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[2016-06-15 23:28:12] BTCDJS : CrazyEarner: i was trolling and joking.
[2016-06-15 23:29:25] CrazyEarner : I know lol sold star on gox for 1000BTC and sold BTC for $1
[2016-06-15 23:29:46] BTCDJS : good trade
[2016-06-15 23:34:21] BTCDJS : fuck it. I'm making an executive decision. closing short/going long at 684.31. Let the chips fall where they may
[2016-06-15 23:35:04] rapidtrades : 684? wishful thinking imo
[2016-06-15 23:35:55] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: why? It can't just go up from here? has to be a small retrace
[2016-06-15 23:36:40] BTCDJS : 689 sound better?
[2016-06-15 23:37:32] BTCDJS : 686?
[2016-06-15 23:37:49] BTCDJS : I need sleep
[2016-06-15 23:39:56] BTCDJS : 686
[2016-06-15 23:40:54] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-06-15 23:40:55] BTCDJS : i don't even know if the alarm is going to work.
[2016-06-15 23:41:04] rapidtrades : well test it
[2016-06-15 23:41:04] BTCDJS : dont lol me
[2016-06-15 23:41:54] BTCDJS : i tried but its limited to round numbers and the price aint moving significantly right now
[2016-06-15 23:42:17] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-06-15 23:42:41] BTCDJS : 686?
[2016-06-15 23:43:03] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be short here in the first place :)
[2016-06-15 23:43:36] BTCDJS : well feed me cardboard and call me fatty. I wish I never fucking tried to be clever
[2016-06-15 23:55:26] iisss : what the fuck was that ?
[2016-06-15 23:55:54] iisss : price just dropped over 10 bucks
[2016-06-15 23:57:16] rapidtrades : dam almost hit his tp lol
[2016-06-15 23:57:20] rapidtrades : so close
[2016-06-15 23:57:36] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: what about this?http://www.tradingview.com/x/083iUkDZ
[2016-06-15 23:57:40] rapidtrades : mofo prolly up now
[2016-06-15 23:57:47] rapidtrades : there he is ^
[2016-06-15 23:58:07] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: it missed
[2016-06-15 23:58:19] rapidtrades : yeah i saw
[2016-06-16 00:01:44] luckynuke : hey people, donald trump here
[2016-06-16 00:03:41] luckynuke : ah to push the pump
[2016-06-16 00:03:42] luckynuke : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClB2m5hWEAAXNsC.jpg:large
[2016-06-16 00:04:12] BTCDJS : wtf?
[2016-06-16 00:04:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 7599 @ 700.44
[2016-06-16 00:04:41] Mr Blue : luckynuke: how far you think we're going sir? Past 714?
[2016-06-16 00:04:41] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2000 @ 701.09
[2016-06-16 00:04:59] BTCDJS : so much for that idea
[2016-06-16 00:05:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 37 @ 704.39
[2016-06-16 00:05:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 200 @ 704.83
[2016-06-16 00:06:01] REKT : :btc: :rocket: :crescent_moon:
[2016-06-16 00:06:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1576 @ 705.40
[2016-06-16 00:06:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 900 @ 705.93
[2016-06-16 00:06:53] MrRGnome : holy shit bitfinex leading
[2016-06-16 00:07:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 1500 @ 916.30
[2016-06-16 00:07:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 34300 @ 707.14 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-16 00:07:44] Mr Blue : MrRGnome: well coinbase hit 710 first ?
[2016-06-16 00:07:51] BTCDJS : OMG what a fucking bell end
[2016-06-16 00:08:07] BTCDJS : FOMO?
[2016-06-16 00:12:45] BTCDJS : wtf have I done?
[2016-06-16 00:13:41] BTCDJS : massive move down then massive move up. Who'd have thunk?
[2016-06-16 00:14:06] rapidtrades : downmove was only here tho :)
[2016-06-16 00:14:22] aethlios : too much premium in okcoin for 1 day
[2016-06-16 00:14:31] rapidtrades : aethlios: oh yea?
[2016-06-16 00:14:40] rapidtrades : i can tell u stories
[2016-06-16 00:14:50] aethlios : rapidtrades: 727 spot, index 709, as bitfinex.
[2016-06-16 00:15:24] aethlios : go long bitfinex short current weeklt.
[2016-06-16 00:17:06] aethlios : rapidtrades: premium bitmex is back
[2016-06-16 00:18:15] Mr Blue : Im sort so far only -2000 at 715.6
[2016-06-16 00:18:23] aethlios : I was sleeping and alarm above 700 wake me up.
[2016-06-16 00:18:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM16`: Buy 1482 @ 743.54
[2016-06-16 00:18:44] BTCDJS : aethlios: how do you set an alarm? which app?
[2016-06-16 00:18:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2200 @ 710.95
[2016-06-16 00:18:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 2079 @ 711.22
[2016-06-16 00:19:02] BTCDJS : fuck me
[2016-06-16 00:19:04] luckynuke : oh nice. went long 20min ago and went afk. Nice price
[2016-06-16 00:19:06] aethlios : BTCDJS: smartphone app android bitcoin checker
[2016-06-16 00:19:41] aethlios : BTCDJS: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobnetic.coinguardian&hl=el
[2016-06-16 00:20:11] BTCDJS : aethlios: I'm on apple mate
[2016-06-16 00:20:14] Mr Blue : luckynuke: grats
[2016-06-16 00:20:24] luckynuke : time to break 750
[2016-06-16 00:21:56] BTCDJS : fuck it. Im going to bed. set a buy order for 706. If it doesn't get filled Ill catch the next leg in the morning
[2016-06-16 00:22:18] luckynuke : BTCDJS: hey kotnascher
[2016-06-16 00:22:29] BTCDJS : wat?
[2016-06-16 00:23:34] luckynuke : lets see...
[2016-06-16 00:24:06] luckynuke : 470cny seems stable
[2016-06-16 00:24:08] aethlios : I need to buy more coffee....
[2016-06-16 00:24:32] rapidtrades : oh look there's that $10 premium again
[2016-06-16 00:24:37] aethlios : btc volatility highly correlated with coffee consumption.
[2016-06-16 00:25:00] aethlios : rapidtrades: too much premium across the board
[2016-06-16 00:25:19] BTCDJS : aethlios: bitcoin volatility highly correlated with inappropriate time for me.
[2016-06-16 00:25:26] rapidtrades : that's cos we're gonna moon soon @aethlios
[2016-06-16 00:25:37] rapidtrades : rockets ready
[2016-06-16 00:25:37] BTCDJS : aethlios: Alwayd busy when bitcoin moves
[2016-06-16 00:25:51] rapidtrades : fueling
[2016-06-16 00:26:01] luckynuke : maybe it´s moon already ._.
[2016-06-16 00:26:18] luckynuke : SHORT IT
[2016-06-16 00:28:15] rapidtrades : waiting for next leg higher to sell
[2016-06-16 00:28:31] rapidtrades : premium :)
[2016-06-16 00:29:15] CrazyEarner : heres comes flash crash from flash pump
[2016-06-16 00:29:15] aethlios : rapidtrades: okcoin 2% premium for 1 day, won't find it elsewhere.
[2016-06-16 00:29:40] billz : shillers mad cause they shorted this
[2016-06-16 00:29:46] rapidtrades : i'd be more comfortable after pb
[2016-06-16 00:29:52] rapidtrades : pboc
[2016-06-16 00:30:29] rapidtrades : they rly crushed that premium tho, from 20 to 10
[2016-06-16 00:32:18] aethlios : rapidtrades: sold okcoin 728 opened finex 709, either close on friday expiration or roll over okcoin to next week, depends from the cheese.
[2016-06-16 00:34:02] rapidtrades : seems fishy
[2016-06-16 00:34:18] rapidtrades : here fishy fishy fishy
[2016-06-16 00:34:34] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: why?
[2016-06-16 00:34:54] rapidtrades : its too high
[2016-06-16 00:37:45] rapidtrades : prices up so much that $14 premium is only 2% now
[2016-06-16 00:38:09] aethlios : rapidtrades: 2% for a day.
[2016-06-16 00:38:40] rapidtrades : nothing is that easy fella :)
[2016-06-16 00:39:12] aethlios : rapidtrades: that's arb. doing it since inception of futures in btc.
[2016-06-16 00:39:31] rapidtrades : technically not an arb
[2016-06-16 00:39:54] luckynuke : lol huobi at 4673 and okcoin 4716
[2016-06-16 00:40:00] rapidtrades : two different product+current risk
[2016-06-16 00:40:03] aethlios : rapidtrades: I agree on that.
[2016-06-16 00:40:09] rapidtrades : currency
[2016-06-16 00:40:30] rapidtrades : like i said id be more comfortable after pboc
[2016-06-16 00:41:01] aethlios : rapidtrades: fed was dovish today.
[2016-06-16 00:41:18] rapidtrades : fed doesn't
[2016-06-16 00:41:34] rapidtrades : matter :) lag
[2016-06-16 00:42:33] aethlios : rapidtrades: yuan is pegged to usd, so dovish fed and dollar depreciation depreciates yuan against the world also.
[2016-06-16 00:43:12] rapidtrades : the dollar isn't down tho
[2016-06-16 00:43:46] rapidtrades : ok its down 0.3%
[2016-06-16 00:44:11] aethlios : rapidtrades: because of brexit gbp holds eur down but aud nzd cad are up, dollar index is basically eur.
[2016-06-16 00:44:48] aethlios : rapidtrades: gold now 1300
[2016-06-16 00:46:42] rapidtrades : f*ck it premium down to 8, missed it
[2016-06-16 00:46:54] rapidtrades : tnx for pointing it out tho
[2016-06-16 00:46:55] aethlios : if stock market crashes buy this for the future: http://www.investing.com/equities/robo-stox-global
[2016-06-16 00:47:51] rapidtrades : those premiums were too high for this to end
[2016-06-16 00:48:20] aethlios : rapidtrades: probably we will hit 3x1% on friday.
[2016-06-16 00:48:43] rentchev : June has $30 premium
[2016-06-16 00:48:48] CrazyEarner : 750 here we come see you at the top
[2016-06-16 00:49:29] rentchev : the question is where will the top be for this weekend
[2016-06-16 00:49:45] CrazyEarner : over 900 lmfao
[2016-06-16 00:49:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 107949 @ 713.63 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-16 00:50:22] aethlios : wise thing for long traders to sell a few hours before referendum starts.
[2016-06-16 00:50:28] rentchev : CrazyEarner you are crazy lol
[2016-06-16 00:50:55] CrazyEarner : Thats me name dnt ware it out xD Been trading since early days in 2009 and got into btc mid 2010 never looked back
[2016-06-16 00:51:35] rentchev : so DPE will get big again because of this mega rekt?
[2016-06-16 00:52:35] aethlios : not so big order only 6 digits
[2016-06-16 00:55:04] rentchev : 711-712 seems t be recistance for now
[2016-06-16 00:55:16] CrazyEarner : not for long
[2016-06-16 00:55:19] CrazyEarner : xD
[2016-06-16 00:57:58] rapidtrades : this can't be the top...feels undone
[2016-06-16 00:58:09] billz : no one trading ETH here anymore because the market sucks here
[2016-06-16 00:58:24] rapidtrades : shut up bill
[2016-06-16 00:59:10] podizzle3k : yeah bill hopefully they fix the market like they fixed the xbt market
[2016-06-16 00:59:28] podizzle3k : as of right now its broke
[2016-06-16 00:59:33] CrazyEarner : gonna have feed me account with more BTC on here loving the swings this place makes never traded like this in a long time so reminds me of old London exchange n markets
[2016-06-16 00:59:51] NukeLaloosh : what is happening with it (ETHXBT), can anyone explain?
[2016-06-16 00:59:57] rentchev : ETH not moving, why trade it?
[2016-06-16 01:00:06] CrazyEarner : NukeLaloosh: its been goxed lol
[2016-06-16 01:00:07] rentchev : market is not broken
[2016-06-16 01:00:15] Mr Blue : Hehe I've been shorting the Yen
[2016-06-16 01:00:20] podizzle3k : its gonna take a mighty dip to fill those bids
[2016-06-16 01:00:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 13618 @ 716.10
[2016-06-16 01:00:45] podizzle3k : oh look speak of the devil the bid disappeared at 272
[2016-06-16 01:01:03] CrazyEarner : opps
[2016-06-16 01:01:08] podizzle3k : maybe eth market has a chance
[2016-06-16 01:01:19] podizzle3k : that bid at 265 is next
[2016-06-16 01:01:29] billz : nice
[2016-06-16 01:02:28] stf28 : going to 800?
[2016-06-16 01:02:41] aethlios : stf28: 900-950
[2016-06-16 01:02:42] billz : lets all short the shit outta ETH to arb the difference
[2016-06-16 01:02:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 4000 @ 717.98
[2016-06-16 01:03:00] billz : screw this bot that took over the market and raised prices
[2016-06-16 01:03:33] aethlios : billz: wait for swap rules to change like btc swap, now it is a trap.
[2016-06-16 01:04:49] CrazyEarner : 2.05% ROE and climbing nom nom nom
[2016-06-16 01:04:53] billz : don't think bitmex cares enough to do that but i'll wait
[2016-06-16 01:05:00] Mr Blue : Where my yen market markets gone... I hungry
[2016-06-16 01:05:25] Blargwaffle : Ah, good, I didn't need to hedge.
[2016-06-16 01:06:49] billz : woodchipper at 4850 cny wth
[2016-06-16 01:06:58] billz : moon
[2016-06-16 01:07:15] Blargwaffle : 900-1000 a week after halving still lookin' good.
[2016-06-16 01:07:39] NukeLaloosh : aethlios: what's the trap?
[2016-06-16 01:07:52] CrazyEarner : NukeLaloosh: trap gone
[2016-06-16 01:08:55] NukeLaloosh : rentchev: you the MM? any idea why ETH market isn't moving?
[2016-06-16 01:09:12] rapidtrades : he's no MM lol
[2016-06-16 01:09:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 3000 @ 719.84
[2016-06-16 01:09:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 300000 @ 719.94 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-06-16 01:10:05] NukeLaloosh : rapidtrades: you the MM?
[2016-06-16 01:10:07] rentchev : I am not MM
[2016-06-16 01:10:37] rentchev : but ETH is not moving much, why do you expect the contract to do anything else?
[2016-06-16 01:10:43] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: the trap is you can't get out in a smaller spread, also can't deposit eth to arb. so you need get paid the interest every day to keep the position and make the pumper to hurt and close spread.
[2016-06-16 01:11:30] aethlios : get paid the premium rate I mean.
[2016-06-16 01:11:38] NukeLaloosh : the rebalance should tether the price to spot, yes? the daily interest isn't even close to accounting for this differential between spot and swap
[2016-06-16 01:12:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.000625 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-16 01:12:37] NukeLaloosh : 0.0098% translates roughly to .000003 premium. not even close
[2016-06-16 01:12:38] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: true that's why the spread won't close or could go higher, if rules change and the shorter receives the premium, then spread will collapse.
[2016-06-16 01:13:32] Mr Blue : Btc-e isn't moving guess they think it's a fake out, you can now buy there and ETH $40 per BTC arbitrage
[2016-06-16 01:13:47] podizzle3k : yeah because everyone has spare fiat at btc-e
[2016-06-16 01:14:04] Mr Blue : And get*** I never put Eth lol
[2016-06-16 01:14:47] podizzle3k : you never put eth what did you put
[2016-06-16 01:15:06] 1QaZxSw2 : sweet jesus, i stepped away for an hour and its up like a 11 year old's dock
[2016-06-16 01:15:11] 1QaZxSw2 : d!ck
[2016-06-16 01:15:11] Mr Blue : podizzle3k: we if you arb you probably do, as always a cheap place to grab BTC ?
[2016-06-16 01:15:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 1 @ 729.79 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-16 01:15:38] NukeLaloosh : what's the incentive to buy here at 2705 when spot is 2590? interest doesn't account for that differential
[2016-06-16 01:15:42] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTUSD`: Buy 10000 @ 730.16
[2016-06-16 01:15:47] podizzle3k : shieeeeeet naw i aint using their shady payment processors. btc-e always way below since 2013
[2016-06-16 01:16:35] Mr Blue : podizzle3k: erm okay mate, but they've been around and so far never stolen from users
[2016-06-16 01:16:38] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: no incentive, better buy spot, now btc going up eth will start collapsing, so spread may turn to discount
[2016-06-16 01:16:39] billz : less go 5000 cny tonight
[2016-06-16 01:16:41] CrazyEarner : Thats more BTC incoming see you at 800
[2016-06-16 01:17:12] nickhnt : how da fuck this guys keep shorting so much
[2016-06-16 01:17:21] CrazyEarner : is their any limmit on BTC held on accounts here ?
[2016-06-16 01:17:39] Mr Blue : CrazyEarner: I don't think so
[2016-06-16 01:17:43] podizzle3k : mr blue im guessing the fees on their payment processors are astronomical otherwise there wouldnt always be the difference
[2016-06-16 01:18:02] REKT : :btc: :rocket: :crescent_moon:
[2016-06-16 01:18:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTU16`: Buy 66985 @ 951.12 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-06-16 01:18:09] podizzle3k : probably 5% fiat deposit fee or something
[2016-06-16 01:18:17] nickhnt : 300k one guy
[2016-06-16 01:18:21] nickhnt : then 60k another
[2016-06-16 01:18:25] Blargwaffle : Prepare to be DP'd.
[2016-06-16 01:18:31] podizzle3k : Blargwaffle: lol
[2016-06-16 01:18:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 6 @ 0.000618
[2016-06-16 01:18:43] podizzle3k : liskquidated!
[2016-06-16 01:19:13] nickhnt : this exchange is going to implode lol
[2016-06-16 01:19:29] 1QaZxSw2 : dpe is climbing
[2016-06-16 01:19:37] 1QaZxSw2 : tough sh!t
[2016-06-16 01:19:50] 1QaZxSw2 : cant buy here unless this pullsback
[2016-06-16 01:19:57] Mr Blue : podizzle3k: true but theirs ways, can still ern a good $10 per btc it's just a mess around
[2016-06-16 01:21:10] Mr Blue : Haha all the juicy sell orders on Yen market disappeared as well ?
[2016-06-16 01:21:17] CrazyEarner : Damn so quick to confirm depoosits here go damnnnn
[2016-06-16 01:21:23] CrazyEarner : now to gear up
[2016-06-16 01:21:58] Mr Blue : Wait Yen bots back in action
[2016-06-16 01:22:21] rapidtrades : where
[2016-06-16 01:22:28] rapidtrades : the f premium
[2016-06-16 01:22:36] rapidtrades : and why the lag
[2016-06-16 01:23:02] 1QaZxSw2 : the lag between what and what
[2016-06-16 01:23:12] Mr Blue : Buy yet less competition guys and guys up just the same if Bitcoin increases
[2016-06-16 01:23:15] Mr Blue : Yen
[2016-06-16 01:23:27] Mr Blue : Goes up**
[2016-06-16 01:23:43] iisss : i had 3400 contracts of BTC open, up 150%, closed the position, and my account balance went up 0.019 BTC. How is that math correct ?
[2016-06-16 01:24:32] 1QaZxSw2 : lisss, you need a math phd to figure out bitmex computations
[2016-06-16 01:24:51] iisss : this place is a fucking scam
[2016-06-16 01:24:57] aethlios : iisss: 150% is to the margin not to the gross position.
[2016-06-16 01:25:04] CrazyEarner : Math on this site is not that hard at all
[2016-06-16 01:25:13] 1QaZxSw2 : there is mark price, then dpe and then premium, fees, funding cost, other stuff that we dont even know
[2016-06-16 01:25:22] iisss : ROE was 150%
[2016-06-16 01:25:29] Mr Blue : iisss: haha ye if Bitcoin jumped 150% I'd be laughing ?
[2016-06-16 01:25:29] aethlios : i have -310% on a short, but it is possible
[2016-06-16 01:25:35] 1QaZxSw2 : ROE is just to tell you you are a genius
[2016-06-16 01:25:40] micmix : very nice sept bid up, too bad we don't have sleger to short
[2016-06-16 01:26:13] rapidtrades : srsly tho where's the f premium
[2016-06-16 01:26:24] rapidtrades : everything's gone
[2016-06-16 01:26:26] rapidtrades : gone
[2016-06-16 01:26:28] rapidtrades : gon...
[2016-06-16 01:26:50] 1QaZxSw2 : seems to be theres an $8 premium
[2016-06-16 01:27:01] rapidtrades : are u blind
[2016-06-16 01:27:44] podizzle3k : are you seriously trying to play premiums when the price is swinging $30
[2016-06-16 01:27:48] 1QaZxSw2 : 727 here and 720 on finex, isnt that what you mean?
[2016-06-16 01:27:57] podizzle3k : youre better off trying to catch dollar bills in a hurricane
[2016-06-16 01:28:01] micmix : with this funding system the premium isn't going to stay at 2+%
[2016-06-16 01:28:13] CrazyEarner : podizzle3k: Sounds like a plan
[2016-06-16 01:28:19] rapidtrades : micmix: wanna bet?
[2016-06-16 01:28:38] 1QaZxSw2 : what do you refer to as premium
[2016-06-16 01:28:49] aethlios : too much premium everywhere.
[2016-06-16 01:29:02] rapidtrades : boooooooooooooooo
[2016-06-16 01:29:03] kogroken : yuan devaluated again
[2016-06-16 01:29:12] rapidtrades : don't lie
[2016-06-16 01:29:18] micmix : will see, depends on the size of MMs pockets
[2016-06-16 01:30:21] aethlios : gold 1303
[2016-06-16 01:30:39] rapidtrades : PBOC sets USD/CNY mid-point today at 6.5739 (vs. yesterday at 6.6001)
[2016-06-16 01:30:54] kogroken : rapidtrades: http://news.forexlive.com/!/pboc-sets-usdcny-mid-point-today-at-vs-yesterday-at-66001-20160616
[2016-06-16 01:31:15] rapidtrades : yeah jew its down
[2016-06-16 01:31:19] podizzle3k : ban
[2016-06-16 01:31:19] 1QaZxSw2 : i see, thats why the chinese are fomoing like crazy
[2016-06-16 01:31:24] rapidtrades : u illiterate bastard
[2016-06-16 01:31:34] podizzle3k : ban rapidtrades
[2016-06-16 01:31:39] aethlios : rapidtrades: told you, fed dovish counted
[2016-06-16 01:32:04] rapidtrades : how stupid are u ppl? usd/cnh down means yuan up
[2016-06-16 01:32:12] podizzle3k : personal insults. plz ban
[2016-06-16 01:32:14] rapidtrades : so no u haven't told me shit
[2016-06-16 01:32:19] aethlios : didn't devalue yuan, the opposite.
[2016-06-16 01:32:29] rapidtrades : right
[2016-06-16 01:33:49] rapidtrades : weird decision, yday the moved it from 6.58 >6.60 now back down
[2016-06-16 01:33:49] kogroken : hmm, true. Read the headline too fast, sorry.
[2016-06-16 01:33:50] Mr Blue : Calm down ladies, I smell profit in the wind
[2016-06-16 01:34:53] podizzle3k : rapidtrades is salty because the premium is too low
[2016-06-16 01:34:59] aethlios : rapidtrades: they follow the fed
[2016-06-16 01:35:09] podizzle3k : hes not impressed with $50 gain in price
[2016-06-16 01:35:19] podizzle3k : no reason to go long in this kind of market when you can clean up from preimums
[2016-06-16 01:35:22] rapidtrades : ahahaha :)
[2016-06-16 01:36:07] aethlios : too much premium across the board!!!
[2016-06-16 01:36:29] podizzle3k : rapidtrades why arent you shorting the fk out of eth is the question
[2016-06-16 01:36:33] podizzle3k : plenty of premium there
[2016-06-16 01:36:54] podizzle3k : clean ou tthat 265 order for billz
[2016-06-16 01:38:54] NukeLaloosh : 5% premium with one day until rebalance. what am i missing here?
[2016-06-16 01:39:16] rapidtrades : okc?
[2016-06-16 01:39:23] aethlios : eth
[2016-06-16 01:39:46] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: rebalance won't lower the premium.
[2016-06-16 01:39:48] NukeLaloosh : yes, ETH
[2016-06-16 01:40:14] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: it is paid only once
[2016-06-16 01:40:28] NukeLaloosh : aethlios: but it will take cash from my account, won't it if I'm long?
[2016-06-16 01:41:07] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: yes but once, you can sell to the same premium and take them back.
[2016-06-16 01:41:33] aethlios : if rules to eth change as in btc, I will kill the premium personally.
[2016-06-16 01:41:57] NukeLaloosh : the rule change being the 8 hr funding instead of 24-hr?
[2016-06-16 01:42:32] rapidtrades : no the charging of the premium
[2016-06-16 01:42:34] podizzle3k : i think the rule was the funding takes into account the premium
[2016-06-16 01:42:48] aethlios : NukeLaloosh: basically is to use daily funding rate the premium rate, so every day you will receive 5% being short
[2016-06-16 01:43:24] 1QaZxSw2 : $9 premium here
[2016-06-16 01:43:31] BitMEX_Arthur : aethlios: all swaps will move to the new system by the end of next week
[2016-06-16 01:43:45] 1QaZxSw2 : any documentation on the new system?
[2016-06-16 01:43:45] BitMEX_Arthur : we will send a formal announcement giving 7 days notice shortly
[2016-06-16 01:44:04] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: this inside info can make us sure money, so eth system will be like btc??
[2016-06-16 01:44:24] aethlios : let's arb eth....
[2016-06-16 01:44:36] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/swapsGuide
[2016-06-16 01:44:45] stf28 : wow that spike bfx
[2016-06-16 01:44:55] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Arthur: thanks.
[2016-06-16 01:45:22] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Arthur: also thanks for 1 week notice
[2016-06-16 01:46:05] BitMEX_Arthur : From that time we announce it will go into effect 7 days later
[2016-06-16 01:46:13] aethlios : premium will collapse in a few minutes.
[2016-06-16 01:46:20] BitMEX_Arthur : so it will not be as abrupt as last weekend
[2016-06-16 01:46:24] NukeLaloosh : let the games begin?
[2016-06-16 01:46:28] rapidtrades : aethlios: nope
[2016-06-16 01:47:19] aethlios : rapidtrades: shorted 1000 eth bitmex, bought 1000 eth polo. wait now.
[2016-06-16 01:47:57] 1QaZxSw2 : aethlios: thats some serious arbitrage
[2016-06-16 01:48:55] miramm1115 : aethlios: thanks for helping me close the short
[2016-06-16 01:49:20] rapidtrades : hehe
[2016-06-16 01:49:49] aethlios : 10000 eth at 0.0265
[2016-06-16 01:49:54] rentchev : lol
[2016-06-16 01:50:06] rapidtrades : one man's gain is another man's arb
[2016-06-16 01:51:09] rapidtrades : aethlios: guess its not closing within minutes
[2016-06-16 01:51:31] aethlios : rapidtrades: the market is not efficient
[2016-06-16 01:51:45] rapidtrades : u don't say...
[2016-06-16 01:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 750 @ 76715.00000
[2016-06-16 01:52:08] aethlios : rapidtrades: new info needs time, also the bot maker sleeps or doesn't read us.
[2016-06-16 01:52:38] 1QaZxSw2 : here we go
[2016-06-16 01:53:10] rapidtrades : go where
[2016-06-16 01:54:13] rapidtrades : did we even break previous highs
[2016-06-16 01:55:00] ted : is it a good idea to short eth 20,000 now?
[2016-06-16 01:55:39] Mr Blue : ted: no not unless theirs a buy for that much
[2016-06-16 01:56:48] Mr Blue : ted: I just shorted Eth and made a little money, but 20,000 might take some time to short at the top
[2016-06-16 01:57:39] rapidtrades : that LIQ is now up to 400k
[2016-06-16 01:58:35] ted : seems eth/btc have reverted back to their inverse relationship
[2016-06-16 01:59:14] podizzle3k : not really ted
[2016-06-16 01:59:57] ted : seems so by the charts
[2016-06-16 02:00:09] podizzle3k : take a look at eth/usd at kraken or bitfinex
[2016-06-16 02:00:18] podizzle3k : it didnt fall at all
[2016-06-16 02:00:25] podizzle3k : thats the way to tell
[2016-06-16 02:01:04] ted : can post charts here?
[2016-06-16 02:01:14] podizzle3k : you can post a link sure
[2016-06-16 02:01:14] 1QaZxSw2 : shorts got such a lesson on rektology
[2016-06-16 02:01:30] ted : your looking at the usd price pod?
[2016-06-16 02:01:32] ted : https://www.coinigy.com/s/i/57620853/
[2016-06-16 02:01:38] ted : the btc/eth fallign
[2016-06-16 02:02:28] podizzle3k : yeah i dont think that indicates anything other than bitcoin went up
[2016-06-16 02:02:39] rapidtrades : china dropped 100 yuan from highs right there
[2016-06-16 02:02:40] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: haha some how I shorted 717 and still got out with a profit, but ye dead bears all over the place lol
[2016-06-16 02:02:52] ted : and eth/btc went down, inverse correlation is back
[2016-06-16 02:03:01] 1QaZxSw2 : i exited at scratch earlier short
[2016-06-16 02:03:02] podizzle3k : if eth/usd fell when btc/usd rise then you can say inverse correlation is in play
[2016-06-16 02:03:09] 1QaZxSw2 : long now, hoping 740 on spot
[2016-06-16 02:03:11] rapidtrades : ok that's only $15 :)
[2016-06-16 02:03:37] ted : btc got another 65$ to run here
[2016-06-16 02:04:00] 1QaZxSw2 : sheeyat if this keeps going up $100 a day
[2016-06-16 02:04:12] 1QaZxSw2 : its like the old days, shit cant last longer than a week or two
[2016-06-16 02:04:15] ted : ah i get you meaning podz, I'm so used to looking at the btc/eth price
[2016-06-16 02:04:23] Mr Blue : podizzle3k: who cares if you paid for the ETH with BTC you still lose, as Eth/btc gone down even if Fiat price stays stable
[2016-06-16 02:04:26] billz : @ted nope it fell literally 0.001
[2016-06-16 02:04:46] podizzle3k : youre not losing
[2016-06-16 02:04:48] podizzle3k : youre just not winning
[2016-06-16 02:04:58] podizzle3k : actually you are winning a bit if you look at eth/usd it crept up a tad
[2016-06-16 02:04:59] rapidtrades : WINNING
[2016-06-16 02:05:05] Mr Blue : Your losing BTC that's a loss lol
[2016-06-16 02:05:27] podizzle3k : i guess if your goal is to obtain btc
[2016-06-16 02:05:30] podizzle3k : i prefer to obtain usd
[2016-06-16 02:05:40] rapidtrades : +1
[2016-06-16 02:05:41] podizzle3k : its what i pay for stuff with
[2016-06-16 02:05:41] ted : but its still fair to say that eth/btc have gone back into their usual inverse correlation
[2016-06-16 02:06:01] podizzle3k : appears that way
[2016-06-16 02:06:17] 1QaZxSw2 : how many of you are fomosexual?
[2016-06-16 02:06:26] Mr Blue : podizzle3k: erm good for you, but I trade for more BTC, and like I said only bad trade if you paid it btc if not your all good
[2016-06-16 02:06:27] ted : thats a good one
[2016-06-16 02:06:34] podizzle3k : what about rohmosexual
[2016-06-16 02:06:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 4 @ 0.000611 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-16 02:07:03] 1QaZxSw2 : well there's an old saying in the trading world: fomosexuals will be hurt in the rektum
[2016-06-16 02:07:14] podizzle3k : lol thats not true
[2016-06-16 02:07:15] 1QaZxSw2 : well actually, i just made it up
[2016-06-16 02:07:42] 1QaZxSw2 : because it sounded clever. sorry im drunk and sleepy
[2016-06-16 02:07:50] podizzle3k : i liked it
[2016-06-16 02:08:44] rapidtrades : more juice left in the rocket
[2016-06-16 02:09:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `LSKXBT`: Sell 99 @ 0.000607
[2016-06-16 02:10:10] Mr Blue : Lol
[2016-06-16 02:12:36] podizzle3k : LLLLLISQUIDATED
[2016-06-16 02:12:45] QuantFocus : podizzle3k: lol
[2016-06-16 02:12:58] 1QaZxSw2 : is rekt a bot?
[2016-06-16 02:13:05] podizzle3k : haha yea
[2016-06-16 02:13:13] podizzle3k : u think someone is that dedicated to copy and paste it 24/7
[2016-06-16 02:13:36] QuantFocus : Pissed I closed out my long on the weakness indication last night
[2016-06-16 02:13:45] podizzle3k : REKT is passionate about liquidations
[2016-06-16 02:13:52] podizzle3k : QuantFocus: no worries get the next one
[2016-06-16 02:14:03] QuantFocus : podizzle3k: gotta get back in on a dip
[2016-06-16 02:14:51] adsf : lsk is getting rekt
[2016-06-16 02:15:36] 1QaZxSw2 : well, it was a flavor of the week
[2016-06-16 02:16:03] 1QaZxSw2 : lisk week is like shark week. when its happening, thats all you think about, but once its gone you focus on real life
[2016-06-16 02:19:26] QuantFocus : Anyone else think eth is dominated by legitimate institutional capital?
[2016-06-16 02:19:46] QuantFocus : I'm blown away. i don't see the tech being worth $20/unit
[2016-06-16 02:20:14] 1QaZxSw2 : if i buy 10k contracts at 732 and sell at 742 at 25x, is my profit 10*10K*25?
[2016-06-16 02:20:36] QuantFocus : No.
[2016-06-16 02:20:52] QuantFocus : It's the 10K contracts x $10
[2016-06-16 02:21:15] 1QaZxSw2 : what does the 25x do? only set liq price?
[2016-06-16 02:21:30] QuantFocus : It allows you to use a smaller deposit as collateral.
[2016-06-16 02:21:52] 1QaZxSw2 : ok so i make $10/contract? cant be. that means i would make $100k
[2016-06-16 02:21:57] aethlios : 1QaZxSw2: you need 0.55 btc to buy 10.000 contracts with 25x
[2016-06-16 02:22:16] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: yes, that's correct.
[2016-06-16 02:22:43] aethlios : 1QaZxSw2: 10.000 contracts is 13.5 btc, so you make 135 usd
[2016-06-16 02:22:45] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: no your like 12 btc in the 10k so call it $120 profit - fee's
[2016-06-16 02:22:54] QuantFocus : Erm. Sorry, my fault. Each contract is $1 USD on xbt
[2016-06-16 02:23:18] Mr Blue : aethlios: well done sir mine was a quick guesstimate
[2016-06-16 02:23:39] 1QaZxSw2 : shit 10k contracts only make $135?
[2016-06-16 02:23:43] aethlios : we need to educate new bitmex traders
[2016-06-16 02:24:40] Mr Blue : 1QaZxSw2: on a $10 sing, but think about $100 ? the more the have the more you can make I guess
[2016-06-16 02:24:45] Mr Blue : Swing
[2016-06-16 02:25:06] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: (742/732) - 1 = 1.366% increase on $10,000
[2016-06-16 02:25:24] QuantFocus : Hence the $137 profit
[2016-06-16 02:25:40] 1QaZxSw2 : QuantFocus: thanks
[2016-06-16 02:25:51] aethlios : but with 25x is 34% return!!!
[2016-06-16 02:25:51] QuantFocus : Cheers
[2016-06-16 02:26:03] QuantFocus : aethlios: exactly.
[2016-06-16 02:26:16] 1QaZxSw2 : so i need to overleverage it
[2016-06-16 02:26:32] QuantFocus : Only takes .55btc to take out a $10000 position
[2016-06-16 02:26:33] 1QaZxSw2 : but thats how everyone gets into rektistan
[2016-06-16 02:27:12] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: So, word to the wise...just because you CAN use 25x leverage, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
[2016-06-16 02:27:52] rapidtrades : or alternatively, should
[2016-06-16 02:27:58] QuantFocus : Heh
[2016-06-16 02:28:14] QuantFocus : Depends on how confident you are I suppose
[2016-06-16 02:28:17] aethlios : 25x is like buying a call option
[2016-06-16 02:28:57] QuantFocus : aethlios: Hadn't thought of it that way, but makes sense.
[2016-06-16 02:29:11] 1QaZxSw2 : now if my entry price and exit price are what determine my profit, why does ROE show -ve price even tho im above my buy price?
[2016-06-16 02:29:16] QuantFocus : Except your position can be terminated early
[2016-06-16 02:29:38] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: are you looking at the mark price, or current market price?
[2016-06-16 02:30:16] 1QaZxSw2 : current price is above my entry price but i guess mark price is below. but mark price does not factor except for liquidation, right?
[2016-06-16 02:30:34] QuantFocus : mark price is used to calculate your roe
[2016-06-16 02:30:41] 1QaZxSw2 : if i buy and sell above, i make a profit regardless of what mark price is?
[2016-06-16 02:30:46] QuantFocus : yes
[2016-06-16 02:30:56] QuantFocus : realized roe might differ from unrealized
[2016-06-16 02:30:57] 1QaZxSw2 : well ROE is confusing as f____
[2016-06-16 02:31:16] QuantFocus : Typically though, they should be fairly close.
[2016-06-16 02:31:34] QuantFocus : People are paying a premium now, however, so your unrealized appears lower.
[2016-06-16 02:31:43] 1QaZxSw2 : right yes
[2016-06-16 02:31:52] 1QaZxSw2 : im beginning to understand this stuff
[2016-06-16 02:31:57] BitMEX_Wally : Unrealised ROE is just your Unrealised PNL % multiplied by the leverage setting
[2016-06-16 02:31:58] 1QaZxSw2 : its not str8fwd
[2016-06-16 02:32:25] QuantFocus : Hey @BitMEX_Wally, just curious how often the leaderboard updates?
[2016-06-16 02:32:37] BitMEX_Wally : Leaderboard updates after rebalance I think
[2016-06-16 02:32:55] BitMEX_Wally : So that you cannot sniff out users' positions
[2016-06-16 02:33:15] QuantFocus : Well...I've closed out positions and should technically be on there.
[2016-06-16 02:33:24] 1QaZxSw2 : BitMEX_Wally: that's smart.
[2016-06-16 02:33:26] QuantFocus : Not that it matters, but I guess i'm conceited
[2016-06-16 02:33:43] QuantFocus : But my name is not up there
[2016-06-16 02:33:50] BitMEX_Wally : The realised PNL you've earnt is in your wallet as a pending CashRebalance.
[2016-06-16 02:33:51] 1QaZxSw2 : QuantFocus: if you dont mind us asking, like whats your profit
[2016-06-16 02:34:05] 1QaZxSw2 : QuantFocus: i think it uses psuedo nyms
[2016-06-16 02:34:07] BitMEX_Wally : As it is pending it does not count yet
[2016-06-16 02:34:31] QuantFocus : BitMEX_Wally: Ah ok.
[2016-06-16 02:34:59] QuantFocus : 1QaZxSw2: I'm small fry, but enough to be on leaderboard :)
[2016-06-16 02:39:56] miramm1115 : looks like there is a hidden sell order on LTC @0.00745, you can close your shorts if you want
[2016-06-16 02:40:10] rapidtrades : 2 failed arbs, this stupid market can get fkced
[2016-06-16 02:40:48] aethlios : rapidtrades: okcoin index below bitfinex.
[2016-06-16 02:45:19] QuantFocus : I think I hate eth.
[2016-06-16 02:45:41] QuantFocus : But only because it doesn't do what I want.
[2016-06-16 02:57:38] j8 : there's a big liquidation on XBTU16 and it's over half of open interest. DPE is gonna go up fast if it doesn't fill. if you're long you might want to close here
[2016-06-16 02:58:13] micmix : j8: I closed my long and shorted a bit of it
[2016-06-16 02:58:22] micmix : but had only small long
[2016-06-16 02:58:54] micmix : my bot couldn't buy much at good price
[2016-06-16 02:59:26] j8 : yeah i'm out completely. it's too bad, i liked that position. but, i think deleveraging is the right thing to do
[2016-06-16 03:00:01] micmix : you can't exit fast when you need the extra margin
[2016-06-16 03:00:30] micmix : I mean there is no enough liquidity to exit fast
[2016-06-16 03:00:40] j8 : pretty much never
[2016-06-16 03:01:39] Rado : j8: if you are short and there is a big DPE do you still get affected by it?
[2016-06-16 03:01:43] QuantFocus : j8: wait. why would short liquidation be bad for longs?
[2016-06-16 03:01:54] Rado : <-- rentchev by the way
[2016-06-16 03:02:29] QuantFocus : j8: or are you saying a someone went long at the top?
[2016-06-16 03:02:32] micmix : longs are in profit so DPE is bad for longs
[2016-06-16 03:02:49] j8 : it's a liquidated short from probably way low
[2016-06-16 03:03:07] QuantFocus : Guess I need to read up on how DPE works...
[2016-06-16 03:03:14] j8 : it's just huge compared to the usual liquidity on that market
[2016-06-16 03:03:23] elmorte : j8: if you close, you don't take a haircut?
[2016-06-16 03:03:26] rapidtrades : QuantFocus: its clawback basically
[2016-06-16 03:04:01] QuantFocus : rapidtrades: clawback against all open positions?
[2016-06-16 03:04:05] j8 : elmorte: you do, but losses start from this point, so i won't have the same kind of runaway losses
[2016-06-16 03:04:21] j8 : i.e. i've capped my own pnl on that market
[2016-06-16 03:04:41] mbaril : will the funding of 12h affect the price
[2016-06-16 03:04:41] micmix : plus closing into liquidation helps to clear it and reduce DPE
[2016-06-16 03:04:49] mbaril : like evertime we are near the funding ?
[2016-06-16 03:05:01] j8 : yeah i've done my civic duty
[2016-06-16 03:05:06] mbaril : If so I will close my long :p
[2016-06-16 03:05:31] rapidtrades : it might :)
[2016-06-16 03:05:43] mbaril : rapidtrades can you explain why
[2016-06-16 03:05:51] mbaril : only long paid the funding fee? or short also ?
[2016-06-16 03:06:04] rapidtrades : long
[2016-06-16 03:06:15] mbaril : ok so people close there long to avoid funding fee
[2016-06-16 03:06:19] mbaril : make sense
[2016-06-16 03:06:20] Rado : j8: where can I see the DPE on each contract?
[2016-06-16 03:07:02] rapidtrades : %
[2016-06-16 03:07:26] micmix : j8: I miss sleger, he would short into that liq and help everyone :wink:
[2016-06-16 03:07:30] j8 : beside the spot price / mark price
[2016-06-16 03:07:46] j8 : micmix: yeah he's the only one with the guts
[2016-06-16 03:08:00] rapidtrades : and the $
[2016-06-16 03:08:16] j8 : is this gonna be a late night for me
[2016-06-16 03:08:27] mbaril : Iguess soo :p
[2016-06-16 03:08:32] mbaril : like everyone
[2016-06-16 03:08:33] j8 : coffee time
[2016-06-16 03:08:42] mbaril : damn trading always keep me awake late :P
[2016-06-16 03:08:42] Rado : If I don't have a position I can't see the DPE?
[2016-06-16 03:09:05] Rado : coffee is always good
[2016-06-16 03:09:06] rapidtrades : its right there in gray %%%%%%%%%%%%%