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[2016-06-14 03:45:05] arbitrage001 : billz: system is not wack, quality of traders here is
[2016-06-14 03:45:27] elmorte : what arb said^
[2016-06-14 03:45:42] rentchev : it's fine guys
[2016-06-14 03:45:52] arbitrage001 : rentchev: yes
[2016-06-14 03:45:52] rentchev : in the big picture it's about correct trading
[2016-06-14 03:46:04] arbitrage001 : better having a dumb counter party
[2016-06-14 03:46:06] rentchev : not about fees or funding rates
[2016-06-14 03:46:13] rentchev : no shit
[2016-06-14 03:46:22] elmorte : rentchev: this ain't spot market :p
[2016-06-14 03:46:36] elmorte : all about the fees & funding atm
[2016-06-14 03:47:19] elmorte : If the price falls another 2-3 $, I might close my current short and make a bit more than funding
[2016-06-14 03:47:26] arbitrage001 : price will jump back up after funding
[2016-06-14 03:47:36] arbitrage001 : wiping out all benefit gain by funding
[2016-06-14 03:47:46] arbitrage001 : my view, of course
[2016-06-14 03:47:54] elmorte : Until the next funding :)
[2016-06-14 03:48:00] j8 : it should theoretically. we'll see if traders have figured that out yet
[2016-06-14 03:48:02] limsta08 : settlment time changed?
[2016-06-14 03:48:20] elmorte : limsta08: funding is at 8hr intervals
[2016-06-14 03:48:25] j8 : also if the view is that rates are going down, it won't buy up all the way
[2016-06-14 03:48:30] elmorte : UTC noon being one of them
[2016-06-14 03:49:02] elmorte : j8: do we know the next rate?
[2016-06-14 03:49:29] arbitrage001 : was close to 0.8 2 hours ago
[2016-06-14 03:50:13] j8 : the change in the rate is capped at 0.35% and it will hit that cap downward
[2016-06-14 03:50:50] j8 : er 0.325% i mean
[2016-06-14 03:50:57] elmorte : Yup...only around 0.57% for the premium
[2016-06-14 03:51:03] elmorte : atm
[2016-06-14 03:51:13] rapidtrades : so it will around 0.8%?
[2016-06-14 03:51:22] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: should be
[2016-06-14 03:51:27] elmorte : 0.49% base....
[2016-06-14 03:51:29] rapidtrades : sweet
[2016-06-14 03:51:29] j8 : yeah or more likely exactly 0.8%
[2016-06-14 03:52:07] elmorte : Do we add up the base and premium?
[2016-06-14 03:52:22] elmorte : coz it adss up to more than 1
[2016-06-14 03:52:53] j8 : the premium index is relative to the mark price https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBTUSDPI
[2016-06-14 03:52:56] rapidtrades : even better
[2016-06-14 03:53:08] billz : what is going on with ETH here? trading way above market price
[2016-06-14 03:53:12] dharmabum : https://www.bitmex.com/app/fundingHistory
[2016-06-14 03:54:11] elmorte : dharmabum: that's history...
[2016-06-14 03:54:39] arbitrage001 : elmorte: and upcoming one
[2016-06-14 03:55:04] elmorte : arbitrage001: where?
[2016-06-14 03:55:27] arbitrage001 : nm, may be read it wrong
[2016-06-14 03:55:30] dharmabum : elmorte: sure, but it shows the funding interval for the various symbols/pairs
[2016-06-14 03:55:38] rapidtrades : so we'll again see 1.1%
[2016-06-14 03:55:45] BitMEX_Wally : Wrong
[2016-06-14 03:55:49] elmorte : No...j8 did it right
[2016-06-14 03:55:56] BitMEX_Wally : We'll see 0.81%
[2016-06-14 03:56:02] BitMEX_Wally : As the next funding rate
[2016-06-14 03:56:05] elmorte : Cheers @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-06-14 03:56:24] BitMEX_Wally : I am going to add an 'Indicative Funding Rate' that shows up after 4 hours
[2016-06-14 03:56:35] elmorte : Nice one
[2016-06-14 03:56:40] rapidtrades : 0.7787%
[2016-06-14 03:56:47] rapidtrades : whats this then feg
[2016-06-14 03:56:50] elmorte : No, that's the previous one
[2016-06-14 03:56:50] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: that's good
[2016-06-14 03:57:04] elmorte : rapidtrades: that was 16-8hrs ago
[2016-06-14 03:57:10] elmorte : I remember the digits
[2016-06-14 03:57:12] BitMEX_Wally : Funding: 1.1250% in 3 minutes
[2016-06-14 03:57:27] BitMEX_Wally : Then in 8 hours will be 0.81%
[2016-06-14 03:57:50] arbitrage001 : anyone want to avoid funding fee by selling 5% below, let me know
[2016-06-14 03:58:46] billz : 687 is pretty much exactly 1.1% below
[2016-06-14 03:58:53] arbitrage001 : billz: yes
[2016-06-14 03:59:03] arbitrage001 : and price will jump back up right after
[2016-06-14 03:59:48] arbitrage001 : here we go
[2016-06-14 04:00:34] mbaril : ahahahahha
[2016-06-14 04:00:50] elmorte : :)
[2016-06-14 04:00:51] arbitrage001 : rediculus, isnt it?
[2016-06-14 04:00:58] BitMEX_Wally : Free money
[2016-06-14 04:00:58] Blargwaffle : Red... iculus?
[2016-06-14 04:01:16] BitMEX_Wally : Place some bids, get filled, pay funding, then sell
[2016-06-14 04:01:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.02619 :punch: :whale:
[2016-06-14 04:02:05] arbitrage001 : we are back to premium mode
[2016-06-14 04:02:26] BitMEX_Wally : The premium is currently less than 0.80% though
[2016-06-14 04:02:59] sizzurp : #getbtcto750
[2016-06-14 04:03:10] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: can u guys make a page that will display the coming funding rate? like u have for the premium
[2016-06-14 04:03:17] rapidtrades : so we don't have to do thi evry 8hrs
[2016-06-14 04:03:19] 1QaZxSw2 : oh crap i forgot to sell and rebuy
[2016-06-14 04:03:27] j8 : he just said he was going to add that
[2016-06-14 04:03:34] rapidtrades : who
[2016-06-14 04:03:37] j8 : wally
[2016-06-14 04:03:39] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-14 04:04:15] rapidtrades : guess 0.8% aint bad :(
[2016-06-14 04:04:23] rapidtrades : QQ
[2016-06-14 04:04:34] rapidtrades : ^^^ rich man tears
[2016-06-14 04:04:50] j8 : just sell more to get the same return
[2016-06-14 04:05:00] micmix : well I guess I'll just stop MMing for now, get free funding money instead
[2016-06-14 04:05:08] rapidtrades : i don't play that game fella @j8
[2016-06-14 04:05:46] rapidtrades : micmix: u can only do asks :)
[2016-06-14 04:05:48] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: "11:56 - BitMEX_Wally: I am going to add an 'Indicative Funding Rate' that shows up after 4 hours"
[2016-06-14 04:06:02] rapidtrades : k
[2016-06-14 04:06:22] messiaen8844 : that is unfair JBY market maker
[2016-06-14 04:07:17] messiaen8844 : removing all liquidity so I need to buy way way way above my liq price
[2016-06-14 04:07:26] 3aum : is there an easier way to use your funding to short, other than having to remove the margin, then put in a sell order
[2016-06-14 04:08:09] rapidtrades : cross?
[2016-06-14 04:08:11] messiaen8844 : why all this fuckery?
[2016-06-14 04:08:38] BitMEX_Arthur : messiaen8844: We are working with our main mm and quoine, still some kinks to be worked out, but over the next few days the spreads will get much tighter
[2016-06-14 04:08:39] BitMEX_Arthur : and size larger
[2016-06-14 04:09:11] 1QaZxSw2 : tighter and larger, eh? sounds like my favorite porno
[2016-06-14 04:09:34] messiaen8844 : I get spread, I don't get all orders disapearing, and stop market buying 10% above mark price
[2016-06-14 04:09:39] BitMEX_Wally : I like my deep orders getting filled
[2016-06-14 04:10:21] messiaen8844 : but yeah, looking forward to that liquidity
[2016-06-14 04:11:04] messiaen8844 : it will be great to have 100x and 50x... user count seems to be increasing aswell
[2016-06-14 04:12:15] Blargwaffle : A swell... amount?
[2016-06-14 04:16:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 5 @ 0.02640
[2016-06-14 04:20:24] rapidtrades : there were bids at 693 just now right?
[2016-06-14 04:20:44] rapidtrades : im not going mad?
[2016-06-14 04:21:46] j8 : sure there are
[2016-06-14 04:22:16] rapidtrades : k fella
[2016-06-14 04:27:20] rapidtrades : dam lot of uk polls coming in for brexit this week
[2016-06-14 04:31:37] rapidtrades : https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911
[2016-06-14 04:54:49] tscha : BitMEX_Arthur: when you say "our main mm" you mean Wally booting up his scripts on a separate aws instance?
[2016-06-14 04:55:47] BitMEX_Arthur : tscha: they are having connection issues with quoine, and i'm told they are working them out
[2016-06-14 05:01:24] 1QaZxSw2 : i would think wally's scripts would do a lot better. this looks like real mm stupidity
[2016-06-14 05:05:12] 1QaZxSw2 : i dont mean stupidity, i mean they have limitatio
[2016-06-14 05:07:08] huangyong : BitMEX_Arthur: @BitMEX_Wally 管理员，能把利率funding调整的那个通知，翻译一下吗，翻译成中文，看不太懂，不知道怎么玩呢
[2016-06-14 05:07:29] 1QaZxSw2 : translation?
[2016-06-14 05:10:58] BitMEX_Arthur : huangyong: 可以
[2016-06-14 05:12:14] huangyong : BitMEX_Arthur: 邮件给我还是，在这群里发一下
[2016-06-14 05:13:01] BitMEX_Arthur : huangyong: 好谢谢
[2016-06-14 05:24:29] BitMEX_Jinming : huangyong: 我们会尽快翻译，然后发邮件给你
[2016-06-14 05:54:54] dharmabum : 1QaZxSw2: They are talking about Obama's wife's legs.
[2016-06-14 05:55:35] dharmabum : 1QaZxSw2: So long and slender for an older woman…
[2016-06-14 06:01:40] 1QaZxSw2 : its beginning to pop
[2016-06-14 06:01:49] billz : ETH looking like a nice short right now
[2016-06-14 06:06:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 44300 @ 695.72 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-14 06:06:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 30000 @ 695.08 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-06-14 06:26:25] zanza : good morning gents, did I miss any drama while I was away?
[2016-06-14 06:26:41] tscha : zanza: morning. don't think so.
[2016-06-14 06:26:53] zanza : is sleger back ?
[2016-06-14 06:27:33] podizzle3k : dunno but it looks like eth bot said peace out
[2016-06-14 06:31:06] rentchev : Swap again at big discount
[2016-06-14 06:31:22] rentchev : Lots of time until next funding
[2016-06-14 06:31:36] 1QaZxSw2 : its rektistan over here
[2016-06-14 06:41:57] rentchev : Saw the two mega rekt
[2016-06-14 06:45:52] mrp1nk : why mark price is 693.91?
[2016-06-14 06:48:27] rentchev : Funding aperantly afects it
[2016-06-14 06:49:16] rentchev : I don't care that much about mark price anymore
[2016-06-14 06:49:43] rentchev : Since I can put stops on the trade price now
[2016-06-14 06:51:02] mrp1nk : how
[2016-06-14 06:52:10] rentchev : Uncheck mark price trigget
[2016-06-14 06:53:38] mrp1nk : ah, i see
[2016-06-14 07:03:50] rapidtrades : next rate after this should be small right
[2016-06-14 07:04:42] elmorte : Yeah, probably down by the max allowed cap
[2016-06-14 07:06:37] elmorte : 0.4799 minimum...still over 1%/day
[2016-06-14 07:06:37] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, like to be 0.4299%
[2016-06-14 07:06:38] Bacon futures trader : huobi 5 min is coiling since yesterday
[2016-06-14 07:06:45] Bacon futures trader : lol, huob
[2016-06-14 07:07:01] elmorte : The cap is not .325%? @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-06-14 07:07:38] BitMEX_Wally : It can only go up or down by 0.375%
[2016-06-14 07:07:59] elmorte : My bad, was going off of chat logs where someone said it was .325%
[2016-06-14 07:13:07] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: are orders made on mobile listed as `Submitted via API.` ?
[2016-06-14 07:16:06] BitMEX_Wally : Should be "Submitted via Frontend"
[2016-06-14 07:16:10] rentchev : BitMEX_Wally if my stop trigger my limit order is canceled, what if my limit is filled?
[2016-06-14 07:16:22] rentchev : Stop will stay?
[2016-06-14 07:16:29] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: Yes
[2016-06-14 07:16:37] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: We have support for OneCancelsTheOther orders in the API
[2016-06-14 07:16:48] BitMEX_Wally : We will bring this to the frontend soon
[2016-06-14 07:17:20] rentchev : I know, have not started with the api yet
[2016-06-14 07:17:37] rentchev : Need some free time
[2016-06-14 07:20:01] rentchev : BitMEX_Wally can I change my nick to Rado?
[2016-06-14 07:23:32] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: Is the 0.375% cap documented anywhere?
[2016-06-14 07:28:18] Samirum : BitMEX_Wally: what price is used for liquidation? Mark price Right?
[2016-06-14 07:28:28] rapidtrades : ya
[2016-06-14 07:28:44] Samirum : OK
[2016-06-14 07:29:36] Samirum : Eth mark price is good for short
[2016-06-14 07:35:24] Mr Blue : red candals all round today guys, more selling is happening than buying, but the line seeems to be getting held so far.
[2016-06-14 07:36:05] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: told you that yesterday mate.
[2016-06-14 07:38:10] rentchev : Yes you did
[2016-06-14 07:38:22] zanza : anyone trade fiat/bitcoin with BTC-e?
[2016-06-14 07:38:40] rapidtrades : what does that mean
[2016-06-14 07:38:46] rentchev : No crazy people here zanza
[2016-06-14 07:38:59] zanza : where do u buy bitcoin rapidtrades?
[2016-06-14 07:39:13] rapidtrades : buy as in what
[2016-06-14 07:39:18] rentchev : Bitfinex
[2016-06-14 07:39:24] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: erm I don't remember mate, but good call if you shorted at 725
[2016-06-14 07:39:41] rapidtrades : u mean with cash or what
[2016-06-14 07:39:47] zanza : BTC-E has a Metatrader 4 interface wonder if anyone used that
[2016-06-14 07:39:55] rapidtrades : yeah im using it
[2016-06-14 07:40:08] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: she means the guy you meet at McDonalds
[2016-06-14 07:40:15] zanza : do you use leverage ?
[2016-06-14 07:40:26] rapidtrades : yeah of course...its btc-e
[2016-06-14 07:40:26] zanza : i read they will do up to 3x lev
[2016-06-14 07:40:37] rapidtrades : yeah its 3/1
[2016-06-14 07:41:03] zanza : is the deposit currency btc or usd/eur?
[2016-06-14 07:41:15] rapidtrades : could be anything of those
[2016-06-14 07:41:19] zanza : and do they have funding rates overnight
[2016-06-14 07:41:24] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-06-14 07:41:39] zanza : so its a good place to hedge then
[2016-06-14 07:42:06] rapidtrades : i only keep a small part of my stash on btce
[2016-06-14 07:42:16] rapidtrades : cos its not the safest place in the world :)
[2016-06-14 07:42:45] zanza : people always say they are shady but, they been around for like 3-4 years?
[2016-06-14 07:42:54] zanza : thats a long time in bitcoin space
[2016-06-14 07:43:20] rapidtrades : i mean that's ur call but i wouldn't hedge all my stash with btc-e
[2016-06-14 07:43:35] rapidtrades : part of it sure
[2016-06-14 07:43:59] zanza : lol
[2016-06-14 07:44:04] Mr Blue : rapidtrades: so far it's been safer than most, one of if not the oldest exchanges, and never robbed anybody, I've been robbed by numerous exchanges for around 20 BTC
[2016-06-14 07:44:16] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: didn't mean to sound like a smart arse. Im no authority on the movements of bitcoin.
[2016-06-14 07:45:40] rapidtrades : also btce is now $14 discount so if u want to short, its not the best place @zanza
[2016-06-14 07:45:42] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: If you would like to change your username just email support@bitmex.com
[2016-06-14 07:45:59] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: no problem mate, I remember you saying you didn't think it was going 800 yesterday for sure, we're cool.
[2016-06-14 07:46:29] mjmj83 : Can we expect a negative Funding after 4 hours for XBT?
[2016-06-14 07:46:59] BitMEX_Wally : It is possible
[2016-06-14 07:47:08] BitMEX_Wally : After 12 hours
[2016-06-14 07:47:33] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: how is it possible? isn't there a bulitin break?
[2016-06-14 07:48:11] rapidtrades : its gonna take 3 cycles to move in minus?
[2016-06-14 07:49:06] rapidtrades : rate can only change by 0.37%?
[2016-06-14 07:49:11] rapidtrades : or whatever it was
[2016-06-14 07:50:02] lockhedge : yes max 0.375% change every 8h
[2016-06-14 07:50:29] rapidtrades : yeah wally wtf
[2016-06-14 07:51:00] BTCDJS : Yeah WTF wally?
[2016-06-14 07:51:13] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: get in here
[2016-06-14 07:51:46] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: haha ye rates also raped me of some profit for sure
[2016-06-14 07:51:59] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: troll wally
[2016-06-14 07:52:48] Mr Blue : I think rates should be coming down today, as it looks like we'll be staying in the 680 to 700 range for few days at least.
[2016-06-14 07:53:27] BTCDJS : fail
[2016-06-14 07:53:28] Mr Blue : haha okay let me think of a trolling
[2016-06-14 07:54:27] Mr Blue : I sold yesterday for $20 profit on each BTC, I only got 0.15 profit, when should of got 0.25 WALLY raped me!!!!! lol
[2016-06-14 07:55:18] BTCDJS : yeah wally. Raped!
[2016-06-14 07:55:30] BTCDJS : have you ever been raped?
[2016-06-14 07:55:37] BTCDJS : its not nice
[2016-06-14 07:55:39] Mr Blue : lets add him to the sex offenders list
[2016-06-14 07:55:53] Mr Blue : lol ;-)
[2016-06-14 07:56:13] BTCDJS : we will put him in the banister category. thats even worse
[2016-06-14 07:56:28] BTCDJS : Bankster
[2016-06-14 07:56:31] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: well I was raped yesterday, but the rapest left me 0.15 at least as payment for a good time lol
[2016-06-14 07:57:07] BTCDJS : No mate. Thats not right. Thats how they get you.
[2016-06-14 07:58:02] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: he said next time if I'm a good boy can have 0.2 BTC lol
[2016-06-14 07:58:59] BTCDJS : Thats blackmail. Will the corruption never stop?
[2016-06-14 07:59:25] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: could be worse, he could of been a blackmail ;-)
[2016-06-14 07:59:54] Mr Blue : i'd of needed 0.5 for that lol
[2016-06-14 08:00:30] BTCDJS : stop looking on the bright side. A great injustice has been done to you.
[2016-06-14 08:01:36] Mr Blue : my profits was cut, but I think I read they do some bullshit like dinamic profits, so if exchanges is losing we all lose
[2016-06-14 08:02:08] Mr Blue : exchange*
[2016-06-14 08:02:51] BTCDJS : you are like the R in my name.
[2016-06-14 08:02:55] Mr Blue : I blame the whales that jumped in at 580 like they new
[2016-06-14 08:03:30] Mr Blue : mainly because it should of been me :-(
[2016-06-14 08:04:27] BTCDJS : does anyone else think BTC could make another move up?
[2016-06-14 08:04:54] BTCDJS : Im not 100% convinced its over yet
[2016-06-14 08:04:58] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: yes to 800 but looks like we're resting in a small down trend at the moment
[2016-06-14 08:05:32] sq : looks like another push upo coming!
[2016-06-14 08:06:22] Bacon futures trader : Still coiling
[2016-06-14 08:07:04] Bacon futures trader : Need to get above 4690 cny
[2016-06-14 08:10:54] Mr Blue : bitstamp and kraken just went green candal, lets see if the others follow
[2016-06-14 08:11:41] Mr Blue : nope bitstamp back red lol
[2016-06-14 08:12:45] Bacon futures trader : Don't watch stamp and kraken, they got no liquidity
[2016-06-14 08:13:09] Mr Blue : http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html is playing up, making me refresh the page to see market updates... bullshit
[2016-06-14 08:14:06] Mr Blue : Bacon futures trader: I watch them all, but ye I wouldn't make moves just based on them two places
[2016-06-14 08:14:55] Bacon futures trader : Watching this on huobi: https://www.tradingview.com/x/wjwyvpMu/
[2016-06-14 08:15:07] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: Bitmex uses 0kcoin, Bitfinex, and Bitstamp for their index. Finex and 0kcoin. are the two main ones to look at
[2016-06-14 08:15:16] Bacon futures trader : this chat is buggie af lol
[2016-06-14 08:16:03] BTCDJS : Bacon futures trader: huh?
[2016-06-14 08:16:44] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: ye I haven okc open to watch buys / sells, the others I normally just check out on bitcoincharts when it's not playing up
[2016-06-14 08:17:34] Mr Blue : Bacon futures trader: lol, i'll need to try out tradingview one time, probably a much safer site than bitcoincharts
[2016-06-14 08:18:25] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: are we sure coinbase isn't in the mix?
[2016-06-14 08:18:36] BTCDJS : its not no
[2016-06-14 08:19:21] BTCDJS : tho i wonder sometimes why bitstamp and not coinbase
[2016-06-14 08:19:30] Mr Blue : strange, coinbase us only place I half believe when they say over 3 million customers and counting
[2016-06-14 08:19:59] Mr Blue : is* not us lol fat fingers
[2016-06-14 08:21:19] Mr Blue : but ye I remember last time people got stressed when I mentioned coinbase lol, so time for a join I'll be back soon, happy trading guys
[2016-06-14 08:21:29] Mr Blue : joint
[2016-06-14 08:21:32] Bacon futures trader : Where does the liquidity come from on Bitmex? Only trading it's own orderbook or also liquidity providers from different exchanges?
[2016-06-14 08:22:42] BTCDJS : wally will be able to answer that one. WALLY? you here mate ^^^^^
[2016-06-14 08:23:01] vbmithr : no
[2016-06-14 08:23:05] vbmithr : only it's own order book
[2016-06-14 08:23:06] Mr Blue : Bacon futures trader: it comes from strange Magic ;-)
[2016-06-14 08:23:19] vbmithr : there are market makers I guess :)
[2016-06-14 08:24:33] Bacon futures trader : realised pnl = fees?
[2016-06-14 08:25:09] Bacon futures trader : Trying to figure out eveything. Made and account a few days ago.
[2016-06-14 08:29:50] vbmithr : no!
[2016-06-14 08:30:03] vbmithr : It's your profit and loss
[2016-06-14 08:30:07] vbmithr : realized
[2016-06-14 08:30:12] vbmithr : unrealized is paper profits and loss
[2016-06-14 08:35:07] Mr Blue : Bacon futures trader: I'm fairly new here as well mate, when I started I just assumed sell for more than I paid and make money, and it worked, but with the high lending rate at the moment or w.e it is, you want at least $5 profit per BTC before you sell Id say.
[2016-06-14 08:37:19] Mr Blue : and that's made this game much harder, and probably why old school members have been upset.. but it will be lowered soon enough I hope, and its better than exchange losing its ass, bet the bull market everybody and their dog knows about has been hard for them
[2016-06-14 08:39:54] elmorte : Bacon futures trader: yeah, when you first open a position it's only fees that are realised
[2016-06-14 08:40:30] elmorte : As you start to close the position, actual profit or loss will show up in there as well
[2016-06-14 08:42:01] Mr Blue : but I do like to lick a little ass lol
[2016-06-14 08:42:25] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: disgusting
[2016-06-14 08:42:59] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: only if they didn't wipe first ;-)
[2016-06-14 08:43:18] elmorte : Mr Blue: ...if they wipe, what is there to lick??
[2016-06-14 08:43:47] Mr Blue : elmorte: the bum bum hole
[2016-06-14 08:43:59] BTCDJS : elmorte: guys please
[2016-06-14 08:44:40] Mr Blue : that's what she said
[2016-06-14 08:44:52] elmorte : oooh....
[2016-06-14 08:45:04] Mr Blue : LMAO
[2016-06-14 08:47:05] elmorte : Market here is spiteful or what..."you wanted a convergence, fck you, here's a discount"
[2016-06-14 08:48:39] Mr Blue : elmorte: if I see some greed candals i'll enjoy eating the discount, but it's a risky one at the moment.
[2016-06-14 08:49:21] Mr Blue : clearly no good for shorting though, if your going long it's attractive, however only if you stronglt believe 800
[2016-06-14 08:49:34] Mr Blue : strongly*
[2016-06-14 08:49:46] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: look at 1d chart
[2016-06-14 08:49:52] BTCDJS : I believe
[2016-06-14 08:50:16] kogroken : That monthly chart tho
[2016-06-14 08:50:44] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: I'm still debating but that 10,000 at 690 is tempting me
[2016-06-14 08:51:02] vbmithr : When you take a long XBTUSD position on Bitfinex
[2016-06-14 08:51:11] vbmithr : You pay the USD lending rate there, right?
[2016-06-14 08:51:24] vbmithr : But you don't receive the XBT rate unless you manually lend your XBT in margin funding
[2016-06-14 08:51:43] BTCDJS : kogroken: that 4h chart thohttp://www.tradingview.com/x/HSZDfOJW
[2016-06-14 08:52:36] kogroken : Not sure how you see a double top from the current action
[2016-06-14 08:53:40] Mr Blue : I prob wait till I see clear direction from the market an miss out on extra $30, because big sell wall finex around 745, however same can be said of buying pressure at 680
[2016-06-14 08:54:25] kogroken : We have a pretty nice pennant on the 30 minute bars, but it could adjust down and do some more sideways like it did the last time.
[2016-06-14 08:55:17] kogroken : (looking at china)
[2016-06-14 08:55:27] kogroken : Western pattern is a bit different.
[2016-06-14 08:57:19] BTCDJS : kogroken: sorry that was 2h chart. Heres 4h charthttp://www.tradingview.com/x/11v0ka0q
[2016-06-14 08:58:27] Mr Blue : kogroken: ye I think we'll trade sideways for few days before push up to 800, if not we'll stay around 650/680 till block reward halving.. but I just make guestimates lol
[2016-06-14 09:00:12] kogroken : Hmm, a few days may be a bit high in my estimate.
[2016-06-14 09:00:57] kogroken : And as someone said here earlier, we either go down or up, staying flat at this price until halving is unlikely.
[2016-06-14 09:01:22] Mr Blue : kogroken: probably, but we could do with resting, or market will be accused by the media as just been another pump/dump like willy bot.
[2016-06-14 09:01:45] kogroken : Yeah, if we go up too fast we'll come down sooner.
[2016-06-14 09:03:38] kogroken : I wouldn't worry too much about how the media spins things.
[2016-06-14 09:03:49] Mr Blue : I actually had a theory that okc got robbed, and the big players came together and worked out a plan, rather than anouncing another mtgox when we was still at £150
[2016-06-14 09:03:56] kogroken : media usually follows price, not the other way.
[2016-06-14 09:04:07] kogroken : (well, it is a feedback loop sometimes)
[2016-06-14 09:05:15] Mr Blue : kogroken: saying goes all media is good media,, but I think the isis bullshit disproved that one lol, glad we found them shipping oil to turkey or they'd still probably be blaming Bitcoin.
[2016-06-14 09:05:49] kogroken : It seems it blew over pretty quickly
[2016-06-14 09:06:49] Mr Blue : clearly we don't want the media scaring off the nanas from investing in BTC, and the other free range slaves that think isis wasn't created by the global elites for a purpose
[2016-06-14 09:07:36] Mr Blue : have you guys seen , Four Lions??? epic funny film, but really what sort of message did it send??
[2016-06-14 09:09:30] Mr Blue : haha if you have seen it you'll get this, somebody needs to (bigger) this market up lol
[2016-06-14 09:09:50] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: is indicativeFundingRate in the instrument table predicted funding rate for the next 8h interval?
[2016-06-14 09:10:42] Mr Blue : i'll bigger it lol
[2016-06-14 09:13:19] Mr Blue : yeye your all from the UK and nobodies seen Four Lions??? I call bullshit
[2016-06-14 09:16:43] Mr Blue : you need to get on your rubber diggy rapids and get back to America lol
[2016-06-14 09:20:41] NukeLaloosh : whoa! what is with the eth orderbook?
[2016-06-14 09:22:04] NukeLaloosh : super dodgy
[2016-06-14 09:31:11] Mr Blue : NukeLaloosh: somebody feels like losing money maybe, betting that Bitcoin will drop in price to 600 = eth increase.
[2016-06-14 09:36:06] rapidtrades : wtf stop buying morans
[2016-06-14 09:36:13] NukeLaloosh : some serious premium on that contract. all the asks disappeared for awhile
[2016-06-14 09:36:38] rapidtrades : which
[2016-06-14 09:41:34] vbmithr : what's with the eth order book?
[2016-06-14 09:41:45] vbmithr : seems "fixed" now
[2016-06-14 09:42:07] rapidtrades : vbmithr: yeah i fixed it
[2016-06-14 09:42:11] rapidtrades : ur welcome world
[2016-06-14 09:46:57] tscha : just checked out cryptofacilities.com
[2016-06-14 09:47:12] tscha : one of the most buggy and laggy interfaces I have seen in a long time
[2016-06-14 09:47:46] miramm1115 : tscha: wait until you try to use their API
[2016-06-14 09:48:21] tscha : miramm1115: does it get worse? I mean, every click takes 3-4 seconds until the UI reacts
[2016-06-14 09:52:15] micmix : you couldn't even get order status
[2016-06-14 09:52:26] micmix : maybe it's better now, they have V2
[2016-06-14 10:07:08] NukeLaloosh : TheDao now worth $223M lol
[2016-06-14 10:09:04] zanza : rofl
[2016-06-14 10:09:43] NukeLaloosh : biggest crowdfunded by nearly 2x
[2016-06-14 10:16:48] wurstgelee : thats not how it werks tho. $223m is crowdfund+capital gains
[2016-06-14 10:18:32] NukeLaloosh : they have $223M at their disposal for investments, yes?
[2016-06-14 10:21:23] rapidtrades : 'investments'
[2016-06-14 10:21:36] rapidtrades : funny word for drunken orgies
[2016-06-14 10:25:24] NukeLaloosh : i think if you viewed it as fiat>>ETH>>DAO>>ETH>>fiat, yes you'd have a cap gain
[2016-06-14 10:26:19] podizzle3k : who said eth order book was fixed
[2016-06-14 10:26:34] podizzle3k : fixed as in not a damn person selling
[2016-06-14 10:26:51] podizzle3k : 588 contracts total for sale up to infinity
[2016-06-14 10:26:53] podizzle3k : not great
[2016-06-14 10:29:35] NukeLaloosh : right, and with a 4% premium
[2016-06-14 10:30:02] NukeLaloosh : leading indicator?
[2016-06-14 10:30:40] elmorte : Guess funding needs to be adjusted on ETH as well...
[2016-06-14 10:31:34] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-14 10:31:51] rapidtrades : JACK THOSE RATES UP
[2016-06-14 10:31:57] rapidtrades : JACK EM!!!!!!!!!!
[2016-06-14 10:32:04] elmorte : PREMIUM!
[2016-06-14 10:32:08] elmorte : Why are we shouting?
[2016-06-14 10:32:39] elmorte : rapidtrades: Did you dabble in an altcoin? You can tell us...
[2016-06-14 10:33:39] rapidtrades : i have 1 altcoin trade this year, short eth
[2016-06-14 10:33:59] elmorte : Must have taken a lot for you not to call it shitcoin
[2016-06-14 10:34:08] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-06-14 10:37:00] rapidtrades : usd/cnh back above 6.60
[2016-06-14 10:37:42] elmorte : Moon!
[2016-06-14 10:37:50] elmorte : Damnit, I just went short..
[2016-06-14 10:38:05] podizzle3k : did pbc fix it?
[2016-06-14 10:38:18] rapidtrades : fixed it same, around 6.58
[2016-06-14 10:45:52] wurstgelee : i am all set. we my go up now
[2016-06-14 10:45:55] wurstgelee : *may
[2016-06-14 10:47:32] Mr Blue : ItBit 698
[2016-06-14 10:49:44] Gekko : anyone know why etcbtc swap here trading so far away from the spot price? Doesn't the Bitmex contract settle someway vs the Spot??
[2016-06-14 10:50:09] Gekko : looks like an arb there to me
[2016-06-14 10:50:18] elmorte : Gekko: It doesn't settle, that's probably the issue
[2016-06-14 10:50:19] wurstgelee : it does rebalance/stelle against spot (polo index)
[2016-06-14 10:50:27] wurstgelee : *-settle.
[2016-06-14 10:50:38] wurstgelee : but since people think the only way is up, it has a decent premium
[2016-06-14 10:51:25] Gekko : I thought they were going to try tie it to the physical more, or is that only the XBT swap?
[2016-06-14 10:51:41] wurstgelee : not sure but probably
[2016-06-14 10:51:44] NukeLaloosh : liftoff
[2016-06-14 10:52:02] elmorte : XBT yes...proobably ETH too if it stays out of line
[2016-06-14 10:53:40] rapidtrades : guys
[2016-06-14 10:55:55] BitMEX_Arthur : Gekko: XBTUSD was the first product we rolled out the changes on
[2016-06-14 10:56:16] BitMEX_Arthur : We are evaluating how the market is reacting, and will make an announcement if we plan any further changes for the other swap products
[2016-06-14 10:58:09] Bacon futures trader : Huobi looking heavy
[2016-06-14 10:58:13] NukeLaloosh : BitMEX_Arthur: what changes?
[2016-06-14 10:59:51] Gekko : Ok no problem
[2016-06-14 11:01:35] Bacon futures trader : Yerrr dump it
[2016-06-14 11:16:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 75 @ 0.02775
[2016-06-14 11:16:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 73 @ 0.02789
[2016-06-14 11:16:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 750 @ 0.02780
[2016-06-14 11:21:35] podizzle3k : fridays a long ways away apparently for eth
[2016-06-14 11:22:03] BTCDJS : what do you mean? @podizzle3k
[2016-06-14 11:22:08] podizzle3k : wow whats with that dip on polo eth chart
[2016-06-14 11:22:10] podizzle3k : did it really sell off
[2016-06-14 11:27:23] luckynuke : Today: Longs will be killed
[2016-06-14 11:28:10] rapidtrades : why is okc online
[2016-06-14 11:28:12] rapidtrades : why the fuckckfl
[2016-06-14 11:28:13] rapidtrades : why the fuckckflkp][e]#g]v
[2016-06-14 11:30:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 70000 @ 688.07 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-06-14 11:30:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5000 @ 686.93
[2016-06-14 11:30:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1215 @ 686.43
[2016-06-14 11:30:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 5555 @ 686.67
[2016-06-14 11:30:27] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-06-14 11:30:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 200 @ 685.96
[2016-06-14 11:30:54] BTCDJS : if it breaks through 676 thats all folks
[2016-06-14 11:30:57] billz : want to buy the dip but don't want to pay the funding lol
[2016-06-14 11:31:21] elmorte : billz: :)
[2016-06-14 11:31:39] Mr Blue : BTCDJS: Looks good time to buy for me http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/bitfinexUSD_depth.html
[2016-06-14 11:32:35] BTCDJS : Mr Blue: well china is
[2016-06-14 11:32:38] elmorte : Mr Blue: why is there two of each chart? Spot & futures?
[2016-06-14 11:33:50] Mr Blue : elmorte: don't ask me mate I just take a look and ask my crystal ball lol
[2016-06-14 11:34:23] Mr Blue : but ye some big sells here, so be careful guys
[2016-06-14 11:35:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 1100 @ 684.89
[2016-06-14 11:35:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTUSD`: Sell 3000 @ 684.33
[2016-06-14 11:35:15] elmorte : Errrrrbody want a piece of the pie....
[2016-06-14 11:35:23] kogroken : Downtime
[2016-06-14 11:35:42] elmorte : you know it
[2016-06-14 11:36:05] elmorte : The question is....how far down
[2016-06-14 11:36:40] Mr Blue : the question is how many bear rugs will I own after today, dead bears I hope lol
[2016-06-14 11:36:40] BTCDJS : elmorte: 590s recover to 625ish is my guess
[2016-06-14 11:36:58] elmorte : I meant in the next 24 minutes :)
[2016-06-14 11:36:59] wurstgelee : btfd ;)
[2016-06-14 11:37:06] rapidtrades : why is finex freaking out like a lil bitch
[2016-06-14 11:37:15] wurstgelee : finex is clearly overreacting
[2016-06-14 11:38:00] BTCDJS : elmorte: if it breaks through here its a down to where I just said
[2016-06-14 11:38:52] jung1 : eth prove that its good investment
[2016-06-14 11:39:05] BTCDJS : jung1: here he is
[2016-06-14 11:39:20] jung1 : shalom
[2016-06-14 11:39:25] rapidtrades : damit right after i exit we get $14 discount
[2016-06-14 11:39:32] BTCDJS : spread the gospel to the people
[2016-06-14 11:39:39] rapidtrades : i only got 5 and by the time i hedged it was 4
[2016-06-14 11:39:47] jung1 : ALL HAIL ALTCOINS
[2016-06-14 11:40:02] rapidtrades : keep it down
[2016-06-14 11:40:05] BTCDJS : jung1: long live the king
[2016-06-14 11:40:38] billz : hopefully the funding in 8 hrs decreases with this dip
[2016-06-14 11:40:49] mjmj83 : Any news on the new funding on xbtusd?
[2016-06-14 11:41:03] rapidtrades : what news do u want
[2016-06-14 11:41:48] Bitcoingirl : rapidtrades: $14 discount but 0.80% funding in 18 minutes
[2016-06-14 11:42:36] arbitrage001 : so
[2016-06-14 11:42:38] wurstgelee : *bounce*
[2016-06-14 11:42:43] arbitrage001 : no dpe on correction?
[2016-06-14 11:42:47] wurstgelee : nope
[2016-06-14 11:42:52] arbitrage001 : lucky me
[2016-06-14 11:43:03] podizzle3k : wurst get your coin in order
[2016-06-14 11:43:15] wurstgelee : podizzle3k: what seems to be the problem?
[2016-06-14 11:43:43] podizzle3k : haha u tell me 4700 has become 4600
[2016-06-14 11:43:45] mjmj83 : What will be the new % of interest for xbtusd
[2016-06-14 11:43:59] arbitrage001 : mjmj83: should be around 0.5
[2016-06-14 11:44:10] arbitrage001 : since they cap the rate change
[2016-06-14 11:44:17] justinlooking : i broke the chart :(
[2016-06-14 11:44:33] BitMEX_Wally : Next rate will be 0.4299%
[2016-06-14 11:44:41] elmorte : justinlooking: not again...
[2016-06-14 11:44:46] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: booooooooooo
[2016-06-14 11:44:53] rapidtrades : everyone boo wally
[2016-06-14 11:45:00] billz : wooo
[2016-06-14 11:45:00] BTCDJS : justinlooking: it doesn't play porn so don't force it to do something it can't and all will be fine
[2016-06-14 11:45:04] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: lol, daily rate is still well over 1%
[2016-06-14 11:45:05] elmorte : rapidtrades: it's ok, you only need to short in the last 10 mins :p
[2016-06-14 11:45:14] BTCDJS : booooooooooo
[2016-06-14 11:45:25] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: you realize high rate will kill the exchange ?
[2016-06-14 11:45:28] justinlooking : u guys
[2016-06-14 11:45:37] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: no i don't realize that
[2016-06-14 11:45:48] wurstgelee : podizzle3k: ha
[2016-06-14 11:45:52] justinlooking : srsly, how do i get candles back?
[2016-06-14 11:46:00] podizzle3k : on which chart
[2016-06-14 11:46:06] BitMEX_Wally : The rate can only stay high if there are lots of people bidding the price up, which only happens when the exchange is not dead :)
[2016-06-14 11:46:06] wurstgelee : we bouncing now tho
[2016-06-14 11:46:08] elmorte : IKEA bud
[2016-06-14 11:46:15] podizzle3k : wuahha
[2016-06-14 11:46:23] podizzle3k : IKEA BREH
[2016-06-14 11:46:46] BitMEX_Wally : The rate will probably fall to 0.11% in 8 hours
[2016-06-14 11:47:03] wurstgelee : i got lost at IKEA once. almost starved to death
[2016-06-14 11:47:14] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: assuming no premium in the next 8 hours?
[2016-06-14 11:47:17] podizzle3k : what about the meatballs
[2016-06-14 11:47:17] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Wally: .1 sounds good ;)
[2016-06-14 11:47:29] podizzle3k : i got lost in an abercrombie and fitch once and had a panic attack
[2016-06-14 11:47:39] podizzle3k : all the metrosexuals and it was designed like some weird maze
[2016-06-14 11:47:41] podizzle3k : plus i was high as hell
[2016-06-14 11:47:51] wurstgelee : that was the problem at IKEA too tbh
[2016-06-14 11:47:53] justinlooking : podizzle3k: this one: https://www.tradingview.com/x/GPh3YDGq derp derp
[2016-06-14 11:48:00] BitMEX_Wally : arbitrage001: Assuming no, or slightly negative premium (just like we currently have)
[2016-06-14 11:48:02] wurstgelee : not the metros, the high part
[2016-06-14 11:48:06] podizzle3k : haha
[2016-06-14 11:48:21] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Wally: if there is discount, will bitfinex lending rate be used?
[2016-06-14 11:48:25] wurstgelee : and IKEA IS a weird maze
[2016-06-14 11:48:29] podizzle3k : the funny thing was i ran into a lady who also was having a panic attack at the same time so we calmed each other down
[2016-06-14 11:48:36] wurstgelee : lol
[2016-06-14 11:48:40] podizzle3k : collectively said fuck this place and left together
[2016-06-14 11:48:41] rapidtrades : the guys at finex panic like lil girls
[2016-06-14 11:48:56] podizzle3k : rapidtrades: they dont have the steely reserve that it takes to arbitrage a premium
[2016-06-14 11:49:07] rapidtrades : i agree
[2016-06-14 11:49:08] wurstgelee : :) :) :)
[2016-06-14 11:49:37] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: finex price carries more weight than bitstamp and okcoin
[2016-06-14 11:49:43] wurstgelee : podizzle3k: whats your shitcoin doing? not pumping any more?
[2016-06-14 11:50:03] podizzle3k : wurstgelee: did you see that dump on the 1m?
[2016-06-14 11:50:15] wurstgelee : eth?
[2016-06-14 11:50:18] wurstgelee : yap
[2016-06-14 11:50:19] podizzle3k : yeah check it out
[2016-06-14 11:50:23] podizzle3k : nasty fuckery
[2016-06-14 11:50:34] podizzle3k : right out the okc playbook
[2016-06-14 11:50:39] wurstgelee : a good dump tbh
[2016-06-14 11:50:43] wurstgelee : cleanly wollsim'd eth