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[2016-06-17 11:58:48] wurstgelee : Mr Blue: the percentage isnt that large if u consider gox
[2016-06-17 11:58:54] wurstgelee : see above
[2016-06-17 11:58:54] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-06-17 12:00:17] wurstgelee : rebalancing
[2016-06-17 12:00:21] wurstgelee : just happened :)
[2016-06-17 12:01:17] mjones : i love that. just put in a withdraw. get my money in a hour
[2016-06-17 12:01:38] ayy_lmao : shorts got paid right?
[2016-06-17 12:01:47] rapidtrades : ya
[2016-06-17 12:02:10] wurstgelee : mjones: funny enough there were withdrawals executed like 75 mins ago
[2016-06-17 12:02:28] wurstgelee : out of the line probably
[2016-06-17 12:02:38] Mr Blue : wurstgelee: hmm well I'd still rather be decentralised ? but wasn't my money lol
[2016-06-17 12:02:50] rapidtrades : eth is dead
[2016-06-17 12:02:58] Blargwaffle : Bitmex administration is centralized...!
[2016-06-17 12:03:01] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: its not
[2016-06-17 12:03:02] rapidtrades : it alwas was scammy, spammy pos
[2016-06-17 12:03:15] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: go back to fiat pleb
[2016-06-17 12:03:28] rapidtrades : get f*cked by the Bank of Vitally
[2016-06-17 12:03:32] Mr Blue : Blargwaffle: I know that lol most companies are
[2016-06-17 12:04:09] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: i know thats byond ur brain's computing capacity, but it is possible to say that eth is not dead while not touching it
[2016-06-17 12:04:22] rapidtrades : get F*cked wurst
[2016-06-17 12:04:36] wurstgelee : 1 shroted from 0.0288
[2016-06-17 12:04:39] wurstgelee : i am fine
[2016-06-17 12:04:45] wurstgelee : *shorted
[2016-06-17 12:05:31] wurstgelee : also eth is currently @ same price as 1 week ago
[2016-06-17 12:05:32] BTCDJS : who is short on BTC?
[2016-06-17 12:05:40] wurstgelee : evenafter what happened today
[2016-06-17 12:05:43] wurstgelee : thats far from dead
[2016-06-17 12:05:49] wurstgelee : BTCDJS: fuck no :)
[2016-06-17 12:06:44] arbitrage001 : BTCDJS: i am
[2016-06-17 12:06:57] BTCDJS : arbitrage001: swap?
[2016-06-17 12:07:01] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-06-17 12:07:10] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: ahahah rip bro
[2016-06-17 12:07:17] arbitrage001 : XBTUSD -81330
[2016-06-17 12:07:23] rapidtrades : ahahahahha
[2016-06-17 12:07:42] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: you think i am losing money?
[2016-06-17 12:07:55] rapidtrades : idk u seem pretty crazy bro
[2016-06-17 12:08:08] wurstgelee : arbitrage001: you are either dumb o have balls of steel. i will decide based upon the outcome of your short :)
[2016-06-17 12:08:27] arbitrage001 : wurstgelee: the swap is synthetic USD
[2016-06-17 12:08:45] rapidtrades : then ur not short ya dummy
[2016-06-17 12:08:45] arbitrage001 : j8 probably know what i am doing
[2016-06-17 12:08:57] wurstgelee : usdt @ polo?
[2016-06-17 12:09:01] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-17 12:09:06] rapidtrades : if ur not net long, keep quiet @arbitrage001
[2016-06-17 12:09:11] j8 : basking in 2-3% daily interest? @arbitrage001
[2016-06-17 12:09:29] arbitrage001 : i suspect j8 is cutting off most of his position to short the swap also
[2016-06-17 12:09:38] arbitrage001 : j8: exactly
[2016-06-17 12:10:00] j8 : i am winding down all my positions.
[2016-06-17 12:10:10] arbitrage001 : no point risking money in a volatile market when you can get 2-3% a day
[2016-06-17 12:10:14] wurstgelee : i did. out of everything
[2016-06-17 12:10:38] wurstgelee : eth dump & btc dump was enough action for one day
[2016-06-17 12:10:42] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: there's still risk in that bro....u'll see once the inevitable crash comes
[2016-06-17 12:10:44] wurstgelee : time to relax ;)
[2016-06-17 12:11:13] j8 : arbitrage001: long june, short swap was an amazing trade. doesn't come around often
[2016-06-17 12:11:14] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: when crash come, there will be another strategy to make money on the discount
[2016-06-17 12:11:16] wurstgelee : unless market forces me to fomo in ofc
[2016-06-17 12:11:40] arbitrage001 : j8: yes.
[2016-06-17 12:12:03] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: point is you'll lose a lot of what u think is risk free return
[2016-06-17 12:12:29] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: dpe only works take cut from positive profit
[2016-06-17 12:12:36] arbitrage001 : and
[2016-06-17 12:12:41] arbitrage001 : when profit is rediculus high
[2016-06-17 12:12:46] arbitrage001 : ridiculus
[2016-06-17 12:12:51] arbitrage001 : the risk is worth taking
[2016-06-17 12:13:00] rapidtrades : right and if we crash now, you're gonna be liable for each $1 down
[2016-06-17 12:13:42] arbitrage001 : there are way to mitigate risk
[2016-06-17 12:13:52] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-06-17 12:14:05] arbitrage001 : if you are too risk averse, why are you here?
[2016-06-17 12:14:23] rapidtrades : i still take arbs like u, just much smaller
[2016-06-17 12:14:41] rapidtrades : certainly not putting my entire stash for 2-3%
[2016-06-17 12:14:59] arbitrage001 : i didnt put my entire stash here lol
[2016-06-17 12:15:16] arbitrage001 : still trying to figure out to cheaply move money out of the country
[2016-06-17 12:16:03] rapidtrades : u said ur hedged so ur entire stash is that risk
[2016-06-17 12:16:48] arbitrage001 : hedge as in immune to price flucuation
[2016-06-17 12:16:58] arbitrage001 : and having fund over multiple exchanges
[2016-06-17 12:17:04] rapidtrades : i know what it means buddy
[2016-06-17 12:17:17] rapidtrades : point is ur get DPE-ed on the entire short
[2016-06-17 12:17:20] rapidtrades : the whole 80k
[2016-06-17 12:17:45] arbitrage001 : only the price differece during the crash
[2016-06-17 12:17:52] arbitrage001 : should there be dpe
[2016-06-17 12:17:54] Yumi : I hope Sam fixes chat colours soon
[2016-06-17 12:18:31] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: like i said its not a bad strategy but calling it risk free is not accurate
[2016-06-17 12:18:41] arbitrage001 : i didnt call it risk free
[2016-06-17 12:19:02] vbmithr : How could the latest ETH transaction be 0.02495 ?
[2016-06-17 12:19:03] vbmithr : Hidden?
[2016-06-17 12:19:14] migz : cllolsed a short mabe?
[2016-06-17 12:19:17] arbitrage001 : bitmex 100x leverage alone let traders know this is a gambling platform
[2016-06-17 12:19:17] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: no point risking money in a volatile market when you can get 2-3% a day
[2016-06-17 12:19:35] migz : someone got rektd big time, then bitmex admin must recover loses. lol
[2016-06-17 12:19:45] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: ok, i may have words it wrongly
[2016-06-17 12:19:51] rapidtrades : fair enough
[2016-06-17 12:19:56] vbmithr : Then why the order book did not get lifted?
[2016-06-17 12:20:11] BTCDJS : bigly
[2016-06-17 12:23:12] MrRGnome : wtf? my position was charged for funding even though it was created after funding? Is that how it's supposed to work?
[2016-06-17 12:24:24] ayy_lmao : yes
[2016-06-17 12:25:41] BTCDJS : wat? why does it work like that?
[2016-06-17 12:27:05] jung1 : hello
[2016-06-17 12:27:10] jung1 : what happened to eth?
[2016-06-17 12:27:19] BTCDJS : jung1: DAO got hacked
[2016-06-17 12:27:52] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDao/comments/4oi9pr/15727_m_left_after_attack_slack_is_panicking/
[2016-06-17 12:27:55] jung1 : holy shit
[2016-06-17 12:28:04] wurstgelee : so it will be winded down it seems
[2016-06-17 12:28:15] wurstgelee : dao is down, will be converted into withdraw only-contract
[2016-06-17 12:28:19] wurstgelee : *done
[2016-06-17 12:28:31] BTCDJS : jung1: But its sort of fixed in a damaging way. Because of the solution
[2016-06-17 12:29:16] jung1 : I would love to short dao
[2016-06-17 12:29:23] wurstgelee : taking the "de" auf of "decentralized" - $ETH
[2016-06-17 12:29:24] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-17 12:29:29] wurstgelee : jung, that is over
[2016-06-17 12:29:39] wurstgelee : dao went to .000008
[2016-06-17 12:29:43] wurstgelee : back to 19
[2016-06-17 12:29:50] jung1 : all in lisk
[2016-06-17 12:29:56] wurstgelee : .00008 ofc
[2016-06-17 12:30:00] wurstgelee : yeah, maybe
[2016-06-17 12:30:03] wurstgelee : lisk below 60k
[2016-06-17 12:30:12] wurstgelee : 56 currently
[2016-06-17 12:30:24] jung1 : still x3 ico price
[2016-06-17 12:30:35] wurstgelee : yep
[2016-06-17 12:30:42] wurstgelee : lol, i just checked lsk market here....
[2016-06-17 12:30:46] jung1 : so biggest crowdfunding project in history is fucked
[2016-06-17 12:30:50] wurstgelee : guess i wont be trading lisk here
[2016-06-17 12:30:50] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-06-17 12:31:10] wurstgelee : jung1: yes. but without any losses. for the price of forking the network to prevent those losses
[2016-06-17 12:34:09] MrRGnome : I think it's very funny that eth is hard forking to revoke coins from an address. How this does not cause a dip even is beyond me
[2016-06-17 12:34:59] MrRGnome : looks like a lot of people in the eth community aren't happy with the aggressive solution either. https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oiqj7/critical_update_re_dao_vulnerability/
[2016-06-17 12:35:25] jung1 : im not touching eth now
[2016-06-17 12:35:34] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-06-17 12:35:38] wurstgelee : fomo long btc tho
[2016-06-17 12:35:39] wurstgelee : just now
[2016-06-17 12:35:39] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-06-17 12:40:29] jung1 : eth will hiw 20 today
[2016-06-17 12:40:33] jung1 : hit
[2016-06-17 12:40:36] santacruz : hi
[2016-06-17 12:40:36] jung1 : im going short
[2016-06-17 12:41:05] MrRGnome : It's risky but I'm short eth too
[2016-06-17 12:41:26] rapidtrades : /o
[2016-06-17 12:42:40] jung1 : no risk no fun
[2016-06-17 12:43:22] wurstgelee : jung1: it went well below .02 already
[2016-06-17 12:43:30] wurstgelee : u might be a litle too late for the fun
[2016-06-17 12:43:31] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-17 12:43:35] wurstgelee : *little
[2016-06-17 12:44:11] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: is that a scratching head emoji? /o
[2016-06-17 12:46:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 210 @ 752.51
[2016-06-17 12:46:19] rapidtrades : okc down
[2016-06-17 12:50:38] jung1 : wurstgelee: just bouuncing
[2016-06-17 12:50:41] jung1 : 229
[2016-06-17 12:50:47] jung1 : on polo
[2016-06-17 12:51:06] jung1 : 228
[2016-06-17 12:51:40] jung1 : 227
[2016-06-17 12:52:25] jung1 : 224
[2016-06-17 12:52:42] wurstgelee : jung1: yep
[2016-06-17 12:52:50] wurstgelee : i dont touch it (any more) tho
[2016-06-17 12:52:57] wurstgelee : i had my epic short
[2016-06-17 12:52:58] wurstgelee : :]
[2016-06-17 12:53:16] MrRGnome : my shorts have been fairly small for fear of a retrace up
[2016-06-17 12:53:27] wurstgelee : there was a buy order @ .0288 (several k eth) when the shit went down
[2016-06-17 12:53:31] jung1 : I still keep short from 2356
[2016-06-17 12:53:31] wurstgelee : got to short 1k of that
[2016-06-17 12:53:32] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-17 12:53:38] rapidtrades : okc is such a scam man
[2016-06-17 12:53:43] Bacon futures trader : buy the dip
[2016-06-17 12:53:57] rapidtrades : they had a large buy wall around 742 and right as i lick buy, poof cloudflare
[2016-06-17 12:54:02] rapidtrades : eat dicks u whore
[2016-06-17 12:54:05] jung1 : Bacon futures trader: wait a bit
[2016-06-17 12:54:11] jung1 : its not a dip yet
[2016-06-17 12:54:13] rapidtrades : finally got in at 746
[2016-06-17 12:54:18] rapidtrades : scam pure scam
[2016-06-17 12:54:45] rapidtrades : lucky it was only 1.5 bc
[2016-06-17 12:54:57] wurstgelee : u shroted btc?
[2016-06-17 12:54:59] wurstgelee : shorted
[2016-06-17 12:55:02] wurstgelee : good luck ;)
[2016-06-17 12:55:11] rapidtrades : WATS WITH THE LAG AND WHO'STHE DUMMY WHO THOUGHT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA?
[2016-06-17 12:55:24] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-17 12:55:28] rapidtrades : u f savages and ur web interfaces
[2016-06-17 12:55:41] jung1 : 210% so far
[2016-06-17 12:55:46] jung1 : and counting
[2016-06-17 12:56:09] rapidtrades : okc down again
[2016-06-17 12:56:12] wurstgelee : jung1: it showed 1033%@ my eth position at one point earlier
[2016-06-17 12:56:15] wurstgelee : :D
[2016-06-17 12:56:25] jung1 : ALL HAIL BITNEX
[2016-06-17 12:56:26] wurstgelee : closed @ ~ 800%average i think
[2016-06-17 12:56:53] rapidtrades : doesn't matter dummy why u use that shitty number
[2016-06-17 12:56:57] rapidtrades : meaningless
[2016-06-17 12:57:34] wurstgelee : not to my account
[2016-06-17 12:57:35] rapidtrades : okc dead
[2016-06-17 12:57:38] rapidtrades : rip shitlord
[2016-06-17 12:58:00] jung1 : would be funny if okc be gox 2.0
[2016-06-17 12:58:05] jung1 : with this pump
[2016-06-17 12:59:10] rapidtrades : gox didn't cause that pump
[2016-06-17 12:59:27] rapidtrades : the only thing funny is ur shitcoin dying
[2016-06-17 12:59:38] jung1 : which one?
[2016-06-17 12:59:44] jung1 : bitcoin?
[2016-06-17 12:59:57] wurstgelee : he is talking about dao and thinks dao=eth i guess
[2016-06-17 13:00:05] wurstgelee : or some other weird thought
[2016-06-17 13:00:38] jung1 : https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/
[2016-06-17 13:00:39] wurstgelee : prob just salty because he shoted btc
[2016-06-17 13:00:44] wurstgelee : *shorted
[2016-06-17 13:01:16] jung1 : imo his brain is a bit davastated by coke from silkroad
[2016-06-17 13:01:21] rapidtrades : my only shorts past few weeks have been arbs
[2016-06-17 13:01:57] rapidtrades : i feel much better with most of my coins of okc
[2016-06-17 13:03:32] rapidtrades : jung1: reversibility should kill eth yes?
[2016-06-17 13:03:52] wurstgelee : nothing is gonna be reversed
[2016-06-17 13:04:05] wurstgelee : thats not how they are gonna fix the mess
[2016-06-17 13:04:09] rapidtrades : that's not what i heard
[2016-06-17 13:04:14] jung1 : hard to say. hard forks are not that bad
[2016-06-17 13:04:19] rapidtrades : loool
[2016-06-17 13:04:22] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-06-17 13:04:30] jung1 : what?
[2016-06-17 13:04:35] wurstgelee : then you heard wwrong. i'll try to explain it...once
[2016-06-17 13:04:36] rapidtrades : nothing
[2016-06-17 13:04:37] jung1 : its still open sourced
[2016-06-17 13:04:44] rapidtrades : oh good
[2016-06-17 13:04:49] Yumi : Hard forks not bad =)
[2016-06-17 13:04:57] rapidtrades : nah man its cool
[2016-06-17 13:04:58] Teddy76 : jung1: anyway, hardfork is not a good news
[2016-06-17 13:05:00] wurstgelee : stlen eth got moved int child dao. child dao coins cant be split (withdrawn from child dao) within 27 days
[2016-06-17 13:05:02] rapidtrades : don't worry about it
[2016-06-17 13:05:08] wurstgelee : (=dao creation period)
[2016-06-17 13:05:20] jung1 : Teddy76: short term yes but long term could be good for ecosystem
[2016-06-17 13:05:37] wurstgelee : so withing 27 days they are gonna fork the network and convert that child dao (and theDAO) itself into a withdraw-only contract
[2016-06-17 13:05:37] Teddy76 : yes, if hard fork occur without any problem
[2016-06-17 13:05:53] wurstgelee : eth gets returned to rightful owners
[2016-06-17 13:05:55] rapidtrades : so dao project dead?
[2016-06-17 13:05:58] wurstgelee : dao ceases to exist
[2016-06-17 13:06:01] jung1 : yes
[2016-06-17 13:06:03] wurstgelee : no eth got stolen effectively
[2016-06-17 13:06:04] rapidtrades : ahahhahahahahhahahhahaha
[2016-06-17 13:06:13] jung1 : dao is canceled
[2016-06-17 13:06:16] wurstgelee : dao is fucked. eth is not
[2016-06-17 13:06:18] Teddy76 : seriously?
[2016-06-17 13:06:19] rapidtrades : i shouldn't be that excited
[2016-06-17 13:06:22] BTCDJS : Eth hasn't even launched their final phase yet. These are still the buggy phases.
[2016-06-17 13:06:23] Teddy76 : source?
[2016-06-17 13:06:25] wurstgelee : yes, seriously
[2016-06-17 13:06:29] jung1 : so eth are going back to 10-15
[2016-06-17 13:06:29] rapidtrades : but they should've built on btc
[2016-06-17 13:06:30] wurstgelee : vitalik
[2016-06-17 13:06:33] wurstgelee : @ source
[2016-06-17 13:06:38] BTCDJS : fix the bugs before final launch
[2016-06-17 13:06:47] BTCDJS : thats how its supposed to work
[2016-06-17 13:06:53] jung1 : "Vitalik approves new round of bailouts for the DAO"
[2016-06-17 13:07:01] rapidtrades : why would an exchange need 250 million dollars
[2016-06-17 13:07:02] rapidtrades : why
[2016-06-17 13:07:02] Teddy76 : they can't just "cancel" them...
[2016-06-17 13:07:09] rapidtrades : are they biuying an island
[2016-06-17 13:07:12] wurstgelee : BTCDJS: yes ofc.theoretically. but if it worked that way, i wouldnt have my job i guess
[2016-06-17 13:07:13] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-17 13:07:16] rapidtrades : making their own country
[2016-06-17 13:07:32] wurstgelee : Teddy76: why cant they cancel them?
[2016-06-17 13:07:45] wurstgelee : the dao gets converted to an withdraw-only- eth contract
[2016-06-17 13:07:59] wurstgelee : people withdraw their invested eth. dao is done
[2016-06-17 13:08:18] wurstgelee : thats pretty much "canceling" i guess
[2016-06-17 13:09:18] wurstgelee : any bitmex admin here?
[2016-06-17 13:09:34] rapidtrades : but eth is doing the hard fork right
[2016-06-17 13:09:40] rapidtrades : so eth=dead
[2016-06-17 13:09:56] Teddy76 : because it's just a bug/hack, no sufficient IMO to abandon
[2016-06-17 13:10:13] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: I'm here
[2016-06-17 13:10:18] rapidtrades : it's the principle @Teddy76
[2016-06-17 13:10:47] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: nothing important, but: i had 3 withdrawals, all executed. received only two execution emails tho
[2016-06-17 13:10:55] wurstgelee : last one never arrived
[2016-06-17 13:11:01] BitMEX_Sam : Okay, hang on - I'll take a look into it
[2016-06-17 13:11:25] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: u have no monies brah
[2016-06-17 13:11:29] Teddy76 : IMO, it's too early to take this kind of decision
[2016-06-17 13:11:39] rapidtrades : what kind of decision
[2016-06-17 13:11:47] Teddy76 : kill DAO
[2016-06-17 13:11:47] BitMEX_Sam : Wow what a morning. I just got up... holy cow
[2016-06-17 13:11:54] rapidtrades : its gone
[2016-06-17 13:11:56] rapidtrades : deal with it
[2016-06-17 13:11:57] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: yep :9
[2016-06-17 13:12:08] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: nope, nothing is gone. everything arrived. just one email didnt
[2016-06-17 13:12:15] wurstgelee : no big issue but maybe something to look at
[2016-06-17 13:12:17] rapidtrades : wurstgelee: not u :)
[2016-06-17 13:12:22] wurstgelee : ah k ;9
[2016-06-17 13:12:25] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Oh okay, so you got all 3 withdrawals, just 2 emails
[2016-06-17 13:12:28] rapidtrades : dao's gone
[2016-06-17 13:12:33] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: yep
[2016-06-17 13:12:50] wurstgelee : the withdrawal execution emails. conf emails all arrived (obv)
[2016-06-17 13:13:55] migz : Oh boy, bot bids on eth are gone, :P
[2016-06-17 13:15:12] rapidtrades : gone all gonne!
[2016-06-17 13:15:18] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: 10:48 and 10:46 utc
[2016-06-17 13:15:23] wurstgelee : were the emails which arrived
[2016-06-17 13:15:47] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, I see them - looks like two of the confirmations came in exactly the same second on our end from the blockchain
[2016-06-17 13:16:06] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-06-17 13:16:15] wurstgelee : that resulted in email only triggered once?
[2016-06-17 13:16:18] markimarki : i really don't understand pnl i mean what is it good for the mark price is a way under than the entry price how it can be pnl a profit?
[2016-06-17 13:16:40] BitMEX_Sam : Seems that way wurstgelee. That's obviously a bug, I'm investigating :)
[2016-06-17 13:16:53] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: ;)
[2016-06-17 13:17:12] BitMEX_Sam : markimarki: Mark price is used for margining purposes so somebody on one of our markets can't simply run the price up and down, stop hunting or causing liquidations
[2016-06-17 13:17:31] BitMEX_Sam : It allows us to do high-leverage markets and try new markets and still have them be tradeable even if liquidity is low, or sporadically low
[2016-06-17 13:17:52] rapidtrades : bitcoin is the only one true coin left
[2016-06-17 13:18:11] markimarki : BitMEX_Sam: i see thanks
[2016-06-17 13:18:50] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: it is the mother of all coins. always was and prob will be, at least for a while ;)
[2016-06-17 13:19:40] Blargwaffle : Until Blockstream pushes LN.
[2016-06-17 13:19:54] migz : markimarki: mark price is from polo
[2016-06-17 13:20:17] markimarki : and now i lost it
[2016-06-17 13:20:36] migz : Mark price = Polo price :P
[2016-06-17 13:20:45] migz : Yeah?
[2016-06-17 13:20:55] markimarki : poloniex?
[2016-06-17 13:21:37] migz : Yes
[2016-06-17 13:22:52] markimarki : and if the pnl shows profit but the bid prices are much lower if i close my pos i got losses rigth?
[2016-06-17 13:23:09] rapidtrades : yea
[2016-06-17 13:23:21] wurstgelee : did anyboy notice btc is on the way to 5k again? with all those eyes on eth/DAOß .P
[2016-06-17 13:23:24] rapidtrades : u can only execute on bids/asks
[2016-06-17 13:23:48] markimarki : 5k?
[2016-06-17 13:24:20] wurstgelee : markimarki: 5000 CNY in china
[2016-06-17 13:24:45] Blargwaffle : 5000 Cunty.
[2016-06-17 13:24:51] markimarki : :D
[2016-06-17 13:24:52] wurstgelee : yep, those
[2016-06-17 13:24:54] rapidtrades : 5000 small ones
[2016-06-17 13:25:21] rapidtrades : yuan chilling in that 6.6 area still
[2016-06-17 13:25:33] markimarki : and the mark price changes according to?
[2016-06-17 13:26:06] rapidtrades : on what
[2016-06-17 13:27:16] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: 今天发的那个通知，也就是说以后都按照溢价指数计算利率了，不参考bitfinex的利率了是吧？？？
[2016-06-17 13:27:27] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam:
[2016-06-17 13:27:46] markimarki : can you give me a link with all the help about mark price and all this stuff?
[2016-06-17 13:28:06] rapidtrades : no im self-taught
[2016-06-17 13:28:11] wurstgelee : markimarki: https://www.bitmex.com/app/fairPriceMarking
[2016-06-17 13:28:20] markimarki : thanks
[2016-06-17 13:28:22] wurstgelee : np
[2016-06-17 13:28:28] rapidtrades : also i can't read
[2016-06-17 13:28:35] wurstgelee : rapidtrades: haha, that i remember
[2016-06-17 13:28:38] wurstgelee : 8)
[2016-06-17 13:28:45] zanza : morning gents
[2016-06-17 13:28:55] wurstgelee : zanza: gday
[2016-06-17 13:29:04] zanza : did I miss anything interesting?
[2016-06-17 13:29:10] rapidtrades : zanza: well well, if it isn't zanza sporting a fashionable green today
[2016-06-17 13:29:21] zanza : right-o chap
[2016-06-17 13:29:51] rapidtrades : bitcoin crashed, DAO got hacked, eth crashed, BTC rallid
[2016-06-17 13:29:55] rapidtrades : ur welcome
[2016-06-17 13:29:59] zanza : ROFL what
[2016-06-17 13:30:03] zanza : eth 21 ?!?
[2016-06-17 13:31:09] zanza : omg DAO HACK
[2016-06-17 13:31:55] rapidtrades : lol this guy is a slow reader or what
[2016-06-17 13:32:10] rapidtrades : took him 2 mins to process my comment
[2016-06-17 13:32:31] wurstgelee : some technical details about what happened with DAO and how they are goind to fix it: https://blog.ethcore.io/attack-on-thedao-what-will-be-your-response/
[2016-06-17 13:33:01] rapidtrades : SPOILER ALERT: They're doing a chargeback
[2016-06-17 13:33:08] wurstgelee : zanza: DAO is done. it's end is set in stone and official
[2016-06-17 13:33:45] rapidtrades : ok so why isn't DAO here at 0
[2016-06-17 13:33:51] rapidtrades : what's the value
[2016-06-17 13:34:36] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: Withdrawal，why not sent
[2016-06-17 13:34:57] rapidtrades : did u confirm the email
[2016-06-17 13:35:06] BitMEX_Sam : huangyong: I am waiting for one of the partners to come back, he is traveling and will be online very shortly
[2016-06-17 13:35:09] BitMEX_Sam : I apologize for the delay
[2016-06-17 13:35:13] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-06-17 13:36:18] kendang : bitcoin transactions are a bit slow today. not even 1 confirmation after 10 mins.
[2016-06-17 13:37:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 159 @ 0.02158
[2016-06-17 13:37:49] rapidtrades : kendang: waited 15--20 yday with 37 cents fee
[2016-06-17 13:38:13] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: Oh, yeah ，wait 30 minutes is ok
[2016-06-17 13:38:45] zanza : they are going to roll back DAO?
[2016-06-17 13:38:54] kendang : zanza: seems like it
[2016-06-17 13:39:17] wurstgelee : zanza: not roll back, convert it into wathdrawal-only contract
[2016-06-17 13:39:23] wurstgelee : everybody gets his eth back, dao is done
[2016-06-17 13:39:31] wurstgelee : *i
[2016-06-17 13:41:12] rapidtrades : don't give me dao nao
[2016-06-17 13:41:16] rapidtrades : maybe later :)
[2016-06-17 13:41:30] rapidtrades : srsly tho why isn't it at 0
[2016-06-17 13:41:36] rapidtrades : is it withdrawable as eth
[2016-06-17 13:41:38] rapidtrades : or wht
[2016-06-17 13:42:55] rapidtrades : i thought u guys used 'fundamentals' in ur analysis
[2016-06-17 13:43:07] j8 : if it was zero they'd all have to stop trading it and find something else to do
[2016-06-17 13:43:21] aethlios : 100 dao are recovered to 1 eth?? I see a nice arb here.
[2016-06-17 13:43:25] rapidtrades : j8: lol
[2016-06-17 13:43:34] rapidtrades : aethlios: how so
[2016-06-17 13:43:36] wurstgelee : aethlios: they cant do plain 100
[2016-06-17 13:43:40] rapidtrades : lead me jew
[2016-06-17 13:43:43] wurstgelee : because some people paid more or less
[2016-06-17 13:43:48] wurstgelee : prob depends on where u bought it
[2016-06-17 13:43:54] rapidtrades : this jew knows his arbs
[2016-06-17 13:44:05] wurstgelee : i would assume u get exactly the amount of eth back u originally put in
[2016-06-17 13:44:12] wurstgelee : but dunno
[2016-06-17 13:44:43] rapidtrades : ok so if i bought dao with eth on polo....what happens in 27 days
[2016-06-17 13:44:48] aethlios : it can't be below 100:1 now market price is 140:1, so there is a 40%
[2016-06-17 13:45:09] justinlooking : blew up my finex acc :(
[2016-06-17 13:45:13] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: in 27 days, you will be cursing the dao team
[2016-06-17 13:45:24] wurstgelee : justinlooking: btc long and went to sleep? oO
[2016-06-17 13:45:43] rapidtrades : why...we didn't drop that far?
[2016-06-17 13:45:43] justinlooking : pretty much!
[2016-06-17 13:45:47] rapidtrades : wat
[2016-06-17 13:46:09] arbitrage001 : justinlooking: finex only have 3 times leverage
[2016-06-17 13:46:15] rapidtrades : how can u blow up with 3/1
[2016-06-17 13:46:25] wurstgelee : justinlooking: i did the same the whole last week, yesterday i put in a stop limit order
[2016-06-17 13:46:26] arbitrage001 : price dint move by 33%
[2016-06-17 13:46:28] wurstgelee : for no real reason
[2016-06-17 13:46:30] wurstgelee : saved my ass
[2016-06-17 13:46:31] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-17 13:47:07] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: its much less to be liqudated if u maxed it out
[2016-06-17 13:47:23] rapidtrades : certainly not 10% drop tho?
[2016-06-17 13:47:53] justinlooking : resting bids and poorly placed stops. way too bullish last night, missed the fun this morning...
[2016-06-17 13:48:08] justinlooking : got 2 bob left and a red face
[2016-06-17 13:48:10] rapidtrades : he used stops folks!
[2016-06-17 13:48:46] rapidtrades : so max u lost what 30ish percent? pfft not a blowup
[2016-06-17 13:51:25] jung1 : funny that dao still hold some value
[2016-06-17 13:51:25] jung1 : drop only 40%
[2016-06-17 13:51:27] huangyong : Withdrawal is Completed
[2016-06-17 13:51:41] BitMEX_Sam : huangyong: :+1:
[2016-06-17 13:51:59] rapidtrades : jung1: whats the actual value for it...like book value or whaever
[2016-06-17 13:52:02] migz : Finally
[2016-06-17 13:52:36] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: thanks
[2016-06-17 13:55:47] billz : jung1: actually it's really dumb of people to be selling their DAO
[2016-06-17 13:56:07] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-17 13:56:14] jung1 : maybe I will buy some
[2016-06-17 13:56:24] billz : Yeah, apparently it will all be refunded into regular ETH, so as long as ETH holds up then DAo holders will be okay
[2016-06-17 13:56:33] rapidtrades : why
[2016-06-17 13:56:52] rapidtrades : what's the ratio tho
[2016-06-17 13:57:05] billz : a good 25% difference
[2016-06-17 13:57:18] billz : more than that right now
[2016-06-17 13:57:23] rapidtrades : so its at 25% discount?
[2016-06-17 13:57:50] billz : DAO is at 0.0001449 on polo and ETH at 0.0215 so yeah a little more than 25%
[2016-06-17 13:58:00] jung1 : so if I will buy dao now, daohub could withrawal me ethereum in future?
[2016-06-17 13:58:21] migz : dont buy anycoin :) better hold to your btc before halving
[2016-06-17 13:58:41] billz : "We would like to give you the option to agree on another state of the world. In this state theDAO attacker would not be allowed to take control of the ether inside theDAO - nor would he or she be able to move or spend it. Instead, the DAO tokens will be returned to the Dao token holders, theDAO experiment will end and we will move on wiser." according to ETHcore team
[2016-06-17 13:59:37] rapidtrades : ^ don't expect anything more from a pair of ruskies
[2016-06-17 14:00:41] aethlios : jung1: that's the risk, can you trust them? if they change rules? I wouldn't risk it
[2016-06-17 14:01:02] billz : incomplete quote actually "We will offer you this choice through an optional update to the parity client that will move ether to a recovery contract that will allow DAO token holders to recover their ether. This will maintain consensus with other updates from the Geth team and the CPP team."
[2016-06-17 14:16:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 19000 @ 752.27
[2016-06-17 14:18:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 450 @ 750.78
[2016-06-17 14:19:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1200 @ 749.40
[2016-06-17 14:19:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 748.60
[2016-06-17 14:21:59] Bacon futures trader : Do you use a stop market or stop limit order for a sl on a short position?
[2016-06-17 14:22:06] elmorte : billz: where can I read this?
[2016-06-17 14:22:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 8 @ 0.02251
[2016-06-17 14:25:34] elmorte : Nvm, Google's got it
[2016-06-17 14:26:23] billz : elmorte: yeah ethcore website
[2016-06-17 14:40:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 467 @ 0.02291
[2016-06-17 14:41:38] jung1 : http://mypoliticsmoney.com/the-white-house-bitcoin/
[2016-06-17 14:42:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 30 @ 0.02317
[2016-06-17 14:44:44] BTCDJS : looks like everything back to normal
[2016-06-17 15:05:12] Mr Blue : Harsh I got liquidated with Eth this morning, turns out only its good to do a x2 lol others too risky with Eth.
[2016-06-17 15:05:29] Mr Blue : It's only*
[2016-06-17 15:19:17] aethlios : Mr Blue: shorted eth again 0.02175 but 2500 this time, target 0.01755, let's see.
[2016-06-17 15:23:10] BitMEX_Sam : https://github.com/slockit/DAO/pull/259/files
[2016-06-17 15:28:04] zanza : just curious, if the XBT price is matching the spot , why is next interest rate .75% ?
[2016-06-17 15:32:49] BitMEX_Sam : zanza: It was set 4 hours ago based on the premium from the last 8hr period
[2016-06-17 15:33:57] BitMEX_Wally : Chart here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-06-17 15:37:08] BTCDJS : Whats happened to finex?
[2016-06-17 15:37:30] j8 : scheduled maintenance https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/
[2016-06-17 15:37:36] BTCDJS : j8: ahh
[2016-06-17 15:37:39] BTCDJS : thanks
[2016-06-17 15:42:13] jung1 : dao, okc, bitfinex
[2016-06-17 15:42:20] jung1 : good day for bitcoin
[2016-06-17 15:46:33] zanza : got it. Did you guys ever consider increasing the funding periods, like for example 24 times per day on the hour?
[2016-06-17 15:49:27] BitMEX_Sam : We have considered it, but we are reluctant to make any breaking changes for quite some time until we are absolutely sure a move like that is necessary
[2016-06-17 15:50:00] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: +1
[2016-06-17 15:52:54] JohnBoeg : Did the max XBTUSD premium get locked at 0.75%?
[2016-06-17 15:53:20] BitMEX_Sam : I believe it just happened that way. The max is 1.125%
[2016-06-17 15:53:50] JohnBoeg : I'm seeing 0.75% consistently righ now at the minute chart
[2016-06-17 15:54:02] JohnBoeg : Ok coincidence :-)?
[2016-06-17 15:54:29] BitMEX_Sam : Hang on. May have had something to do with the BFX outage
[2016-06-17 15:54:34] JohnBoeg : Ok tx
[2016-06-17 15:54:56] tscha : It can't change more than 0.375% in one funding period
[2016-06-17 15:55:10] tscha : 1.125% - 0.375% = 0.75%
[2016-06-17 15:55:11] JohnBoeg : Yeah but that;s the 8hr thing, not the minute thing
[2016-06-17 15:55:51] tscha : ah ok now I know what you mean
[2016-06-17 15:59:26] BitMEX_Sam : The reason `.XBTUSDPI` hasn't changed is because the mark price is in between the impactBid and impactAsk prices
[2016-06-17 15:59:51] BitMEX_Sam : So we consider the funding rate correct while that is true and the index doesn't change
[2016-06-17 16:00:16] JohnBoeg : Ok, so no changes in the underlying product. This could have happend last week as well?
[2016-06-17 16:00:35] BitMEX_Sam : Last week there was not a premium index and the funding was 100% based on BFX rates
[2016-06-17 16:01:06] JohnBoeg : Yeah, ok, I mean yesterday :-)
[2016-06-17 16:01:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 405 @ 743.57
[2016-06-17 16:01:22] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes. Yeah it can happen at any time if the mark price is in between the spread
[2016-06-17 16:01:31] JohnBoeg : Ok thanks for checking
[2016-06-17 16:02:07] JohnBoeg : If anything does change for any reason, I'll get an e-mail in advance right?
[2016-06-17 16:02:26] rapidtrades : sure, about 18h in advance
[2016-06-17 16:02:50] JohnBoeg : Good enough. Appreciate it guys. Great way of offering support!
[2016-06-17 16:02:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 740.45
[2016-06-17 16:02:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4512 @ 739.91
[2016-06-17 16:04:09] JohnBoeg : BitMEX_Sam could you confirm what rapidtrades says?
[2016-06-17 16:04:37] BitMEX_Sam : JohnBoeg: Changes are announced at least 1W in advance
[2016-06-17 16:04:47] JohnBoeg : Great, thanks!
[2016-06-17 16:04:50] BitMEX_Sam : Rapidtrades is referring to an incident this weekend where we had to make a quick change to the funding rate calculation on XBTUSD
[2016-06-17 16:05:06] JohnBoeg : :-), got it. It's a fast market anyway
[2016-06-17 16:05:19] JohnBoeg : HAve a good day. Thanks
[2016-06-17 16:05:23] BitMEX_Sam : You too.
[2016-06-17 16:05:48] tscha : what a nice user... full of optimism and hope
[2016-06-17 16:05:51] tscha : must be new :)
[2016-06-17 16:11:22] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-17 16:16:18] elmorte : Probably Sam's "other" account
[2016-06-17 16:17:36] elmorte : We got the colours back, cheers @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-06-17 16:18:00] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Yeah - apologies for that, did some internal refactoring and didn't realize the change
[2016-06-17 16:18:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 25 @ 0.02197
[2016-06-17 16:21:33] Rado : we like the colours :-)
[2016-06-17 16:24:31] BitMEX_Sam : Yes indeed. It's actually the same component that calculates the color of the order IDs in your order / trade history, just had a small bug in it
[2016-06-17 16:26:56] mjmj83 : Sam, are you sure the XBTUSDPI of 0.75% is correct? I know XBTUSDPI does not change when the mark price is in the middle of the Bid and Ask. But it's often exactly 0.75%. Too often in my opinion. It really looks like a cap.
[2016-06-17 16:27:19] BitMEX_Sam : It is because this period's funding rate happened to be 0.7500%
[2016-06-17 16:27:28] jung1 : eth 215
[2016-06-17 16:27:33] BitMEX_Sam : So when the mark price is in between the bid/ask, the PI == current funding rate
[2016-06-17 16:27:52] jung1 : 214
[2016-06-17 16:27:53] mjmj83 : What is the PI?
[2016-06-17 16:28:03] mjmj83 : Price Index
[2016-06-17 16:28:04] jung1 : profit/loss
[2016-06-17 16:28:06] BitMEX_Sam : Premium Index
[2016-06-17 16:28:27] BitMEX_Sam : Ah okay Wally informs me there is a reason why it was exactly 0.7500% this period
[2016-06-17 16:28:35] BitMEX_Sam : It went up to the absolute max last period, which was 1.125%
[2016-06-17 16:28:42] billz : ETH mark price is pretty slow to update today
[2016-06-17 16:28:48] mjmj83 : Because it is 0.75% currently
[2016-06-17 16:28:50] BitMEX_Sam : The funding rate can only change by at most 0.375% per period, so it went down to 0.750% exactly
[2016-06-17 16:28:51] mjmj83 : i see
[2016-06-17 16:28:56] mjmj83 : Yes
[2016-06-17 16:29:00] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-06-17 16:29:04] mjmj83 : I understand now
[2016-06-17 16:29:14] mjmj83 : quite arbitrary.. but i'll accept it. hehe
[2016-06-17 16:29:24] mjmj83 : (what can i do anyway)