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[2016-05-23 16:22:10] Johnster : So what do we see on this page: the blue line is index?
[2016-05-23 16:29:56] BitMEX_Wally : Johnster: If you are on the dark theme then yes, the blue line on the chart is the underlying index
[2016-05-23 16:31:27] BitMEX_Wally : huangyong: The open interest is updated after every trade
[2016-05-23 17:09:22] BitMEX_Sam : I'll send another email to TradingView about listing the perpetual.
[2016-05-23 19:30:54] mjones : this trollbox is so hard to open sometimes on chrome
[2016-05-23 19:35:14] Johnster : works fine for me.
[2016-05-23 19:36:08] Tetsuo : ETH about to crash like an egypt plane! cover your heads
[2016-05-23 19:43:29] billz : Tetsuo: bet
[2016-05-23 19:45:14] podizzle3k : mjones: yeah i noticed that too
[2016-05-23 19:45:18] podizzle3k : clicking like a madman
[2016-05-23 19:45:26] podizzle3k : dragging and clicking until i just give up
[2016-05-23 19:45:33] podizzle3k : other times it just pops open
[2016-05-23 19:46:05] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. It just doesn't open sometimes?
[2016-05-23 19:47:00] miramm1115 : yeah, I have the same problem sometimes. I think it's related to the way it can be dragged around. it thinks you're going to drag it
[2016-05-23 19:47:33] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes - if you drag it, then it won't open, it just thinks you're going to move it.
[2016-05-23 19:47:39] BitMEX_Sam : I should add a few px grace on that.
[2016-05-23 20:16:42] mjones : rofl tetsuo that's some quality trolling right there
[2016-05-23 20:19:46] mjones : yeah i was clicking like 50 times and gave up. then i come back and it opens first click.
[2016-05-23 21:13:12] Tetsuo : If things are going to get really well for ETH it will only suffer 5 times as hard as DOGE and might even get a place among the TOP 10 of the biggest crypto scams.
[2016-05-23 21:23:31] mjones : the cool thing was staking to get people to move their coins off the exchange. now the new hotness is locking your coins up in a DAO
[2016-05-23 21:23:49] mjones : scams have really evolved
[2016-05-23 21:29:53] rapidtrades : bullish or bearish guys?
[2016-05-23 21:32:11] billz : rapidtrades: still bullish but we may see 0.029 for a bit, coinbase adding ETH tomorrow and DAO doesn't end till the 28th
[2016-05-23 21:32:25] rapidtrades : on BTC
[2016-05-23 21:32:28] mrp1nk : lel
[2016-05-23 21:32:43] billz : rapidtrades: lol btc not moving
[2016-05-23 21:32:45] rapidtrades : f*ck eth
[2016-05-23 21:32:56] rapidtrades : billz: ur mom sure is moving tho
[2016-05-23 21:33:35] billz : rapidtrades: someone lost a lot of money in this drop? lol
[2016-05-23 21:33:40] mrp1nk : billz: if 0.029 breaks it's over imo
[2016-05-23 21:33:47] habibi : billz: everyone wanna trick market by waiting till end of dao presale to dump. looks like dump will happen before
[2016-05-23 21:34:05] mrp1nk : ^ this
[2016-05-23 21:34:54] habibi : and coinbase news, its for pleb... only way i am scared with shorting is okc coming from nowhere adding eth.
[2016-05-23 21:35:05] rapidtrades : give me dao nao
[2016-05-23 21:38:45] rapidtrades : there's a lot of liquidty on this swap thing
[2016-05-23 21:39:01] mrp1nk : eth will almost sure be the next big short. i'm looking forward to it
[2016-05-23 21:39:02] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-05-23 21:39:24] rapidtrades : not sure if its a bitmex marketing gimmick but i like it
[2016-05-23 21:39:33] rapidtrades : let's see if it lasts
[2016-05-23 21:39:41] BitMEX_Sam : DAO or the swaps?
[2016-05-23 21:40:01] rapidtrades : no btc
[2016-05-23 21:40:57] billz : habibi: @mrp1nk we'll see
[2016-05-23 21:47:24] Tetsuo : You know what happened when the Coinbase BTC pump went badly, anyone remember the rocket countdown, and BTC crahed right after it finished? Well now think about what´s going to happen to Vitaliks Lubecoin
[2016-05-23 21:48:19] habibi : remember that, up to 310-315 then full reversal. i am still shocked that they didnt get charged for that "to the moon" manipulation
[2016-05-23 21:53:38] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: that was terrible i remember
[2016-05-23 21:53:41] rapidtrades : coinbase is the worst
[2016-05-23 21:57:25] rapidtrades : jezz 300 btc sell wall on finex
[2016-05-23 21:57:32] rapidtrades : wonder what the f*cker is up to
[2016-05-23 21:59:11] Tetsuo : rapidtrades: That´s how megapumps start, seein if there is enough demand. Anyone remember the 10000BTC sell wall on GOX @ 266 before it got pumped 1000$ :-)
[2016-05-23 22:00:00] Tetsuo : Vitalik Butterscam is going to laugh hard about all the people he scammed out of their BTC
[2016-05-23 22:03:24] Tetsuo : BTCers & Chikuners get ready for the PUMP!
[2016-05-23 22:06:04] Rasign : why my whitdrawal have been cancelled?
[2016-05-23 22:06:10] Tetsuo : "REKT: Liquidated long on ETHXBT:" You´re going to read this message in hogh frequency for a lot of weeks
[2016-05-23 22:06:39] Tetsuo : Rasign: Sorry, but we´re out of funds!
[2016-05-23 22:06:58] Rasign : Tetsuo: ?
[2016-05-23 22:07:20] billz : lmao if you think coinbase is bad, simplefx was hyping the btc pump to 470 and even sent out emails saying it was going to $550
[2016-05-23 22:08:30] rapidtrades : simplefx is so shady
[2016-05-23 22:09:05] Tetsuo : Rasign: Sorry, but we think that we can´t cover the the losses from the upcoming ETHBTC crash disaster in the next 2 days, so we are going to hold back every withdrawl until we see how bad it gets.
[2016-05-23 22:09:29] Rasign : ^^
[2016-05-23 22:09:48] Tetsuo : "Socialized losses they call it in China, i think : - )"
[2016-05-23 22:13:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.03042
[2016-05-23 22:13:13] habibi : so it begins
[2016-05-23 22:13:14] habibi : :D
[2016-05-23 22:13:26] mrp1nk : hehe
[2016-05-23 22:15:29] Rasign : let's make money guys !
[2016-05-23 22:18:47] miramm1115 : are you guys already shorting eth?
[2016-05-23 22:19:27] mrp1nk : no
[2016-05-23 22:19:56] miramm1115 : ok, just talking then :smile:
[2016-05-23 22:20:23] rapidtrades : why would we short the BEST COIN EVA
[2016-05-23 22:23:35] miramm1115 : exactly
[2016-05-23 22:23:49] mjones : i'm not shorting ETH just yet. might still have one last trap in it
[2016-05-23 22:27:27] rapidtrades : so the DPE on the swap gets zero-ed out on friday?
[2016-05-23 22:27:40] rapidtrades : if there's any
[2016-05-23 22:27:43] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes.
[2016-05-23 22:31:48] Tetsuo : Tears of blood coming along for yall little vitalis, can ya smell em already?
[2016-05-23 22:32:06] Tetsuo : Chikun and BTc are going to take the manic ride
[2016-05-23 22:34:59] mjones : i hope LTC. not sure if the news / software is going to be that great
[2016-05-23 22:35:09] Tetsuo : Last chance, to enter all ya shorts and logs real cheap
[2016-05-23 22:35:20] rapidtrades : mjones: LTC what
[2016-05-23 22:35:39] mjones : i hope LTC doubles or triples in price
[2016-05-23 22:35:45] Tetsuo : mjones: LTC is going along with BTC this time, just a few times harder
[2016-05-23 22:36:40] Tetsuo : mini sell wall on finex almost gone
[2016-05-23 22:36:46] mjones : 9 months since LTC has done anything. although last couple weeks it has been trending up
[2016-05-23 22:37:12] rapidtrades : Tetsuo: yeah 100btc eaten just like that
[2016-05-23 22:37:49] Tetsuo : get ready for da boooom
[2016-05-23 22:38:16] rapidtrades : meh, almost flat here
[2016-05-23 22:39:05] rapidtrades : things are still messy on daily
[2016-05-23 22:54:43] Tetsuo : Just call me when we´re@800 BTC/USD
[2016-05-23 23:15:22] Tetsuo : Here it comes! Buy or die!
[2016-05-23 23:17:38] Tetsuo : Game over Vitali , game over!
[2016-05-23 23:18:57] sebaas : Short ETH, Long BTC
[2016-05-23 23:20:37] Tetsuo : sebaas: D’accord
[2016-05-23 23:21:02] sebaas : and whatever you do, long bvol24h
[2016-05-23 23:22:41] rapidtrades : relax fellas, we're not even up $1
[2016-05-23 23:24:14] mrp1nk : yeah, lets break 443 first before we can call moon
[2016-05-23 23:28:51] mjones : lets break 3000 CNY for good and head to 4000 CNY
[2016-05-23 23:34:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 16 @ 0.02999
[2016-05-23 23:34:29] mrp1nk : shitcoin down
[2016-05-23 23:34:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02991
[2016-05-23 23:34:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 100 @ 0.02983
[2016-05-23 23:34:53] mrp1nk : a little bit more and i can enter my long awaited short
[2016-05-23 23:37:33] miramm1115 : I would pump it a bit more just to mess with ppl expecting a big dump when coinbase starts trading it
[2016-05-23 23:38:23] habibi : everyone is expectign pump on coinshit
[2016-05-23 23:38:25] habibi : news*
[2016-05-23 23:39:22] miramm1115 : IMHO ppl are expecting a dump like when finex listed it
[2016-05-23 23:39:47] habibi : yep, and there is another bunch of people that is expecting pump. but its not 50/50 imho
[2016-05-23 23:40:00] habibi : and still, can be some short hunting once again
[2016-05-23 23:42:55] ggwp : I couldn't close my position because of a "netwrok error"
[2016-05-23 23:43:03] ggwp : and I got liquidated
[2016-05-23 23:43:06] ggwp : ...
[2016-05-23 23:43:14] habibi : gg wp
[2016-05-23 23:43:33] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry to hear that, but we haven't seen any network disruptions on our end
[2016-05-23 23:43:53] Mangalica : when is coinbase scheduled to list it?
[2016-05-23 23:44:11] ggwp : happened a couple of times when I was trying to add margin
[2016-05-23 23:44:16] miramm1115 : ggwp: use stops, you can't rely on being here to close
[2016-05-23 23:44:40] mrp1nk : 443 broke btw. now we can go up imo
[2016-05-23 23:45:24] ggwp : does it even make sense to file a complaint? @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-05-23 23:45:42] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry - we have not had any downtime, if there is a connection disruption, it is on your end.
[2016-05-23 23:46:27] ggwp : except my internet's working fine
[2016-05-23 23:46:40] ggwp : well
[2016-05-23 23:46:52] ggwp : ...
[2016-05-23 23:47:04] sebaas : where can I trade BVOL24H?
[2016-05-23 23:47:36] BitMEX_Sam : sebaas: At this time we are no longer trading BVOL24H - that may change in the future but it is a very difficult product to market make, which means liquidity was always limited
[2016-05-23 23:48:22] miramm1115 : sebaas: you can long quanto and short inverse
[2016-05-23 23:48:24] sebaas : Thanks for the quick reply Sam, unfortunate.
[2016-05-23 23:48:55] miramm1115 : if you want to go long volatility
[2016-05-23 23:48:58] sebaas : Thanks miramm1115, I'll look into it
[2016-05-23 23:50:50] Tetsuo : Liquidated long on ETHXBT..... on and on and on
[2016-05-23 23:53:41] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: there should probably be a note in the docs about banning clients that make api errors... it's worse than being ratelimited and it's unexpected. could be what happened to ggwp
[2016-05-23 23:53:57] BitMEX_Sam : Not likely, if he were, he would have seen a complete dropout
[2016-05-23 23:54:23] BitMEX_Sam : I agree though that it can be harsh - I have an messaging update in the latest Testnet build, just hasn't rolled here yet
[2016-05-23 23:55:19] j8 : it's totally undocumented as far as i can tell and i don't think other exchanges do it
[2016-05-23 23:56:34] j8 : it could easily cause people to lose access to the site, and there's nothing in the terms about it, so it's sort of a technical error
[2016-05-23 23:56:57] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - it's an anti-DDoS mechanism, which other exchanges certainly do; however I agree it should be documented more thoroughly
[2016-05-23 23:59:14] j8 : i would think that errors just count toward your rate limit like other requests, and that would be fine
[2016-05-23 23:59:46] j8 : but i don't design these things
[2016-05-23 23:59:57] BitMEX_Sam : The issue is that we have a very significant number of malicious bots that are hammering our API non-stop
[2016-05-24 00:00:16] BitMEX_Sam : I'm working to improve the accuracy, but they need to be blocked at the link layer whenever possible
[2016-05-24 00:00:33] BitMEX_Sam : They change IP rapidly so blacklists are not possible
[2016-05-24 00:01:13] j8 : i see a lot of exchanges using cloudflare, and i get why you don't want to.
[2016-05-24 00:01:59] BitMEX_Sam : Cloudflare has its own set of problems, unfortunately
[2016-05-24 00:02:16] sebaas : BitMEX_Sam: Sam, have you guys considered adding XMR?
[2016-05-24 00:02:20] ggwp : like providing coverage for ISIS? ;)
[2016-05-24 00:02:21] BitMEX_Sam : It's a cat and mouse game but so far, with the exception of a few false positives, we've done well staying ahead of the game
[2016-05-24 00:02:40] BitMEX_Sam : sebaas: We have not so far - but if it gains significant volume, we have no problem listing it
[2016-05-24 00:03:55] j8 : and what's stopping them from ddos'ing with valid requests?
[2016-05-24 00:04:31] BitMEX_Sam : Nothing. But more often than not, they are invalid
[2016-05-24 00:04:41] BitMEX_Sam : And we ban even on high volumes of valid requests as well
[2016-05-24 00:05:09] BitMEX_Sam : (well beyond your ratelimit etc)
[2016-05-24 00:17:37] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: can I do bulk amend for multiple instruments or only one instrument at a time like bulk orders?
[2016-05-24 00:22:54] miramm1115 : :+1: on the digest, had a good laugh
[2016-05-24 00:27:25] habibi : +1, nice job
[2016-05-24 00:33:59] BitMEX_Wally : miramm1115: Bulk place/amend only works for the same instrument
[2016-05-24 00:34:29] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Wally: thanks
[2016-05-24 00:48:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 30 @ 0.02975
[2016-05-24 01:24:44] MAmbanegra21 : 123456
[2016-05-24 01:53:09] Johnster : How much of historical data will be available once you join Tradinview?
[2016-05-24 02:55:16] podizzle3k : how much hysterical data? i need a good laugh
[2016-05-24 02:59:31] Piata : How long does withdrawal take?
[2016-05-24 03:05:02] BitMEX_Wally : Piata: They are processed at 13:00 UTC each day which is in roughly 14 hours time
[2016-05-24 03:05:26] BitMEX_Wally : Sorry, 10 hours' time
[2016-05-24 03:49:45] micmix : coinbase doing it again: http://www.gdax.com/
[2016-05-24 03:50:07] rentchev : Us tgere a way for my stop order to get canceled if my limit order gets executed?
[2016-05-24 03:50:35] rentchev : Is there
[2016-05-24 03:52:06] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: There is a way, called OneCancelsTheOther orders. They are supported by our API but not our GUI
[2016-05-24 03:55:01] rentchev : I guess I can use tge API to pkace them
[2016-05-24 03:55:25] BitMEX_Wally : You can use the API explorer to submit an OCO pair: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Order/Order_newBulk If you are long 10 contracts of XBTUSD and want to take profit at 450 and stop sell at 400 then send 'orders' parameter like this: `[{"clOrdLinkID": "abc", "symbol": "XBTUSD", "orderQty": -10, "ordType": "Limit", "price": 450, "contingencyType": "OneCancelsTheOther"}, {"clOrdLinkID": "abc", "symbol": "XBTUSD", "orderQty": -10, "ordType": "Stop", "stopPx": 400, "contingencyType": "OneCancelsTheOther"}] `
[2016-05-24 03:55:41] rentchev : Thanks Wally
[2016-05-24 03:56:13] BitMEX_Wally : You can also use a contingencyType of "OneUpdatesTheOtherAbsolute" which in the case of a partial fill, will amend the quantity down on the other order, rather than canceling it completely.
[2016-05-24 03:56:36] rentchev : Very nice
[2016-05-24 04:04:12] NukeLaloosh : micmix: that gdax rocket/ether/whatever is coinbase? any idea what it is supposed to mean?
[2016-05-24 04:56:29] micmix : NukeLaloosh: countdown to eth trading on coinbase
[2016-05-24 06:43:01] mrp1nk : countdown to sell the news?!
[2016-05-24 06:48:56] BitMEX_Wally : https://blog.bitmex.com/introducing-da-blockmex/
[2016-05-24 06:49:11] BitMEX_Wally : They are currently in Phase 2: Pump
[2016-05-24 06:49:55] BitMEX_Wally : GDAX is Coinbase, and the CTO of Coinbase is Charlie Lee who invented Litecoin, which is going to be traded on GDAX...
[2016-05-24 07:04:18] micmix : time to pump litecoin, do it for Charlie!
[2016-05-24 07:05:02] micmix : he is Satoshi Lite, he deserves it
[2016-05-24 07:42:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 26 @ 0.03034
[2016-05-24 08:09:31] rapidtrades : morning fellas
[2016-05-24 08:52:24] mrp1nk : sup rapid
[2016-05-24 09:03:35] zanza : wow that article is hilarious
[2016-05-24 09:14:46] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Wally: YobitMEX would have been even funnier than BlockMEX :)
[2016-05-24 09:20:07] BombaUcigasa : I'll allow it
[2016-05-24 10:29:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 25 @ 0.02996
[2016-05-24 10:35:50] messiaen8844 : http://gdax.com/
[2016-05-24 10:36:34] ggwp : messiaen8844: what's going to the mars?
[2016-05-24 10:36:45] habibi : they fuckin did it again lol
[2016-05-24 10:37:29] ggwp : eth looks like it's headed to the red planet
[2016-05-24 10:41:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 639 @ 0.02957
[2016-05-24 10:41:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 300 @ 0.02956
[2016-05-24 10:41:28] mrp1nk : itshappening.gif
[2016-05-24 10:42:39] BitMEX_Wally : 
[2016-05-24 10:42:57] ggwp : lel
[2016-05-24 10:44:24] mrp1nk : yes!!!!
[2016-05-24 10:44:36] mrp1nk : eth to the core
[2016-05-24 10:45:23] ggwp : b-b-but coinbase
[2016-05-24 10:46:02] mrp1nk : haha
[2016-05-24 10:46:06] mrp1nk : coinbase, lel
[2016-05-24 10:46:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 22622 @ 0.02930 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-05-24 10:46:29] ggwp : ouch
[2016-05-24 10:46:33] ggwp : OUCH
[2016-05-24 10:46:39] Piata : Can I please cancel a withdrawal
[2016-05-24 10:47:03] Piata : BitMEX_Wally:
[2016-05-24 10:47:14] haxmb : oh shiet
[2016-05-24 10:47:18] BitMEX_Wally : Piata: Sure, send an email to support@bitmex.com
[2016-05-24 10:47:25] Mangalica : wow 22.5k
[2016-05-24 10:47:41] habibi : i bet he longed coinbase news as well :D
[2016-05-24 10:47:51] mjones : rekt
[2016-05-24 10:48:17] mjones : cant long for a bounce any more. whales trapped wanna get out
[2016-05-24 10:48:19] habibi : maybe this time insurance fund will get rekt as well
[2016-05-24 10:49:23] mjones : maybe we can. shorters closing
[2016-05-24 10:50:00] mrp1nk : it got eaten
[2016-05-24 10:50:05] habibi : yep
[2016-05-24 10:50:24] haxmb : nomnom
[2016-05-24 10:50:25] BitMEX_Wally : Piata: Thanks for the email, that's been done
[2016-05-24 10:53:26] Tetsuo : byebye vitali butterscam
[2016-05-24 10:53:45] Tetsuo : ETH got coinbased the hard way
[2016-05-24 10:54:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 325 @ 0.02905
[2016-05-24 10:56:00] Piata : thanks wally
[2016-05-24 11:07:17] mrp1nk : nice that almost everyone here in was exactly knowing this is gonna happen. *freemoney*
[2016-05-24 11:31:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 590 @ 0.02873
[2016-05-24 11:34:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1 @ 0.02870 :punch: :whale:
[2016-05-24 11:43:07] sebaas : hashtag-coinbase
[2016-05-24 11:43:39] sebaas : habibi: insurance fund?
[2016-05-24 11:45:48] ggwp : polaki są?
[2016-05-24 11:47:35] germanjew : When looking at your stops, is there anyway to see more information on them? like on a trailing stop market what the trail value is?
[2016-05-24 12:08:32] BitMEX_Wally : germanjew: Click on your username in the top right and select Advanced Layout
[2016-05-24 12:08:59] BitMEX_Wally : Then the trailing offset and current stop price is visible
[2016-05-24 12:54:28] mrp1nk : eth is the future they said - bitcoin is ded they said. praise the lord they said. you have not yet accepted the prophet Vitalik as your true guidance, open your heart and see the world they said.
[2016-05-24 12:56:19] BitMEX_Wally : They said all that?
[2016-05-24 12:56:55] mrp1nk : part of yeah
[2016-05-24 12:56:58] mrp1nk : lol
[2016-05-24 12:57:21] mrp1nk : the amount of hopium is still strong
[2016-05-24 12:58:01] BitMEX_Wally : I remember Vitalik telling everyone that Ether was not a store of value, and wasn't a currency. Probably so he could get Microsoft to buy in
[2016-05-24 12:59:15] mrp1nk : he is likely a clever guy, but some of his followers are simply retarded. lel
[2016-05-24 13:00:06] mrp1nk : obvious p&d is obvious
[2016-05-24 13:33:40] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: could u ping eth mm to show up :)?
[2016-05-24 13:42:29] Tetsuo : BTC&LTC pump canceled! See ya @400-420$ good night & good luck
[2016-05-24 13:42:55] mrp1nk : Tetsuo: wat?
[2016-05-24 14:03:05] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: how did microsoft ''buy in'''
[2016-05-24 14:03:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1600 @ 0.02841
[2016-05-24 14:04:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.02835
[2016-05-24 14:05:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 1500 @ 0.02825
[2016-05-24 14:08:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 15 @ 0.02795
[2016-05-24 14:08:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 400 @ 0.02793
[2016-05-24 14:08:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 33 @ 0.02796
[2016-05-24 14:10:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 70 @ 0.02770
[2016-05-24 14:10:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 20 @ 0.02743
[2016-05-24 14:10:48] rapidtrades : lol? eth busted
[2016-05-24 14:10:56] ayy_lmao : damn son
[2016-05-24 14:11:33] ggwp : rekt after rekt after rekt
[2016-05-24 14:12:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02730
[2016-05-24 14:13:05] CarlT : ouch :(
[2016-05-24 14:26:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.00237
[2016-05-24 14:37:22] Gekko : Big sellin comingnow BTC is breakin out
[2016-05-24 14:38:17] Gekko : ETHXBT will be hit
[2016-05-24 15:50:25] sq : hi why does it say on my deposit page
[2016-05-24 15:50:32] sq : this is a testnet bitcoin address?
[2016-05-24 15:52:47] BitMEX_Wally : We'll fix that
[2016-05-24 15:53:20] sq : ok tks and it says unauthorised deposit address
[2016-05-24 15:53:25] sq : thats to be fixed too? tks
[2016-05-24 15:53:42] BitMEX_Wally : We forgot to deploy some prod config
[2016-05-24 15:53:50] sq : ic alright
[2016-05-24 15:54:02] BitMEX_Sam : Fix is rolling out right now, apologies for the disruption
[2016-05-24 15:54:06] sq : tks
[2016-05-24 15:55:39] BitMEX_Sam : sq: Please refresh, issue is resolved.
[2016-05-24 15:56:40] sq : yup ok tks
[2016-05-24 16:16:26] mrp1nk : any thoughts on eth, brahs?
[2016-05-24 16:17:07] mrp1nk : i guess this is not the bottom
[2016-05-24 16:17:23] sq : yeh what happened there
[2016-05-24 16:17:53] mrp1nk : nothing special, the bubble just popped
[2016-05-24 16:18:01] sq : lol
[2016-05-24 16:18:37] mrp1nk : but there is plenty of downward potential still
[2016-05-24 16:26:24] mrp1nk : but for now bounce it seems
[2016-05-24 16:35:25] sq : do u guys have the history of daily volume traded on the XBTUSD?
[2016-05-24 16:35:43] sq : trying to find out the liquidity
[2016-05-24 16:37:59] BitMEX_Wally : sq: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Stats/Stats_history
[2016-05-24 16:38:07] BitMEX_Wally : That will give you the history of `XBT` instruments historically
[2016-05-24 16:38:54] BitMEX_Wally : Actually, you can just query daily bucketed trade data: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/trade/bucketed?binSize=1d&symbol=XBTUSD&count=100&start=0&reverse=false
[2016-05-24 16:39:13] BitMEX_Wally : `homeNotional` is in XBT `foreignNotional` is in USD
[2016-05-24 16:39:34] BitMEX_Wally : `volume` is in number of contracts (which happens to be USD in this case)
[2016-05-24 16:39:58] BitMEX_Wally : `turnover` is the notional in the settlCurrency which is `XBt` (i.e. Satoshi)
[2016-05-24 16:41:26] BitMEX_Wally : We imported the XBT24H history into XBTUSD
[2016-05-24 16:41:39] BitMEX_Wally : So charts wouldn't lose the history
[2016-05-24 16:42:17] aethlios : polo will add lisk, so we need a lisk/usd perpetual swap since we will have polo rates for both btc and lisk!!! Kill factom and add Lisk.
[2016-05-24 16:42:45] aethlios : I mean lisk/btc
[2016-05-24 16:45:27] sq : ok tks
[2016-05-24 16:46:59] Tulsene : hello
[2016-05-24 16:47:05] Tulsene : in recent trade there is red ones (short) green (long) black one are auto renew?
[2016-05-24 16:56:23] BitMEX_Sam : Tulsene: Black simply means it didn't change the price.
[2016-05-24 17:05:49] Tulsene : ok, thanks BitMEX_Sam
[2016-05-24 17:05:59] Tulsene : there is a way to know long/short ratio?
[2016-05-24 17:06:19] habibi : Tulsene: 50/50 according to my special calculations
[2016-05-24 17:06:42] Tulsene : XD habibi
[2016-05-24 17:06:47] rapidtrades : Tulsene: if we're going up, most ppl are short
[2016-05-24 17:06:54] rapidtrades : if we're going down, they're long
[2016-05-24 17:07:00] Tulsene : no I mean something like https://bfxdata.com/sentiment/longshort
[2016-05-24 17:07:13] habibi : Tulsene: believe me, its 50/50.
[2016-05-24 17:07:18] rapidtrades : habibi: no its not
[2016-05-24 17:07:42] rapidtrades : i haven't found bitfinex ratio useful at all
[2016-05-24 17:07:58] rapidtrades : not even to trade against
[2016-05-24 17:08:03] habibi : rapidtrades: yes it is. 50% contracts are short, 50% contracts are long
[2016-05-24 17:08:17] rapidtrades : habibi: shut up dummy
[2016-05-24 17:08:52] Tulsene : I found it usefull only if I can have more data
[2016-05-24 17:09:19] Tulsene : bitfinex isn't the exchange it was sadly so their stats are not usefull
[2016-05-24 17:09:23] rapidtrades : habibi: just messing around man :)
[2016-05-24 17:09:42] Tulsene : it's trollbox, I'm not scare about troll
[2016-05-24 17:10:08] habibi : Tulsene: think about nature of contracts here, and why it is 50/50
[2016-05-24 17:15:04] BitMEX_Sam : It could be useful to display what number of users are long/short, as habibi is correct in saying that we are necessarily 50/50 at all times
[2016-05-24 17:15:27] Tulsene : thanks BitMEX_Sam
[2016-05-24 17:40:55] j8 : i guess number of users long/short would be sort of inverse to okc's top trader sentiment, since many users long means the short positions are bigger
[2016-05-24 17:49:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 4 @ 0.02754 :punch: :whale:
[2016-05-24 17:55:16] donchard : BitMEX_Sam: if am short xbt/usd will i recieve 0.038% in 18hours
[2016-05-24 17:55:51] BitMEX_Sam : You will receive
[2016-05-24 17:55:52] LeSmoke : You will get rekt
[2016-05-24 17:56:04] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/XBTUSD for more details
[2016-05-24 17:58:00] arbitrage001 : seeing a lot of new traders on trollbox
[2016-05-24 18:43:20] wurstgelee : BitMEX_Sam: it prob has been asked at least a few times now, but: any plans to offer LISK trading? (no, i didnt read the newsletter yet oO)
[2016-05-24 18:43:45] BitMEX_Sam : wurstgelee: Not at this time, we don't believe the volume is there yet to make it easy to trade or hedge
[2016-05-24 18:44:34] wurstgelee : no volume yet ofc. we'll see very soon if there will be.
[2016-05-24 18:44:45] wurstgelee : polo announced listing it today
[2016-05-24 18:44:53] BitMEX_Sam : If it is, we have reason to list it as well
[2016-05-24 18:44:56] wurstgelee : so if that doesnt generate volume,for an alt, nothing will. ;)
[2016-05-24 18:45:14] wurstgelee : *listing for "later today"
[2016-05-24 18:45:34] wurstgelee : official start is in 1:15h
[2016-05-24 18:45:53] wurstgelee : Lisk will launch on May 24, 2016 at 8pm UTC.
[2016-05-24 19:04:20] rapidtrades : wtf is Lisk
[2016-05-24 19:04:26] rapidtrades : will this madness never end?
[2016-05-24 19:08:51] PatioCrasher : Waves will be the next hyip of the week
[2016-05-24 19:09:00] rapidtrades : plz stop
[2016-05-24 19:09:03] PatioCrasher : lol
[2016-05-24 19:09:26] PatioCrasher : notice how I spelled hyip rapid and chill
[2016-05-24 19:09:29] rapidtrades : not a bad double top on ethusd daily
[2016-05-24 19:09:34] rapidtrades : anyone taking those?
[2016-05-24 19:14:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 193 @ 0.02809
[2016-05-24 19:15:11] PatioCrasher : gdax pump is here
[2016-05-24 19:15:12] PatioCrasher : lol
[2016-05-24 19:16:05] PatioCrasher : BitMEX_Sam: You going to be adding eth/btc price from gdax into the market ?
[2016-05-24 19:16:27] PatioCrasher : So that polo price not taking all the strain?
[2016-05-24 19:16:35] BitMEX_Sam : Doubtful - we are as always watching all markets but today we settle ETHXBT on Poloniex
[2016-05-24 19:16:43] BitMEX_Sam : Polo has much more liquidity at this point in time
[2016-05-24 19:17:12] PatioCrasher : Ok ye I know you guys use polo now but polo freezes every known again
[2016-05-24 19:18:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 2000 @ 0.02832
[2016-05-24 19:18:53] BitMEX_Sam : Sure. Generally their price data is still available even if orders are lagging significantly, but I agree that an index is preferable when viable
[2016-05-24 19:21:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 580 @ 0.02870
[2016-05-24 19:26:08] mjones : closed my 0.02683 ETH long too early
[2016-05-24 19:26:40] Mangalica : tell me about it
[2016-05-24 19:27:06] Mangalica : i think i had 3500 from that range
[2016-05-24 19:27:43] BitMEX_Sam : First sell on GDAX since opening... maybe we'll see a retrace
[2016-05-24 19:28:14] Mangalica : that after taking a loss from being suckered into a pretend-bounce just before the MM bailed
[2016-05-24 19:28:18] Mangalica : whats GDAX?
[2016-05-24 19:28:41] Mangalica : nvm googled it
[2016-05-24 19:28:58] Mangalica : oh it's coinbase
[2016-05-24 19:29:31] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. Rebranded and launched ETH
[2016-05-24 19:30:18] PatioCrasher : What do you mean first trade?
[2016-05-24 19:30:29] PatioCrasher : first sell* ?
[2016-05-24 19:30:40] BitMEX_Sam : As in, it had been nothing but buys since opening
[2016-05-24 19:30:56] PatioCrasher : aaah ok.. mad
[2016-05-24 19:31:00] PatioCrasher : they showing lots of volume
[2016-05-24 19:31:07] PatioCrasher : :)
[2016-05-24 19:31:41] mrp1nk : trap?
[2016-05-24 19:31:54] PatioCrasher : Probably
[2016-05-24 19:34:54] PatioCrasher : Well that was fun anyway.. Paid for my dinner. Thanks gdax
[2016-05-24 19:35:01] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-05-24 19:35:08] PatioCrasher : haha.
[2016-05-24 19:47:07] mrp1nk : lel
[2016-05-24 19:47:22] mrp1nk : i'm waiting for a new entry to short eth to the core
[2016-05-24 19:47:43] mrp1nk : resp. a setup
[2016-05-24 19:50:45] rapidtrades : are they finally allowing euros on GDAX former coinbase?
[2016-05-24 19:50:59] rapidtrades : traders not the monies
[2016-05-24 19:56:40] micmix : I shouldn't have decreased quote size on eth, got scared of coinbase launch but nothing really happened
[2016-05-24 19:58:12] rapidtrades : i mean eth is now everywhere
[2016-05-24 19:58:24] rapidtrades : even if okc includes it we wont see much of a pop
[2016-05-24 19:58:56] micmix : yeah, looks this way
[2016-05-24 20:20:11] micmix : maybe if okc adds eth futures we'll see something
[2016-05-24 20:24:09] micmix : btw, where is that altcoin whale nip? haven't seen him around lately, I wonder how he's doing
[2016-05-24 20:37:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 3790 @ 0.02873
[2016-05-24 20:38:14] sleger : thankfully altcoin traders dont last long, unfortunately they are being renewed pretty quickly
[2016-05-24 20:39:21] micmix : I don't really mind as long as REKT gets a workout :smile:
[2016-05-24 20:39:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 10 @ 0.02881
[2016-05-24 20:40:24] micmix : I've been doing more volume on eth than on xbt here lately
[2016-05-24 20:43:47] BitMEX_Sam : REKT has been very reliable lately
[2016-05-24 20:47:48] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: it's been working great since you added liquidation stream to websocket. Plus I moved to AWS
[2016-05-24 20:53:24] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah that would help considerably.
[2016-05-24 21:06:05] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: nice flair yo
[2016-05-24 21:06:14] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: :bitmex:
[2016-05-24 21:06:21] rapidtrades : can i get a rocket ship flair?
[2016-05-24 21:07:19] mjones : if okcoin futures adds ETH then everyone needs to buy ETH to trade it on 10x or 20x margin
[2016-05-24 21:08:26] rapidtrades : i mean how many places do u need to trade the same coin
[2016-05-24 21:25:56] sleger : 5-10 seems to be the correct answer
[2016-05-24 21:29:00] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: need :toilet: flair for the REKT bot
[2016-05-24 22:16:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 2790 @ 0.02863
[2016-05-24 23:00:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.00228
[2016-05-24 23:01:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 250 @ 0.00225
[2016-05-24 23:39:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 35 @ 0.02880
[2016-05-25 01:31:52] iisss : how do I close positions?
[2016-05-25 01:32:03] iisss : this UI doesn't make sense
[2016-05-25 01:34:18] ayy_lmao : r u from okcoin?
[2016-05-25 01:34:22] ayy_lmao : ok coin
[2016-05-25 01:34:43] ayy_lmao : u do the opposite of what your order
[2016-05-25 01:34:56] ayy_lmao : if you bought 50 contracts, you sell 50 contracts to close
[2016-05-25 01:35:28] ayy_lmao : vica versa
[2016-05-25 01:36:07] iisss : first time using leverage
[2016-05-25 01:36:15] iisss : used to buying and selling BTC
[2016-05-25 01:36:27] iisss : or trading forex
[2016-05-25 01:38:15] huangyong : BitMEX_Sam: 管理员，为什么我看不到我自己的持仓排名，我设置的是显示真实名字，查查什么情况吧
[2016-05-25 01:43:21] BitMEX_Jinming : huangyong: 我们目前只显示前25名的盈利排名
[2016-05-25 01:44:21] huangyong : BitMEX_Jinming: 后面的那个是盈利情况我知道，上面的25名不是显示的持仓情况吗？ 难道是总交易量？
[2016-05-25 01:45:04] BitMEX_Jinming : huangyong: 上面的是盈利排名，下面的是盈利占资金比重的排名
[2016-05-25 01:46:34] huangyong : 最厉害的是盈利500多币？ 而不是说现在持仓500？ 看盈利没有太大意义，看持仓排名才有意义
[2016-05-25 01:47:14] BitMEX_Jinming : huangyong: 对。我们很快会公布持仓排名
[2016-05-25 01:47:44] huangyong : BitMEX_Jinming: 好吧，那我等你们的持仓排名吧
[2016-05-25 01:49:42] kingscrown : https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/735286622711910400
[2016-05-25 02:02:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.02771
[2016-05-25 02:02:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02772
[2016-05-25 02:20:50] cryptostephen : LTC shorters will be rekt
[2016-05-25 02:46:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 5750 @ 0.00195
[2016-05-25 02:46:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 1550 @ 0.00198
[2016-05-25 03:24:33] sq : could u guys display .XBT on the ticker line on the top of the screen like before? so much easier to reference
[2016-05-25 03:35:08] BitMEX_Jinming : sq: You can click `XBT` or `All` on top left screen, then `XBT Spot` will show up.
[2016-05-25 03:35:25] sq : ic ok tks
[2016-05-25 03:36:07] sq : also, the liquidation value of my account = wallet balance - unrealized PNL?
[2016-05-25 03:36:10] sq : assuming no withheld profit
[2016-05-25 03:38:49] BitMEX_Jinming : sq: Do you mean `Liquidation Price` of your position?
[2016-05-25 03:39:01] sq : no the current value of my account
[2016-05-25 03:39:12] sq : assuming i sold everything right now
[2016-05-25 03:39:25] sq : *closed* every position
[2016-05-25 03:41:01] sq : it should be Wallet Balance - Unrealised PNL right?
[2016-05-25 03:41:06] sq : (assuming no withheld profit)
[2016-05-25 03:41:10] BitMEX_Jinming : sq: it will be `Wallet Balance` + `unrealised PNL`
[2016-05-25 03:41:24] sq : oh yes + tks
[2016-05-25 04:01:17] yerb : BitMEX_Jinming: can you change PNL to the top orders so we actually know what we get if we market buy/sell and please deduct the fee
[2016-05-25 04:02:10] yerb : this mark price PNL is useless
[2016-05-25 04:12:41] BitMEX_Wally : sq: `Wallet Balance + Unrealised PNL` is called `Margin Balance` and is shown on the Detailed Margin Status: https://www.bitmex.com/app/wallet
[2016-05-25 05:04:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 111 @ 0.02768
[2016-05-25 05:13:36] sq : i dont see margin balance on the app/wallet
[2016-05-25 05:13:38] sq : i used to see it
[2016-05-25 05:14:01] sq : only wallet balance, unrealised pnl, withheld profit, margin required, excess margin
[2016-05-25 06:32:28] BitMEX_Wally : sq: I think this chart is simplified on mobile, from a desktop you can see it
[2016-05-25 08:04:06] mrp1nk : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/currency-war-resumes-china-devalues-yuan-5-year-lows
[2016-05-25 08:48:02] PatioCrasher : Would bitmex ever add S&P500 ?
[2016-05-25 08:48:30] PatioCrasher : Or anyone know where I can short it using BTC?
[2016-05-25 08:49:04] BitMEX_Wally : http://simplefx.com/
[2016-05-25 10:42:12] mjones : s&p death cross
[2016-05-25 10:56:07] zanza : dont use simplefx! their rates are massive robbery on swap
[2016-05-25 10:56:17] zanza : 1broker much better imo
[2016-05-25 10:56:37] zanza : Their natural gas rate is annualized 95% fee
[2016-05-25 10:56:43] zanza : serious
[2016-05-25 11:47:48] mrp1nk : 2945/2965
[2016-05-25 12:03:10] Tulsene : (noobinside) the autorenew have been done on XBTUSD?
[2016-05-25 12:03:52] BitMEX_Wally : Tulsene: Funding was just charged yes. You can see it in your Trade History: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-05-25 12:05:04] Tulsene : so I have to close my position to get PNL?
[2016-05-25 12:07:09] BitMEX_Wally : Roughly 50% of realised profit is unlocked every 8 hours
[2016-05-25 12:07:37] BitMEX_Wally : And all profit is unlocked every Friday during the weekly Rebalnce
[2016-05-25 12:08:26] Tulsene : huge
[2016-05-25 12:08:39] Tulsene : thanks BitMEX_Wally
[2016-05-25 13:35:44] cryptostephen : LTC moving
[2016-05-25 13:37:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 500 @ 0.02694
[2016-05-25 13:48:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCTXBT`: Sell 14 @ 0.00206
[2016-05-25 14:09:05] leetsp33ch : i love these REKT messages :D
[2016-05-25 14:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 50 @ 0.02665
[2016-05-25 14:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 2307 @ 0.02642
[2016-05-25 14:12:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 72 @ 0.02643
[2016-05-25 14:12:44] Mangalica : there is goes
[2016-05-25 14:41:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 25 @ 0.02674
[2016-05-25 14:49:34] mrp1nk : haha
[2016-05-25 14:51:45] rapidtrades : so let me get this right...okc is quoting the Yuan at 6.51 but actual rate is 6.56
[2016-05-25 14:52:29] rapidtrades : this means that as the rate adjusts with time toward the market, the Index price will go down
[2016-05-25 14:52:48] rapidtrades : correct?
[2016-05-25 14:53:03] rapidtrades : the okc settlement index
[2016-05-25 15:00:02] rapidtrades : WHERE'S UR MATH NOW NERDS?
[2016-05-25 15:02:19] habibi : rapidtrades: yep rapid i think thats why biweekles are below 1$ weeklys
[2016-05-25 15:04:11] rapidtrades : china is overpriced by $3 right now....so Index would be lower by $1.5 when they finally catch up
[2016-05-25 17:20:12] lockhedge : “More and more traders are paying attention to the renminbi index components, especially the euro ... The yuan is de-linking from the U.S. dollar" http://www.wsj.com/articles/hong-kongs-stock-exchange-aims-to-launch-first-yuan-benchmark-index-1464174203
[2016-05-25 17:27:20] j8 : rapidtrades: yes, last week after settlement the index adjusted down by around 90 cents, this week it will adjust down by around 75 cents
[2016-05-25 18:43:49] mjones : i see 0kcoin added 20x margin to LTC. just waiting for coinbase to add and the roadmap for it to pump and make $$$
[2016-05-25 18:47:10] sleger : ltc is going to zero
[2016-05-25 18:49:54] mrp1nk : let us know why you think that, sledger
[2016-05-25 18:52:39] arbitrage001 : it is much easier to pump alt coin than push it down
[2016-05-25 18:53:32] arbitrage001 : as anyone with capital can just push the price up to screw short
[2016-05-25 18:56:59] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: any plans for a IOS app that works similar to bitstamps IOS app?
[2016-05-25 18:57:33] BitMEX_Wally : No plans yet
[2016-05-25 19:00:38] BTCDJS : cos that would be handy. As you probably would agree the site not so good on mobile. Just having the minimum setting stops, and being able to manage a trade once opened on the go would be good. The site is too "busy" on mobile if you know what I mean.
[2016-05-25 19:00:59] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally:
[2016-05-25 19:06:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 2000 @ 0.02779
[2016-05-25 19:06:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 1 @ 0.02781 :punch: :whale:
[2016-05-25 19:07:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETHXBT`: Buy 5 @ 0.02788
[2016-05-25 19:17:31] mrp1nk : Your session has reached its maximum length of 24 hours. You will be logged out soon. You may manually extend your session by logging out and back in.
[2016-05-25 19:17:56] mrp1nk : meh
[2016-05-25 19:20:22] Mangalica : which reminds me, i need to set up clef for bmex as well
[2016-05-25 19:21:00] Mangalica : sessions always time out at the least opportune time
[2016-05-25 19:21:05] Mangalica : as a general rule
[2016-05-25 19:24:00] mrp1nk : you are trading on mobile?
[2016-05-25 19:24:24] Mangalica : no
[2016-05-25 19:48:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETHXBT`: Sell 3 @ 0.02780 :punch: :whale:
[2016-05-25 19:49:11] arbitrage001 : Mangalica: any trading tips
[2016-05-25 19:50:15] Mangalica : idk i made like 0.1 BTC here on bitmex all week as it stands so maybe i'm not the one to ask
[2016-05-25 19:51:06] arbitrage001 : saw you on the leaderboard
[2016-05-25 19:51:24] arbitrage001 : must be doing something right to be there