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[2016-06-16 11:40:27] billz : i'll wait though
[2016-06-16 11:40:44] BTCDJS : is this the dump?
[2016-06-16 11:40:49] BTCDJS : WTF
[2016-06-16 11:41:56] rapidtrades : why is the kaiko index lagging so much
[2016-06-16 11:42:14] rapidtrades : move the f down u pos
[2016-06-16 11:43:11] rapidtrades : srsly index should be $10 lower why not
[2016-06-16 11:43:16] billz : it says 743 on the site too, maybe because okcoin didn't dump
[2016-06-16 11:43:23] rapidtrades : 728
[2016-06-16 11:43:48] rapidtrades : finex 728
[2016-06-16 11:43:56] rapidtrades : fix ur stupid index
[2016-06-16 11:43:57] billz : oh wait nah
[2016-06-16 11:44:04] billz : it's at 737
[2016-06-16 11:44:18] rapidtrades : i was told there's only a 5s lag
[2016-06-16 11:44:22] rapidtrades : is this not accurate
[2016-06-16 11:44:28] lockhedge : non-frozen index here https://robotfinance.org/bix/beta/
[2016-06-16 11:44:52] rapidtrades : dude i have okc and finex open, i don't need the index to see that smth is wrong
[2016-06-16 11:45:10] rapidtrades : support ur index is wrong
[2016-06-16 11:45:34] rapidtrades : move the f index and wrecks some longs god damit
[2016-06-16 11:45:35] billz : yeah someone hurry and fix this before funding rate kicks in
[2016-06-16 11:45:37] laurenssteen : WTF that stupid index
[2016-06-16 11:45:40] aethlios : XBT spot doesn't update
[2016-06-16 11:46:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1000 @ 736.24
[2016-06-16 11:46:56] rapidtrades : finally
[2016-06-16 11:47:04] BTCDJS : WTF is going on here?
[2016-06-16 11:47:06] rapidtrades : only 1k tho
[2016-06-16 11:47:09] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-06-16 11:47:16] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: they just updated the index
[2016-06-16 11:47:18] donatan : why was is showing wrong market price
[2016-06-16 11:47:25] billz : word now it can lag lower lol
[2016-06-16 11:47:28] donatan : in open positions and in chart?
[2016-06-16 11:47:46] rapidtrades : no clue
[2016-06-16 11:47:52] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: ok
[2016-06-16 11:50:07] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: so this is an artificial dump?
[2016-06-16 11:51:35] rapidtrades : looks like a real dump to me
[2016-06-16 11:51:36] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-16 11:51:43] donatan : bitmex are you here?
[2016-06-16 11:51:51] Blargwaffle : The site is still here.
[2016-06-16 11:51:53] donatan : anyone ?
[2016-06-16 11:51:57] donatan : anyone from bitmex
[2016-06-16 11:52:17] BTCDJS : Ah FFS
[2016-06-16 11:52:21] laurenssteen : how much is the actual mark price right now?
[2016-06-16 11:52:35] BTCDJS : 732
[2016-06-16 11:52:47] rapidtrades : 732 should be accurate
[2016-06-16 11:53:00] rapidtrades : it will jump in 8 mins tho due to new fee
[2016-06-16 11:53:07] donatan : if I click close at market price will it start taking it from the book or will it close the whole thing by market price?
[2016-06-16 11:53:18] rapidtrades : orderbook
[2016-06-16 11:53:26] donatan : so the market price is useless
[2016-06-16 11:53:34] donatan : and lies
[2016-06-16 11:53:38] ayy_lmao : not really
[2016-06-16 11:53:39] rapidtrades : the mark price is only there for liquidation
[2016-06-16 11:53:59] donatan : i see, but the caprions on the chart,
[2016-06-16 11:54:06] donatan : it also is based on marketprice
[2016-06-16 11:54:07] rapidtrades : in 7 mins u'll get the mark price ...are u short or long
[2016-06-16 11:54:10] donatan : which is not true
[2016-06-16 11:54:28] donatan : it says prifit/loss but its not true profit
[2016-06-16 11:54:42] rapidtrades : u got that right sparky
[2016-06-16 11:54:44] ayy_lmao : well thats with all exchanges
[2016-06-16 11:54:47] BTCDJS : laurenssteen: longs with negative pal don't pay funding
[2016-06-16 11:54:52] ayy_lmao : there is always slippage
[2016-06-16 11:54:52] BTCDJS : PNL
[2016-06-16 11:55:01] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: that's not true
[2016-06-16 11:55:08] donatan : maybe it is but why wont it calculate based on book
[2016-06-16 11:55:11] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: thats what wally told me
[2016-06-16 11:55:18] rapidtrades : they don't pay DPE, every long pay the fee
[2016-06-16 11:55:31] laurenssteen : BTCDJS: as long you are long you have to pay the funding normally
[2016-06-16 11:55:45] Blargwaffle : Every position participates in funding.
[2016-06-16 11:55:53] Blargwaffle : Profitable positions participate in DPE.
[2016-06-16 11:55:57] BTCDJS : laurenssteen: why did he tell me that?
[2016-06-16 11:55:58] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2016-06-16 11:56:01] ayy_lmao : oh, u will need to use the calculator for your true pnl
[2016-06-16 11:56:14] ayy_lmao : still waiting on a accurate pnl feature here
[2016-06-16 11:56:16] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-06-16 11:56:33] BitMEX_Wally : I have added marginBalance and fee (DPE) to the wallet history
[2016-06-16 11:56:46] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: people with negative PNL still pay the funding fee?
[2016-06-16 11:56:52] rapidtrades : cool tnx @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-06-16 11:56:55] BitMEX_Wally : So that pending CashRebalance includes all your PNL minus DPE
[2016-06-16 11:57:12] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: Anyone who is long pays a positive funding fee, it is included in the maintenance margin
[2016-06-16 11:57:27] BTCDJS : damnit
[2016-06-16 11:57:48] BitMEX_Wally : But after funding the price will rise, so you'll get it back as unrealised profit
[2016-06-16 11:58:03] laurenssteen : BitMEX_Wally: why is the funding fee that much higher then let's say 15 days ago
[2016-06-16 11:58:22] BitMEX_Wally : Because more retail demand going long on the swap
[2016-06-16 11:58:30] rapidtrades : they're adding the premium in now @laurenssteen
[2016-06-16 11:58:33] BitMEX_Wally : Probably something to do with the price of Bitcoin going up 20%
[2016-06-16 11:59:06] laurenssteen : BitMEX_Wally: how is it calculated
[2016-06-16 11:59:36] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide#premium-index
[2016-06-16 11:59:36] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: i believe ur index is f again
[2016-06-16 11:59:56] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: Which index `.XBT`?
[2016-06-16 12:00:04] Blargwaffle : It looks ok...
[2016-06-16 12:00:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 516586 @ 731.58 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-16 12:00:25] ayy_lmao : l o l
[2016-06-16 12:00:43] BitMEX_Wally : That's the same liquidation order
[2016-06-16 12:00:47] BitMEX_Wally : It gets resubmitted after the rebalance
[2016-06-16 12:00:59] ayy_lmao : yah so how do we fix dpe
[2016-06-16 12:01:06] BTCDJS : WTF?
[2016-06-16 12:01:16] rapidtrades : prices go down, only way to fix dpe
[2016-06-16 12:01:19] ayy_lmao : oh price moved fast
[2016-06-16 12:01:23] ayy_lmao : i see it
[2016-06-16 12:01:26] BTCDJS : thats an expensive funding fee
[2016-06-16 12:01:31] Blargwaffle : DPE should fix itself over time.
[2016-06-16 12:01:38] Blargwaffle : Unless there's some sharp spot movement.
[2016-06-16 12:02:01] BitMEX_Wally : Rebalance brings the liquidation order up to the spot price
[2016-06-16 12:02:50] ayy_lmao : k
[2016-06-16 12:04:17] bdo : dunno
[2016-06-16 12:04:28] BTCDJS : laurenssteen: were you badly affected?
[2016-06-16 12:04:39] bdo : but luckily we get long before that was triggered
[2016-06-16 12:05:07] BitMEX_Wally : There was no DPE
[2016-06-16 12:05:17] bdo : wrong chat
[2016-06-16 12:05:37] laurenssteen : BTCDJS: had a pos of 50k so yup
[2016-06-16 12:05:43] ayy_lmao : lol
[2016-06-16 12:06:02] BTCDJS : laurenssteen: That stupid little dump
[2016-06-16 12:06:38] BTCDJS : Im still holding.
[2016-06-16 12:07:07] laurenssteen : BTCDJS: me2
[2016-06-16 12:07:19] BTCDJS : laurenssteen: fingers crossed
[2016-06-16 12:08:11] yerb : who sold into the wall?
[2016-06-16 12:08:31] laurenssteen : no way I'm paying that next f fund
[2016-06-16 12:08:37] ayy_lmao : gat damn
[2016-06-16 12:08:39] rapidtrades : ppl with money @yerb
[2016-06-16 12:08:40] ayy_lmao : 0.8
[2016-06-16 12:10:22] BTCDJS : all or nothing 800
[2016-06-16 12:10:29] Mr Blue : Any guestimates for today?? 755 or 705??
[2016-06-16 12:10:56] Bacon futures trader : 5000 cny is the sweetspot
[2016-06-16 12:11:07] rapidtrades : we never got there tho
[2016-06-16 12:11:09] rapidtrades : 4950
[2016-06-16 12:11:17] Bacon futures trader : not yet
[2016-06-16 12:11:32] rapidtrades : its possible that we dont get there :)
[2016-06-16 12:11:39] Bacon futures trader : That is correct
[2016-06-16 12:11:52] Bacon futures trader : But trend is still up so plan on buying the dip
[2016-06-16 12:11:53] rapidtrades : tnx ur validation means smth to me
[2016-06-16 12:11:57] rapidtrades : not a lot, but smth
[2016-06-16 12:12:03] BTCDJS : shut up you two. we are getting there
[2016-06-16 12:12:08] Bacon futures trader : lmao
[2016-06-16 12:12:27] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: have u opened other accounts elsewhere?
[2016-06-16 12:12:34] Mr Blue : To us Brits we just moved past £500 at 520 now so a drop down to 500 isn't impossible
[2016-06-16 12:12:34] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: yes
[2016-06-16 12:12:43] Mr Blue : Bacon futures trader: cool
[2016-06-16 12:13:05] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: cool
[2016-06-16 12:13:21] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: but i prefer here
[2016-06-16 12:17:03] Mr Blue : Shorted 1000 at 741
[2016-06-16 12:17:32] billz : This is looking similar to what happened in 4700 cny area with the big dip to 4590, retrace and then bigger dip to 4480
[2016-06-16 12:19:36] yerb : liquidation wall moving higher, wtf
[2016-06-16 12:20:15] Mr Blue : yerb: good it gets to 741 I'll start shorting more on it lol
[2016-06-16 12:20:17] BTCDJS : yerb: you paid the fee out of you maintenance margin
[2016-06-16 12:20:19] yerb : this is bullshit, we would go lower if it wasnt so high
[2016-06-16 12:23:21] rapidtrades : calm down pl0x
[2016-06-16 12:28:10] rapidtrades : rally done for today imo....maybe we'll get smth around okc settlement
[2016-06-16 12:33:15] Mr Blue : It looks like it's over when you consider sell pressure is now greater on fiñex then buy pressure all way down to $500, but I've seen it turn around in the blink of an eye, however I'm to be a little risky and short from 740+ got a little $1000 short in already, entry 741
[2016-06-16 12:33:44] Mr Blue : I'm going to be a little risky*
[2016-06-16 12:38:22] Mr Blue : Not -2000 at 740.61, haha I should try short higher than first time, idiot
[2016-06-16 12:38:42] Mr Blue : Now -2000*
[2016-06-16 12:52:08] Mr Blue : Now -6000 average entry 740.20... but I think I'll leave it at that, so I can double up if it goes 750
[2016-06-16 12:57:01] podizzle3k : sup trollbox
[2016-06-16 12:57:22] podizzle3k : 08:20 - yerb: this is bullshit, we would go lower if it wasnt so high
[2016-06-16 12:57:26] podizzle3k : haha wtf
[2016-06-16 12:58:11] podizzle3k : reminds me of the shitcoin holders "if everyone would stop selling the price wouldn't go down!"
[2016-06-16 12:59:11] justinlooking : podizzle3k: tbf he was talking about the 400k liq that kept moving up
[2016-06-16 12:59:32] podizzle3k : looks like it cleared up
[2016-06-16 12:59:46] justinlooking : yeh, about 300k at 439
[2016-06-16 12:59:57] justinlooking : *739
[2016-06-16 12:59:59] podizzle3k : wow it dipped all the way to 439
[2016-06-16 13:00:08] podizzle3k : aww u beat me
[2016-06-16 13:00:14] justinlooking : soz, old habbits
[2016-06-16 13:00:47] podizzle3k : yeah i know what you mean
[2016-06-16 13:01:02] podizzle3k : i was so confused yesterday i was saying the price was 6650 cny
[2016-06-16 13:01:51] podizzle3k : i guess the xbt index is about $3 higher than finex surprisingly
[2016-06-16 13:07:01] men : another leg up? :D
[2016-06-16 13:10:21] NukeLaloosh : question: `Funding Basis`is used to adjust spot to `mark price` only with XBTUSD?
[2016-06-16 13:12:25] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: how come I never get ref fee's? Are you guys trying to say I'm cheating? Because I've not even set up a second account yet lol, they're some of my Facebook friends from one post I did so far to help the site.
[2016-06-16 13:12:53] podizzle3k : men i dont think it counts as another leg up if the price just took a leg down
[2016-06-16 13:14:05] wurstgelee : podizzle3k: its great if u btfd tho
[2016-06-16 13:14:09] wurstgelee : doesnt matter if leg or not
[2016-06-16 13:14:10] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-16 13:15:35] podizzle3k : i like turtles
[2016-06-16 13:15:58] wurstgelee : i prefer beef tbh
[2016-06-16 13:18:17] podizzle3k : you just offended all our hindu users
[2016-06-16 13:18:34] wurstgelee : sok
[2016-06-16 13:19:16] Mr Blue : podizzle3k: sure because eating wild cow is much better than a domesticated, somebody should tell the buf is wild beef lol
[2016-06-16 13:19:28] Mr Blue : Tell them*
[2016-06-16 13:20:19] wurstgelee : damn u rebalancing
[2016-06-16 13:20:51] wurstgelee : every time same thing. almost heart attack because upnl suddenly way smaller
[2016-06-16 13:20:55] podizzle3k : haha
[2016-06-16 13:21:34] podizzle3k : go hover your mouse over entry price and console yourself
[2016-06-16 13:21:35] BitMEX_Wally : NukeLaloosh: yes only XBTUSD for now has Funding Premium
[2016-06-16 13:21:36] wurstgelee : went from 310% to now 60%
[2016-06-16 13:21:43] wurstgelee : podizzle3k: yes, that helps
[2016-06-16 13:21:46] wurstgelee : a lot :D
[2016-06-16 13:22:27] BitMEX_Wally : Mr Blue: Please ask your friends how much they have traded and if you believe your Affiliate Status page is incorrect then email support with a copy of your friends' trades and we will investigate
[2016-06-16 13:23:00] podizzle3k : eth bidder is playing with fire knowing that funding premium is coming
[2016-06-16 13:23:13] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Wally: I'm asking not about premium, but about position marking
[2016-06-16 13:23:21] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: well I don't no what friends signed up, but it's 3 of the 6 crypto friends I shared post with for sure
[2016-06-16 13:23:27] NukeLaloosh : Position Marking Swap contracts will be marked at the mark price. The mark price determines unrealised PNL and the liquidation price. Funding Basis = Funding Rate * (Hours Until Funding Timestamp / Funding Period) Mark Price = Spot Price * (1 + Funding Basis)
[2016-06-16 13:24:03] BitMEX_Wally : NukeLaloosh: All swaps are marked to the Funding Basis
[2016-06-16 13:24:59] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: I will ask in general what people have made when next on fb, but doesn't exactly inspire confindence as I know they most of traded something or why sign up, and I got nothing
[2016-06-16 13:25:14] Mr Blue : They must of*
[2016-06-16 13:26:08] BitMEX_Wally : You get at least 10% of any commissions your referrals have paid
[2016-06-16 13:27:09] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: ye and some of my friends are more whale than me, but can't prove what they've traded, still 0 seems off
[2016-06-16 13:27:47] BitMEX_Wally : Does it say "You have referred 0 users"?
[2016-06-16 13:28:13] BitMEX_Wally : if so please email support a list of their email addresses and I will tell you if they signed up and what affiliate link they used
[2016-06-16 13:28:16] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: no says I have 3 had them about 4 or 5 days
[2016-06-16 13:29:04] Mr Blue : Maybe longer, I have the memory of a stoner lol
[2016-06-16 13:30:24] BitMEX_Wally : They may have signed up but not deposited, or maybe only traded with getting taker fees
[2016-06-16 13:30:42] BitMEX_Wally : email support@bitmex.com and we will investigate
[2016-06-16 13:30:54] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: I'm not going to start begging my friends about who signed up and what they've traded, just 0 seems low
[2016-06-16 13:34:50] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: never mind just forget it, if you like check my 3 refs, but should of already known if they'd been spending.. maybe they didn't spend anything but surely after 5 days one of them should of done lol, I don't care about the fee's just letting you know it doesn't make me want to invite more.
[2016-06-16 13:36:55] rapidtrades : I singed up under a ref and never got the rebate as well
[2016-06-16 13:37:40] rapidtrades : i meant the fee discount or whatever...i've been paying 0.075% since day 1
[2016-06-16 13:38:21] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: haha was it your own ref? I've been thinking about that one if I get around to making a second account
[2016-06-16 13:39:27] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: haha you've been here years must be few BTC your owned if true
[2016-06-16 13:43:14] Mr Blue : Anyways, rant over but I'm not happy with the ref system for sure
[2016-06-16 13:44:01] Mr Blue : BitMEX_Wally: if you can't talk about my refs in chat and check it out for me though, just send me an email.
[2016-06-16 13:51:22] Mr Blue : I assume the exchange would rather me have 50 refs than 3 if not their loss, but I'm not a mug lol
[2016-06-16 13:52:23] wurstgelee : Mr Blue: i would assume that your refs dont trade rather than assuming that the ref system is broken
[2016-06-16 13:52:48] wurstgelee : or are u 100% sure they do?
[2016-06-16 13:53:17] elmorte : rapidtrades: dudeee...lol...when I asked since when have the fees been -0.225/0.675, you asnwered "since forever"
[2016-06-16 13:53:27] Mr Blue : No I don't no they traded here, but I know they have Bitcoin and know they signed up
[2016-06-16 13:55:51] elmorte : HOLY F*CK! That deep order warning just saved my ass...almost long'ed till $69k...
[2016-06-16 13:56:06] Mr Blue : wurstgelee: your possibly correct, but added more competition to the exchange if I'm not getting reward doesn't make sense, I'll still help out now and then when I make a profit.. but I won't be trying to get 50 refs like other exchanges if looked like I'm getting taken up the bum
[2016-06-16 13:56:17] elmorte : Well...not that it would actually go that deep
[2016-06-16 13:56:49] Mr Blue : If it looks*
[2016-06-16 13:57:31] Mr Blue : Guys who here is Jay Orbitcoin friend on Facebook??
[2016-06-16 13:58:19] zanza : i think bitmex should just give Mr Blue 2 BTC for his 3 friends ref
[2016-06-16 13:59:05] Mr Blue : zanza: it's not about the money, it's principle , it prob only 20,000 Satoshi
[2016-06-16 13:59:05] BTCDJS : zanza: only 2? I got 5
[2016-06-16 13:59:39] Mr Blue : Lol
[2016-06-16 14:01:32] elmorte : zanza: socialist!
[2016-06-16 14:39:07] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Wally: the next funding rate is .8204% or .8326%?
[2016-06-16 14:47:16] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD
[2016-06-16 14:47:24] BitMEX_Wally : `Funding Rate 0.8204%`
[2016-06-16 14:48:58] BitMEX_Wally : The funding rate increase is capped at 0.375% so it could not be 0.8326%
[2016-06-16 14:49:18] NukeLaloosh : ah, that was my question. thanks
[2016-06-16 14:52:57] NukeLaloosh : Mark Price = Spot Price * (1 + Funding Basis)––using 742.19 for spot and 5 hrs to go, I get 746.15 for mark price
[2016-06-16 14:53:14] NukeLaloosh : mark is showing 742.45
[2016-06-16 14:58:06] BitMEX_Wally : `738.77*1+0.008204*5/8 = 742.56`
[2016-06-16 14:59:02] NukeLaloosh : i pulled spot from https://www.kaiko.com/
[2016-06-16 14:59:25] BitMEX_Wally : http://kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-06-16 15:00:56] BitMEX_Wally : We publish `XBT Spot` in the ticker bar and under the Contract Details widget
[2016-06-16 15:01:12] BitMEX_Wally : Currently showing ` 738.42 / 742.19 `
[2016-06-16 15:01:45] rapidtrades : another sharp reversal in usd/cnh back over 6.60
[2016-06-16 15:02:17] Blargwaffle : US finally caught up.
[2016-06-16 15:02:18] NukeLaloosh : yeah, that's about $4 difference. thanks
[2016-06-16 15:02:36] rapidtrades : its mayhem out there folks
[2016-06-16 15:02:46] rapidtrades : bears are out hunting and they take no prisoners :)
[2016-06-16 15:03:07] luckynuke : next run to 5000cny
[2016-06-16 15:04:04] luckynuke : bulls are heavy armed
[2016-06-16 15:04:04] rapidtrades : stocks down, oil down, yen dollar up
[2016-06-16 15:04:11] rapidtrades : smells like 2008
[2016-06-16 15:04:49] luckynuke : trump says the next crash is comming this year
[2016-06-16 15:05:08] rapidtrades : yeah he's gonna cause it
[2016-06-16 15:05:24] Blargwaffle : Hah, Trump can't even say coming right.
[2016-06-16 15:05:33] luckynuke : can´t stump the trump
[2016-06-16 15:05:52] rapidtrades : Trump: My crash will be YUUUUUGE!
[2016-06-16 15:06:00] luckynuke : lol
[2016-06-16 15:06:04] luckynuke : rapid where are you from
[2016-06-16 15:06:09] BTCDJS : luckynuke: trumps a douchebag
[2016-06-16 15:06:21] rapidtrades : Judea, u?
[2016-06-16 15:06:26] luckynuke : germany
[2016-06-16 15:06:34] rapidtrades : cool
[2016-06-16 15:07:32] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you're not from judea
[2016-06-16 15:07:54] luckynuke : of course he isn´t
[2016-06-16 15:08:17] BTCDJS : he is from the north east of england
[2016-06-16 15:08:28] luckynuke : hah gaaay
[2016-06-16 15:09:04] BTCDJS : luckynuke: your name is gay
[2016-06-16 15:09:21] luckynuke : says the one with the condom in his ass
[2016-06-16 15:09:50] BTCDJS : luckynuke: im not gay. My boyfriend is
[2016-06-16 15:10:05] luckynuke : i knew it
[2016-06-16 15:10:15] luckynuke : rapidtrades is your boyfriend right ?
[2016-06-16 15:10:33] BTCDJS : luckynuke: no he is my homo
[2016-06-16 15:10:38] BTCDJS : I mean homie
[2016-06-16 15:10:43] luckynuke : haha
[2016-06-16 15:10:46] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-06-16 15:21:32] luckynuke : china at 750$
[2016-06-16 15:21:38] BTCDJS : luckynuke: you ever stick a finger up your sheriffs badge while you're spanking the monkey?
[2016-06-16 15:21:56] BTCDJS : you can tell me
[2016-06-16 15:22:04] BTCDJS : Ill keep it secret
[2016-06-16 15:22:18] migz : triple green on huobi chart 12hr
[2016-06-16 15:22:18] luckynuke : what is a sheriffs badge ?
[2016-06-16 15:22:29] migz : huobi* lels
[2016-06-16 15:22:42] luckynuke : huobi
[2016-06-16 15:23:24] BTCDJS : luckynuke: take your pants off and point your bayside to mirror and widen you but cheeks. Tell me that doesn't look like a sheriffs badge
[2016-06-16 15:23:32] sizzurp : shoulda been on that drop dammit
[2016-06-16 15:23:38] BTCDJS : luckynuke: ill wait
[2016-06-16 15:23:59] luckynuke : BTCDJS: don´t know what a sheriffsbadge is
[2016-06-16 15:24:09] luckynuke : and i think i dont want to know that
[2016-06-16 15:25:14] BTCDJS : luckynuke: i think you already know. Its where your farts come out from
[2016-06-16 15:25:24] luckynuke : ah ok
[2016-06-16 15:25:36] luckynuke : the vanillafarts hm
[2016-06-16 15:28:09] sizzurp : crossing fingers for more drops
[2016-06-16 15:28:40] luckynuke : pump to 5000cny then dump
[2016-06-16 15:30:11] rapidtrades : did smone say pump
[2016-06-16 15:30:19] luckynuke : PUMP IT
[2016-06-16 15:30:37] luckynuke : nobody said pump
[2016-06-16 15:31:26] j8 : now three people said pump
[2016-06-16 15:31:28] j8 : i mean four
[2016-06-16 15:31:56] BTCDJS : no-one here said pump
[2016-06-16 15:32:39] rapidtrades : 5
[2016-06-16 15:32:43] luckynuke : who said pump ?
[2016-06-16 15:32:58] BTCDJS : you
[2016-06-16 15:33:03] luckynuke : noo
[2016-06-16 15:33:21] BTCDJS : 16:28 - luckynuke: pump to 5000cny then
[2016-06-16 15:33:31] BTCDJS : must be someone else then
[2016-06-16 15:33:50] Mr Blue : Nice drop just the p, I've been making good money shorting today, though I don't normally recommend it lol
[2016-06-16 15:34:24] rapidtrades : wtf..where's my premium
[2016-06-16 15:34:34] BTCDJS : I'm going to fomo short on the actual dump
[2016-06-16 15:34:56] BTCDJS : pooof gone
[2016-06-16 15:35:39] luckynuke : BTCDJS: that wasnt me
[2016-06-16 15:35:50] luckynuke : dumper get rek
[2016-06-16 15:36:02] rapidtrades : not worth it to take profit with 0.8% fee coming
[2016-06-16 15:36:38] BTCDJS : damn the rent is too high
[2016-06-16 15:37:01] BTCDJS : dont longs pay the fee?
[2016-06-16 15:37:13] rapidtrades : next one will be 0.8 again
[2016-06-16 15:37:26] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: yea im s
[2016-06-16 15:37:26] zanza : someone ate that XBTU16 ?
[2016-06-16 15:37:35] CaptainDean : long pay, short get the fees (part of it)
[2016-06-16 15:37:43] BTCDJS : boom
[2016-06-16 15:37:48] rapidtrades : short get all of it
[2016-06-16 15:37:49] j8 : zanza: only part, it's still there at 957.73
[2016-06-16 15:38:01] CaptainDean : ok thanks you rapidtrades
[2016-06-16 15:38:02] zanza : oh, its hidden
[2016-06-16 15:38:07] BTCDJS : well when the right time comes. Im shorting
[2016-06-16 15:39:03] rapidtrades : at current prices, 0.8% is $6 discount
[2016-06-16 15:39:10] rapidtrades : better start dumping longers
[2016-06-16 15:40:12] CaptainDean : it's only in 4 hours ?
[2016-06-16 15:40:16] j8 : no, it's $6 premium in the mark price
[2016-06-16 15:40:49] rapidtrades : CaptainDean: yes
[2016-06-16 15:41:23] j8 : if the rate is staying the same it should trade at the spot price at funding time
[2016-06-16 15:41:38] rapidtrades : j8 plz
[2016-06-16 15:41:46] rapidtrades : keep ur crazy math to urself
[2016-06-16 15:42:01] j8 : discount is when the rate is decreasing
[2016-06-16 15:42:09] rapidtrades : omfg
[2016-06-16 15:42:22] rapidtrades : guys give me a gun
[2016-06-16 15:42:33] rapidtrades : have to end my misery
[2016-06-16 15:42:43] j8 : i could go on...
[2016-06-16 15:43:01] rapidtrades : no need
[2016-06-16 15:44:12] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: if it helps I'm now going long till 750
[2016-06-16 15:45:07] gustavo7 : ATH was >800 <1200 in a matter of three days, can it happen again?
[2016-06-16 15:45:15] rapidtrades : doesn't matter to me, i'll either get it as price gain or fee
[2016-06-16 15:45:23] rapidtrades : gustavo7: yes
[2016-06-16 15:45:31] Mr Blue : Only one exchange holding spot back here and that's okc so good time to by maybe
[2016-06-16 15:45:34] rapidtrades : not likely but it can sure
[2016-06-16 15:47:38] gustavo7 : long term screams short but there should be the one long candle to mark the top
[2016-06-16 15:48:46] BTCDJS : gustavo7: some might say we past the top at 715 Finex
[2016-06-16 15:49:26] QuantFocus : The fundamentals for this rally are incredibly different from 2013
[2016-06-16 15:49:39] gustavo7 : BTCDJS: you mean the top we just topped? nah way to clear higher high
[2016-06-16 15:50:04] gustavo7 : how many more BTC are in existence since then
[2016-06-16 15:50:49] BTCDJS : we can just raise the celling the way they do with debt
[2016-06-16 15:51:01] QuantFocus : Quite a few. But...we're about to get the inflation reduction, plus significantly higher demand
[2016-06-16 15:51:39] QuantFocus : and a global macro environment, that for some crazy reason, is pushing assets into BTC as 'safe haven'
[2016-06-16 15:52:56] BTCDJS : QuantFocus: thats sounds weird to me. To think people are actually putting their money into this volatile thing as a safe haven
[2016-06-16 15:52:58] QuantFocus : A few extra billion would create a massive rally. Meanwhile, projections for trillions in capital looking for an outlet are out there
[2016-06-16 15:53:44] QuantFocus : BTCDJS: it's counterintuitive, i agree
[2016-06-16 15:54:05] gustavo7 : safe haven lol, i did that when the euro tanked but then i needed money at the worst time, even gold would've been better
[2016-06-16 15:54:13] BTCDJS : its crazy. but it just might work
[2016-06-16 15:54:16] QuantFocus : BTCDJS: however, corruption and uncertainty in currency controls (i.e. yuan), just might make btc more secure
[2016-06-16 15:54:48] BTCDJS : gustavo7: but you are one person
[2016-06-16 15:55:05] Mr Blue : gustavo7: how come? Not hard to cash out to your bank for free via services like circle.com
[2016-06-16 15:55:44] Mr Blue : Or get a Bitcoin bank card... hold money in Bitcoin and it only converts as you withdraw from the bank machine
[2016-06-16 15:55:48] gustavo7 : Mr Blue: i was able to cash out, just not at a good price ;)
[2016-06-16 15:56:06] Mr Blue : gustavo7: ahh my mistake mate sorry
[2016-06-16 15:56:18] QuantFocus : We still have grexit and brexit concerns as well
[2016-06-16 15:56:32] QuantFocus : Potentially huge destablizers in fiat
[2016-06-16 15:56:33] BTCDJS : nah
[2016-06-16 15:57:26] BinaryResult : how is realized PNL calculated?
[2016-06-16 15:57:53] luckynuke : mooooon
[2016-06-16 16:00:23] aethlios : brexit, then grexit, then collapse of italian banking system and italy exots euro, then germany announces the deutsche mark zone with strong north european countries.
[2016-06-16 16:01:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 4792 @ 739.48
[2016-06-16 16:03:40] Mr Blue : How lol
[2016-06-16 16:04:52] gustavo7 : i always lol at this chart: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/06/13/20160616_brexit2.png
[2016-06-16 16:04:57] QuantFocus : Yea. does not compute
[2016-06-16 16:05:37] Mr Blue : What did guy that just got REKT do, go long at the top x50?
[2016-06-16 16:06:04] tscha : I'm hoping for a brexit
[2016-06-16 16:07:04] QuantFocus : Mr Blue: had to. high was 755
[2016-06-16 16:07:12] QuantFocus : Mr Blue: 2.2% decline
[2016-06-16 16:07:52] Mr Blue : QuantFocus: some people crack me up lol
[2016-06-16 16:08:30] QuantFocus : Leverage: it's a privilege, not a right.
[2016-06-16 16:11:51] luckynuke : puuump
[2016-06-16 16:11:51] luckynuke : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClFbJlfUoAAwN2s.jpg:large
[2016-06-16 16:21:33] fes1974 : when i place an order long for 1000 usd and i select 50x leverage, the order value dont change at all why is that ?
[2016-06-16 16:22:07] sq : @luckynuke whats that
[2016-06-16 16:22:43] BitMEX_Wally : fes1974: 1000 USD is still 1000 USD whether you put down 20 USD or 50 USD as margin
[2016-06-16 16:23:05] BitMEX_Wally : Leverage changes the 'Cost' i.e. the amount of margin required
[2016-06-16 16:23:14] fes1974 : BitMEX_Wally: so how do i see the value when placing 50x ?
[2016-06-16 16:23:41] fes1974 : i thought i would get 50x buy amount..
[2016-06-16 16:24:05] BitMEX_Wally : Underneath the Buy and Sell buttons
[2016-06-16 16:24:39] fes1974 : there is no change
[2016-06-16 16:24:52] fes1974 : selecting 0x or 50x
[2016-06-16 16:25:28] BitMEX_Wally : 0x (or Cross) means the position is opened at 50x but your whole margin balance is used to fund it
[2016-06-16 16:25:38] BitMEX_Wally : Try 1x and 50x to see the difference
[2016-06-16 16:26:37] fes1974 : BitMEX_Wally: the cost decreases
[2016-06-16 16:26:56] BitMEX_Wally : Correct, that's leverage
[2016-06-16 16:27:16] fes1974 : i have tried it several times but i cant seem to see any difference when selling with profit
[2016-06-16 16:27:31] fes1974 : with or without leverage
[2016-06-16 16:27:34] BitMEX_Wally : A 1000 USD position is a 1000 USD position at any leverage
[2016-06-16 16:27:37] justinlooking : the leverage setting doesn't change your position size...
[2016-06-16 16:27:45] fes1974 : im obviously missing something here
[2016-06-16 16:27:53] fes1974 : oh ?
[2016-06-16 16:27:53] justinlooking : it change the amount of margin assigned to a position
[2016-06-16 16:28:12] fes1974 : so what does that mean then ?
[2016-06-16 16:28:13] BitMEX_Wally : 1000 USD position at 750 USD is worth 1.3333 XBT. At 1x you need 1.3333 XBT of available funds in your account. At 10x you need 0.1333 XBT in your accout
[2016-06-16 16:28:56] BitMEX_Wally : So if you use 50x that means you can open a position 50x bigger than your available margin, but you have to use a bigger quantity
[2016-06-16 16:29:14] fes1974 : so it doesent rise the order value size but rather how much money i shell out for a order ?
[2016-06-16 16:30:08] fes1974 : i guess im confused since poloniex use an another type of leverage
[2016-06-16 16:30:14] rapidtrades : a premium? rlly fellas
[2016-06-16 16:30:53] BitMEX_Sam : fes1974: Right - you're not choosing how much you want to spend, but how big of a position you want to open
[2016-06-16 16:30:55] BitMEX_Wally : fes1974: Decide how big a position you want, and then use the leverage selector to change how much margin you want to risk. It will change your liquidation price
[2016-06-16 16:31:02] Mr Blue : fes1974: it lowers the amount in Bitcoin you pay per $1 contact but buggers your risk, did you notice where it says a liquidation price?? That's based on spot and needs watching closely if risking x50 as you get liquidated much easier than using x10
[2016-06-16 16:31:45] BTCDJS : looks like its alive still
[2016-06-16 16:31:46] Mr Blue : But increases your risk, however the reward is also increased
[2016-06-16 16:32:50] fes1974 : ill think ill sticvk with cross then
[2016-06-16 16:33:04] fes1974 : much safer and i still make money
[2016-06-16 16:33:50] rapidtrades : http://news.forexlive.com/!/brexit-campaigns-suspended-for-the-day-after-mp-shot-20160616
[2016-06-16 16:35:14] Mr Blue : fes1974: hmm I use x10 or x25 when feeling lucky, cross seems to increase buying power massively, but I'm noob so don't trust the risk involved with that one yet.
[2016-06-16 16:36:33] fes1974 : Mr Blue: so what is the direct reward for me using forexample 10x then contra a cross order
[2016-06-16 16:36:47] fes1974 : if the price increase ona long order that is
[2016-06-16 16:37:42] Mr Blue : fes1974: no idea mate, but I make money lol, why change tactic, as I said not played with cross much yet so can't help you out with info
[2016-06-16 16:38:01] fes1974 : ok
[2016-06-16 16:39:23] fes1974 : i thought that 10x leverage would make me place an order 10x times in value like in plus500 and so on
[2016-06-16 16:39:56] fes1974 : so a 1000 dollar order would be 10000
[2016-06-16 16:40:31] lockhedge : Mr Blue: imho 99% of the traders are better off using cross. isolated margin only increases the risk of being liquidated and has no advantages if you are not trading multiple instruments
[2016-06-16 16:40:47] Mr Blue : fes1974: no it gives you x10 the amount of money to play with, but comes with a liquidation price where you could lose all if you don't buy more or sell at a loss
[2016-06-16 16:42:20] fes1974 : Mr Blue: the liqidation parts i understand. i just cant see where the 10x profit kicks in on a long order price rise
[2016-06-16 16:42:48] fes1974 : 10x times the money in should gove 10x times the profit if price rises
[2016-06-16 16:42:54] Mr Blue : lockhedge: I'll take your word on that one mate, but I'd rather have one position get liquidated, then all of them because of one bad trade an no margin left, but I already admitted I'm noob when It comes to cross, so I'll take your word sir
[2016-06-16 16:43:07] Mr Blue : fes1974: yep ?
[2016-06-16 16:45:25] rapidtrades : massive risk reversal going on right now
[2016-06-16 16:46:09] rapidtrades : cable erased all losses today
[2016-06-16 16:48:29] QuantFocus : fes1974: it's only 10x if you buy/sell 10x more of the underlying
[2016-06-16 16:48:29] tscha : justinlooking: BitMEX_Wally - you are both British, what's your opinion on the Brexit?
[2016-06-16 16:48:47] lockhedge : Mr Blue: every time you use isolated margin instead of a stop loss order you'll lose your maintenance margin to the insurance fund
[2016-06-16 16:49:28] QuantFocus : fes1974: i.e. if you have 1XBT on margin, and go 1x, then you have a $740 position. if you go 10x, you have a 10XBT position worth $7400. Therefore, your gains are based on 7400 instead of 740
[2016-06-16 16:50:04] QuantFocus : But as others have said, you can lose your entire margin balance quicker (10% move instead of 100%), by going 10x leverage
[2016-06-16 16:50:49] QuantFocus : Actually, less than 10% move, as the maintenance margin is not 0
[2016-06-16 16:51:26] Blargwaffle : Brexit is dead as that MP.
[2016-06-16 16:51:36] QuantFocus : Blargwaffle: That's messed up.
[2016-06-16 16:51:43] Blargwaffle : Struth.
[2016-06-16 16:52:23] fes1974 : QuantFocus: yeah i understand, but i cant see that anywhere when placing an order that its worth 10x more. the unrealised PNL dont show a 10x reward if it goes up in price on a long order. i cant see the difference
[2016-06-16 16:52:36] QuantFocus : fes1974: Last point...to use 10x leverage, you actually have to open a position 10x your margin balance. you can't adjust it with the margin slider
[2016-06-16 16:53:00] fes1974 : QuantFocus: ok
[2016-06-16 16:54:32] podizzle3k : i like when the goin gets tough on factom the MM bot just bounces the fuck out
[2016-06-16 16:56:07] Mr.Coins : is there a way to switch to cross margin mode?
[2016-06-16 16:56:27] fes1974 : i placed an order 10x leverage xbt long from 738 @ 1000 usd. lets see how that goes
[2016-06-16 16:57:03] elmorte : lockhedge: thank you, finally some love for the cross margin
[2016-06-16 16:59:37] fes1974 : Mr.Coins: just place the slider all the way to left
[2016-06-16 16:59:44] fes1974 : before making an order
[2016-06-16 17:00:33] j8 : man, okc is f'd. quarterly premium is capped now
[2016-06-16 17:00:36] elmorte : You can do it afterwards as well
[2016-06-16 17:01:13] elmorte : j8: is that a new development?
[2016-06-16 17:01:25] j8 : just today
[2016-06-16 17:01:26] justinlooking : tscha: I'm voting leave, but i'm very confident the result will be remain
[2016-06-16 17:01:42] Mr.Coins : fes1974: thank you :)
[2016-06-16 17:02:01] elmorte : j8: got link?
[2016-06-16 17:02:08] j8 : it got up to 15% premium earlier, now there's a limit of around $65
[2016-06-16 17:02:35] j8 : i'm logged in now and i can't buy at 813
[2016-06-16 17:02:55] elmorte : No announcement?
[2016-06-16 17:03:55] j8 : heres some people talking about it on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4obib5/daily_discussion_thursday_june_16_2016/d4bo2rn
[2016-06-16 17:04:43] j8 : i dunno, i was trading it all day and no one told me. there was nothing on the page, it just started rejecting orders and i was confused
[2016-06-16 17:06:17] elmorte : Whoa...
[2016-06-16 17:06:46] Guest64838 : ?join elmorte
[2016-06-16 17:06:59] j8 : so right now there's some big bid walls that people can close into, but no one can bid in front of
[2016-06-16 17:09:15] Elmorte-irc : Someone here looking for me?
[2016-06-16 17:09:31] rapidtrades : they can not be srs
[2016-06-16 17:10:06] j8 : yeah i'm baffled
[2016-06-16 17:10:20] rapidtrades : thats one of the scammiest things i've heard of
[2016-06-16 17:10:31] rapidtrades : so they have a wested interest in keeping prices low
[2016-06-16 17:10:37] rapidtrades : prolly short themselves
[2016-06-16 17:10:50] j8 : i have no idea why they care if it's volatile
[2016-06-16 17:10:53] elmorte : Certainly appears that way...
[2016-06-16 17:10:57] j8 : i thought it was supposed to be fomo central
[2016-06-16 17:11:21] tscha : so sleger will leave okcoin too I guess :)
[2016-06-16 17:11:46] elmorte : He's gonna start his own exchange
[2016-06-16 17:12:44] j8 : market doesn't know what to do when they can't buy up the quarterly
[2016-06-16 17:13:12] Elmorte-irc : /query NukeL
[2016-06-16 17:14:46] rapidtrades : j8: buy finex
[2016-06-16 17:15:05] Blargwaffle : Wonder if...
[2016-06-16 17:15:06] Blargwaffle :
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[2016-06-16 17:15:20] Blargwaffle : Or, were those characters stripped? :P
[2016-06-16 17:15:30] Blargwaffle : I should probably go there on my IRC client...
[2016-06-16 17:15:31] podizzle3k : nice try elmorte
[2016-06-16 17:15:48] podizzle3k : sleger raining crocodile tears right now
[2016-06-16 17:15:50] Blargwaffle :
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[2016-06-16 17:15:54] podizzle3k : lol
[2016-06-16 17:15:56] Adura : Naw, doesn't work.
[2016-06-16 17:16:07] podizzle3k : what is this porno trading chat now
[2016-06-16 17:16:14] Adura : You know it. ;)
[2016-06-16 17:16:34] podizzle3k : sleger throwing a tantrum lets see how okcoin repsonds to his concerns wuahhaha
[2016-06-16 17:16:42] Adura : huobi
[2016-06-16 17:16:48] QuantFocus : podizzle3k: ??
[2016-06-16 17:16:50] Blargwaffle : Just text, gotcha.
[2016-06-16 17:17:05] podizzle3k : QuantFocus: apparently okcoin has put a cap on quarterly price
[2016-06-16 17:17:16] QuantFocus : What's the woodchipper?
[2016-06-16 17:17:31] markimarki : i'm curios that how the mark price calculated can you tell me?
[2016-06-16 17:17:58] QuantFocus : markimarki: you can check out all contract details with the links above
[2016-06-16 17:18:06] QuantFocus : really useful resource
[2016-06-16 17:18:15] markimarki : thanks
[2016-06-16 17:18:42] QuantFocus : markimarki: it's just a little complicated to try to explain over cht
[2016-06-16 17:22:24] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price is the Kaiko BitMEX index plus the funding rate 0.8204% proportional to the time left in the funding period: https://www.kaiko.com/bitmex
[2016-06-16 17:23:37] rapidtrades : i requested withdrawal from okc and got a 'verifying screen'
[2016-06-16 17:23:43] rapidtrades : what a f scam man
[2016-06-16 17:23:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1500 @ 749.59
[2016-06-16 17:23:53] rapidtrades : now i have to wait for hrs to be contacted
[2016-06-16 17:23:58] rapidtrades : scammy cunty site
[2016-06-16 17:24:08] 1QaZxSw2 : whats verifying screen? is it kyc?