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[2015-08-11 04:24:33] chrisxbt : Their UI is slightly interesting
[2015-08-11 04:25:06] chrisxbt : You have to download it which is hell for onboarding but it's customizable. All the boxes are movable
[2015-08-11 04:28:50] BitMEX_Arthur : Do you like the UI
[2015-08-11 04:28:53] BitMEX_Arthur : I will have to check it out
[2015-08-11 04:31:21] j8 : the site was nothing special, i guess you're talking about the app
[2015-08-11 04:41:24] centurygate : Thanks for the notice about CNY deval
[2015-08-11 04:41:53] centurygate : I just bought BTC with all my CNY and hedged it in the USD futures market
[2015-08-11 04:42:29] centurygate : basically the CNY market has not priced this move in
[2015-08-11 04:43:03] BitMEX_Arthur : BTCCNY still trading $3 cheap
[2015-08-11 04:46:24] centurygate : going to work the CNY spread via ok futs vs. bex
[2015-08-11 04:46:39] BitMEX_Arthur : can you get onto okc.com
[2015-08-11 04:46:45] BitMEX_Arthur : I have been trying but seems the site is down
[2015-08-11 04:46:46] centurygate : yes
[2015-08-11 04:47:15] j8 : i wonder what rate they'll use for settlement this week. they have a weird system i think
[2015-08-11 04:47:42] BitMEX_Arthur : Seems the fx rate is correct
[2015-08-11 04:47:49] BitMEX_Arthur : USDCNY 6.2
[2015-08-11 04:50:18] ksinvest : okcoin.com definitly has some downtime issues today, or they are only blocking Arthur and me
[2015-08-11 04:52:39] goat : you guys are probably making too much money and throwing their books out of whack
[2015-08-11 04:53:18] BitMEX_Arthur : :)
[2015-08-11 04:53:28] j8 : kicked out of the casino
[2015-08-11 04:53:38] BitMEX_Arthur : Litecoin could catch a good bid here
[2015-08-11 04:53:41] j8 : lucky they didn't break your legs
[2015-08-11 04:53:45] BitMEX_Arthur : I think this is more historic than Greece
[2015-08-11 04:54:05] BitMEX_Arthur : Europe is a sideshow compared to what the PBOC can do for risk assets
[2015-08-11 04:54:10] Yumi : I have Isolate Margin enabled on one position, when I open or close a position and its added or removed from Open Positions tab the check mark of Isolate Margin jumps to different position than its supposed to be at. Refreshing the page fixes it but it was confusing me a lot at start.
[2015-08-11 04:55:03] BitMEX_Arthur : You open a position, check isolate margin, then close the position so your net quantity is 0, then reopen a position and isolate margin is not checked?
[2015-08-11 04:56:04] Yumi : I have position with isolate margin open all the time, when new positon is added or remove from the tab of open positions the mark jumps to diff one
[2015-08-11 04:56:05] j8 : i've had the same issue. sam made some progress on it but it's still showing up occasionally i guess
[2015-08-11 04:56:30] BitMEX_Arthur : ah ok
[2015-08-11 04:58:40] goat : it looked like bfx was running more alphapoint tests before
[2015-08-11 04:58:54] goat : things calmed down now - http://bfws.alphapoint.com/
[2015-08-11 04:59:05] goat : they were quickly placing bids and asks, looks like stress testing the system
[2015-08-11 05:16:41] ksinvest : so this is the new websocket API? wws://apws.bitfinex.com:8086/WSGateway/ or is this a testnet were they are simulating trades?
[2015-08-11 05:19:03] ksinvest : some trades happen a bit earlier, some a bit later than on their other unofficial api, maybe timestamps are wrong
[2015-08-11 05:24:27] j8 : i'm not sure what it is. that's the one that the bfws.alphapoint.com site uses right
[2015-08-11 05:31:28] ksinvest : yes
[2015-08-11 05:58:25] cengel : insanely tight spreads on XBUZ15
[2015-08-11 06:39:04] chromaticcr : ETH margin trading on polenix, have fun arbbing
[2015-08-11 06:39:20] chromaticcr : the rates of lending is like 2%/day
[2015-08-11 06:40:29] BitMEX_Arthur : Really
[2015-08-11 06:40:35] BitMEX_Arthur : That is bearish
[2015-08-11 06:42:19] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: Hi, I want to ask about the reference exchange for eth7D, is it only kraken? thanks
[2015-08-11 06:45:44] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we only use Kraken for now
[2015-08-11 06:47:49] chrisxbt : I think which exchange rate they'll use is in the documentation
[2015-08-11 06:48:51] j8 : yeah, it's changed in the past and i haven't kept up.
[2015-08-11 06:57:22] BitMEX_Arthur : Little rally building here
[2015-08-11 09:21:34] cengel : XLT7D 296 contracts at 13.738 08-10 15:51:37
[2015-08-11 09:21:37] cengel : is that a misprint?
[2015-08-11 09:22:02] BitMEX_Wally : Nope
[2015-08-11 09:22:04] BitMEX_Wally : Someone fat fingered I think
[2015-08-11 09:22:21] BitMEX_Wally : Or a run-away bot
[2015-08-11 09:25:36] cengel : lol @ the guy with 1 contract @ 290 on XLT7D
[2015-08-11 09:27:58] cengel : thats some hopeful wick catching
[2015-08-11 09:28:43] TraderStefan : I noticed that the fees reference page no longer mentions the Trader/Hedger fee schedules. Are they being phased out?
[2015-08-11 09:30:19] TraderStefan : It's still an option in account settings
[2015-08-11 09:54:45] BitMEX_Wally : All fees are currently 0 so it's a bit academic
[2015-08-11 09:55:22] TraderStefan : Yeah I was just wondering
[2015-08-11 11:27:13] goat : cengel: i had some asks up there for a while too
[2015-08-11 11:27:47] goat : i was surprised at the limit up price, only because it didn't seem proportional compared to the btc limit up
[2015-08-11 11:27:53] goat : but i asked arthur and he explained it
[2015-08-11 11:29:06] goat : i was looking at the XBU contracts, not XBT when comparing
[2015-08-11 12:03:38] azurelake : Wally: Since all the fees are currently 0, could you allow us to change the Trader/Hedger fee schedules without the need to be flat (in anticipation to september 1)
[2015-08-11 12:05:44] BitMEX_Wally : azurelake: Yes I think you should already be able to change
[2015-08-11 12:09:17] azurelake : I can't, the radio button is grayed out
[2015-08-11 12:12:01] azurelake : Neither it was possible to switch when I was flat XBU.
[2015-08-11 12:12:32] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, if you send an API request it will probably work
[2015-08-11 12:12:38] BitMEX_Wally : Otherwise Sam can help
[2015-08-11 12:14:59] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/user/updateMe
[2015-08-11 12:15:18] BitMEX_Wally : `accountType` can be `Hedger` or `Trader`
[2015-08-11 12:17:11] azurelake : Thanks Wally, will try that
[2015-08-11 12:28:59] azurelake : Done :-)
[2015-08-11 12:31:52] VanCleef : any new tutorial videos lately?
[2015-08-11 12:32:07] VanCleef : some real ELI5 stuff
[2015-08-11 13:18:10] BitMEX_Arthur : VanCleef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEMjYgPjQX0
[2015-08-11 13:18:17] BitMEX_Arthur : Goes through our Basic UI
[2015-08-11 16:04:59] Kiran : Orderbook still getting mixed up in firefox
[2015-08-11 16:06:49] cengel : Okay good so its not just me
[2015-08-11 16:07:15] cengel : @Kiran when you switch contracts it shows the old content of orderbook right?
[2015-08-11 16:07:19] cengel : and not all the tim
[2015-08-11 16:09:05] Kiran : Not always but usually
[2015-08-11 16:09:37] Kiran : Can't find pattern
[2015-08-11 16:47:25] cengel : are you also on windows10?
[2015-08-11 16:47:29] cengel : we both using firefox
[2015-08-11 16:50:49] Kiran : Ubuntu
[2015-08-11 17:10:51] BitMEX_Sam : Let me know if you find a pattern - going to go through the site a few dozen times in FF
[2015-08-11 17:28:33] cengel : im also using ad block plus
[2015-08-11 17:29:27] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: That shouldn't be an issue, we don't have any external scripts
[2015-08-11 17:33:14] Kiran : It will actually show like its refreshing and then go back to the last contract's orderbook
[2015-08-11 18:01:55] cengel : +1 same exact for me
[2015-08-11 18:01:59] cengel : also Recent Trades
[2015-08-11 18:02:17] cengel : cant nail a pattern though other than its not all the time
[2015-08-11 18:06:05] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: Keep me posted, if you can replicate it and see any messages in the console let me know.
[2015-08-11 18:06:13] BitMEX_Sam : I've never seen the issue and can't replicate it in firefox.
[2015-08-11 18:21:56] Blargwaffle : Talking about that type/date dropdown sync issue?
[2015-08-11 18:23:15] BitMEX_Sam : Blargwaffle: Seems that sometimes when switching some users are seeing trades/orderbook not reload properly
[2015-08-11 18:23:58] Blargwaffle : Yeah, I tend to make sure to use the type then the date to avoid that.
[2015-08-11 18:25:04] BitMEX_Sam : When just choosing the date, you've seen it get out of sync?
[2015-08-11 18:25:47] Blargwaffle : Type alone usually causes it. Can't reproduce it, though.
[2015-08-11 18:26:18] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe it has something to do latency - will run some tests
[2015-08-11 18:28:48] j8 : i've seen it occasionally, and the whole interface is not very responsive those times.
[2015-08-11 19:18:59] cengel : and it hangs indefinitely, doesn't always synch up if you wait
[2015-08-11 19:19:27] cengel : @blargwaffle youre firefox also?
[2015-08-11 19:19:38] Blargwaffle : I am human.
[2015-08-11 19:19:45] Blargwaffle : But, using Firefox, yes.
[2015-08-11 19:20:33] BitMEX_Sam : I haven't been able to reproduce, but I'm pushing an update that fixes one potential way this could happen
[2015-08-11 19:20:44] BitMEX_Sam : In any case it clears up after a refresh, right?
[2015-08-11 19:20:49] cengel : yes
[2015-08-11 19:21:08] cengel : maybe even a refresh button on the panels would be easier than refreshing whole page though
[2015-08-11 19:21:33] BitMEX_Sam : Agreed, but it's supposed to be automatic - those panels should never get out of sync
[2015-08-11 19:22:58] cengel : i thought it was only me but finally others speaking up :)
[2015-08-11 19:24:09] BitMEX_Sam : Ok - update rolled. Refresh to get it. If you see the issue again please let me know
[2015-08-11 19:29:14] cengel : it almost hurt me on a trade before too because i was submitting orders thinking it was a crazy deal on BVOL7D but it was BVOL24H
[2015-08-11 19:30:13] ssa3512 : Man we need to get some more liquidity up in here
[2015-08-11 19:30:36] ssa3512 : I am loving the GUI
[2015-08-11 19:30:51] BitMEX_Sam : :) Liquidity is a constant battle but it gets better with time
[2015-08-11 19:30:54] BitMEX_Sam : Welcome
[2015-08-11 19:30:59] ssa3512 : thanks :)
[2015-08-11 19:31:07] ssa3512 : been playing on ETH
[2015-08-11 19:31:10] ssa3512 : already up 25%
[2015-08-11 19:31:19] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah it's a good day for that
[2015-08-11 19:31:54] ssa3512 : no kidding. just playing the spread has been quite lucrative
[2015-08-11 19:34:22] ssa3512 : BitMEX_Sam: saw you filed for bitlicense
[2015-08-11 19:34:41] ssa3512 : Does that mean straight up USD/BTC trading in the future?
[2015-08-11 19:38:19] BitMEX_Sam : ssa3512: You may have misread that, we have not filed.
[2015-08-11 19:38:30] ssa3512 : oh
[2015-08-11 19:38:59] BitMEX_Sam : We don't plan to do fiat in the near future, but it is not ruled out for the end of the year
[2015-08-11 19:39:06] ssa3512 : I thought I saw a stack of paperwork on twitter
[2015-08-11 19:39:11] BitMEX_Sam : Not ours
[2015-08-11 19:42:17] ssa3512 : It's kinda bizarre. I'm staying with some family in NY this week and some of the sites I normally go to are blocking based on GeoIP
[2015-08-11 19:42:43] ssa3512 : woah your trollbox is rearranging words
[2015-08-11 19:44:03] BitMEX_Sam : Rearranging words?
[2015-08-11 19:44:40] BitMEX_Sam : There is an HTML sanitizer that runs on any input, it may have deleted any tags you might have put in
[2015-08-11 19:47:26] ssa3512 : Not sure, my message that had GeoIP in it showed in a different order than I submitted temporarily
[2015-08-11 19:47:44] ssa3512 : also arbitrary capitalization of thing
[2015-08-11 19:50:09] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry, capitalization of what?
[2015-08-11 19:50:15] BitMEX_Sam : Trying to figure out what you saw :)
[2015-08-11 19:52:04] ssa3512 : it seems like what I type goes into the chat box differently than what I type, then is processed through something and ends up correct
[2015-08-11 19:53:46] BitMEX_Sam : Not sure how that would be possible - could be a display issue on your end, I've seen Chrome do some wacky things with hardware acceleration in the last few releases
[2015-08-11 19:54:05] BitMEX_Sam : But chat messages hit the server first before they are returned to you, you don't see them half-processed
[2015-08-11 19:56:01] ssa3512 : I am in chrome with hw acceleration
[2015-08-11 19:56:09] ssa3512 : I'll turn it off and see what happens
[2015-08-11 19:59:41] ssa3512 : man people are pushing ether way up
[2015-08-11 20:18:18] 598X0T45 : which area do I go to, to enable 2FA
[2015-08-11 20:18:58] 598X0T45 : nvm got it
[2015-08-11 21:25:05] ssa3512 : BitMEX_Sam: limit orders soon I hope?
[2015-08-11 21:25:14] ssa3512 : or rather stop limit
[2015-08-11 21:46:28] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: i'm having the issue with the isolate margin button again. it's displaying as checked on the wrong row
[2015-08-11 21:46:58] j8 : fixes after a refresh but it's happened twice today
[2015-08-12 00:39:11] goat : 598X0T45: nice to see you here
[2015-08-12 00:39:17] goat : glad to see you finally made the switch
[2015-08-12 00:43:12] ksinvest : still 200 at 271.28 on XBU24H, never seen a market maker being so short-term bullish here
[2015-08-12 00:47:23] ksinvest : now it updated to 270.56, seems to be some VWAP based bug
[2015-08-12 01:08:58] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Thanks for the note, pushing an update now that prevents switching instruments when you hit isolate margin, pretty sure that was causing it combined with an unstable sort
[2015-08-12 01:12:48] billyboy402 : guys , i wa margin call eth at 4.155 , that cant be right ?
[2015-08-12 01:13:25] billyboy402 : i thought the market price wouldnt iof gone up so far
[2015-08-12 01:14:17] goat : billyboy402: do you mean LTC?
[2015-08-12 01:14:25] goat : its trading around that price
[2015-08-12 01:14:49] billyboy402 : nvm , i read it wrong
[2015-08-12 01:15:26] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, must have been XLT.
[2015-08-12 01:23:48] ssa3512 : I don't know what do do with the eth market right now
[2015-08-12 01:24:16] GAmma : when you find yourself saying 'I don't know what to do ...'
[2015-08-12 01:24:25] ssa3512 : short
[2015-08-12 01:24:26] GAmma : it means you should sit on your hands
[2015-08-12 01:24:29] ssa3512 : lol
[2015-08-12 01:24:55] ssa3512 : well, I have a position open right now. pretty much just sitting on it right now
[2015-08-12 01:25:02] GAmma : or turn off your PC get some sun
[2015-08-12 01:25:08] ssa3512 : no volume on kraken right now
[2015-08-12 01:26:07] ssa3512 : pretty much just popping between 0.00375 and 0.00395 for the last few hours
[2015-08-12 01:26:34] GAmma : I read that a lot of original investors are unable to access their coins in order to sell
[2015-08-12 01:26:45] ssa3512 : oh really?
[2015-08-12 01:26:50] GAmma : seems continued bearish ...
[2015-08-12 01:27:11] BitMEX_Sam : I heard that too. Market is getting strange
[2015-08-12 01:27:16] j8 : wow poloniex did over 3000 btc volume in eth today
[2015-08-12 01:27:23] ssa3512 : yeah I'm pretty bearish on eth
[2015-08-12 01:27:42] BitMEX_Sam : That's pretty incredible, their usual full-exchange volume is about 400-500 coins/day
[2015-08-12 01:27:57] ssa3512 : oh Sam
[2015-08-12 01:27:58] ssa3512 : two thing
[2015-08-12 01:28:05] ssa3512 : turning off HW accel fixed the chat thing
[2015-08-12 01:28:18] ssa3512 : and it was bittrex that I saw the bitlicense application for
[2015-08-12 01:28:35] BitMEX_Sam : That's good - just curious, are you on a mac?
[2015-08-12 01:28:43] ssa3512 : nope
[2015-08-12 01:28:44] ssa3512 : win 10
[2015-08-12 01:28:45] ssa3512 : er
[2015-08-12 01:28:46] ssa3512 : 8
[2015-08-12 01:28:48] BitMEX_Sam : Seems HW acceleration in Chrome has gotten worse in the last few releases
[2015-08-12 01:28:52] BitMEX_Sam : Ah okay. So maybe it's happening there too
[2015-08-12 01:29:03] ssa3512 : yes when I upgraded my desktop to win 10 the other day I had to kill it
[2015-08-12 01:29:09] BitMEX_Sam : I've been seeing white tabs, weird floating elements, all kinds of visual bugs in the last few weeks
[2015-08-12 01:29:10] ssa3512 : it was doing all sorts of weird shit
[2015-08-12 01:29:39] BitMEX_Sam : One of these days I'll finally switch to Firefox. Chrome is always a moving target
[2015-08-12 01:29:55] ssa3512 : It's funny, firefox seems to be making a comeback
[2015-08-12 01:29:58] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry to hear about Win10 - was hoping it'd be more like 7 than 8
[2015-08-12 01:30:08] ssa3512 : oh no 10 is great
[2015-08-12 01:30:15] ssa3512 : but the hw acceleration on chrome went nuts with it
[2015-08-12 01:30:19] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah FF is solid now. They've really upped their devtools game which is what I care about
[2015-08-12 01:30:20] BitMEX_Sam : Ah
[2015-08-12 01:30:40] BitMEX_Sam : It's terrible on battery too so I ought to just get off of it.
[2015-08-12 01:31:27] ssa3512 : what is terrible on battery? Chrome?
[2015-08-12 01:31:31] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah.
[2015-08-12 01:31:35] ssa3512 : ah
[2015-08-12 01:31:58] ssa3512 : are you in IRC?
[2015-08-12 01:32:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah I always keep it open.
[2015-08-12 01:32:13] BitMEX_Sam : `STRML`
[2015-08-12 01:48:17] ksinvest : finally, 200 bot at spot price 269.12
[2015-08-12 01:50:44] ksinvest : 200 bot wanted to lose money but nobody traded with him, that's very sad
[2015-08-12 02:31:44] SnackyCoins : OOH LITECOIN, YEAA
[2015-08-12 03:50:02] krtek.net : GRD pattern on ethereum
[2015-08-12 03:50:08] krtek.net : (giant red dildo)
[2015-08-12 03:50:40] krtek.net : at least on poloniex :)
[2015-08-12 03:54:17] prospecta : hahaha what is that crazy eth fuck doing here
[2015-08-12 03:54:21] Apocalyptic : I believe there is a typo in https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT#advanced-considerations in the first line of the "Going short Bitcoin", it should read "will sell XBT contracts" instead of "will buy XBT contracts"
[2015-08-12 03:54:52] prospecta : 3k eth at 0.0396 you must be insane
[2015-08-12 03:55:01] prospecta : 0.00396
[2015-08-12 03:55:12] prospecta : its near 0.003 at polo hahaha
[2015-08-12 03:55:17] TrevinHofmann : pls don't sell
[2015-08-12 03:55:22] TrevinHofmann : let my deposit confirm D:
[2015-08-12 03:55:33] prospecta : i dumped all i could into it
[2015-08-12 03:55:38] prospecta : insane...just insane
[2015-08-12 03:55:51] TrevinHofmann : nvm, it's gone :(
[2015-08-12 03:56:04] prospecta : thats some serious mistake haha
[2015-08-12 03:56:16] TrevinHofmann : Was it pulled or sold through?
[2015-08-12 03:56:20] TrevinHofmann : I wasn't paying much attention
[2015-08-12 03:56:24] j8 : pulled
[2015-08-12 03:56:38] j8 : i got a few in
[2015-08-12 03:57:09] TrevinHofmann : Do you know if it was up for a while? I literally just opened up the window and was gone in 20 seconds.
[2015-08-12 03:57:33] j8 : like 2 or 3 minutes
[2015-08-12 03:57:48] j8 : i was just trying to free up some margin and it was gone
[2015-08-12 03:57:56] GAmma : lol
[2015-08-12 03:57:59] j8 : maybe 1 minute
[2015-08-12 03:58:02] GAmma : sorry dude
[2015-08-12 03:58:21] TrevinHofmann : Maybe instead of setting up bots to flip small margins, I should set one up to only take advantage of opportunities like that.
[2015-08-12 03:58:24] prospecta : maybe they were trying to start some margin calls not realising it dont work that way here
[2015-08-12 03:58:41] TrevinHofmann : Sit on the sidelines until one of the books are clearly way off and take full advantage.
[2015-08-12 03:59:12] TrevinHofmann : I remember when it did work that way here... Mark price = last trade price
[2015-08-12 03:59:16] j8 : maybe leave some distant orders to catch fat fingers too.
[2015-08-12 03:59:31] prospecta : well that was some easy profit
[2015-08-12 03:59:35] prospecta : closed the short already
[2015-08-12 04:00:06] j8 : i've been short all day and its been stressful as hell.
[2015-08-12 04:00:06] TrevinHofmann : j8: good point
[2015-08-12 04:00:49] j8 : just closing and reopening higher all day.
[2015-08-12 04:02:21] j8 : TrevinHofmann: did you see litecoin hit 13 dollars something the other day on `LTC7D`
[2015-08-12 04:02:47] TrevinHofmann : I didn't
[2015-08-12 04:03:22] TrevinHofmann : I made a killing with Namecoin when LTC had its strong rally.
[2015-08-12 04:03:24] BitMEX_Wally : The chart looks silly now with that high wick
[2015-08-12 04:03:36] TrevinHofmann : But lost most of it here via BTC and ETH :( Oh well
[2015-08-12 04:03:45] BitMEX_Wally : Apocalyptic: Thanks for pointing out the top, will fix
[2015-08-12 04:04:35] TrevinHofmann : Hmm. That XLT wick is barely even visible. 1px wide reddish gray on gray.
[2015-08-12 04:04:41] GAmma : the LTC trades to ~$13 ... were those reversed or were they good?
[2015-08-12 04:05:24] BitMEX_Wally : GAmma: All trades stand
[2015-08-12 04:06:24] j8 : that one-click ordering is a blessing and a curse
[2015-08-12 04:07:23] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah we looked into it, in this case it was a bot through the API
[2015-08-12 04:07:49] GAmma : wow, I luv bots ... lol
[2015-08-12 04:10:49] TrevinHofmann : Is it just me or has ETH been quite volatile.
[2015-08-12 04:11:06] GAmma : last 10 minutes yes
[2015-08-12 04:11:09] TrevinHofmann : Seems like it whips up or down 25% in an hour with low volume
[2015-08-12 04:11:46] prospecta : its ridiculous there are no reasonable asks of any quantity under 0.004
[2015-08-12 04:11:52] prospecta : wheres the market makers?
[2015-08-12 04:11:54] cengel : takes one line of code in bot to prevent mistakes like that
[2015-08-12 04:11:58] j8 : the tradeable supply is still really restricted compared to the market cap i think
[2015-08-12 04:18:30] TrevinHofmann : 10% bid/ask spread for ETH on kraken
[2015-08-12 04:22:40] GAmma : XBT7D only one offer
[2015-08-12 04:22:49] GAmma : perfect contract, no volume ...
[2015-08-12 04:22:58] ksinvest : <code>Gross Value: Infinity XBT</code> https://twitter.com/RobotFinance/status/631306909811896320
[2015-08-12 04:27:04] BitMEX_Wally : Hahaha nice try
[2015-08-12 04:27:16] BitMEX_Wally : I saw some withdrawal requests for a negative amount of XBT last night
[2015-08-12 04:29:07] GAmma : recently on some btc gambling sites
[2015-08-12 04:29:26] GAmma : people have been able to 'game' the site by placing negative bets
[2015-08-12 04:29:27] GAmma : lol
[2015-08-12 04:30:15] GAmma : run up big wins and then try to withdraw ...
[2015-08-12 04:30:37] cengel : how can that be possible unless the guy is running a whitelabel and is totally clueless
[2015-08-12 04:31:02] GAmma : flaws were found in the programming I guess
[2015-08-12 04:31:16] ksinvest : was an accident, my bot set his maximum bid price to 0 because he lost a connection i guess.
[2015-08-12 04:31:28] GAmma : lots of those sites run dozens of dumb gambling games, not all written perfectly
[2015-08-12 04:32:02] cengel : gamma, but youd think if they actually wrote it they would do those validity checks
[2015-08-12 04:32:18] cengel : im thinking someone just took a whitelabel and didn't set the conf properly
[2015-08-12 04:32:19] GAmma : you'd think , wouldn't you?
[2015-08-12 04:32:20] GAmma : lol
[2015-08-12 04:32:30] cengel : i mean, negative bets not being rejected. that's basic shit
[2015-08-12 04:32:50] GAmma : yeah, that website closed down.
[2015-08-12 04:33:00] GAmma : cryptopoker.eu I think ...
[2015-08-12 04:33:41] cengel : there was also that dice site that let people make bets pre-roll which would not deduct if lost. and some guy gamed it and cried on reddit because btc-e froze his funds as it was reported
[2015-08-12 04:34:17] GAmma : yeah, that is the hard part ... getting paid
[2015-08-12 04:34:39] cengel : i wouldnt run a site like that without manual withdrawal
[2015-08-12 04:34:53] cengel : one cheeky bastard can ruin months of house edge
[2015-08-12 04:34:56] GAmma : well, they do have manual withdrawal.
[2015-08-12 04:35:56] GAmma : what you find is that the hacker/troll runs up his big wins, and then tries to withdraw, simultaneously smearing the site online trying to their reputation for ransom
[2015-08-12 04:36:35] GAmma : cryptopoker.eu had manual withdrawal, and refused to pay. they just closed their site and later relaunched under another name
[2015-08-12 04:37:08] GAmma : even though you could argue that cryptopoker's fault for garbage code
[2015-08-12 04:38:59] GAmma : best option is to find the flaw, and then quietly bring it to the site owner, who generally will pay a bounty for the courtesy
[2015-08-12 04:40:08] cengel : http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-cso-goes-against-bug-bounties-and-security-researchers-2015-8
[2015-08-12 04:40:18] GAmma : so when Wally sees negative withdrawal requests, makes me think someone is trying their luck
[2015-08-12 04:40:18] cengel : not all siteowners are cool and will pay a bounty. so its good to have leverage over them if they refuse
[2015-08-12 04:40:44] cengel : not to extort but to incentivize
[2015-08-12 04:41:17] GAmma : anyway, its not my game. I just play some poker and follow some of the developments around new sites. (I'm not a programmer.)
[2015-08-12 04:42:39] cengel : oracle made a fool of themselves with that blogpost
[2015-08-12 04:43:16] ksinvest : cengel: while you can openly sell zero days to the highest bidder, you are in a legally problematic situation when reporting bugs to the owner.
[2015-08-12 04:46:58] ksinvest : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
[2015-08-12 04:48:30] GAmma : interesting, ty
[2015-08-12 04:52:46] BitMEX_Wally : We run a bug bounty programme on Crowdcurity https://cobalt.io/bitmex
[2015-08-12 05:04:07] ksinvest : BitMEX_Wally: nice :) guess researchers prefer bitcoin vs. paypal payments
[2015-08-12 05:12:00] cengel : @ksinvest when has anyone been prosecuted for selling a 0day that was reported/ignored by site owner?
[2015-08-12 05:12:36] cengel : in either case, one need not be specific. asking a general/hypoethetical of site owner enough to send the message
[2015-08-12 05:13:11] cengel : "Oh you don't offer bug bounties? Okay, good luck then." no specifics or reporting needed
[2015-08-12 05:15:32] cengel : i only have a couple minor CVEs registered but there are guys who make a living doing that stuff, they aren't dumb
[2015-08-12 05:21:27] ksinvest : cengel: true, but smart guys don't necessarily employ great lawyers. big zero day sellers do and they have other means of legal protection (gov agencies as clients).
[2015-08-12 05:23:08] ksinvest : big players are selling non-exclusive exploit to multiple gov agencies. this is much more profitable than report exclusively to the owner.
[2015-08-12 05:23:40] ksinvest : thanks to our "security" services...
[2015-08-12 05:28:39] cengel : okay but whats the big example then of a prosecution?
[2015-08-12 05:36:00] cengel : i could see how there may be some kind of extortion but havent heard of any case really
[2015-08-12 05:38:06] ksinvest : cengel: the 2013 amendment to the Wassenar agreement is not fully implemented/ratified in a lot of countries yet https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/we-must-fight-proposed-us-wassenaar-implementation probaly there have not been any enforcements yet, but it definitely has already some "preventive" functions.
[2015-08-12 05:46:04] ksinvest : a lot of site owners will think of extortion, but for white hats that shouldn't be a legal problem, more laws and TOS that directly prevent you from searching/testing vulnerabilities
[2015-08-12 05:47:13] ksinvest : but it was never you who tested it, you always deal just with the information anyway...
[2015-08-12 05:49:31] cengel : hm, yea, but Oracle is a minority, most tech cos understand
[2015-08-12 05:56:37] ksinvest : right, they should just pay more for exclusive deals than multiple govs for non-exclusive ones
[2015-08-12 06:11:02] ksinvest : (and maybe we should vote for people who are not spending our tax money to keep web services insecure for all of us)
[2015-08-12 06:22:01] ksinvest : the Oracle guy is a) really just an idiot b) a privileged partner of a gov agency with the biggest budget for zero days trading
[2015-08-12 06:23:10] ksinvest : surprise http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/30/us-oracle-nsa-idUSBREA0T05U20140130
[2015-08-12 06:23:53] ksinvest : i wouldn't say he is an idiot
[2015-08-12 06:50:11] cengel : it's a woman who wrote the blogpost in question actually.
[2015-08-12 06:50:32] cengel : not to open a can of worms or anything
[2015-08-12 06:56:01] cengel : "Blogs.Oracle.Com - Mary Ann Davidson Blog"
[2015-08-12 07:03:55] ksinvest : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Davidson
[2015-08-12 07:04:58] ksinvest : "a product manager in Oracle's financial software business unit" as Chief Security Officer?
[2015-08-12 07:05:29] ksinvest : "attended the Severn School, a preparatory high school for the Naval Academy, graduating in 1976"
[2015-08-12 07:08:30] ksinvest : would still say more useful than just a useful idiot...
[2015-08-12 07:10:28] cengel : does she even code?
[2015-08-12 07:16:43] BitMEX_Wally : A lot of system administrators don't code
[2015-08-12 07:17:07] BitMEX_Wally : The problem here seems to be that Oracle sees security as a product rather than a process
[2015-08-12 07:17:30] BitMEX_Wally : "Sign this license agreement" we will give you a secure product
[2015-08-12 07:21:05] krach : is there a sandbox for people to test the products at?
[2015-08-12 07:21:52] BitMEX_Wally : krach: If you're talking about BitMEX, yes we have a testnet environment: http://testnet.bitmex.com/
[2015-08-12 07:22:45] krach : yes, thanks I forgot the url
[2015-08-12 07:23:38] BitMEX_Wally : You'll need to deposit some Testnet Bitcoin (which are worthless)
[2015-08-12 07:23:48] BitMEX_Wally : You can get some from a faucet: http://tpfaucet.appspot.com
[2015-08-12 07:26:21] krach : thx
[2015-08-12 08:34:57] j8 : very strange wick on kraken just now.
[2015-08-12 08:38:24] j8 : from .0037 to .0042 with nothing in between, looks like api weirdness
[2015-08-12 09:07:54] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Yeah, these are the trades we got from their API `0.0037 0.0042 0.0042 0.0042 0.0042 0.0042 0.00367`
[2015-08-12 09:09:07] j8 : and only about 170 eth volume up there
[2015-08-12 09:38:17] gustavo7 : why does it pump anyway?
[2015-08-12 09:38:57] j8 : because it's new
[2015-08-12 10:18:04] pschepenaar : How do you close a poisition lol.
[2015-08-12 10:19:51] BitMEX_Arthur : If you are long go short
[2015-08-12 10:19:58] BitMEX_Arthur : If you are short go long
[2015-08-12 10:20:02] pschepenaar : but how to market sell?
[2015-08-12 10:20:14] pschepenaar : I'd like a panic sell button like on okcoin
[2015-08-12 10:22:18] BitMEX_Arthur : We don't allow market orders for the time being , only limit orders. If you want to panic sell or buy set a low or high limit to eat through the order book
[2015-08-12 10:23:35] pschepenaar : ack
[2015-08-12 10:39:40] pschepenaar : thanks
[2015-08-12 10:45:15] slavo : hi i'm new; where can i chose the amount of contract ? i can only buy/Sell 50 eth contracts?
[2015-08-12 10:46:21] BitMEX_Wally : slavo: Welcome to BitMEX
[2015-08-12 10:46:42] BitMEX_Wally : You can type the number of contracts you would like to buy/sell into the `Quantity` box
[2015-08-12 10:48:17] slavo : oh ok
[2015-08-12 10:48:20] slavo : brain not working sorry
[2015-08-12 10:48:51] slavo : thanks
[2015-08-12 10:49:50] BitMEX_Wally : With the `ETH7D` future each contract is worth 1 `ETH`
[2015-08-12 11:00:37] slavo : okok book is empty tho
[2015-08-12 11:00:47] slavo : not much success on that instrument it seems :)
[2015-08-12 11:01:07] slavo : i like how you manage your site btw; i just hate the look and feel
[2015-08-12 13:37:44] BitMEX_Sam : Hey @slavo, I do the UI here at BitMEX - I'm interested, what do you find uncomfortable about the site?
[2015-08-12 14:26:41] slavo : hi
[2015-08-12 14:27:06] slavo : too much distracting stuff / words and a bit gloomy
[2015-08-12 14:32:25] BitMEX_Sam : Are you on the dark theme or advanced layout? See the Options dropdown on the top right
[2015-08-12 14:39:08] stf28 : BitMEX_Sam: hi would be nice to allow closing the panels we don't need like announcements
[2015-08-12 14:39:31] BitMEX_Sam : stf28: I agree with that, an update will be coming hopefully this month that allows you to rearrange the panels
[2015-08-12 14:39:33] stf28 : or to configure which one i can see ^^
[2015-08-12 14:39:39] stf28 : oh nice !
[2015-08-12 14:39:45] BitMEX_Sam : I built this out a few months ago in preparation
[2015-08-12 14:39:46] BitMEX_Sam : https://strml.github.io/react-grid-layout/examples/0-showcase.html
[2015-08-12 14:39:57] BitMEX_Sam : Just haven't had the time to put it into BitMEX quite yet.
[2015-08-12 14:44:08] stf28 : i like the ui, it has its own style, pretty efficient imho
[2015-08-12 15:25:07] BitMEX_Sam : Just added a little experiment, there's a bar at the bottom of the order controls that tells you what percentage of your order would likely fill if you submitted now
[2015-08-12 15:25:16] BitMEX_Sam : Should hopefully help avoid fat fingers a bit
[2015-08-12 15:25:29] BitMEX_Sam : Let me know if you like it.
[2015-08-12 16:40:46] GAmma : I like the GUI a lot ... basic layout
[2015-08-12 16:41:46] GAmma : keep finding cool elements to it ..
[2015-08-12 16:55:49] gustavo7 : nice
[2015-08-12 17:10:13] lolcookie : volume is so slim :9
[2015-08-12 17:20:04] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: that's pretty handy for getting a quick sense of the orderbook that's off the screen.
[2015-08-12 17:22:38] j8 : btw, there's still a problem with the isolate checkbox and row sorting, happens when i add a position on a contract that wasn't there
[2015-08-12 17:23:18] j8 : the sorting should be by expiry, right?
[2015-08-12 17:30:11] splash : news on trading view?
[2015-08-12 17:41:17] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Could you give some more details - you're saying you have one position that's not isolated, and then you open a new position, and the checkbox moves?
[2015-08-12 17:42:28] j8 : that's right, well maybe the check box stays where it is but there's a different contract on that row now
[2015-08-12 17:42:50] BitMEX_Sam : Sort order is the same as instruments, which is generally series and then expiry. I'll see about making that more intuitive
[2015-08-12 17:43:46] BitMEX_Sam : j8: Thanks, I was just able to replicate it
[2015-08-12 17:44:59] j8 : cool, tricky things.
[2015-08-12 18:11:33] BitMEX_Sam : Interesting bug. React likes to reuse elements whenever possible to save on DOM manipulation costs. In some edge cases (like checkbox elements which have internal state) this can cause issues
[2015-08-12 18:11:45] BitMEX_Sam : I've cleared it up - update is deploying now, I'll push a notification when it's live
[2015-08-12 18:29:55] BitMEX_Sam : splash: TV has been listing us on and off today, looks like they're almost finished
[2015-08-12 18:30:05] BitMEX_Sam : Appears they're just sorting out some data collection & messaging issues
[2015-08-12 19:08:12] splash : BitMEX_Sam: thats great news. i really need my technical mumbo jumbo tools
[2015-08-12 19:09:49] splash : BitMEX_Sam: about react. yea, the virtual DOM in react for sure is all about reusing existing elements. as soon as one introduces JQuery or something, it's all messed up.
[2015-08-12 19:09:57] BitMEX_Sam : Get your lunar cycle tools ready
[2015-08-12 19:10:12] splash : BitMEX_Sam: have u looked into Redux?
[2015-08-12 19:10:20] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, we don't use jquery, it's just that `key`s are a bit tricky at times. It gets a bit far into reuse territory
[2015-08-12 19:10:45] BitMEX_Sam : splash: Yep, talked to @gaearon quite a bit about it
[2015-08-12 19:11:14] BitMEX_Sam : It's nice. We don't have any need for it here - what we have works - but it's definitely going into my next OSS project
[2015-08-12 19:11:37] splash : sounds like a nice thing. im not going to use it until its finished though. also im not sure that the whole play, replay state thing always makes sense
[2015-08-12 19:12:02] splash : well.. some trades I make would be nice to replay and change while im at it ;)
[2015-08-12 19:12:09] BitMEX_Sam : I think it's awesome - would love to be able to time-travel debug
[2015-08-12 19:12:30] BitMEX_Sam : I built something out years ago at a previous job where we would snapshot the DOM every second and send the diffs up the pipe when a JS error occured
[2015-08-12 19:12:48] BitMEX_Sam : Then another process would render the pages, turn it into an animated gif (with mouse cursor) and attach it to a ticket with the error & stacktrace
[2015-08-12 19:12:54] splash : BitMEX_Sam: sounds like a neat feautre
[2015-08-12 19:12:59] BitMEX_Sam : With redux you could do one better and attach a working app to the ticket
[2015-08-12 19:13:16] splash : BitMEX_Sam: but how do u replay people inputting trades?
[2015-08-12 19:13:37] BitMEX_Sam : Well, to a certain degree in this app you wouldn't - you couldn't replay actions with side-effects
[2015-08-12 19:13:49] BitMEX_Sam : But if you had the motivation you could mock it up in a test env
[2015-08-12 19:14:02] splash : perhaps docker would come in handy
[2015-08-12 19:14:10] BitMEX_Sam : All hype imo
[2015-08-12 19:14:21] splash : :)
[2015-08-12 19:14:32] BitMEX_Sam : We've done some work with it... not much more useful than bash scripts, not much real isolation, lots of gotchas and bugs
[2015-08-12 19:14:48] BitMEX_Sam : I <3 vagrant but I don't think docker really needs to be a part of that
[2015-08-12 19:14:56] splash : some security issues to i read
[2015-08-12 19:14:57] BitMEX_Sam : like vagrant but docker doesn't really need to be a part of that.
[2015-08-12 19:15:30] splash : vagrant i dont know anything about
[2015-08-12 19:15:30] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. It gets really wonky with persistent data
[2015-08-12 19:15:45] BitMEX_Sam : Docker-compose is pretty nice all things considered. I think it'll be great some day, just not today
[2015-08-12 19:15:52] BitMEX_Sam : Vagrant is just headless VMs
[2015-08-12 19:15:55] splash : ah
[2015-08-12 19:16:21] BitMEX_Sam : So your company can put a Vagrantfile in a repo and all devs need to do is `vagrant up` to get a fully working dev configuration
[2015-08-12 19:17:42] splash : how long have u worked with web?
[2015-08-12 19:17:51] BitMEX_Sam : About 8yrs
[2015-08-12 19:18:25] BitMEX_Sam : Actually a little longer if you count some odd jobs before then.
[2015-08-12 19:22:03] centurygate : Any thoughts on the liquidity situation with ETH?
[2015-08-12 19:22:48] centurygate : I tried doing relative value arbitrage but the lack of counterparties to get even 100 depth at .0001 difference (which is a decent spread) is lacking so re-adjustments are difficult
[2015-08-12 19:23:23] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, there are some users MMing it and making decent &btc; off the spread
[2015-08-12 19:23:26] centurygate : I had to basically find a counterparty to lighten my hedge
[2015-08-12 19:23:32] BitMEX_Sam : But it doesn't appear anyone has been motivated to tighten the spread just yet
[2015-08-12 19:24:06] centurygate : well that works for arbing your BTC contract against OkCoin's I think if only because the low daily var in BTC relative to this nutty speculative contract creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of more volume
[2015-08-12 19:24:23] centurygate : so it's easier to in a sense, re-market orders from the more liquid BTC books, of which there are many
[2015-08-12 19:24:58] BitMEX_Sam : No doubt there is some opportunity in remarketing here
[2015-08-12 19:25:02] centurygate : but there is only really 1 book to arb ETH off, Polo, and the local contract doesn't move in step with it until it makes a 2 sigma move
[2015-08-12 19:25:13] centurygate : maybe I need more capital to cowboy this pair
[2015-08-12 19:25:27] centurygate : or maybe I need to wait until there are more OI before getting into leverage spreads
[2015-08-12 19:25:42] centurygate : like imagine taking a margin position at Polo with an ETH collateral, so it's like a quanto contract
[2015-08-12 19:26:08] centurygate : and thus leveraged, shorting with some leverage over here when there are .0002 or .0003 spreads (close to 10%)
[2015-08-12 19:26:23] centurygate : but in these early days... man too much volatility, not enough execution
[2015-08-12 19:26:37] centurygate : I think the solution is to allow ETH margining
[2015-08-12 19:26:40] centurygate : so there is no basis risk
[2015-08-12 19:27:06] centurygate : but that would require actually going through the trouble of integrating Frontier to your back-end, any comment on when that may be feasible?
[2015-08-12 19:27:46] splash : BitMEX_Sam: 8 years. wow long tie
[2015-08-12 19:28:03] BitMEX_Sam : Not something we have talked about yet - for now we think there is demand in the market for altcoin contracts margined in Bitcoin
[2015-08-12 19:28:09] centurygate : mathematically, if you do that MMs can have a stock of ETH and collateral calls are more manageable, that could accomplish the liquidity provision needed to track other prices as they move
[2015-08-12 19:28:11] BitMEX_Sam : We don't have any immediate plans to add any altcoin wallets
[2015-08-12 19:28:46] centurygate : I'm trying out a 50/50 collateral mix
[2015-08-12 19:28:53] centurygate : will let you know if that's more pliable
[2015-08-12 19:29:20] BitMEX_Sam : Would be happy to have you talk to Arthur about it, he's a much more technical trader than I am. If there's anything BitMEX can do to help you he would know how to make it happen.
[2015-08-12 19:30:06] centurygate : I spoke with you guys over some bubble tea back in December, and as it goes in start-ups and ventures, things took longer but I'm coming online and want to trade here now that your fee schedule is tigth and you've got a leverage boost over Ok
[2015-08-12 19:30:19] centurygate : arb all over, no more standing liquidity that is mis-priced
[2015-08-12 19:30:59] centurygate : I see a potential for this exchange to start growing up the curve of liquidity and with it, volume
[2015-08-12 19:31:53] BitMEX_Sam : Those are our priorities too - the exchange is reaching a point of maturity where I believe it's possible to start pushing in that direction
[2015-08-12 19:36:46] centurygate : If you want a longer-term view in a short paragraph: look at what Bitfinex has done with Tether and integrating multi-sig. You can support trading of derivatives that are on-blockchain as smart contracts and get a hybrid centralized-decentralized ledger. Then you can market contracts to trade on decentralized exchanges and have fee revenue baked into them - stay ahead of the transformation of the industry.
[2015-08-12 19:37:08] centurygate : I would argue it starts today by considering integrating Frontier and supporting ETH as a second form of collateral.
[2015-08-12 19:37:32] centurygate : because once integrated, and smart contracts on ETH become something with a parse-able balance that can interact with a user's account.
[2015-08-12 19:38:15] centurygate : but by allowing bitcoin to be colalteral, you have a foot in this huge liquidity pool - Ethereum contracts that are popular, standardized contracts become trade-able with hard BTC in cold storage as colalteral
[2015-08-12 19:40:26] centurygate : it's sort of meaningless to pontificate about all the wacky financial instruments one could host until your bread-and-butter contracts are as liquid as the OkCoin futures if not OkCoin spot. But I think that's achievable near-term. ETH liquidity really merits ETH as margin so people can short with impunity. It's convenient to go ahead and integrate that tech because it opens the door to a whole world of future relevance.
[2015-08-12 19:40:53] centurygate : 5 short paragraphs :)
[2015-08-12 19:41:26] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for the feedback, we really appreciate someone who is thinking about the future of the industry. We'll talk about it more internally and here soon.
[2015-08-12 19:43:43] centurygate : Cheers
[2015-08-12 20:17:31] SnackyCoins : Love the white bar on the order buttons
[2015-08-12 20:21:22] BitMEX_Sam : :) Glad you like it. I was trying to figure out something unobtrusive that would help traders catch order input mistakes.
[2015-08-12 21:04:48] annica007 : is there a simple way to have the XBT to $ showing and ETH to XBT at the same time?
[2015-08-12 21:10:34] BitMEX_Sam : At this time, no. There is extra room in the ticker, I could put it there.
[2015-08-12 22:00:48] cengel : is there a way to automatically isolate margin for a limit order that gets filled?
[2015-08-12 22:01:20] cengel : nonprogrammatically
[2015-08-12 22:17:33] BitMEX_Sam : Ah, as in, no position open yet, but you want to be in fixed margin when it does
[2015-08-12 22:18:11] BitMEX_Sam : We do not yet have an option for that, I'll add an issue - we'll have to think about how to expose the option since a position is not yet open.
[2015-08-12 23:05:26] annica007 : do you offer a way to receive a data feed?
[2015-08-12 23:06:16] annica007 : for ETH
[2015-08-12 23:16:21] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, you can get a live feed via websocket
[2015-08-12 23:16:56] BitMEX_Sam : The endpoint is `wss://www.bitmex.com/realtime/websocket?subscribe=trade:ETH7D`
[2015-08-12 23:17:25] BitMEX_Sam : You could also subscribe to `orderBook`, `quote`, `instrument`, etc. See https://www.bitmex.com/app/wsAPI#subscriptions
[2015-08-12 23:38:50] ksinvest : this 1000/1000/200 market maker on XBU24H always tries to push the price when it is short. bid now $0.06 above spot, why the hell is this bot doing it?
[2015-08-12 23:40:44] ksinvest : $0.29 above spot now, it just stays at 269.07. maybe really just a TWAP/VWAP bug
[2015-08-12 23:56:40] ksinvest : result: 200 bot burned money, inflated the price and spread
[2015-08-12 23:57:00] ksinvest : closed his short at 268.39, my bot closed his short at 266.60
[2015-08-13 03:59:20] cengel : @BitMEx_Sam yes, i assume it would be relatively simple at the very least to set an option to automatically isolate all opened speculative positions
[2015-08-13 04:00:00] cengel : maybe trickier for implementing into order controls or open orders
[2015-08-13 07:45:08] cengel : pretty big premium on XBTQ15 considering expiree in 2 weeks
[2015-08-13 09:49:31] btcedlo : HI a really newbie question to API. i know "trade?symbol=.BVOL" is for getting .BVOL index price. But what about the real trade done on that day?
[2015-08-13 09:50:25] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com:443/api/v1/trade/byDate?symbol=.BVOL&startTime=2015-08-01
[2015-08-13 09:50:36] BitMEX_Arthur : that gets al trades starting from Aug 1st
[2015-08-13 09:50:49] BitMEX_Arthur : you can check out the API Explorer and customise and try out API calls
[2015-08-13 09:58:07] btcedlo : thanks will try it out!!
[2015-08-13 10:06:46] BitMEX_Wally : btcedlo: `.BVOL` is the index, if you want to see trades have a look at `BVOL24H` or `BVOL7D`
[2015-08-13 10:08:04] BitMEX_Wally : Those futures settle on the `.BVOL24H` index and `.BVOL7D` index respectively each Friday
[2015-08-13 11:31:48] lolcookie : so how do you actually close positions
[2015-08-13 11:33:18] lolcookie : also between mobile and 1200px the trading chart looks terrible
[2015-08-13 11:34:27] BitMEX_Arthur : If you are long, sell. If you are short, buy.
[2015-08-13 11:35:39] lolcookie : and they will claim themselves
[2015-08-13 11:36:42] lolcookie : sorry im just used to finex
[2015-08-13 11:36:57] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes a buy and a sell cancel each other out on the same contract.
[2015-08-13 11:37:22] BitMEX_Arthur : I buy at 10, I sell at 11. I have a position of 0 and a profit of 1.
[2015-08-13 13:13:56] lolcookie : alright who is the nerd battling me in ETH futures
[2015-08-13 13:16:44] lolcookie : nevermind its a MM bot
[2015-08-13 13:17:17] BitMEX_Sam : MMs got moving on that contract quickly
[2015-08-13 13:17:28] BitMEX_Sam : Morning, btw. Well, depending on where you are
[2015-08-13 15:10:21] goat : Hola!
[2015-08-13 15:10:31] goat : It should be morning here, but its afternoon