move, resistance still looks heavy fiñex, but a $900 move out of nowhere wouldn't shock me.
[2016-06-18 09:50:29] Mr Blue : It's a catch 22, as fiñex is the main for volume, but does leverage, so who you going to believe really lol
[2016-06-18 09:59:11] BitMEX_Wally : gaoMex: Yes, XBTUSD funding is every 8 hours
[2016-06-18 09:59:40] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to move all swaps to 8 hour funding and 24 hour rebalance
[2016-06-18 10:00:15] gaoMex : Thanks Wally!
[2016-06-18 11:02:37] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/WhalePanda/status/744118586126499840
[2016-06-18 11:03:03] BTCDJS : ? @rapidtrades you'll love this
[2016-06-18 11:03:10] BTCDJS : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[2016-06-18 11:05:24] BTCDJS : Hacker claims the ETH he stole is lawfully his. And if they fork and take those funds away from him they are committing theft against him.
[2016-06-18 11:06:50] Bacon futures trader : Is there a way to see the fees you payed/received on opened/closed trades?
[2016-06-18 11:09:28] aethlios : Bacon futures trader: account> trade history, fee paid column. negative means you receive the rebate
[2016-06-18 11:11:46] Bacon futures trader : Thanks aethlios
[2016-06-18 11:18:50] Bacon futures trader : China need some followthrough here
[2016-06-18 11:28:32] Bacon futures trader : LOL
[2016-06-18 11:35:06] men : ttps://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oo1io/an_open_letter_from_the_hacker/
[2016-06-18 11:35:13] men : read this guys
[2016-06-18 11:36:40] men : a letter from the hacker who stole ethereum from dao address
[2016-06-18 11:38:05] messiaen8844 : big sell at the swap book? Are we beggining longs liquidation season?
[2016-06-18 11:38:27] rapidtrades : 2.6 mil big ones
[2016-06-18 11:38:38] messiaen8844 : 4M open longs
[2016-06-18 11:39:00] messiaen8844 : if this crypto drama affects BTC perception, people might get trapped
[2016-06-18 11:39:20] rapidtrades : that sell is over 50% open interest
[2016-06-18 11:39:21] messiaen8844 : whoops, not open longs, open contracts
[2016-06-18 11:39:26] rapidtrades : yeah dummy
[2016-06-18 11:39:37] messiaen8844 : typed wrong
[2016-06-18 11:39:54] messiaen8844 : but still, probably many big posittions here
[2016-06-18 11:40:16] messiaen8844 : someone doing 500k position for instance may get a hard time getting out
[2016-06-18 11:40:29] rapidtrades : its 2.6 mil sel right now
[2016-06-18 11:40:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 80 @ 0.01767
[2016-06-18 11:40:38] rapidtrades : are u blind
[2016-06-18 11:41:21] rapidtrades : that can't be a long tho....cos its over 50% right?
[2016-06-18 11:41:31] rapidtrades : it has to be new short
[2016-06-18 11:41:38] boolander : mmm..funding
[2016-06-18 11:41:53] rapidtrades : lol he's gone right after i said that
[2016-06-18 11:41:59] rapidtrades : BUSTED
[2016-06-18 11:42:52] messiaen8844 : could be somene testing the watters
[2016-06-18 11:43:07] messiaen8844 : seeing if there is buy interest below mark price
[2016-06-18 11:44:30] justinlooking : wonder how low he'll go
[2016-06-18 11:44:49] NukeLaloosh : could be a liquidation plus other orders
[2016-06-18 11:45:06] rapidtrades : its not a liq
[2016-06-18 11:45:14] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you read the link I posted for you?
[2016-06-18 11:45:22] rapidtrades : nope just woke up
[2016-06-18 11:45:48] BTCDJS : Scroll up
[2016-06-18 11:45:58] rapidtrades : after settlement
[2016-06-18 11:46:35] men : BTCDJS: where do you think eth is heading? i think it will go down to 3 $
[2016-06-18 11:46:48] rapidtrades : below ltc
[2016-06-18 11:47:06] BTCDJS : men: if that happens you are right
[2016-06-18 11:47:11] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-06-18 11:47:19] men : BTCDJS: ahahahha lol
[2016-06-18 11:47:23] BTCDJS : no idea mate
[2016-06-18 11:47:50] BTCDJS : It may surprise everyone
[2016-06-18 11:47:57] men : monero is rocketing up, nautilus coin +300 % o.O
[2016-06-18 11:48:14] men : BTCDJS: yeah it may surprise everyone :D
[2016-06-18 11:49:33] men : lol
[2016-06-18 11:52:17] Tedy : What is going on with the BTC trade, that sell wall is HUGH
[2016-06-18 11:52:53] Tedy : But all other markeds dont move atm, so jus tweird to take it in now
[2016-06-18 11:54:13] justinlooking : someone getting outbefore funding in 6 mins
[2016-06-18 11:54:38] justinlooking : *trying to get out
[2016-06-18 11:56:01] arbitrage001 : wow gee
[2016-06-18 11:56:01] Tedy : dumb it
[2016-06-18 11:56:07] arbitrage001 : what's going on
[2016-06-18 11:56:10] Tedy : get quike proffit and rebuy later then
[2016-06-18 11:56:14] arbitrage001 : 2.1M contracts
[2016-06-18 11:56:20] arbitrage001 : at discount
[2016-06-18 11:56:26] Tedy : it is so fake tho
[2016-06-18 11:56:34] arbitrage001 : dont think so
[2016-06-18 11:56:34] justinlooking : io fell 300k alreday
[2016-06-18 11:56:39] justinlooking : *OI
[2016-06-18 11:57:49] arbitrage001 : funding fee only 0.6%
[2016-06-18 11:57:54] Tedy : You would never want to buy at 745 atm so only reason for it being there is to drag price down
[2016-06-18 11:58:54] arbitrage001 : wil see what happen in a min
[2016-06-18 11:59:14] Tedy : wall gone
[2016-06-18 12:00:15] Tedy : this is so troll
[2016-06-18 12:00:36] arbitrage001 : still here
[2016-06-18 12:00:46] Tedy : Yeah 400k down tho
[2016-06-18 12:01:02] stf28 : 1e6 done
[2016-06-18 12:01:14] arbitrage001 : 1.3% discount
[2016-06-18 12:01:22] arbitrage001 : i would buy it all if i am whale
[2016-06-18 12:02:30] rapidtrades : god damit...right after i bump my ask to 742 this f*cker sells to 740
[2016-06-18 12:02:37] rapidtrades : god damit
[2016-06-18 12:02:41] rapidtrades : all to hell
[2016-06-18 12:02:42] rapidtrades : whore
[2016-06-18 12:02:44] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-06-18 12:02:45] Tedy : If really affraid to open now
[2016-06-18 12:02:55] rapidtrades : sry meant bid
[2016-06-18 12:03:37] rapidtrades : rememeber folks...there's now smone holding 2.6 mil big ones
[2016-06-18 12:03:44] rapidtrades : he can't close that at market
[2016-06-18 12:03:52] rapidtrades : so if have sharp movements, DPE
[2016-06-18 12:04:20] arbitrage001 : you assume he uses high leverage
[2016-06-18 12:04:29] arbitrage001 : people trading that size rarely do
[2016-06-18 12:04:31] rapidtrades : its 2.6 mil u dummy
[2016-06-18 12:04:43] rapidtrades : i don't assume anything
[2016-06-18 12:04:53] rapidtrades : i just explained why he'll do it...take it or leave it
[2016-06-18 12:04:57] Tedy : underlaying assets is +7, we are lower then the nomral price. Normally this would be great time to buy
[2016-06-18 12:05:53] rapidtrades : out of my swap short for now
[2016-06-18 12:06:08] justinlooking : start ur engines
[2016-06-18 12:06:52] rapidtrades : he's short so he'll DPE on a big rally
[2016-06-18 12:07:08] rapidtrades : careful longs, u have been warned
[2016-06-18 12:07:27] arbitrage001 : maybe he is long trying to close his position?
[2016-06-18 12:07:36] Bacon futures trader : China is buying
[2016-06-18 12:07:37] boolander : OI dropped, no?
[2016-06-18 12:07:58] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: nope like i said earlier he was over 50% open interest
[2016-06-18 12:10:09] justinlooking : i wish i had convenient way of charting OI...
[2016-06-18 12:14:08] arbitrage001 : looks like I need to close my position in 16hours
[2016-06-18 12:14:18] arbitrage001 : to avoid negative rate
[2016-06-18 12:15:03] arbitrage001 : time to move btc around
[2016-06-18 12:20:25] Tedy : we have really good volume atm
[2016-06-18 12:20:48] BTCDJS : Tedy: Praise The One
[2016-06-18 12:23:52] Tedy : BTCDJS: Guess it is you, you are the only one here troll enough to do somthing like this xD
[2016-06-18 12:24:24] BTCDJS : Tedy: ah hem
[2016-06-18 12:25:01] BTCDJS : im am one of the friendly trolls
[2016-06-18 12:25:15] Tedy : Ah good ;)
[2016-06-18 12:25:35] BTCDJS : Tedy: yo mama
[2016-06-18 12:30:17] Tedy : BTCDJS: Are you trading much ?
[2016-06-18 12:30:37] BTCDJS : well Im long BTC here
[2016-06-18 12:30:44] yerb : wtf happened to rebalance, when is it due?
[2016-06-18 12:31:09] BTCDJS : here as in Bitmex
[2016-06-18 12:31:11] jung1 : morning
[2016-06-18 12:33:08] elmorte : jung1: morning
[2016-06-18 12:33:21] arbitrage001 : yerb: happend 33 mins ago
[2016-06-18 12:33:40] jung1 : where are all MM on ethereum here
[2016-06-18 12:34:10] elmorte : jung1: quick question, what's to stop someone from buying cheap DAO and splitting it to ETH?
[2016-06-18 12:34:24] jung1 : trust
[2016-06-18 12:34:37] jung1 : no one know if dao will not change something
[2016-06-18 12:34:47] jung1 : and if you will get your eth
[2016-06-18 12:34:47] arbitrage001 : if the discount is too big, meaning it has 0 trust
[2016-06-18 12:35:00] yerb : than why were my withheld profits from yesterday not released?
[2016-06-18 12:35:08] jung1 : imo worth to buy some
[2016-06-18 12:35:27] arbitrage001 : yerb: what contract? long term one re balance every friday
[2016-06-18 12:35:51] yerb : oh, yeah.. ETH profits, sorry
[2016-06-18 12:36:16] arbitrage001 : yerb: next friday around this time then
[2016-06-18 12:36:28] yerb : yeah, thx
[2016-06-18 12:36:59] yerb : isnt there 50% release sooner?
[2016-06-18 12:38:14] arbitrage001 : yerb: that i do not know
[2016-06-18 12:38:26] arbitrage001 : since i dont touch crap coin
[2016-06-18 12:39:07] yerb : but here on bitmex you dont actually touch ETH you just speculate on a virtual asset with your BTC
[2016-06-18 12:39:24] yerb : bitmex has nothing to do with ETH
[2016-06-18 12:39:37] arbitrage001 : yerb: yup. but do it in a less risky way
[2016-06-18 12:40:17] jung1 : http://imgur.com/N7W6Xvf
[2016-06-18 12:40:24] yerb : since i missed ETH ICO i never owned any so i was just trading it here
[2016-06-18 12:41:39] yerb : BTC is the only true coin, maybe LTC but i have everything in BTC only
[2016-06-18 12:42:02] yerb : i dont eve go to fiat at all
[2016-06-18 12:42:43] rapidtrades : im making so much money on the swap its starting to mess with my btc exposure
[2016-06-18 12:43:20] rapidtrades : or i messed up my calc...that's another option
[2016-06-18 12:43:33] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: what strategy? long and hold?
[2016-06-18 12:43:46] yerb : guys i made Tradingview dark theme if anyone wants to try it out https://userstyles.org/styles/118025/tradingview-com-dark-theme
[2016-06-18 12:43:48] arbitrage001 : and paid sucker like me on funding?
[2016-06-18 12:43:51] jung1 : rapidtrades: if you dont feel comfortable with that coins you can send them here 3BMEX8wPEEwd13UFcUcHupHaEXYnpBpD3R
[2016-06-18 12:43:53] rapidtrades : if i was long, would my exposure change? @arbitrage001
[2016-06-18 12:43:55] aethlios : let's the eth swap premium how will move next week.
[2016-06-18 12:44:28] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: well, there is now discount on bitmex.
[2016-06-18 12:44:33] rapidtrades : eth will get crazy once they unlock the thing
[2016-06-18 12:44:36] arbitrage001 : even better time to go long
[2016-06-18 12:45:05] rapidtrades : u first buddy...not comfortable until i see that guy rekted
[2016-06-18 12:45:26] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: it could be a 1 to 1 hedge
[2016-06-18 12:45:55] aethlios : the new premium change keeps swap to spot and increased volume a lot, shorts are more confident to short the bull market and provide liquidity
[2016-06-18 12:45:57] rapidtrades : plz explain how a 1/1 hedge saves me from dpe
[2016-06-18 12:46:20] arbitrage001 : if it is a 1 to 1 position, he will never get margin call?
[2016-06-18 12:46:30] arbitrage001 : and hence no dpe from him
[2016-06-18 12:46:47] rapidtrades : sure buddy
[2016-06-18 12:46:55] j8 : wasn't it like 3000 btc though
[2016-06-18 12:47:14] rapidtrades : don't worry about it bro, arbitrage says he's 1/1
[2016-06-18 12:47:27] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: i am not saying dont worry
[2016-06-18 12:47:37] aethlios : sleep well the day before referendum.
[2016-06-18 12:47:37] arbitrage001 : i am saying you assume worst case scenario
[2016-06-18 12:47:49] rapidtrades : duh
[2016-06-18 12:48:25] rapidtrades : the worst case scenario defines ur risk
[2016-06-18 12:48:33] arbitrage001 : ok
[2016-06-18 12:48:40] arbitrage001 : then dont walk out the house?
[2016-06-18 12:48:47] j8 : i think they're not that smart because they didn't reprice after funding, and i doubt they have 3000 btc on bitmex or even 1/3 of that