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[2016-06-15 04:45:39] elmorte : jung1: :p
[2016-06-15 04:45:41] arbitrage001 : elmorte: fee is pretty reasonable here
[2016-06-15 04:46:12] elmorte : yeah, it is @arbitrage001....just counterintuitive that your maker bonus gets reduced with affiliate discount
[2016-06-15 04:49:48] arbitrage001 : elmorte: what bank you use to wire money to btc exchange?
[2016-06-15 04:50:20] elmorte : CIMB for BitX, BoC for Chinese Exch
[2016-06-15 04:50:44] arbitrage001 : Local boc?
[2016-06-15 04:50:49] arbitrage001 : what fee they charge?
[2016-06-15 04:50:55] elmorte : I have HSBC in HK as well if need be
[2016-06-15 04:51:03] elmorte : No, China BOC :)
[2016-06-15 04:51:13] elmorte : I'm in import/export
[2016-06-15 04:51:24] arbitrage001 : but how you move money around using china boc
[2016-06-15 04:51:24] jung1 : what you trade?
[2016-06-15 04:51:53] elmorte : arbitrage001: HK to China is pretty easy but not something I would discuss here
[2016-06-15 04:52:08] arbitrage001 : elmorte: mind sharing using email?
[2016-06-15 04:52:12] elmorte : arbitrage001: Within China, we use a lot of Yuan to pay suppliers to that's no issue
[2016-06-15 04:52:30] elmorte : arbitrage001: not at all, what's your email?
[2016-06-15 04:52:39] arbitrage001 : arbitrage0001@gmail.com
[2016-06-15 04:52:43] jung1 : go on irc
[2016-06-15 04:52:45] arbitrage001 : 3 zeros
[2016-06-15 04:52:50] elmorte : cool
[2016-06-15 04:52:56] elmorte : jung1: good idea
[2016-06-15 04:52:57] arbitrage001 : the 2 zeroes one is taken by someone else
[2016-06-15 04:53:45] jung1 : what you trade in china?
[2016-06-15 04:54:05] jung1 : http://exoticasianwives.com/ ?
[2016-06-15 04:54:19] elmorte : jung1: we source for several corporate clients from SE Europe
[2016-06-15 04:54:25] elmorte : All in different industries
[2016-06-15 04:54:59] jung1 : any chance to pay them in bitcoins?
[2016-06-15 04:55:22] jung1 : is there any provider that accept bitcoin and allow to withrawal in yuan?
[2016-06-15 04:55:28] elmorte : brb, Skype
[2016-06-15 05:01:17] elmorte : jung1: actually, I wouldn't know since the rate would prob be worse than selling on exchange
[2016-06-15 05:01:53] elmorte : That would be adv. only if you couldn't withdraw yuan from exchange
[2016-06-15 05:02:35] arbitrage001 : elmorte: there is a huge spread between china exchanges and the rest of the world
[2016-06-15 05:03:07] arbitrage001 : finding a way to move yuan out can make quick money
[2016-06-15 05:03:32] arbitrage001 : assuming not ticking government off that is
[2016-06-15 05:07:38] elmorte : arbitrage001: yup
[2016-06-15 05:08:27] elmorte : But instead of moving it out, I use it to pay the suppliers and keep the USD that I would otherwise use outside of China
[2016-06-15 05:11:36] elmorte : That's another reason why quite often I have a bit of a balance in BTC and fiat on most exchanges
[2016-06-15 05:14:36] elmorte : For eg. for finex, the price in USD was = price in MYR at BitX. So quickly buying at BitX, sending to finex and shorting there I ended up loading the USD balance there using my ringgit without any fees or loss in forex rate. Otherwise, I'd have to TT to Taiwan
[2016-06-15 05:28:02] elmorte : arbitrage001: you OK with IRC? I'm in the bitmex chat
[2016-06-15 05:29:07] arbitrage001 : elmorte: i am about to head out
[2016-06-15 05:29:23] arbitrage001 : chat later tonight if you are free
[2016-06-15 05:32:22] elmorte : sure
[2016-06-15 05:40:47] dharmabum : any admins here?
[2016-06-15 05:41:06] dharmabum : BitMEX_Wally: are you here?
[2016-06-15 05:46:44] jung1 : what you need to know
[2016-06-15 05:47:00] jung1 : maybe your answer is in trollbox knowledgebase
[2016-06-15 05:49:43] jung1 : arbitrage001: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-14/dear-janet-no-surprises-china-devalues-yuan-weakest-jan-2011
[2016-06-15 05:50:04] BitMEX_Jinming : dharmabum: Hi, what can I help?
[2016-06-15 05:52:23] dharmabum : BitMEX_Jinming: Hit cancel on a stop but the UI didn't respond. Switched to wallet, and back to trade, but still no response. Refreshed page, and stop had been hit.
[2016-06-15 05:52:38] dharmabum : BitMEX_Jinming: everything else worked, except the cancel button on the stop.
[2016-06-15 05:55:31] BitMEX_Jinming : dharmabum: I will have Sam or Wally to check the cancel
[2016-06-15 05:55:50] BitMEX_Jinming : and let you know later
[2016-06-15 05:57:23] dharmabum : OK. Means I am out of a small position.
[2016-06-15 05:57:30] dharmabum : small, but significant :-)
[2016-06-15 05:58:07] dharmabum : BitMEX_Jinming: Thank you.
[2016-06-15 06:25:00] BitMEX_Jinming : dharmabum: I checked the log, the first cancel request you submitted was at `2016-06-15T05:34:08.939`, however the stop order was filled already at `2016.06.15T05:34:08.826`
[2016-06-15 06:38:36] elmorte : That's some Schumacher stuff
[2016-06-15 06:43:13] rentchev : Did sleger get rekt?
[2016-06-15 06:43:59] micmix : sleger is unrektable, he left bc of sudden changes to the swap
[2016-06-15 06:44:38] rentchev : Where did he go?
[2016-06-15 06:45:44] micmix : he trades on many exchanges
[2016-06-15 06:46:53] rentchev : Tell me one that has derivatives
[2016-06-15 06:47:05] rentchev : ☺
[2016-06-15 06:48:17] micmix : okc futures enough for many ppl
[2016-06-15 06:49:06] rentchev : Okc the uusd exchange or chinese okc?
[2016-06-15 06:49:53] micmix : okc usd has futures
[2016-06-15 06:50:04] rentchev : Thanks
[2016-06-15 06:50:19] micmix : there is also bitvc, 796, cryptofacilities etc.
[2016-06-15 06:51:28] ethex : so..
[2016-06-15 06:52:25] ethexio : go on
[2016-06-15 06:53:18] ethexio : Wha's up with charts? everything N/A?
[2016-06-15 06:53:45] rentchev : Working for me
[2016-06-15 06:54:40] ethexio : http://i.imgur.com/sLe3fbB.png
[2016-06-15 06:56:38] ethexio : getting 404 for https://www.bitmex.com/api/udf/symbols?symbol=XBT24H
[2016-06-15 06:58:39] lockhedge : https://www.bitmex.com/api/udf/symbols?symbol=XBTUSD
[2016-06-15 06:59:58] ethexio : lockhedge: that works fine. But that's not what Web UI trying to load.
[2016-06-15 06:59:59] Mr Blue : Morning traders
[2016-06-15 07:00:33] rentchev : Sep futures on okc $740, here they are 860
[2016-06-15 07:00:55] rentchev : Why is that?
[2016-06-15 07:01:19] micmix : rentchev: inverse on okc vs quanto here
[2016-06-15 07:01:29] Mr Blue : We're more bullish lol
[2016-06-15 07:02:10] rentchev : Inverse?
[2016-06-15 07:04:37] micmix : rentchev: inverse is like XBTUSD here, contract has fixed USD value, $1 here and $100 on okc
[2016-06-15 07:11:16] rapidtrades : what the hell is going on fellas
[2016-06-15 07:11:52] BTCDJS : ? give me that higher low ?
[2016-06-15 07:12:03] rentchev : Thanks micmix
[2016-06-15 07:12:27] rentchev : Jun has big premium
[2016-06-15 07:13:05] rentchev : If brexit vote is no we could see a quick drop
[2016-06-15 07:13:07] ethexio : rapidtrades: le banga
[2016-06-15 07:13:43] BTCDJS : https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8
[2016-06-15 07:13:51] lockhedge : micmix: how is your bot doing after sleger left? mine is not missing him...
[2016-06-15 07:13:56] BTCDJS : its a higher low
[2016-06-15 07:14:01] Mr Blue : Guys do we get order cancellation fee here?
[2016-06-15 07:14:21] rapidtrades : no
[2016-06-15 07:14:27] micmix : lockhedge: sleger didn't affect me at all it seems
[2016-06-15 07:14:56] Mr Blue : Cool, some f gone over my 680 buy by a cent lol
[2016-06-15 07:15:29] Mr Blue : Mother f it's a bot
[2016-06-15 07:15:51] BTCDJS : sent from the future to kill bears
[2016-06-15 07:16:42] Mr Blue : Lol, it's trying to kill my profits, needing to lower my entry point, bots not helping me avoid the taker fee lol
[2016-06-15 07:16:50] BTCDJS : Bring me a higher low oh ho
[2016-06-15 07:16:53] jung1 : https://tradeblock.com/markets/stmp/xbt-usd/30m/
[2016-06-15 07:20:50] lockhedge : micmix: it's probably just a coincidence, but wasn't he also market making here?
[2016-06-15 07:22:22] jung1 : http://www.nasdaq.com/de/symbol/gbtc/stock-chart?intraday=off&timeframe=3m&splits=off&earnings=off&movingaverage=None&lowerstudy=macd&comparison=off&index=&drilldown=off bitcon investmet trust is now for 1120$
[2016-06-15 07:28:49] BTCDJS : anyone read the crypto digest? How exactly will brexit fuel the btc moon?
[2016-06-15 07:32:34] micmix : lockhedge: he said 'I am doing something else' even though his bot looked like MM
[2016-06-15 07:36:07] rapidtrades : odds of brexit now gettiing close to 40%
[2016-06-15 07:36:12] lockhedge : micmix: yeah, some sort of liquidity provision which he didn't call market making.
[2016-06-15 07:36:21] Mr Blue : Guys did they change affiliate time table ? Because says 3 of my Facebook friends have joined, erm I didn't invite poor people lol
[2016-06-15 07:37:33] lockhedge : rapidtrades: it's 37.03% now at betfair, used to be >45%
[2016-06-15 07:37:57] rapidtrades : when
[2016-06-15 07:38:07] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: crypto digest says 47% in favour of leave
[2016-06-15 07:38:54] rapidtrades : nope it was 39% last night and jew up says its 37%
[2016-06-15 07:39:20] Mr Blue : Or do you only earn if they're trading 100s of BTC daily? I mean is it only worth calculating for the Adkins if larger amount? I only did the one post, I'll do more if it's working lol
[2016-06-15 07:39:37] Mr Blue : Admins*
[2016-06-15 07:39:42] rapidtrades : it's high enough to cause major volatility in fx markets, not matter the result
[2016-06-15 07:39:57] rapidtrades : f brokers tho man...cutting leverage
[2016-06-15 07:40:08] lockhedge : "Last price matched: 2.7" 1/2.7 = 37.03% https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911 click on the chart button and then check "inverse axis"
[2016-06-15 07:40:11] rapidtrades : some won't even allow GBP trades to open for that entire week
[2016-06-15 07:40:50] jung1 : yesterday I watched Big Short movie once again
[2016-06-15 07:40:55] jung1 : really like it
[2016-06-15 07:40:57] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-06-15 07:41:43] jung1 : about you
[2016-06-15 07:41:53] rapidtrades : jew
[2016-06-15 07:42:05] jung1 : shalom
[2016-06-15 07:42:11] BTCDJS : ah. Will brevet have an effect on bitcoin tho? I don't see how.
[2016-06-15 07:42:18] BTCDJS : BREXIT
[2016-06-15 07:42:31] rapidtrades : nope, only jerk reaction by morans
[2016-06-15 07:42:42] asdfman : union collapse non-effect?
[2016-06-15 07:42:44] jung1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
[2016-06-15 07:43:11] asdfman : the union is pure economic
[2016-06-15 07:43:21] asdfman : isolation
[2016-06-15 07:43:44] rapidtrades : asdfman: are u having a seizure brok?
[2016-06-15 07:43:52] rapidtrades : brok lol bro
[2016-06-15 07:44:02] asdfman : why?
[2016-06-15 07:44:10] jung1 : asdfman: not all of eu countries have euro as a currency
[2016-06-15 07:44:16] rapidtrades : cos ur just sputtering single words
[2016-06-15 07:44:19] BTCDJS : cos you foaming at the mouth lol
[2016-06-15 07:44:48] BTCDJS : He's giving you footnotes
[2016-06-15 07:44:52] asdfman : does not change the fact
[2016-06-15 07:45:00] rapidtrades : if u want to trade brexit, u trade GBP or EUR
[2016-06-15 07:45:21] asdfman : the EU is a corporation
[2016-06-15 07:45:22] rapidtrades : the bitcoin rally could be over by than anyway
[2016-06-15 07:46:44] jung1 : asdfman: true. This is why they did not allow grexit
[2016-06-15 07:46:51] jung1 : couse everything will collapse
[2016-06-15 07:46:55] asdfman : ^^
[2016-06-15 07:46:56] jung1 : same with spain
[2016-06-15 07:47:01] asdfman : yeh
[2016-06-15 07:47:14] jung1 : but now basicly germany own them
[2016-06-15 07:47:31] asdfman : yeah they got screwed and they know it.
[2016-06-15 07:47:43] rapidtrades : wtf is this chat...i can't even
[2016-06-15 07:47:58] jung1 : countries like england, swiss dont give a fuck and if they want they will leave ue
[2016-06-15 07:48:25] jung1 : czech also want to leave eu
[2016-06-15 07:48:51] jung1 : lithuana is screwed after they accept eu as a currency
[2016-06-15 07:49:15] asdfman : and this thing with Artemios Sorras is getting out there too
[2016-06-15 07:49:35] jung1 : but the funniest thing is that eu think about add turkey do ue union
[2016-06-15 07:49:38] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-15 07:49:40] BTCDJS : I never liked the EU anyway. I think it should fail
[2016-06-15 07:49:40] sq : why does czech want to leave EU?
[2016-06-15 07:50:03] asdfman : maybe they dont like communism
[2016-06-15 07:50:06] sq : dont they benefit from it? i can understnad why UK want to leave
[2016-06-15 07:50:10] asdfman : who ould have thunk
[2016-06-15 07:50:16] asdfman : would*
[2016-06-15 07:50:17] jung1 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/12170994/Czechs-will-follow-Britain-out-of-EU.html
[2016-06-15 07:50:26] jung1 : Three-fifths of Czechs said they were unhappy with EU membership and 62 percent said they would vote against it in a referendum, according to an October 2015 poll by the STEM agency.
[2016-06-15 07:50:52] sq : oh the breaking of EU
[2016-06-15 07:51:23] lockhedge : jung1: for the EU it's not a big problem when non-Eurozone members leave, they just join EFTA like Switzerland or Norway. then they will adopt all single market rules without having a vote on them.
[2016-06-15 07:51:41] jung1 : common currency is really bad for foreign trade
[2016-06-15 07:51:47] jung1 : lockhedge: true that
[2016-06-15 07:52:34] jung1 : but if turkey will join eu all turkish citizens could travel across europe with no check in on borders
[2016-06-15 07:52:47] jung1 : now it getting out of control
[2016-06-15 07:52:57] jung1 : with immigrants
[2016-06-15 07:53:07] rapidtrades : oh no all those MUSLIMS in europe
[2016-06-15 07:54:03] jung1 : dude
[2016-06-15 07:54:17] jung1 : sweden in '16 will spend more money on social than on army
[2016-06-15 07:54:31] jung1 : socialism never work
[2016-06-15 07:54:46] jung1 : and people still try this
[2016-06-15 07:54:55] rapidtrades : has nothing to do with what i said
[2016-06-15 07:55:04] Mr Blue : Don't worry about that, turkey will be split in half soon enough, one half probably given to Iran, the other to the EU probably Bulgaria and Greece will benifit.. but maybe I'm thinking too many steps ahead lol
[2016-06-15 07:55:26] BTCDJS : jung1: yin yang. You can't only have war.
[2016-06-15 07:56:05] BTCDJS : without socialist ideas we wouldn't be sitting here feeling comfortable trading bitcoin
[2016-06-15 07:56:06] jung1 : but come on. What is good with giving away free money
[2016-06-15 07:56:38] jung1 : no one will work if everyone will get free money
[2016-06-15 07:57:16] jung1 : why everyone want to help africa by building stuff and send food? Why they will not increase minimum salary?
[2016-06-15 07:57:28] jung1 : with that logic it will solve all problems
[2016-06-15 07:57:37] BTCDJS : jung1: yeah that part has to be tweaked. Systems should be in place to give everyone a fair chance so they wouldn't end up in a position where they have to be handed "free money"
[2016-06-15 07:58:30] jung1 : now immigrant famili with 6 kids get free house and lilke 3k euro per month
[2016-06-15 07:58:37] jung1 : what is the point to work?
[2016-06-15 07:59:13] jung1 : socialists are very good with spending not their money
[2016-06-15 07:59:49] BTCDJS : jung1: yes I agree that people think throwing money at stuff will fix everything. It won't.
[2016-06-15 08:00:23] BTCDJS : socialism isn't only about throwing money at people. Its a bit more complicated
[2016-06-15 08:01:36] jung1 : http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielparishflannery/2016/05/25/political-risk-outlook-venezuelas-economic-emergency/#6dc456675b30
[2016-06-15 08:02:22] jung1 : venezuela have huge oil reserves
[2016-06-15 08:02:40] jung1 : they should be quite rich couse of that
[2016-06-15 08:03:12] jung1 : so what is the reason that they dont have even toilet paper in shops?
[2016-06-15 08:03:39] BTCDJS : jung1: don't tell me socialism caused it
[2016-06-15 08:04:10] jung1 : if not socialims then what?
[2016-06-15 08:05:37] BTCDJS : Dono not following it
[2016-06-15 08:05:50] BTCDJS : tl;dr
[2016-06-15 08:06:55] jung1 : they have summer all year, coke, oil and quite nice girls there
[2016-06-15 08:07:14] jung1 : they should earn a lot form oil and turists
[2016-06-15 08:08:12] elmorte : jung1: before socialism they had elite upper class and poverty everywhere outside of Caracas
[2016-06-15 08:08:13] jung1 : http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10456
[2016-06-15 08:08:14] BTCDJS : I'm saying theres always a balance. You can't only have violent authoritarian ideas based on fear. you need to have equal amount of the fairies and rainbow ideas too. otherwise we are all fucked
[2016-06-15 08:08:33] elmorte : That only worked for rich people
[2016-06-15 08:08:50] BTCDJS : elmorte: yes
[2016-06-15 08:09:18] BTCDJS : jung1: ^^^^^ thats why now to fix it they are throwing money at people
[2016-06-15 08:09:35] BTCDJS : like a nurse in the war trying to fix up broken soldiers
[2016-06-15 08:09:43] jung1 : yeah and you can use bolivars as a toilet baper
[2016-06-15 08:09:52] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-06-15 08:09:54] jung1 : paper
[2016-06-15 08:11:38] jung1 : elmorte: know that
[2016-06-15 08:11:45] jung1 : but still
[2016-06-15 08:11:52] jung1 : free market > regulations
[2016-06-15 08:13:56] lockhedge : jung1: a free market needs immigration. boarders have to be open for goods, services, capital and people ;)
[2016-06-15 08:14:34] elmorte : jung1: didn't you just say you re-watched the Big Short? I haven't seen or read the book, but wasn't the lack of regulation a key issue?
[2016-06-15 08:15:01] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-15 08:15:23] jung1 : '08 crisis is well explained there
[2016-06-15 08:15:58] elmorte : so regulations are sometimes helpful?
[2016-06-15 08:16:42] jung1 : also I really like Enron:smartest guy in the room. Its more about creativity than free market/regulations
[2016-06-15 08:16:59] jung1 : depends for who
[2016-06-15 08:17:06] jung1 : but yeas. free market is utopia
[2016-06-15 08:29:23] BTCDJS : @jung1https://youtu.be/RvOnXh3NN9w
[2016-06-15 08:30:17] lockhedge : capitalism vs. socialism is anyway a battle of the last century. the political fight is more about open society vs. authoritarianism now. "working class" people are not supporting the welfare state, they support Trump and right wing parties in Europe now
[2016-06-15 08:30:20] BTCDJS : a little less authoritarian and a little more socialism would've prevented this
[2016-06-15 08:31:11] jung1 : BTCDJS: all that crisis is because us killed khadafi
[2016-06-15 08:31:28] jung1 : he want to trade oil by gold not for us dollars
[2016-06-15 08:31:44] jung1 : so they bring democracy there
[2016-06-15 08:49:43] Patryn : How is the "mark price" calculated? Wondering about this $175 spread for Quarterly.
[2016-06-15 08:50:10] vbmithr : Click on "mark Price" on the page
[2016-06-15 08:50:16] vbmithr : It will redirect you to the doc
[2016-06-15 08:50:33] Patryn : thank you
[2016-06-15 08:50:43] vbmithr : np
[2016-06-15 08:55:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 1650 @ 835.13
[2016-06-15 08:58:39] ethexio : Site is fucked up. Can't even place an order, says I need 50K btc to place a 1btc short (as a test)
[2016-06-15 08:59:00] ethexio : Finally let me place order.
[2016-06-15 09:00:15] vbmithr : hu?
[2016-06-15 09:00:19] ethexio : Closed fine
[2016-06-15 09:00:35] ethexio : That was weird.
[2016-06-15 09:06:50] jung1 : coinbase just added eth
[2016-06-15 09:07:53] ethexio : Oh that was bull shit.. no confirmation on orders placed, thought they weren't going through. Then they all show up at once. Roi showed positive, closed because WTF, and now down 1/2 balance.
[2016-06-15 09:08:47] stf28 : usual, its funny how realised pnl and unrealised are broken
[2016-06-15 09:09:10] Mr Blue : ethexio: forget the ROE just sell for more than you paid, or buy back lower than you shorted.
[2016-06-15 09:09:40] dharmabum : I had a tiny experimental trade recently that liquidation price of 100 million XBT.
[2016-06-15 09:10:54] stf28 : nice !
[2016-06-15 09:12:26] dharmabum : Let your profits run hehe…
[2016-06-15 09:14:36] ethexio : This was retarded. Kept trying to place order, reloaded and tried again. Nothing showed. Then did the 1 contract test which finally worked and shoes confirmation and showed I had 1btc contract position open. Closed it out of WTF then all the rest showed up .. all positive/green. Closed but now have 1/2 or less balance available.
[2016-06-15 09:14:53] xzsd : Look price going to 690 in 3minutes
[2016-06-15 09:14:56] ethexio : I'm done here maybe
[2016-06-15 09:15:26] Mr Blue : ethexio: did you have it on cross??
[2016-06-15 09:15:49] Mr Blue : ethexio: surely you must of known you was selling for less than you paid?
[2016-06-15 09:17:32] stf28 : what's nice is that they use these wrong counts for handling your money
[2016-06-15 09:17:41] Mr Blue : ethexio: if your new here my top tip if us you want to short ten against Bitcoin you must buy it not sell lol, I made that mistake.
[2016-06-15 09:17:55] ethexio : Yes. Cross. Nothing to do with what I'm talking about and you Missed point, so cheers .
[2016-06-15 09:18:01] ethexio : Not new.
[2016-06-15 09:18:13] Mr Blue : Short Yen
[2016-06-15 09:18:32] Mr Blue : ethexio: okay no problem mate
[2016-06-15 09:18:55] ethexio : Have fun.
[2016-06-15 09:19:24] jung1 : btc could go up to 3k on halving
[2016-06-15 09:19:57] BTCDJS : jung1: shut the front door
[2016-06-15 09:20:10] Patryn : lol
[2016-06-15 09:20:11] BTCDJS : what makes you say that?
[2016-06-15 09:22:47] jung1 : math
[2016-06-15 09:22:50] jung1 : and intuition
[2016-06-15 09:22:51] jung1 : https://seebitcoin.com/2016/06/an-objective-look-at-past-bitcoin-rallies-and-what-we-might-expect-now/
[2016-06-15 09:24:32] stf28 : first 3 rallies were driven by mtgox bot it's official
[2016-06-15 09:24:39] elmorte : 100m XBT liqd price on cross margin just means that you have more balance available than the notional value of the short
[2016-06-15 09:25:22] elmorte : They could've put infinity somehow :)
[2016-06-15 09:25:58] Patryn : ∞
[2016-06-15 09:26:10] BTCDJS : jung1: present your mathematical evidence here:
[2016-06-15 09:26:26] elmorte : Patryn: that's just a sideways 8
[2016-06-15 09:27:02] Patryn : It's the infiniti symbol on my screen.
[2016-06-15 09:27:09] Patryn : infinity*
[2016-06-15 09:27:24] jung1 : same chances for 3k a fo $0
[2016-06-15 09:27:48] Patryn : U+221E
[2016-06-15 09:27:55] jung1 : we have no Idea if there is no wally 2.0
[2016-06-15 09:27:59] elmorte : Patryn: :p
[2016-06-15 09:28:06] BTCDJS : jung1: why not 3trn?
[2016-06-15 09:29:16] jung1 : 3trn?
[2016-06-15 09:29:18] stf28 : jung1: there are alternatively on houbi, okc and btchina
[2016-06-15 09:29:55] jung1 : stf28: +1
[2016-06-15 09:30:11] jung1 : so how do we know that this pump is natural
[2016-06-15 09:30:15] jung1 : we dont
[2016-06-15 09:30:39] stf28 : "natural" might mean willy in bitcoin world
[2016-06-15 09:39:16] wurstgelee : natural willy pump ofc
[2016-06-15 09:40:47] NukeLaloosh : elmorte: could i email you a question on trade finance?
[2016-06-15 09:42:27] elmorte : Sure bud, what's your email address, I'll mail you first
[2016-06-15 09:43:23] elmorte : Or you can get on irc and message me there
[2016-06-15 09:44:14] NukeLaloosh : jollificater@gmail.com
[2016-06-15 09:44:19] NukeLaloosh : thanks
[2016-06-15 09:46:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBJ24H`: Sell 15 @ 71467.00000
[2016-06-15 09:47:32] wurstgelee : can we see more btc blood today please? i ned a good spot to lon
[2016-06-15 09:47:33] wurstgelee : thanks
[2016-06-15 09:47:33] wurstgelee : :)
[2016-06-15 09:47:39] wurstgelee : *need
[2016-06-15 09:47:48] wurstgelee : *long
[2016-06-15 09:47:48] micmix : wurstgelee: coming
[2016-06-15 09:47:56] wurstgelee : ffs this keyboard sucks
[2016-06-15 09:48:02] wurstgelee : micmix: yep
[2016-06-15 09:57:50] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: could you make a bot that hits the orderbook on testnet a bit more active? one trade in 2-3 minutes is not enough for good tests
[2016-06-15 09:59:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 674.19
[2016-06-15 10:00:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1050 @ 673.62
[2016-06-15 10:04:38] elmorte : Any Aussies here?
[2016-06-15 10:06:23] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Sure, I have the worlds' worst bot trading there at the moment
[2016-06-15 10:06:29] BitMEX_Wally : Wallybot
[2016-06-15 10:06:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 17 @ 673.45
[2016-06-15 10:06:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 568 @ 673.29
[2016-06-15 10:07:36] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: nice lol! pumping the price to 100k, are we?
[2016-06-15 10:08:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 355 @ 672.64
[2016-06-15 10:08:06] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-06-15 10:08:58] luckynuke : next stop doooom
[2016-06-15 10:09:00] luckynuke : :D
[2016-06-15 10:09:03] zanza : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycIpOZY03OM
[2016-06-15 10:12:25] jung1 : 500 could be awesome
[2016-06-15 10:14:15] Mr Blue : That wouldn't be awesome lol, I'm long average entry 680
[2016-06-15 10:16:13] billz : 500 is wishful thinking
[2016-06-15 10:17:01] jung1 : yeah I know
[2016-06-15 10:17:08] jung1 : maybe in 6months from now
[2016-06-15 10:17:13] jung1 : but who know
[2016-06-15 10:17:27] jung1 : maybe satoshi will dump his coins on next bubble
[2016-06-15 10:19:17] Mr Blue : Ye an build the great buy wall of China just under it lol.. not that I believe in Satoshi
[2016-06-15 10:31:06] jung1 : even if you do not belive in him
[2016-06-15 10:31:15] jung1 : he sitting now on $700mln
[2016-06-15 10:31:51] Mr Blue : jung1: some entity is for sure, but I believe it's the global elites
[2016-06-15 10:31:51] Bitcoingirl : will we hold 675
[2016-06-15 10:31:53] Bitcoingirl : that is the question
[2016-06-15 10:32:16] BTCDJS : yes
[2016-06-15 10:32:33] BTCDJS : or no
[2016-06-15 10:33:00] BTCDJS : no matter which way we go I will be right
[2016-06-15 10:33:15] BTCDJS : and I will come out and say I called it
[2016-06-15 10:33:32] jung1 : yeah rich with money or experience
[2016-06-15 10:36:41] BTCDJS : bitcoin always pumps on the weekend. So i may have made a mistake going long ?
[2016-06-15 10:43:01] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: what entry price?
[2016-06-15 10:43:50] rapidtrades : 666
[2016-06-15 10:46:04] jung1 : scary one
[2016-06-15 10:46:18] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: I'll buy more at that level if we drop ? pic might be trolling but seems to be pumping
[2016-06-15 10:46:37] Mr Blue : Woodchopper lol
[2016-06-15 10:46:50] BTCDJS : 679.7. Looked like strong resistance but I think now there will still be room to go down to 670
[2016-06-15 10:47:40] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: I'm in at 680 was 690 but lowered it
[2016-06-15 10:48:56] jung1 : https://rise.vision/
[2016-06-15 10:48:56] jung1 : lisk clone
[2016-06-15 10:53:20] rapidtrades : us needs to stop freaking out on every china selling....we're still $15 below them
[2016-06-15 10:53:45] Mr Blue : I thought Lisk was just a token on the ETH blockchain anybody can create by adding code to ETH blockchain?, I mean couldn't I added a bit of a lolcat to Eth blockchain and create a new 100 million tokens?
[2016-06-15 10:53:57] rapidtrades : noone cares what lisk is
[2016-06-15 10:54:12] Mr Blue : Gif*
[2016-06-15 10:55:47] Mr Blue : My point is how can it be cloned? Doesn't have it's own blockchain dies it?
[2016-06-15 10:55:54] Mr Blue : Does it*
[2016-06-15 10:56:51] aethlios : Mr Blue: lisk different coin blockchain,
[2016-06-15 10:57:46] jung1 : Mr Blue: lisk it not eth clone
[2016-06-15 10:58:08] Mr Blue : aethlios: ahh sounds okay then, might be worth a research , if it was just token on Eth blockchain would be fucked
[2016-06-15 10:59:10] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/K7JAkvq.jpg
[2016-06-15 10:59:33] Mr Blue : jung1: what also is it?
[2016-06-15 10:59:35] aethlios : Mr Blue: it is a different coin-platform similar to eth, tries to offer similar products (smart contracts) like eth blockchain.
[2016-06-15 10:59:45] Mr Blue : Algo*
[2016-06-15 11:00:01] jung1 : Mr Blue: http://i.imgur.com/K7JAkvq.jpg
[2016-06-15 11:01:02] Mr Blue : aethlios: I've seen others with smart contact features, but I think something is in the works about that for Bitcoin?
[2016-06-15 11:02:10] Mr Blue : Lightning network ?? Or is that one just for fast blockchain transactions?
[2016-06-15 11:03:26] aethlios : Mr Blue: there is something called sidechains to work parallel to btc, but I don't know how far they have come. I am more in the trading sector, but also try to learn the tech behind in order to make decisions. The tech behind each crypto is the fundamentals of a stock-company. So a lot of research needed.
[2016-06-15 11:04:01] aethlios : Mr Blue: lighting is for transactions and the block size issue solution.
[2016-06-15 11:04:05] Mr Blue : aethlios: true +1 to that
[2016-06-15 11:04:32] jung1 : in '16 there will be huge bubble on all daos
[2016-06-15 11:04:40] jung1 : similar do dotcom bubble
[2016-06-15 11:04:46] jung1 : maybe a bit smaller
[2016-06-15 11:04:50] jung1 : but who knows
[2016-06-15 11:05:41] rapidtrades : what's with the volatility here
[2016-06-15 11:06:09] aethlios : Mr Blue: this year I invested in Lisk ico only and my next target is Zcash. 2 years of development and in September it starts. https://z.cash/
[2016-06-15 11:07:23] aethlios : but I didn't got in eth, I knew about it but I didn't risk it.
[2016-06-15 11:07:57] aethlios : rapidtrades: a bot must lost it.... it trades 9000
[2016-06-15 11:08:05] Mr Blue : aethlios: cool I'll look in to it
[2016-06-15 11:09:02] jung1 : aethlios: oh its still alive, I heard about it back in '14
[2016-06-15 11:09:33] aethlios : jung1: a lot of development happening, and a big team.
[2016-06-15 11:10:08] jung1 : btw this is why Im thinking that all dao/blockchain bubble actually start
[2016-06-15 11:10:09] aethlios : jung1: no ico, mining from the 1st coin. so not a fast profit.
[2016-06-15 11:10:49] jung1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects 5 of 20 biggest crowdfunding project ever are blockchain related
[2016-06-15 11:13:42] jung1 : aethlios: even eth moving on pos in '17
[2016-06-15 11:13:53] jung1 : so dont know if its good
[2016-06-15 11:17:02] jung1 : aethlios: so you are going to invest in minning of z cash
[2016-06-15 11:17:03] jung1 : ?
[2016-06-15 11:18:16] jung1 : or wait until bitmex add zcash perpetual futures and open long right after an never close?
[2016-06-15 11:19:57] aethlios : jung1: I got in lisk with 10.350 usd, received 150.000 coins with 0.07 usd, sold 50.000 with 0.455 usd, so I will invest the 10.350 again. Either buy from exchange or hire mining rigs or mining power fron nicehash, which is cheaper.
[2016-06-15 11:20:53] jung1 : yeah I made similar as you
[2016-06-15 11:21:35] jung1 : sold some my ICO lisks and invest in waves
[2016-06-15 11:22:47] aethlios : jung1: I keep the rest 100.000 for voting profit sharing delegates to earn interest while waiting for the devs to start deliver.
[2016-06-15 11:23:13] jung1 : same :)
[2016-06-15 11:23:19] jung1 : : )
[2016-06-15 11:23:43] aethlios : jung1: safe strategy, and interest earning strategy, or arb!!
[2016-06-15 11:26:54] jung1 : Im thinking of run some site with interesting blockchain project to invest in
[2016-06-15 11:27:13] jung1 : or even dao investment fund
[2016-06-15 11:27:34] rapidtrades : Don't give me dao nao!
[2016-06-15 11:27:37] aethlios : jung1: https://wings.ai/
[2016-06-15 11:27:58] rapidtrades : u guys post the shadiest links
[2016-06-15 11:28:00] jung1 : saw it
[2016-06-15 11:28:22] aethlios : wings is a platform for dao's, the major dev of crypti started it. lisk is based on crypti.
[2016-06-15 11:28:23] rapidtrades : www.tits.ass
[2016-06-15 11:29:14] aethlios : but i want get in wings either, next target zcash, 2 alts investment in a year is ok.
[2016-06-15 11:29:38] rapidtrades : they're not 'investments'
[2016-06-15 11:30:17] jung1 : well imo in this year there will be a lot of good opportunities to earn on dao/blockchain
[2016-06-15 11:31:00] Bacon futures trader : Yehhh buy the dip
[2016-06-15 11:32:02] aethlios : Lisk bought in ico is a good long term investment in the blockchain upps tech, also you earn interest-income while waiting.
[2016-06-15 11:32:43] aethlios : for me who lost eth, lisk was a good opportunity
[2016-06-15 11:33:39] futuretrader : when is th next rebalance]
[2016-06-15 11:33:42] rapidtrades : look at these cunts https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/revealed-bosses-final-plea-stay-073912544.html
[2016-06-15 11:33:56] Bacon futures trader : Only succesfull ico I know is eth
[2016-06-15 11:34:04] Bacon futures trader : 9ipo
[2016-06-15 11:34:56] jung1 : Bacon futures trader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects 5 of 20 biggest crowdfunding project ever are blockchain related
[2016-06-15 11:36:47] rapidtrades : god dam dao is n1....just shows how stupid ppl are
[2016-06-15 11:37:02] rapidtrades : $164,400,000
[2016-06-15 11:37:07] BTCDJS : When the moon hits you eye, like a big pizza pie, thats amore
[2016-06-15 11:37:44] rapidtrades : here that sound folks? its all the $$$ earned during by 'early' adopters going out the window
[2016-06-15 11:38:07] rapidtrades : ok i butchered that but u get my point
[2016-06-15 11:38:41] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: Holders of DAO get rewarded when the projects are successful and make profit.
[2016-06-15 11:38:54] rapidtrades : so never?
[2016-06-15 11:40:23] BTCDJS : Its the first of its kind so maybe or maybe not. But if its successful, it'll be mega successful
[2016-06-15 11:40:38] rapidtrades : hint: it won't
[2016-06-15 11:40:50] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you don't know that
[2016-06-15 11:41:03] rapidtrades : ur right....but im 95% sure
[2016-06-15 11:41:22] BTCDJS : you're 95% sceptical
[2016-06-15 11:42:26] jung1 : dao did not conviced me. I like the idea but will wait for dao 2.0
[2016-06-15 11:42:44] BTCDJS : jung1: yeah I didn't invest either
[2016-06-15 11:49:10] Bacon futures trader : That dao liquidity lol
[2016-06-15 11:49:34] Bacon futures trader : What's dao market cap?
[2016-06-15 11:49:42] STRML : 0, I think
[2016-06-15 11:53:46] rapidtrades : Scottish Brexit poll: 53% remain 32% leave
[2016-06-15 12:00:47] stf28 : seriously how is that possible every funding f**cks up with wrong numbers
[2016-06-15 12:01:30] rapidtrades : ur bot sucks dude
[2016-06-15 12:02:13] stf28 : yeah i know but it's not my bot which does the funding
[2016-06-15 12:02:28] j8 : what wrong numbers
[2016-06-15 12:03:04] stf28 : bitmex admitted to make wrong counts int unrealised/realised pnl, but this doesn't keep 'em from using it in funding calculations
[2016-06-15 12:03:46] stf28 : i'm really curious to see the extended trade history, i saved everything i can
[2016-06-15 12:04:07] stf28 : wallet balance should be on trade history, why isn't?
[2016-06-15 12:04:55] j8 : dunno people have asked for it for a long time
[2016-06-15 12:05:02] stf28 : shady
[2016-06-15 12:05:17] stf28 : i'm curious to see how will they manage this
[2016-06-15 12:05:26] j8 : my funding transactions are for the right amount. i haven't noticed any problem there
[2016-06-15 12:05:31] rapidtrades : stf28: just use the size of ur position whats the problem
[2016-06-15 12:05:40] rapidtrades : can't u do the calc urself
[2016-06-15 12:05:53] stf28 : yeah and it greatly differs from what happens here
[2016-06-15 12:06:01] rapidtrades : i doubt that
[2016-06-15 12:06:28] BitMEX_Wally : stf28: Please email support@bitmex.com and I can explain all calculations on your account
[2016-06-15 12:06:38] rapidtrades : are u taking into account the fact that ur BTC position decays in btc terms when we go up @stf28
[2016-06-15 12:06:58] stf28 : i don't want you to explain, i want the wallet balance on trade history, retroactively
[2016-06-15 12:07:24] rapidtrades : the funding is right there in ur trading history
[2016-06-15 12:07:38] rapidtrades : along with size...post it
[2016-06-15 12:07:41] j8 : one thing that happens is the mark price rises by an amount equal to the next period's funding.. so if you're short and the funding rate increases you will have more unrealised loss than the realised gain from funding. but you get it eventually
[2016-06-15 12:07:42] stf28 : i want realised profits instantly as losses are
[2016-06-15 12:08:04] j8 : realised profits from funding ARE instant
[2016-06-15 12:08:04] rapidtrades : lol not gonna happen
[2016-06-15 12:08:14] j8 : just not trading profits
[2016-06-15 12:08:21] stf28 : yeah of course, this isn't problem, the problem is that unrealised/realised pnl are broken and this is wwhat is used to calc funding
[2016-06-15 12:08:27] BitMEX_Sam : stf28: No, it is not.
[2016-06-15 12:08:38] BitMEX_Wally : How are they broken?
[2016-06-15 12:08:40] rapidtrades : stf28: u use the size of ur position to calc funding
[2016-06-15 12:08:46] lockhedge : stf28: if you need a python script that calculates your PNL based on your trade history, i can upload it somewhere
[2016-06-15 12:08:52] rapidtrades : profits have 0 to do with funding
[2016-06-15 12:09:07] stf28 : please explain how can i have unrealised pnl of -0.35 since days ?
[2016-06-15 12:09:28] rapidtrades : on what instrument
[2016-06-15 12:09:36] stf28 : position was opened/closed a lot of times, but this doesn't change
[2016-06-15 12:09:48] rapidtrades : on what
[2016-06-15 12:09:58] stf28 : xbtusd
[2016-06-15 12:10:19] j8 : unrealised pnl should be changing with the price. if your position is closed it should be zero
[2016-06-15 12:10:24] stf28 : lockhedge: thanks, curious to see it
[2016-06-15 12:10:52] stf28 : j8: yeah, seems logical, even if it's "perpetual"
[2016-06-15 12:10:52] BitMEX_Wally : Your unrealised PNL is calculated from the last rebalance price to the current mark price
[2016-06-15 12:11:02] BitMEX_Wally : all other PNL is realised
[2016-06-15 12:11:17] stf28 : BitMEX_Wally: yes, so why doesn't it reset at 0 when no position ?
[2016-06-15 12:11:40] stf28 : why profits are witheld and losses instant?
[2016-06-15 12:12:00] rapidtrades : asking the tough questions
[2016-06-15 12:12:13] stf28 : is that a proof of good will?
[2016-06-15 12:12:17] stf28 : i doubt
[2016-06-15 12:12:30] stf28 : why wallet balance isn't shown in trade history ?
[2016-06-15 12:12:50] aethlios : uptrend resumed? what do you think?
[2016-06-15 12:13:09] BitMEX_Sam : stf28: Neither losses nor profits are realised until the next rebalance, in case you go from loss to profit
[2016-06-15 12:13:24] stf28 : BitMEX_Sam: wrong, losses are deducted from wallet instantly
[2016-06-15 12:13:30] BitMEX_Sam : As for wallet balance not being in trade history, that's simply because they're different data sets - we have an open ticket to expand that data
[2016-06-15 12:13:45] stf28 : different data set? why that?
[2016-06-15 12:13:46] BitMEX_Sam : stf28: Not wrong, of course if you lose money it must be deducted as you cannot trade with lost money
[2016-06-15 12:13:51] BitMEX_Sam : They're different tables
[2016-06-15 12:14:08] stf28 : BitMEX_Sam: losses aren't deducted from profit but from wallet
[2016-06-15 12:14:19] BitMEX_Sam : Let's say you have 1 XBT wallet balance and you lose 0.3 XBT and close out. You now have 0.7 wallet balance, -0.3 XBT of which is unrealised pnl
[2016-06-15 12:14:21] stf28 : whereas profit is witheld
[2016-06-15 12:14:25] rapidtrades : ah i see his point
[2016-06-15 12:14:36] BitMEX_Sam : If you make 0.3 XBT, your profit is immediately realised as it has offset your loss
[2016-06-15 12:14:59] rapidtrades : ok cool so ur wrong @stf28
[2016-06-15 12:15:00] BitMEX_Sam : If you make another 0.3 XBT from there, you have 0.3 XBT withheld profit and 0.3 XBT unrealised PNL
[2016-06-15 12:15:06] stf28 : BitMEX_Sam: i bring 1 btc, win 2btc witheld, lose 1 of profit and can't trade why is that?
[2016-06-15 12:15:18] BitMEX_Sam : Were they on different contracts?
[2016-06-15 12:15:22] stf28 : no
[2016-06-15 12:15:46] BitMEX_Sam : Are you being theoretical? I don't see trades of that size in your account from a cursory glance
[2016-06-15 12:15:54] Death : Wtf why do i have 50% of my position ?
[2016-06-15 12:16:10] BitMEX_Wally : If you have currentQty = 0 then unrealisedPNL = 0.
[2016-06-15 12:16:10] stf28 : no of course, i won't bring any serious money here
[2016-06-15 12:16:27] BitMEX_Sam : Okay, then what I will say is that your hypothetical is incorrect
[2016-06-15 12:16:34] Mr Blue : Lmao
[2016-06-15 12:17:29] stf28 : BitMEX_Sam: i have lots of screenshots and data to show it's not theoretical
[2016-06-15 12:17:32] BitMEX_Sam : If you start with 1 XBT, make 2 and lose 1, you have 1 XBT unrealised PNL / witheld profit
[2016-06-15 12:17:33] Mr Blue : stf28: you need money to make money mate, sad fact of life but it's the truth.
[2016-06-15 12:17:46] BitMEX_Wally : Profit is withheld until after rebalance
[2016-06-15 12:17:56] stf28 : BitMEX_Wally: yeah profit is witheld and losses are instant
[2016-06-15 12:18:02] Death : Why am i down 1 btc ?
[2016-06-15 12:18:10] stf28 : BitMEX_Wally: that's normal
[2016-06-15 12:18:47] BitMEX_Sam : Death: Do you want me to discuss account details here or via email?