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[2016-06-14 19:11:13] j8 : i dunno that's fair game isn't it?
[2016-06-14 19:11:52] j8 : you can sell as much as you want. maybe if you conspire with others to manipulate the market, that's illegal
[2016-06-14 19:12:02] rapidtrades : most of them are prolly in china, so there's f*ck all we can do anyway
[2016-06-14 19:16:12] Mr Blue : it pisses me off... any whale with 10k + BTC could shit on us here for 5000 then dump the market with the rest, and buy back more off the scared bears, before pointing the market back in a positive direction... maybe it is fair game.. but only if they needed to cash out, surely must be some projection from such big move actions.
[2016-06-14 19:17:41] j8 : that's the nature of the game. it's risky to hold bitcoin, and even riskier to hold leveraged positions
[2016-06-14 19:17:46] Mr Blue : I like the fact it's a free market,, but we need some sort of protection.
[2016-06-14 19:18:30] rapidtrades : Mr Blue: protection? buy a pacifier u big baby
[2016-06-14 19:18:42] j8 : look at the stock market. something like amazon or google with tons of liquidity could gap up or down 15% on open. and people sell options
[2016-06-14 19:18:56] Mr Blue : it's insidius because it's not like they only dump on the one exchange, if they wanted to cash out they could much closer to spot, they dumping for a reason
[2016-06-14 19:19:19] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: lmao
[2016-06-14 19:20:55] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: oh no. Is he on one again?
[2016-06-14 19:21:06] Mr Blue : j8: ye but in the real work stock market, is their protection against such dumping action in order to buy back more?
[2016-06-14 19:21:24] Mr Blue : world*
[2016-06-14 19:21:27] j8 : um no there's a whole market for shorting, which is what that is
[2016-06-14 19:21:35] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: lol you love it
[2016-06-14 19:22:02] j8 : there are usually limit up / down circuit breakers
[2016-06-14 19:23:48] Mr Blue : j8: lmao, true guess I just need more Bitcoin, so I can play such moves my self, was just jealous.
[2016-06-14 19:24:04] Mr Blue : j8: circuit breakers?
[2016-06-14 19:25:18] Mr Blue : never mind I'll give it a research, nothing better to do tonight lo
[2016-06-14 19:25:24] j8 : yeah, there might be a limit of a 20% move per trading session then the market is paused. different rules on different markets, probably not all have them
[2016-06-14 19:25:46] justinlooking : normally accompanied by a preopen
[2016-06-14 19:26:00] j8 : bitfinex uses circuit breakers, they don't fully specify them though
[2016-06-14 19:26:24] j8 : and they haven't been activated in a long time
[2016-06-14 19:27:01] rapidtrades : j8: wat
[2016-06-14 19:27:08] rapidtrades : how m
[2016-06-14 19:27:13] rapidtrades : much...lag
[2016-06-14 19:27:44] j8 : what is your question
[2016-06-14 19:27:56] rapidtrades : what are the circuit breajers
[2016-06-14 19:28:11] j8 : they don't say exactly
[2016-06-14 19:28:17] rapidtrades : WAT
[2016-06-14 19:28:25] j8 : it's part of their liquidation management
[2016-06-14 19:28:26] rapidtrades : that's the dumbest thing i ever heard
[2016-06-14 19:28:31] j8 : mhmm
[2016-06-14 19:28:52] rapidtrades : u can't have circuit breakers in a decentralized market
[2016-06-14 19:29:05] j8 : bitfinex isn't decentralized
[2016-06-14 19:29:17] rapidtrades : not this shit again
[2016-06-14 19:29:44] justinlooking : is the slider above the buy/sell buttons on testnet rolling out soon?
[2016-06-14 19:30:03] j8 : pgp has said that they weren't triggered even on the flash crash to 160
[2016-06-14 19:30:34] j8 : the last time was like feb 2014 i think
[2016-06-14 19:31:23] rapidtrades : fev 10th?
[2016-06-14 19:31:39] j8 : i think so
[2016-06-14 19:32:52] j8 : stops people from manipulating the price to $0.01 and liquidating absolutely everyone at least
[2016-06-14 19:33:18] rapidtrades : no it doesn't
[2016-06-14 19:34:58] j8 : whatever you say fella
[2016-06-14 19:35:31] rapidtrades : ok fella
[2016-06-14 19:35:35] justinlooking : zzz rapid give it a rest
[2016-06-14 19:35:55] wurstgelee : as if he could do that
[2016-06-14 19:35:58] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-14 19:36:31] j8 : ah we have fun, don't we
[2016-06-14 19:37:08] justinlooking : bbl
[2016-06-14 19:44:44] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Not sure yet on that slider, I've been meaning to give it a design pass
[2016-06-14 19:44:57] BitMEX_Sam : They're useful but don't look great.
[2016-06-14 19:49:37] rapidtrades : are longs dead?
[2016-06-14 19:49:49] rapidtrades : looks like we won't see another freakout selling
[2016-06-14 19:52:46] j8 : all else being equal, we should be priced below mark by 0.375%, since the rate is dropping by that amount, and that's where we are
[2016-06-14 20:00:55] rapidtrades : well well....0.05%
[2016-06-14 20:08:25] BTCDJS : was that increase in price due to funding? I wasn't looking
[2016-06-14 20:08:50] j8 : yes
[2016-06-14 20:09:26] j8 : also the spot price went up a little
[2016-06-14 20:11:14] luckynuke : china 700$
[2016-06-14 20:12:05] huangyong : 0.0549%
[2016-06-14 20:16:16] j8 : you can all feel free to get long again
[2016-06-14 20:18:13] huangyong : get long
[2016-06-14 20:19:05] j8 : buy buy buy
[2016-06-14 20:37:20] 1QaZxSw2 : dont really like this move.... im afraid they will sell now
[2016-06-14 20:37:52] 1QaZxSw2 : but if it pulls back and tries again, i may enter long
[2016-06-14 20:40:38] 1QaZxSw2 : good news is there's support near 660 and i expect holders to buy dips near there
[2016-06-14 20:40:55] 1QaZxSw2 : after its already moved up, fomosexuals will enter
[2016-06-14 20:41:46] 1QaZxSw2 : smart money bought at 660 and selling now to fomos, who are buying high
[2016-06-14 20:43:01] 1QaZxSw2 : anyway, basically i dont think there is a bull trend until theres a higher low
[2016-06-14 20:44:14] BTCDJS : 1QaZxSw2: if there is a higher low. It should be at around 680
[2016-06-14 20:45:03] BTCDJS : 673-678 actually
[2016-06-14 20:45:10] 1QaZxSw2 : depends on how fast it drops. a sudden drop may mean lower, a slow series of drops may mean 680
[2016-06-14 20:45:29] 1QaZxSw2 : it could go up now quite a bit, even above 700, so you can still trade long, but need to watch carefully
[2016-06-14 20:45:47] luckynuke : china is fighting
[2016-06-14 20:45:48] BTCDJS : 1QaZxSw2: Im with you on this one
[2016-06-14 20:45:53] 1QaZxSw2 : but if you want to trade size and you want leverage, you want a better price
[2016-06-14 20:46:44] 1QaZxSw2 : i am comfortable entering long low or short high. when the dam thing is mid, i stay out because ... it could go either way
[2016-06-14 20:47:34] 1QaZxSw2 : thank god dpe is back to zero. if any bitmex folks are listening. whatever you did to bring it to zero, thank you
[2016-06-14 20:47:36] BTCDJS : 1QaZxSw2: I was hoping for a retrace to low 600s. But this may be it for the retrace. though the 1d chart leads me to believe there is still some more room down
[2016-06-14 20:47:48] luckynuke : china trades btc still above 700
[2016-06-14 20:47:59] luckynuke : they are fighting at 705
[2016-06-14 20:48:14] 1QaZxSw2 : cant blame china. govt is trying to f___ the yuan
[2016-06-14 20:48:19] BTCDJS : luckynuke: isn't china asleep?
[2016-06-14 20:48:28] 1QaZxSw2 : heck i would move most of my coin to btc if i was in china
[2016-06-14 20:48:36] 1QaZxSw2 : i mean most of my yuan
[2016-06-14 20:48:47] 1QaZxSw2 : but think like a chinese citizen
[2016-06-14 20:48:59] 1QaZxSw2 : your country has decided to f__ the currency
[2016-06-14 20:49:13] 1QaZxSw2 : but does that mean you will pay any damn price for btc?
[2016-06-14 20:49:19] luckynuke : BTCDJS: markets are open 24/7
[2016-06-14 20:49:21] 1QaZxSw2 : no, you want a deal and you want to accumulate
[2016-06-14 20:50:04] 1QaZxSw2 : so you wait until the price drops surprisingly low and like a macy's 50% off sale. you buy when its a deal'
[2016-06-14 20:50:18] 1QaZxSw2 : you dont buy when it keeps going up, thats momentum trading
[2016-06-14 20:50:55] 1QaZxSw2 : legit form of trading, yes but high leverage. quick in quick out
[2016-06-14 20:51:28] 1QaZxSw2 : now if you think btc is going to 1000, you want to buy a bit at 700, more at 600 and a whole lot more <500 if it ever goes there
[2016-06-14 20:51:41] 1QaZxSw2 : buy low, sell high
[2016-06-14 20:52:00] luckynuke : <600/500 maybe after halving
[2016-06-14 20:52:09] 1QaZxSw2 : dont buy high and sell low, no matter how obvious this seems, folks always do it in the heat of the moment
[2016-06-14 20:52:19] rapidtrades : good morning china
[2016-06-14 20:52:21] 1QaZxSw2 : trading with emotions f____ your account
[2016-06-14 20:52:32] 1QaZxSw2 : you need strategery
[2016-06-14 20:52:35] rapidtrades : god bless their slated eyes :)
[2016-06-14 20:53:13] 1QaZxSw2 : china today, europe tomorrow
[2016-06-14 20:53:26] 1QaZxSw2 : when economies get f____d, gold used to be refuge
[2016-06-14 20:53:29] 1QaZxSw2 : now it will be btc
[2016-06-14 20:53:40] 1QaZxSw2 : well at least some of it
[2016-06-14 20:53:45] rapidtrades : plz let's keep it real
[2016-06-14 20:53:50] rapidtrades : noone of that is happening
[2016-06-14 20:56:39] luckynuke : closed long
[2016-06-14 20:57:12] BTCDJS : this might go to 702 and retrace to 690 before more up
[2016-06-14 20:57:23] BTCDJS : Might
[2016-06-14 20:59:52] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: does this look like a turn around to you?
[2016-06-14 21:02:03] wurstgelee : not until it smashes 4800 cny
[2016-06-14 21:02:13] wurstgelee : then u know for sure
[2016-06-14 21:02:14] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-14 21:02:48] BTCDJS : thanks
[2016-06-14 21:03:29] wurstgelee : np. please dont take any trollbox advice too seriously tho. non, including mine
[2016-06-14 21:03:56] wurstgelee : the earlier u make up your own mind, the better
[2016-06-14 21:03:57] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-14 21:05:05] BTCDJS : wurstgelee: yeah I know. But its more about recognising it. Just want to see if this is an indicator.
[2016-06-14 21:05:11] luckynuke : Germans here ?
[2016-06-14 21:05:22] stf28 : wow
[2016-06-14 21:05:22] BTCDJS : recognising patterns so to speak
[2016-06-14 21:05:25] wurstgelee : luckynuke: maybe =)
[2016-06-14 21:05:38] luckynuke : hab ichs doch richtig gerochen...
[2016-06-14 21:05:48] wurstgelee : naheliegend bei dem nick ;)
[2016-06-14 21:06:09] luckynuke : Dein Englisch bekam zuerst meine Aufmerksamkeit :D
[2016-06-14 21:06:25] wurstgelee : probably because it sucks ;)
[2016-06-14 21:06:39] luckynuke : because of je eher desto besser ;)
[2016-06-14 21:06:48] wurstgelee : oh, haha
[2016-06-14 21:06:48] wurstgelee : shit
[2016-06-14 21:06:58] wurstgelee : feinstes denglish
[2016-06-14 21:07:00] aethlios : hidden order???
[2016-06-14 21:07:25] wurstgelee : aethlios: whats with that?
[2016-06-14 21:07:47] BTCDJS : Julle praat nie goeie afrikaans nie. Gaan terug skool toe
[2016-06-14 21:07:53] aethlios : wurstgelee: someone had a hidden order 695 bid.
[2016-06-14 21:07:57] BitMEX_Sam : mein Gott
[2016-06-14 21:08:08] luckynuke : wer sagt das
[2016-06-14 21:08:11] aethlios : wurstgelee: it's an order not visible to others
[2016-06-14 21:08:19] BitMEX_Sam : ich sage es, natuerlich
[2016-06-14 21:08:25] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: haha
[2016-06-14 21:08:29] 1QaZxSw2 : only german i know is heil hitler
[2016-06-14 21:08:36] luckynuke : n1
[2016-06-14 21:08:37] luckynuke : lol
[2016-06-14 21:08:38] BitMEX_Sam : that's good enough to get around with
[2016-06-14 21:08:48] wurstgelee : 1QaZxSw2: thats a common problem amongst the world population
[2016-06-14 21:08:55] wurstgelee : everyone knows that ;)
[2016-06-14 21:09:02] 1QaZxSw2 : achtung juden
[2016-06-14 21:09:07] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: its enough.
[2016-06-14 21:09:09] 1QaZxSw2 : sauerkraut
[2016-06-14 21:09:13] luckynuke : lol :D
[2016-06-14 21:09:18] BitMEX_Sam : lol
[2016-06-14 21:09:34] wurstgelee : 1QaZxSw2: come on, one is missing
[2016-06-14 21:09:49] wurstgelee : you can do it ;)
[2016-06-14 21:09:53] 1QaZxSw2 : thats basically all i know. there was a waitress who onece told me when i tried to flirt with her: bitte nicht bullshitten
[2016-06-14 21:10:35] BTCDJS : 1QaZxSw2: you cheated. That last one is basically english
[2016-06-14 21:10:36] luckynuke : really ? bullshitten ?
[2016-06-14 21:10:40] wurstgelee : i doubt that she said ewxactly that tbh, but the "bitte nnicht" part seems right ;)
[2016-06-14 21:10:51] wurstgelee : *-n *typos
[2016-06-14 21:11:23] BTCDJS : bulkakken maybe
[2016-06-14 21:11:27] 1QaZxSw2 : she was using the english she knew because thats what language europeans speak to each other
[2016-06-14 21:11:50] 1QaZxSw2 : ok, i got one more
[2016-06-14 21:11:55] 1QaZxSw2 : volkswagen
[2016-06-14 21:12:11] BTCDJS : 1QaZxSw2: the wagon for the people eh?
[2016-06-14 21:12:17] wurstgelee : achtung, kindergarten, angst....
[2016-06-14 21:12:19] wurstgelee : all german
[2016-06-14 21:12:21] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-14 21:12:46] j8 : wunderbar
[2016-06-14 21:13:00] wurstgelee : that too
[2016-06-14 21:13:01] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-14 21:13:19] luckynuke : i´m so proud...
[2016-06-14 21:13:59] wurstgelee : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_German_expressions_in_English
[2016-06-14 21:14:11] wurstgelee : there's more than i thought
[2016-06-14 21:15:41] luckynuke : knackwurst im biergarten
[2016-06-14 21:16:04] wurstgelee : haha
[2016-06-14 21:17:36] j8 : hamburger is hilarious
[2016-06-14 21:18:04] luckynuke : hillery, too
[2016-06-14 21:18:16] BitMEX_Sam : Wie sagt man 'premium' auf Deutsch? Gibts nochmal ein bissl
[2016-06-14 21:18:56] luckynuke : ERSTklassig
[2016-06-14 21:20:18] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, but in the context of price premium here on the swap
[2016-06-14 21:20:39] 1QaZxSw2 : hey bitmex_sam, good job on getting dpe back to 0
[2016-06-14 21:20:45] BitMEX_Sam : 1QaZxSw2: :+1:
[2016-06-14 21:20:50] 1QaZxSw2 : not sure you guys did anything or it just happened
[2016-06-14 21:21:07] 1QaZxSw2 : but im more confident to trade now
[2016-06-14 21:21:08] BitMEX_Sam : Turnaround helped a great deal, fueled by the greater funding rate helping keep the premium down
[2016-06-14 21:21:16] 1QaZxSw2 : oh ok
[2016-06-14 21:22:00] 1QaZxSw2 : i know you guys are getting flak for the issues caused by volatitlity but i realize this stuff cannot be easy
[2016-06-14 21:22:40] 1QaZxSw2 : you have to move quick and you did. good work
[2016-06-14 21:22:46] j8 : the new system seems to be helping a lot. dpe is definitely still a risk but it's definitely tracking better
[2016-06-14 21:22:50] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: Premium is fine
[2016-06-14 21:23:26] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: direct translation would be "Aufschlag"
[2016-06-14 21:23:38] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Nice, thanks.
[2016-06-14 21:23:42] wurstgelee : but that sounds weird at least to me
[2016-06-14 21:23:51] wurstgelee : although it is german
[2016-06-14 21:23:52] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-14 21:23:53] luckynuke : sam ich habs letztens nicht gecheckt. Man kann seine btc hier nicht verleihen, aber wenn man shortet, dann bekommt man welche ? O.o
[2016-06-14 21:24:24] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: i am probably just not used to german in crypto context
[2016-06-14 21:24:27] BitMEX_Sam : luckynuke: Es ist nur Mathematik - long vs short
[2016-06-14 21:24:36] wurstgelee : i wouldnt switch the ui to german language anyways
[2016-06-14 21:24:46] luckynuke : ich war schlecht in Mathe, erzähl mal
[2016-06-14 21:24:50] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah no plans for a german translation yet, although the framework is there
[2016-06-14 21:25:02] BitMEX_Sam : luckynuke: I can't explain in german, too rusty after so many years
[2016-06-14 21:25:09] BitMEX_Sam : You're asking, when you short, who are you lending from, correct?
[2016-06-14 21:25:28] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: if u want to do a german translation sometimes... drop me a note ;)
[2016-06-14 21:25:39] wurstgelee : but it seems you could do it alone
[2016-06-14 21:25:44] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: :+1: once we have everything hooked up and Chinese in, it should be very easy to do
[2016-06-14 21:25:56] BitMEX_Sam : Main issue is finding someone with a finance bg to get the terms right
[2016-06-14 21:26:39] wurstgelee : that shouldnt be a problem. personally i dont have such background (except crypto) but i work @ a company which has
[2016-06-14 21:26:42] wurstgelee : =)
[2016-06-14 21:27:04] wurstgelee : ok, maybe i have a little bit of that background then
[2016-06-14 21:27:05] wurstgelee : ;)
[2016-06-14 21:27:35] justinlooking : sam u mean like okc do for their english speaking customers lol
[2016-06-14 21:27:55] BitMEX_Sam : Right, we want to avoid that kind of confusion
[2016-06-14 21:28:53] j8 : blasting record is my favourite
[2016-06-14 21:29:18] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, Jinming explained that to me... the direct translation of a liquidation from Chinese is something like "Position Explosion"
[2016-06-14 21:29:43] BitMEX_Sam : So in that sense "blasting record" is quite accurate
[2016-06-14 21:30:05] j8 : it's very accurate given what goes on on that exchange
[2016-06-14 21:33:17] justinlooking : this is interesting: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2215rank.html
[2016-06-14 21:34:05] justinlooking : and somewhat upsetting
[2016-06-14 21:51:30] Mr Blue : justinlooking: haha what you just looking for more CIA victims ?
[2016-06-14 21:54:55] justinlooking : question all the things
[2016-06-14 21:55:06] Mr Blue : CIA be looking in to this site next if too much traffic came from BitMex lol
[2016-06-14 21:55:33] Mr Blue : justinlooking: haha I do mate, can you give me quick version
[2016-06-14 21:55:48] Mr Blue : Of what you found
[2016-06-14 21:56:34] justinlooking : um... it is table of broad money by country
[2016-06-14 21:57:10] Mr Blue : justinlooking: the money CIA uses in each country?
[2016-06-14 21:57:27] Mr Blue : justinlooking: bet Ukraine was high lol
[2016-06-14 21:57:52] justinlooking : broad money = all the money (sorta)
[2016-06-14 22:02:08] Mr Blue : justinlooking: most the money is just numbers not even secured by a blockchain ?
[2016-06-14 22:08:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 50 @ 0.02701
[2016-06-14 22:09:07] justinlooking : $20 eth looking likely
[2016-06-14 22:12:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 200 @ 0.02744
[2016-06-14 22:14:09] justinlooking : incredible considering there's still uncertainty around supply afaik
[2016-06-14 22:15:00] rapidtrades : there's no uncertainty, supply is infinite
[2016-06-14 22:17:14] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: +1 lol
[2016-06-14 22:17:31] Mr Blue : justinlooking: but hope your investment works out mate
[2016-06-14 22:17:41] justinlooking : u missed opporutnity :(
[2016-06-14 22:18:10] justinlooking : there is still uncertaity... rapid gon rapid
[2016-06-14 22:18:27] justinlooking : completely missed point as usual
[2016-06-14 22:20:52] Mr Blue : justinlooking: true it has increased well, they control the market nicely.. and I admit I missed chance to earn more BTC with it, but long term??
[2016-06-14 22:22:59] rapidtrades : wow yuan spiking
[2016-06-14 22:23:10] rapidtrades : 6.612
[2016-06-14 22:23:17] Mr Blue : Maybe ETH will hit £40 but I never see it hitting £30,000 + like Bitcoin in 4 to 8 years time.
[2016-06-14 22:23:28] rapidtrades : sry 6.6140
[2016-06-14 22:26:55] rapidtrades : finex being a lil bitch again
[2016-06-14 22:35:39] stf28 : why is the profit is witheld and losses are instantly applied?
[2016-06-14 22:35:59] rapidtrades : because life is not fair
[2016-06-14 22:36:09] stf28 : i mean you can't trade your wallet back and forth
[2016-06-14 22:36:19] rapidtrades : yeah u can't
[2016-06-14 22:36:52] stf28 : it sucks
[2016-06-14 22:37:10] rapidtrades : yep
[2016-06-14 22:39:19] stf28 : i feel stolen
[2016-06-14 22:40:52] rapidtrades : u should go on a mystical journey to India to find yourself
[2016-06-14 22:41:32] stf28 : yeah its one nice solution
[2016-06-14 22:41:52] stf28 : just need to tune my bot a little before leaving
[2016-06-14 22:44:02] rapidtrades : now usd/cnh sharply down...weird
[2016-06-14 23:10:00] lockhedge : how is BitMEX calculating "Predicted Funding" (0.2529% in 13h)? is it the time weighted average premium of `480 minutes - minutes until funding` ?
[2016-06-14 23:11:22] BitMEX_Sam : lockhedge: I'll have Wally get back to you, he just added that
[2016-06-14 23:11:46] BitMEX_Sam : I am not sure if it is simply averaged from the last 8 hours or if it only includes that data that would actually be in the period
[2016-06-14 23:12:53] lockhedge : simple 8h average is just 0.1235%, so it seems to be more sophisticated
[2016-06-14 23:16:23] wurstgelee : now it says .2524
[2016-06-14 23:16:29] wurstgelee : oh nvm
[2016-06-14 23:16:32] wurstgelee : i should read
[2016-06-14 23:21:58] BitMEX_Wally : lockhedge: Yes, it is a simple average of the samples so far
[2016-06-14 23:37:27] Mr Blue : Night guys happy trading
[2016-06-14 23:42:22] lockhedge : BitMEX_Wally: so now a simple average of the previous 4h?
[2016-06-14 23:42:32] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-06-14 23:42:36] lockhedge : ok thanks
[2016-06-14 23:43:04] BitMEX_Wally : And then we apply the various rules and limits, like +/ 0.375% etc
[2016-06-14 23:43:30] BitMEX_Wally : So the predicted value should be pretty accurate after 4 to 6 hours
[2016-06-15 00:16:58] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: you are talking about indicativeFundingRate in the instruments table, right?
[2016-06-15 00:17:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 20 @ 684.35
[2016-06-15 00:17:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 11 @ 684.41
[2016-06-15 00:17:30] BitMEX_Wally : Ye
[2016-06-15 00:17:39] micmix : ok, thanks
[2016-06-15 00:17:39] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-06-15 00:25:58] 1QaZxSw2 : well folks, i told ya, dont buy over there
[2016-06-15 00:28:15] rapidtrades : lameass rates
[2016-06-15 00:28:27] rapidtrades : i can't raise a family on these low rates man
[2016-06-15 00:29:40] rapidtrades : #livingrate #bitmex #feelthebern
[2016-06-15 00:52:30] futuretrader : BitMEX_Wally: how do i work out my fee
[2016-06-15 01:05:17] rapidtrades : futuretrader: what fee
[2016-06-15 01:06:24] futuretrader : my position fee when i close
[2016-06-15 01:07:05] rentchev : did you place a market order or a post only order
[2016-06-15 01:07:46] futuretrader : rentchev: market order
[2016-06-15 01:08:04] rapidtrades : its 0.075%
[2016-06-15 01:08:32] futuretrader : ok ty does it matter how long the order been open is it fixed 0.075% of the order value
[2016-06-15 01:08:36] rentchev : or 0.0675% if you used a referral link when you signed up
[2016-06-15 01:08:49] rentchev : it's fixed
[2016-06-15 01:09:35] futuretrader : so on a 8.63btcbtc position my fe would be 0.006btc
[2016-06-15 01:09:59] rentchev : looks right
[2016-06-15 01:10:17] futuretrader : whats this roe, its showing 79%
[2016-06-15 01:10:40] rentchev : 79% is calculated based on the money you needed for the trade
[2016-06-15 01:11:02] rentchev : total value is 8.63 XBT, but you only put something like 0.3 BTC for that
[2016-06-15 01:11:37] rentchev : so if you did a profit of 0.15 BTC and you only used 0.3 BTC
[2016-06-15 01:11:42] rentchev : that would be 50% ROE
[2016-06-15 01:12:11] rentchev : you invested 0.3 BTC to make 0.15 BTC
[2016-06-15 01:12:18] rentchev : return on investment is 50%
[2016-06-15 01:13:12] rentchev : rapidtrades: what are you trading these days?
[2016-06-15 01:16:25] rapidtrades : pboc rate at 6.60, from 6.58
[2016-06-15 01:16:32] rapidtrades : moon confirmed
[2016-06-15 01:17:25] rapidtrades : they are weakening the yuan toward the offshore rate instead of clamping down on it like last time
[2016-06-15 01:40:08] futuretrader : thanks for the answer just trying to get used to this platform
[2016-06-15 01:52:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1200 @ 681.45
[2016-06-15 02:04:49] rentchev : rapidtrades: doesn't seem to help BTC
[2016-06-15 02:05:04] rentchev : I guess we are still in a correction mode
[2016-06-15 03:15:27] billyboy402 : where can you read about how bitmex cal the funding cost and proim
[2016-06-15 03:19:52] arbitrage001 : billyboy402: read the contract description
[2016-06-15 03:20:54] billyboy402 : but how does it calurlate the rate https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI8H
[2016-06-15 03:24:38] billyboy402 : so if there a 1% prieum on btcusd . so shorter will get 1% + 0.05 funding cost % = 1.05% interest
[2016-06-15 03:28:47] arbitrage001 : billyboy402: premium and discount is the price difference between here and bitfinex
[2016-06-15 03:29:25] arbitrage001 : if the price here is consistently above bitfinex, it will be used as a bench mark as the next funding rate
[2016-06-15 03:29:53] arbitrage001 : if the price is lower, or funding rate is negative, longwill get paid
[2016-06-15 03:56:24] rentchev : wow
[2016-06-15 03:56:32] rentchev : so boring after last week
[2016-06-15 03:56:43] rentchev : I mean after the last few days
[2016-06-15 03:56:53] rentchev : now it's like watching paint dry
[2016-06-15 04:10:24] billyboy402 : arbitrage001: yea . but do you pay the full differetn so if there 1 % different will htere be 1% added to the fee
[2016-06-15 04:14:40] arbitrage001 : billyboy402: if the funding fee is 1%, then yes, you will pay 1%
[2016-06-15 04:41:51] elmorte : My affiliate discount expired a few days ago....
[2016-06-15 04:42:18] elmorte : I don't know whether to cry or be happy since most of my fees were maker fees anyway....
[2016-06-15 04:42:52] elmorte : But it means I've been here 6 months and ain't gone broke yet so that's a reason to celebrate :)
[2016-06-15 04:45:18] jung1 : gratz
[2016-06-15 04:45:39] elmorte : jung1: :p
[2016-06-15 04:45:41] arbitrage001 : elmorte: fee is pretty reasonable here
[2016-06-15 04:46:12] elmorte : yeah, it is @arbitrage001....just counterintuitive that your maker bonus gets reduced with affiliate discount
[2016-06-15 04:49:48] arbitrage001 : elmorte: what bank you use to wire money to btc exchange?
[2016-06-15 04:50:20] elmorte : CIMB for BitX, BoC for Chinese Exch
[2016-06-15 04:50:44] arbitrage001 : Local boc?
[2016-06-15 04:50:49] arbitrage001 : what fee they charge?
[2016-06-15 04:50:55] elmorte : I have HSBC in HK as well if need be
[2016-06-15 04:51:03] elmorte : No, China BOC :)
[2016-06-15 04:51:13] elmorte : I'm in import/export
[2016-06-15 04:51:24] arbitrage001 : but how you move money around using china boc
[2016-06-15 04:51:24] jung1 : what you trade?
[2016-06-15 04:51:53] elmorte : arbitrage001: HK to China is pretty easy but not something I would discuss here
[2016-06-15 04:52:08] arbitrage001 : elmorte: mind sharing using email?
[2016-06-15 04:52:12] elmorte : arbitrage001: Within China, we use a lot of Yuan to pay suppliers to that's no issue
[2016-06-15 04:52:30] elmorte : arbitrage001: not at all, what's your email?
[2016-06-15 04:52:39] arbitrage001 : arbitrage0001@gmail.com
[2016-06-15 04:52:43] jung1 : go on irc
[2016-06-15 04:52:45] arbitrage001 : 3 zeros
[2016-06-15 04:52:50] elmorte : cool
[2016-06-15 04:52:56] elmorte : jung1: good idea
[2016-06-15 04:52:57] arbitrage001 : the 2 zeroes one is taken by someone else
[2016-06-15 04:53:45] jung1 : what you trade in china?
[2016-06-15 04:54:05] jung1 : http://exoticasianwives.com/ ?
[2016-06-15 04:54:19] elmorte : jung1: we source for several corporate clients from SE Europe
[2016-06-15 04:54:25] elmorte : All in different industries
[2016-06-15 04:54:59] jung1 : any chance to pay them in bitcoins?
[2016-06-15 04:55:22] jung1 : is there any provider that accept bitcoin and allow to withrawal in yuan?
[2016-06-15 04:55:28] elmorte : brb, Skype
[2016-06-15 05:01:17] elmorte : jung1: actually, I wouldn't know since the rate would prob be worse than selling on exchange
[2016-06-15 05:01:53] elmorte : That would be adv. only if you couldn't withdraw yuan from exchange
[2016-06-15 05:02:35] arbitrage001 : elmorte: there is a huge spread between china exchanges and the rest of the world
[2016-06-15 05:03:07] arbitrage001 : finding a way to move yuan out can make quick money
[2016-06-15 05:03:32] arbitrage001 : assuming not ticking government off that is
[2016-06-15 05:07:38] elmorte : arbitrage001: yup
[2016-06-15 05:08:27] elmorte : But instead of moving it out, I use it to pay the suppliers and keep the USD that I would otherwise use outside of China
[2016-06-15 05:11:36] elmorte : That's another reason why quite often I have a bit of a balance in BTC and fiat on most exchanges
[2016-06-15 05:14:36] elmorte : For eg. for finex, the price in USD was = price in MYR at BitX. So quickly buying at BitX, sending to finex and shorting there I ended up loading the USD balance there using my ringgit without any fees or loss in forex rate. Otherwise, I'd have to TT to Taiwan
[2016-06-15 05:28:02] elmorte : arbitrage001: you OK with IRC? I'm in the bitmex chat
[2016-06-15 05:29:07] arbitrage001 : elmorte: i am about to head out
[2016-06-15 05:29:23] arbitrage001 : chat later tonight if you are free
[2016-06-15 05:32:22] elmorte : sure
[2016-06-15 05:40:47] dharmabum : any admins here?
[2016-06-15 05:41:06] dharmabum : BitMEX_Wally: are you here?
[2016-06-15 05:46:44] jung1 : what you need to know
[2016-06-15 05:47:00] jung1 : maybe your answer is in trollbox knowledgebase
[2016-06-15 05:49:43] jung1 : arbitrage001: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-14/dear-janet-no-surprises-china-devalues-yuan-weakest-jan-2011
[2016-06-15 05:50:04] BitMEX_Jinming : dharmabum: Hi, what can I help?
[2016-06-15 05:52:23] dharmabum : BitMEX_Jinming: Hit cancel on a stop but the UI didn't respond. Switched to wallet, and back to trade, but still no response. Refreshed page, and stop had been hit.
[2016-06-15 05:52:38] dharmabum : BitMEX_Jinming: everything else worked, except the cancel button on the stop.
[2016-06-15 05:55:31] BitMEX_Jinming : dharmabum: I will have Sam or Wally to check the cancel
[2016-06-15 05:55:50] BitMEX_Jinming : and let you know later
[2016-06-15 05:57:23] dharmabum : OK. Means I am out of a small position.
[2016-06-15 05:57:30] dharmabum : small, but significant :-)
[2016-06-15 05:58:07] dharmabum : BitMEX_Jinming: Thank you.
[2016-06-15 06:25:00] BitMEX_Jinming : dharmabum: I checked the log, the first cancel request you submitted was at `2016-06-15T05:34:08.939`, however the stop order was filled already at `2016.06.15T05:34:08.826`
[2016-06-15 06:38:36] elmorte : That's some Schumacher stuff
[2016-06-15 06:43:13] rentchev : Did sleger get rekt?
[2016-06-15 06:43:59] micmix : sleger is unrektable, he left bc of sudden changes to the swap
[2016-06-15 06:44:38] rentchev : Where did he go?
[2016-06-15 06:45:44] micmix : he trades on many exchanges
[2016-06-15 06:46:53] rentchev : Tell me one that has derivatives
[2016-06-15 06:47:05] rentchev : ☺
[2016-06-15 06:48:17] micmix : okc futures enough for many ppl
[2016-06-15 06:49:06] rentchev : Okc the uusd exchange or chinese okc?
[2016-06-15 06:49:53] micmix : okc usd has futures
[2016-06-15 06:50:04] rentchev : Thanks
[2016-06-15 06:50:19] micmix : there is also bitvc, 796, cryptofacilities etc.
[2016-06-15 06:51:28] ethex : so..
[2016-06-15 06:52:25] ethexio : go on
[2016-06-15 06:53:18] ethexio : Wha's up with charts? everything N/A?
[2016-06-15 06:53:45] rentchev : Working for me
[2016-06-15 06:54:40] ethexio : http://i.imgur.com/sLe3fbB.png
[2016-06-15 06:56:38] ethexio : getting 404 for https://www.bitmex.com/api/udf/symbols?symbol=XBT24H
[2016-06-15 06:58:39] lockhedge : https://www.bitmex.com/api/udf/symbols?symbol=XBTUSD
[2016-06-15 06:59:58] ethexio : lockhedge: that works fine. But that's not what Web UI trying to load.
[2016-06-15 06:59:59] Mr Blue : Morning traders
[2016-06-15 07:00:33] rentchev : Sep futures on okc $740, here they are 860
[2016-06-15 07:00:55] rentchev : Why is that?
[2016-06-15 07:01:19] micmix : rentchev: inverse on okc vs quanto here
[2016-06-15 07:01:29] Mr Blue : We're more bullish lol
[2016-06-15 07:02:10] rentchev : Inverse?
[2016-06-15 07:04:37] micmix : rentchev: inverse is like XBTUSD here, contract has fixed USD value, $1 here and $100 on okc
[2016-06-15 07:11:16] rapidtrades : what the hell is going on fellas
[2016-06-15 07:11:52] BTCDJS : ? give me that higher low ?
[2016-06-15 07:12:03] rentchev : Thanks micmix
[2016-06-15 07:12:27] rentchev : Jun has big premium
[2016-06-15 07:13:05] rentchev : If brexit vote is no we could see a quick drop
[2016-06-15 07:13:07] ethexio : rapidtrades: le banga
[2016-06-15 07:13:43] BTCDJS : https://youtu.be/k9olaIio3l8
[2016-06-15 07:13:51] lockhedge : micmix: how is your bot doing after sleger left? mine is not missing him...
[2016-06-15 07:13:56] BTCDJS : its a higher low
[2016-06-15 07:14:01] Mr Blue : Guys do we get order cancellation fee here?
[2016-06-15 07:14:21] rapidtrades : no
[2016-06-15 07:14:27] micmix : lockhedge: sleger didn't affect me at all it seems
[2016-06-15 07:14:56] Mr Blue : Cool, some f gone over my 680 buy by a cent lol
[2016-06-15 07:15:29] Mr Blue : Mother f it's a bot
[2016-06-15 07:15:51] BTCDJS : sent from the future to kill bears
[2016-06-15 07:16:42] Mr Blue : Lol, it's trying to kill my profits, needing to lower my entry point, bots not helping me avoid the taker fee lol
[2016-06-15 07:16:50] BTCDJS : Bring me a higher low oh ho
[2016-06-15 07:16:53] jung1 : https://tradeblock.com/markets/stmp/xbt-usd/30m/
[2016-06-15 07:20:50] lockhedge : micmix: it's probably just a coincidence, but wasn't he also market making here?
[2016-06-15 07:22:22] jung1 : http://www.nasdaq.com/de/symbol/gbtc/stock-chart?intraday=off&timeframe=3m&splits=off&earnings=off&movingaverage=None&lowerstudy=macd&comparison=off&index=&drilldown=off bitcon investmet trust is now for 1120$
[2016-06-15 07:28:49] BTCDJS : anyone read the crypto digest? How exactly will brexit fuel the btc moon?
[2016-06-15 07:32:34] micmix : lockhedge: he said 'I am doing something else' even though his bot looked like MM
[2016-06-15 07:36:07] rapidtrades : odds of brexit now gettiing close to 40%
[2016-06-15 07:36:12] lockhedge : micmix: yeah, some sort of liquidity provision which he didn't call market making.
[2016-06-15 07:36:21] Mr Blue : Guys did they change affiliate time table ? Because says 3 of my Facebook friends have joined, erm I didn't invite poor people lol
[2016-06-15 07:37:33] lockhedge : rapidtrades: it's 37.03% now at betfair, used to be >45%
[2016-06-15 07:37:57] rapidtrades : when
[2016-06-15 07:38:07] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: crypto digest says 47% in favour of leave
[2016-06-15 07:38:54] rapidtrades : nope it was 39% last night and jew up says its 37%
[2016-06-15 07:39:20] Mr Blue : Or do you only earn if they're trading 100s of BTC daily? I mean is it only worth calculating for the Adkins if larger amount? I only did the one post, I'll do more if it's working lol
[2016-06-15 07:39:37] Mr Blue : Admins*
[2016-06-15 07:39:42] rapidtrades : it's high enough to cause major volatility in fx markets, not matter the result
[2016-06-15 07:39:57] rapidtrades : f brokers tho man...cutting leverage
[2016-06-15 07:40:08] lockhedge : "Last price matched: 2.7" 1/2.7 = 37.03% https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911 click on the chart button and then check "inverse axis"
[2016-06-15 07:40:11] rapidtrades : some won't even allow GBP trades to open for that entire week
[2016-06-15 07:40:50] jung1 : yesterday I watched Big Short movie once again
[2016-06-15 07:40:55] jung1 : really like it
[2016-06-15 07:40:57] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-06-15 07:41:43] jung1 : about you
[2016-06-15 07:41:53] rapidtrades : jew
[2016-06-15 07:42:05] jung1 : shalom
[2016-06-15 07:42:11] BTCDJS : ah. Will brevet have an effect on bitcoin tho? I don't see how.
[2016-06-15 07:42:18] BTCDJS : BREXIT
[2016-06-15 07:42:31] rapidtrades : nope, only jerk reaction by morans
[2016-06-15 07:42:42] asdfman : union collapse non-effect?
[2016-06-15 07:42:44] jung1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
[2016-06-15 07:43:11] asdfman : the union is pure economic
[2016-06-15 07:43:21] asdfman : isolation
[2016-06-15 07:43:44] rapidtrades : asdfman: are u having a seizure brok?
[2016-06-15 07:43:52] rapidtrades : brok lol bro
[2016-06-15 07:44:02] asdfman : why?
[2016-06-15 07:44:10] jung1 : asdfman: not all of eu countries have euro as a currency
[2016-06-15 07:44:16] rapidtrades : cos ur just sputtering single words
[2016-06-15 07:44:19] BTCDJS : cos you foaming at the mouth lol
[2016-06-15 07:44:48] BTCDJS : He's giving you footnotes
[2016-06-15 07:44:52] asdfman : does not change the fact
[2016-06-15 07:45:00] rapidtrades : if u want to trade brexit, u trade GBP or EUR
[2016-06-15 07:45:21] asdfman : the EU is a corporation
[2016-06-15 07:45:22] rapidtrades : the bitcoin rally could be over by than anyway
[2016-06-15 07:46:44] jung1 : asdfman: true. This is why they did not allow grexit
[2016-06-15 07:46:51] jung1 : couse everything will collapse
[2016-06-15 07:46:55] asdfman : ^^
[2016-06-15 07:46:56] jung1 : same with spain
[2016-06-15 07:47:01] asdfman : yeh
[2016-06-15 07:47:14] jung1 : but now basicly germany own them
[2016-06-15 07:47:31] asdfman : yeah they got screwed and they know it.
[2016-06-15 07:47:43] rapidtrades : wtf is this chat...i can't even
[2016-06-15 07:47:58] jung1 : countries like england, swiss dont give a fuck and if they want they will leave ue
[2016-06-15 07:48:25] jung1 : czech also want to leave eu
[2016-06-15 07:48:51] jung1 : lithuana is screwed after they accept eu as a currency
[2016-06-15 07:49:15] asdfman : and this thing with Artemios Sorras is getting out there too
[2016-06-15 07:49:35] jung1 : but the funniest thing is that eu think about add turkey do ue union
[2016-06-15 07:49:38] jung1 : yeah
[2016-06-15 07:49:40] BTCDJS : I never liked the EU anyway. I think it should fail
[2016-06-15 07:49:40] sq : why does czech want to leave EU?
[2016-06-15 07:50:03] asdfman : maybe they dont like communism
[2016-06-15 07:50:06] sq : dont they benefit from it? i can understnad why UK want to leave
[2016-06-15 07:50:10] asdfman : who ould have thunk
[2016-06-15 07:50:16] asdfman : would*
[2016-06-15 07:50:17] jung1 : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/12170994/Czechs-will-follow-Britain-out-of-EU.html
[2016-06-15 07:50:26] jung1 : Three-fifths of Czechs said they were unhappy with EU membership and 62 percent said they would vote against it in a referendum, according to an October 2015 poll by the STEM agency.
[2016-06-15 07:50:52] sq : oh the breaking of EU
[2016-06-15 07:51:23] lockhedge : jung1: for the EU it's not a big problem when non-Eurozone members leave, they just join EFTA like Switzerland or Norway. then they will adopt all single market rules without having a vote on them.
[2016-06-15 07:51:41] jung1 : common currency is really bad for foreign trade
[2016-06-15 07:51:47] jung1 : lockhedge: true that
[2016-06-15 07:52:34] jung1 : but if turkey will join eu all turkish citizens could travel across europe with no check in on borders
[2016-06-15 07:52:47] jung1 : now it getting out of control
[2016-06-15 07:52:57] jung1 : with immigrants
[2016-06-15 07:53:07] rapidtrades : oh no all those MUSLIMS in europe
[2016-06-15 07:54:03] jung1 : dude
[2016-06-15 07:54:17] jung1 : sweden in '16 will spend more money on social than on army
[2016-06-15 07:54:31] jung1 : socialism never work
[2016-06-15 07:54:46] jung1 : and people still try this
[2016-06-15 07:54:55] rapidtrades : has nothing to do with what i said