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[2016-04-30 20:16:05] rapidtrades : sleger: y so mean
[2016-04-30 20:16:17] sleger : what was mean ?
[2016-04-30 20:17:11] rapidtrades : shitcoin boy
[2016-04-30 20:17:23] jung1 : sleger: you are boring
[2016-04-30 20:17:53] sleger : rapidtrades: well it's because he is a shitcoin fan, that's not mean, you said shitcoin yourself many times
[2016-04-30 20:18:26] rapidtrades : there's a difference between calling altcoins shitcoins and calling smone shitcoin boy
[2016-04-30 20:20:06] jung1 : rapidtrades: easy. he is frustrated all the time and attack everything what he not understand
[2016-04-30 20:20:41] jung1 : I wish him luck but dont give a f about him
[2016-04-30 20:22:10] sleger : rapidtrades: altcoin boy is ok ?
[2016-04-30 20:24:07] sleger : jung1: frustrated about what ?
[2016-04-30 20:26:53] jung1 : dont know but its not my business. You are getting crazy every time if someone say something about altcoins on altcoin trollbox.
[2016-04-30 20:27:28] sleger : that's not the "altcoin trollbox" here
[2016-04-30 20:29:57] jung1 : no? you can trade here bitcoin, eth and litecoin
[2016-04-30 20:30:05] jung1 : so what is altcoin trollbox?
[2016-04-30 20:30:18] jung1 : and factom
[2016-04-30 20:38:38] sleger : bitcoin is not altcoin
[2016-04-30 20:39:46] jung1 : ok I can agree with that
[2016-04-30 20:39:56] jung1 : but what about others?
[2016-04-30 20:40:21] habibi : jung1: i think he just want to speak on some level here, not copy paste of polo shil shitcoin box
[2016-04-30 20:40:44] habibi : but as long as i am here, lvl will be not achieved :D
[2016-04-30 20:40:46] jung1 : and basicly most of new coins are tokens
[2016-04-30 20:40:53] jung1 : hehe
[2016-04-30 20:40:59] jung1 : I keep thumbs for him
[2016-04-30 20:41:39] habibi : jung1: and there is one diffrence between u and him :p u are dreaming about one shit turned into real gold someday so u will become rich, he is actually making money without dreaming
[2016-04-30 20:42:28] jung1 : I cant complain about my budget and trades
[2016-04-30 20:43:15] rapidtrades : so many assumptions here
[2016-04-30 20:43:23] jung1 : and I really like most of these new concepts that make possible to do thing that bitcoin cant
[2016-04-30 20:43:48] sleger : RootStock?
[2016-04-30 20:43:59] rapidtrades : i don't much about coinfundamentals tbh
[2016-04-30 20:44:11] rapidtrades : field is too new to make any sense of it
[2016-04-30 20:44:24] jung1 : rootstock is also good project
[2016-04-30 20:45:19] jung1 : and all that dapp and dao stuff will bring another wild west as it was witch altcoins in lat '13
[2016-04-30 20:45:56] jung1 : https://slock.it/
[2016-04-30 20:46:09] jung1 : http://7elephant.org/
[2016-04-30 20:46:15] jung1 : lisk.io
[2016-04-30 20:46:21] jung1 : wavesplatform
[2016-04-30 20:46:33] jung1 : more and more dapps on ethereum
[2016-04-30 20:46:40] jung1 : awesome time
[2016-04-30 20:47:40] habibi : sleger at the end u invested in that uber competitor?
[2016-04-30 20:49:48] sleger : habibi: no
[2016-04-30 20:50:30] sleger : valuation was a bit too high I thought, and ceo had bad history
[2016-04-30 20:51:20] habibi : so can be scam ?
[2016-04-30 20:51:33] sleger : i dont think so no
[2016-04-30 20:51:59] sleger : but i didnt feel comfortable enough
[2016-04-30 21:03:33] mjones : how many people actually trade on this site
[2016-04-30 21:04:23] jung1 : Bots: 286
[2016-04-30 21:04:29] jung1 : Users: 351
[2016-04-30 21:04:30] BitMEX_Sam : There are a large number of traders who don't use the Trollbox, so it often seems as if there is less activity than there actually is.
[2016-04-30 21:04:59] habibi : maybe there are a lot but most of them trade really small ammounts imo
[2016-04-30 21:08:46] arbitrage001 : traders who are making big buck probable dont care
[2016-04-30 21:09:06] arbitrage001 : frustrated traders vent out here
[2016-04-30 21:19:49] mjones : wtf @ ether orderbook
[2016-04-30 21:19:57] mjones : bot going crazy
[2016-04-30 21:25:10] jung1 : imo we will be bullish on eth in nex 2-3 weeks
[2016-04-30 21:34:21] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: could u call mm to get back on the place :)
[2016-04-30 21:34:48] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: :+1: Let me ping them
[2016-04-30 21:35:00] BitMEX_Sam : ETH?
[2016-04-30 21:35:17] BitMEX_Sam : Looks like we have two other bots trying to one-up each others' prices
[2016-04-30 21:35:17] habibi : yea :)
[2016-04-30 21:35:25] habibi : i am talking about 750 mm
[2016-04-30 21:35:28] sleger : do you want to buy or sell ?
[2016-04-30 21:35:43] habibi : sleger i wanna have opportunity :)
[2016-04-30 21:35:47] sleger : if you want to buy i can make you a quote, tell me how much
[2016-04-30 21:35:54] sleger : oh ok you just want to see
[2016-04-30 21:36:55] BitMEX_Sam : They say they're back in, I'm seeing 750 quotes :+1:
[2016-04-30 21:37:26] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: its back, sleger, rather selling but who knows
[2016-04-30 21:42:27] mjones : the orderbook was empty between 0.02 and 0.192 while these 2 bots kept adding and removing their orders. looks like "750" bot is working again
[2016-04-30 21:42:55] mjones : 0.0192*
[2016-04-30 22:18:56] viptrader : is there a way to set a sl here?
[2016-04-30 22:27:52] mjones : :bitmex:
[2016-04-30 22:31:05] jung1 : viptrader: left up corner you can choose order type
[2016-04-30 22:40:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 285 @ 447.82
[2016-04-30 22:41:39] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: can't filter trade history by symbol, symbol not clickable
[2016-04-30 22:42:40] micmix : works if I type filter expression manually
[2016-04-30 22:56:08] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks micmix, I'll push a fix
[2016-04-30 22:56:41] micmix : thanks!
[2016-04-30 23:09:01] whaleclubco : Hello, I tried to withdraw and it says check your email for further instructions, but my email is invalid (old email)
[2016-04-30 23:09:22] whaleclubco : I'm Chris from Whaleclub. I can give support a valid email.
[2016-04-30 23:17:30] sleger : support will contact you via email to verify your identity
[2016-04-30 23:21:50] BitMEX_Sam : Hi Chris - I saw the bounce - please contact us at support@bitmex.com from your new domains.
[2016-04-30 23:24:21] whaleclubco : Thanks.
[2016-04-30 23:25:06] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: do you think thats secure ? what if I send an email myself saying I am chris ?
[2016-04-30 23:25:21] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: We plan to do an investigation, just not over the public trollbox.
[2016-04-30 23:26:01] sleger : good. for things like that finex freezes the account for 7 days to let a chance to the "real" owner to say something
[2016-04-30 23:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 446.37
[2016-04-30 23:26:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5000 @ 446.31
[2016-04-30 23:26:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4057 @ 446.17
[2016-04-30 23:27:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 445.72
[2016-04-30 23:30:30] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: unusually high number of websocket disconnects today, are you upgrading the backend?
[2016-04-30 23:31:05] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Yes, there have been a few deploys today - persistent connections will terminate and switch servers as they are rolled.
[2016-04-30 23:31:31] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: ok, thanks
[2016-04-30 23:44:21] Rune : ether about to correct
[2016-04-30 23:45:36] mjones : which way.
[2016-04-30 23:46:03] Rune : down
[2016-04-30 23:46:28] Rune : btc up
[2016-04-30 23:46:32] mjones : okay. lot of orders to sell into but i'll be ready with my short for when it starts.
[2016-04-30 23:46:38] Rune : ether follows the other way
[2016-04-30 23:50:50] hashman : is clef working for anyone with an existing account?
[2016-04-30 23:54:14] hashman : I'm trying to connect with clef but it gets stuck on: BitMEX is requesting the following information Email address Add your first name.. Add your last name..
[2016-04-30 23:54:39] hashman : there are no fields to fill in the info and "Connect and log in with Clef" is not selectable
[2016-04-30 23:57:37] Rune : told you eth is gonna correct
[2016-04-30 23:58:19] jung1 : but its not end of pump
[2016-04-30 23:59:03] jung1 : https://daohub.org/ collect eth 27days more
[2016-05-01 00:02:02] mjones : there is an issue with using this site on my phone using chrome while in incognito mode
[2016-05-01 00:02:43] mjones : i get logged out after a little bit. then it wont let me log back in till i close all my open tabs in incognito and start fresh
[2016-05-01 00:22:06] rapidtrades : sup homies, bitcoin stronk
[2016-05-01 00:23:39] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: sentiment can change any time
[2016-05-01 00:28:25] rapidtrades : not rly
[2016-05-01 00:29:22] BitMEX_Sam : hashman: That's odd - try filling in that information on getclef.com
[2016-05-01 00:29:33] BitMEX_Sam : mjones: You say it won't let you log back in - what's the error you're seeing?
[2016-05-01 00:30:18] mjones : pretty sure no error. just takes me back to the log in page and i log in and then back to the log in page for me to do it all over again
[2016-05-01 00:30:38] mjones : not sure if you got a phone with chrome on it. just log in while in incognito and then let it auto log you out after awhile and then try logging in
[2016-05-01 00:31:00] BitMEX_Sam : Ah - does this happen for you on desktop, or only on your phone?
[2016-05-01 00:31:53] mjones : only on phone. i only got logged off desktop once and if i remember correctly i was able to log back in
[2016-05-01 00:32:33] mjones : and i just tried logging in again and it let me and i didn't clear out my chrome tabs in incognito. so i guess it works if i wait awhile and then try logging in
[2016-05-01 00:38:26] rapidtrades : what do u think is the most important thing in trading
[2016-05-01 00:39:11] habibi : rapidtrades: stay relaxed
[2016-05-01 00:39:12] habibi : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5JzQudbKsk
[2016-05-01 00:44:38] mjones : patience
[2016-05-01 00:50:46] mjones : can we tell how many ether are currently being held by traders?
[2016-05-01 00:51:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, it's at the bottom of Contract Details at the left
[2016-05-01 00:51:32] BitMEX_Sam : 6660 right now
[2016-05-01 00:51:33] mjones : 6660 i see it now
[2016-05-01 00:51:36] BitMEX_Sam : :)
[2016-05-01 00:54:59] rapidtrades : habibi: u sik fuk...i thought that was a music video
[2016-05-01 01:01:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 780 @ 0.01932
[2016-05-01 01:01:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 14 @ 0.01931
[2016-05-01 01:55:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 1 @ 491.79 :punch: :whale:
[2016-05-01 02:00:12] mjones : wtf is that
[2016-05-01 02:00:16] mjones : m16
[2016-05-01 02:02:43] arbitrage001 : mjones: what about m16?
[2016-05-01 02:02:59] mjones : someone was long
[2016-05-01 02:03:04] mjones : what is m16 i dont see it
[2016-05-01 02:03:55] mjones : oh i see
[2016-05-01 02:03:57] arbitrage001 : someone might just be testing the margin call
[2016-05-01 02:03:59] mjones : jun 24
[2016-05-01 04:39:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.01994
[2016-05-01 04:40:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 75 @ 449.10
[2016-05-01 04:48:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 60 @ 0.02008
[2016-05-01 09:05:51] rapidtrades : yo
[2016-05-01 09:30:11] rapidtrades : yo?
[2016-05-01 09:30:31] rapidtrades : TRUMP 2016
[2016-05-01 09:43:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 100 @ 450.38
[2016-05-01 09:54:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 100 @ 455.91
[2016-05-01 10:12:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 118 @ 451.66
[2016-05-01 10:38:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.01906
[2016-05-01 10:38:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 299 @ 0.01901
[2016-05-01 10:38:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2248 @ 0.01899
[2016-05-01 11:45:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.01870
[2016-05-01 11:48:21] ayy_lmao : cant tell if its a local render problem, but is anybody elses buy and sell buttons show the cost price in the button?
[2016-05-01 11:49:18] ayy_lmao : asset price i mean,
[2016-05-01 11:53:56] ayy_lmao : nevermind, just looked so weird, looked like it was bugging 4 me
[2016-05-01 12:12:26] gaoMex : Have a dumb question in case anyone is bored enough to answer.
[2016-05-01 12:13:14] gaoMex : I long M16 now and short U16, same quantity for both
[2016-05-01 12:13:42] gaoMex : Wait until settlement date for M16.
[2016-05-01 12:14:11] gaoMex : I then buy back U16, same quantity
[2016-05-01 12:14:52] gaoMex : what scenario will i gain / lose?
[2016-05-01 12:16:26] BitMEX_Arthur : gaoMex: if the basis % pa of U16 at M16 expiry is greater than the basis % pa of M16_U16 spread when you put on the trade
[2016-05-01 12:18:01] gaoMex : basis % pa of M16_U16 spread
[2016-05-01 12:18:31] gaoMex : what does it mean?
[2016-05-01 12:20:21] gaoMex : For example, now basis % for M16 is 69%, for U16 is 72%, so M16_U16 spread=-3%?
[2016-05-01 12:24:25] BitMEX_Arthur : Check out the Google pricing sheets we provide in the help section
[2016-05-01 12:24:34] BitMEX_Arthur : and then take a look at the calendar spread calculators
[2016-05-01 12:24:48] BitMEX_Arthur : that shoes the exact formula on how to calculate the spread basis
[2016-05-01 12:26:15] gaoMex : Checking out now!
[2016-05-01 12:30:39] gaoMex : BitMEX_Arthur: It's a little too complex for me. I know it's not so nice to say that since I've watched your youtube videos and thought I understand the mechanics.
[2016-05-01 12:30:59] gaoMex : Was trying to earn the time value
[2016-05-01 12:32:02] gaoMex : So I thought the right way was to long short dated contract and short longer dated one
[2016-05-01 12:32:49] gaoMex : and wait till settlement for short dated contract, and collect the basis
[2016-05-01 12:33:18] gaoMex : but my trades seem to be losing money for current M16 and U16
[2016-05-01 12:33:36] BitMEX_Arthur : Mark your position to spot
[2016-05-01 12:33:53] BitMEX_Arthur : you need to selerate spot pnl from basis pnl
[2016-05-01 12:34:26] BitMEX_Arthur : each day you make theta or positive carry
[2016-05-01 12:34:59] BitMEX_Arthur : your theta earned from now until June needs to be higher than the premium you pay to buy back U16
[2016-05-01 12:35:15] BitMEX_Arthur : ignore your mark to maker pnl
[2016-05-01 12:35:29] BitMEX_Arthur : unless of course you are getting close to being margin called
[2016-05-01 12:36:21] BitMEX_Arthur : given the positive carry your breakeven U16 price in 2 months time will be very high
[2016-05-01 12:36:32] BitMEX_Arthur : you can compute that basis today
[2016-05-01 12:36:53] BitMEX_Arthur : you know how much you will earn in theta from now until june
[2016-05-01 12:37:11] BitMEX_Arthur : calculate the time value remaining in U16 at June expiry
[2016-05-01 12:37:44] BitMEX_Arthur : theta earnings / spot / u16 time value in 2 months time
[2016-05-01 12:37:57] BitMEX_Arthur : thats your breakeven basis % pa
[2016-05-01 12:44:49] gaoMex : Is it ok if we use a real-time example?
[2016-05-01 12:45:30] gaoMex : theta = 135.29 - 44.04 = 91.25
[2016-05-01 12:45:37] gaoMex : right?
[2016-05-01 12:51:30] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes
[2016-05-01 12:53:15] BitMEX_Arthur : You will earn that from today until June settlement
[2016-05-01 12:54:02] BitMEX_Arthur : if u16 is 91.25 points or more expensive than spot in 2 months you lose money
[2016-05-01 12:54:02] gaoMex : time value remaining in U16 at June expiry = 53 days
[2016-05-01 12:55:29] gaoMex : BitMEX_Arthur: ah... to a layman like me, that sounds simplier
[2016-05-01 12:55:49] gaoMex : sorry, my brain is quite small
[2016-05-01 12:58:03] BitMEX_Arthur : Expressing it as a basis % pa allows you to more easily tell if you should close early or not
[2016-05-01 12:58:17] BitMEX_Arthur : try to train yourself to view everything in terms or rates
[2016-05-01 12:58:25] BitMEX_Arthur : rather than points
[2016-05-01 13:01:35] gaoMex : Would you consider having monthly and quarterly XBU?
[2016-05-01 13:01:49] gaoMex : It's much simplier for me
[2016-05-01 13:08:17] BitMEX_Arthur : We will be consolidating all Bitcoin futures into our new swap structure in the near future
[2016-05-01 13:08:28] BitMEX_Arthur : so ther will no longer be expiries
[2016-05-01 13:08:48] sleger : you wouldnt even keep long dating futures ? mistake...
[2016-05-01 13:09:01] sleger : *dated
[2016-05-01 13:09:43] BitMEX_Arthur : We will see but our current plan is to have one contract per underlying
[2016-05-01 13:09:55] BitMEX_Arthur : expiries confuse too many users
[2016-05-01 13:10:16] gaoMex : so the new contract will be XBU or XBT?
[2016-05-01 13:10:41] gaoMex : quanto or inverse?
[2016-05-01 13:11:00] sleger : inverse if they want to make it like spot
[2016-05-01 13:11:46] laisee : not sure I can see what is so confusing about expiries?
[2016-05-01 13:12:28] laisee : maybe offer spot trading for 'simple' traders?
[2016-05-01 13:12:58] sleger : I understand it makes sense to consolidate the daily 48h, weekly but not keeping long term quantos as they are doesnt make sense, this is volume you will just lose
[2016-05-01 13:12:58] BitMEX_Arthur : Well the number one and two complaints are liquidity and our platform is too confusing
[2016-05-01 13:13:16] BitMEX_Arthur : the volume on quanto long dated is tiny
[2016-05-01 13:13:23] BitMEX_Wally : We might offer an inverse spot (i.e. swap) but keep some long dated quantos if people are trading them
[2016-05-01 13:13:24] BitMEX_Arthur : and no one is mm in any real size
[2016-05-01 13:14:07] laisee : BitMEX_Arthur: surprised the mining/payment companies don't use the long dated contracts more.
[2016-05-01 13:14:08] sleger : but that brings some people who trade other stuff. NOP for june is over 1k btc
[2016-05-01 13:14:26] sleger : laisee: they hedge on cny futures exchanges and OTC mostly
[2016-05-01 13:14:30] sleger : not here
[2016-05-01 13:15:03] laisee : sleger: then maybe they prefer taking more risk ...
[2016-05-01 13:15:06] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: we haven't made a firm decision but our goal is to get more traders on here
[2016-05-01 13:15:13] BitMEX_Arthur : and we confuse too many people
[2016-05-01 13:15:42] sleger : 0kcoin has futures and it doesnt seem to confuse people there, i dont think the problem is just "futures"
[2016-05-01 13:16:05] gaoMex : BitMEX_Arthur: yea man, for simple traders like me, i just want to buy spot n sell inverse
[2016-05-01 13:16:16] gaoMex : and earn the basis...
[2016-05-01 13:16:24] BitMEX_Arthur : true but I bet more people would trade leveraged products if they looked just like margin trading
[2016-05-01 13:16:46] laisee : gaoMex: bitfinex could be your thang, then
[2016-05-01 13:17:05] gaoMex : bfx doesn't have futures
[2016-05-01 13:17:25] sleger : but soom bitmex wont have futures either
[2016-05-01 13:17:32] laisee : spot, margin & swap trading
[2016-05-01 13:17:44] BitMEX_Arthur : a future is a swap with a maturity
[2016-05-01 13:17:59] laisee : i meant on bfx
[2016-05-01 13:18:03] sleger : so a swap isnt a future
[2016-05-01 13:18:13] sleger : and you wont have futures anymore
[2016-05-01 13:18:28] BitMEX_Arthur : Well I think we have a bunch of names for the same thing
[2016-05-01 13:18:38] BitMEX_Arthur : because u can create on from the other
[2016-05-01 13:19:03] BitMEX_Arthur : you are an experienced trader. To the 99% of crypto traders they just want super high leverage and liquidity
[2016-05-01 13:19:09] BitMEX_Arthur : these names mean nothing to them
[2016-05-01 13:19:14] BitMEX_Arthur : and confuse them
[2016-05-01 13:19:18] sleger : with your new product i wont be able to lock in a long term rate to speculate long or short on bitcoin
[2016-05-01 13:19:32] gaoMex : I trust BitMEX more than bfx
[2016-05-01 13:20:02] gaoMex : if BitMEX offers swap, I definitely prefer BitMEX than bfx
[2016-05-01 13:20:06] BitMEX_Arthur : sleger: if you want them to stick around quote 5k per side $1 spread 24/7 I would have no problem keeping them around
[2016-05-01 13:20:11] BitMEX_Arthur : but no one is willing to do that
[2016-05-01 13:20:21] BitMEX_Arthur : so we have to improvise
[2016-05-01 13:21:43] habibi : why would we stay here after that change and dont just simply move to okc?
[2016-05-01 13:21:45] sleger : doesnt mean they should be removed, june is far from being dead like china or factom or even xbu
[2016-05-01 13:22:16] BitMEX_Arthur : As I said we will see how this swap product trades on ETHXBT
[2016-05-01 13:22:32] BitMEX_Arthur : no firm decision has been made. And June and Sep will not be killed
[2016-05-01 13:22:43] sleger : eth doesnt have long dated futures so that wont really tell you much
[2016-05-01 13:23:10] BitMEX_Arthur : it will tell us a lot about how easily people understand the product
[2016-05-01 13:23:26] sleger : its like spot it will be easy people will understand
[2016-05-01 13:24:02] BitMEX_Arthur : then why confuse them with tickers and expiries until such time as we are trading 100k coins a day and have a critical mass of trades
[2016-05-01 13:24:05] BitMEX_Arthur : traders
[2016-05-01 13:24:57] sleger : because some want to speculate short term (intraday) and for that your new product is fine, but some want to do long term plays including long term basis, and for that your new product just cant work
[2016-05-01 13:27:34] BitMEX_Arthur : I completely agree but eliminating expiries will help us simplify our UI and it makes integrations with third party brokers much easier. And explaining pnl and a host of other issues. If we do get rid of them temporarily I will be sad but we are here to increase liquidity. It's our number one complaint.
[2016-05-01 13:29:01] BitMEX_Arthur : And while many traders such as yourself like the product you won't step up and market make it tight indecent size and 24/7 so it's tough to make the biz case
[2016-05-01 13:32:15] tscha : is it possible to extend the chat history in the trollbox a bit? I always have to view the archive when I want to read messages older than a few hours, which kinda sucks.
[2016-05-01 13:32:55] tscha : if there is more talk (like now), it just shows last 1-2 hours
[2016-05-01 13:35:10] sleger : tscha: whats your opinion on likely disappearance of long term quantos
[2016-05-01 13:38:20] BitMEX_Arthur : I put it to some of our experienced traders to step up and market make. If the swap product is well received it would take a decent uptick in daily volume for me to lobby for them to stay around after Sep expires
[2016-05-01 13:40:40] sleger : having those products would be an incentive for some people (me) to keep funds here and therefore also trade that new product. If I take longer term products somewhere else, I have to move funds there to cover margin and therefore have little incentive to trade the spot like as well here
[2016-05-01 13:41:18] sleger : just a way to say its not the direct volume in those contracts, but also the indirect volume they bring to short term products
[2016-05-01 13:42:26] tscha : I rarely trade them, but I think they should keep it because it can't be replaced by the new product, just totally different mechanics. If the argument is that it is "confusing", they should just show one product (the p2p swap) for each underlying on basic view, so noobs don't get overwhelmed at first
[2016-05-01 14:14:51] tscha : btw, am I the only one having problems with the site atm? Just randomly stops reacting after a few seconds until I manually refresh (win7 + chrome)
[2016-05-01 14:19:39] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: I'm seeing errors being thrown by your client.
[2016-05-01 14:19:44] BitMEX_Sam : Taking a look into it.
[2016-05-01 14:23:05] BitMEX_Sam : As for longer scroll of the chat box, in the near-term I can make the archive go back farther. But I definitely would like to do infinite scroll on the chat box, much like we do on the recent trades list.
[2016-05-01 14:41:05] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Is there any feature in particular you're using right before you see the freezes?
[2016-05-01 14:42:40] tscha : Swapping from Trade to Account makes it freeze always, sometimes t
[2016-05-01 14:43:22] tscha : damn... no, pretty much everything
[2016-05-01 14:44:56] tscha : switching to tablet, works fine here
[2016-05-01 14:45:00] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Do you have another browser you can try?
[2016-05-01 14:45:17] BitMEX_Sam : You're the only user I see throwing this error, which tells me it might be caused by an extension you have installed
[2016-05-01 14:45:51] tscha : one sec
[2016-05-01 14:46:30] tscha : test test
[2016-05-01 14:46:46] BitMEX_Sam : :)
[2016-05-01 14:46:57] tscha : ok, works fine now.... it was that emoji extension I installed some while ago :)
[2016-05-01 14:47:15] BitMEX_Sam : Really - which one?
[2016-05-01 14:47:20] tscha : cant see emojis now but site works fine... maybe I didnt't update it
[2016-05-01 14:47:48] tscha : "Emoji Input" by EmojiStuff.com
[2016-05-01 14:49:01] tscha : yeah, 100%, just re-enabled it and it froze
[2016-05-01 14:49:25] BitMEX_Sam : Huh. Yeah, best I can tell, it's modifying the DOM, and then the app crashes trying to reconcile a DOM that has changed underneath it
[2016-05-01 14:50:37] tscha : it's the most popular emoji app on chrome... fucking emojis
[2016-05-01 14:51:24] tscha : i miss the good old smilies-with-punctuation-marks times
[2016-05-01 14:51:32] BitMEX_Sam : That's strange that it's even needed, I believe Win8 et al can render them
[2016-05-01 14:52:44] BitMEX_Sam : See http://superuser.com/questions/183446/emoji-characters-not-displaying-correctly-on-windows-7, might put you on the right path
[2016-05-01 14:52:48] tscha : win7, and its added via hotfix, remember I had the problem 2-3 months ago.. but the emojis delivered on that hotfix are just totally retarded
[2016-05-01 16:06:09] j8 : BitMEX_Arthur: if you want liquidity you need a competitive fee structure - don't expect the swap product to take off if it's still ~3x as expensive as okc to trade
[2016-05-01 16:09:34] BitMEX_Sam : j8: We're not 3x - OKC makes 6 bps on both sides with an open/close, we make 10
[2016-05-01 16:10:09] sleger : including your settlement fee ?
[2016-05-01 16:10:19] j8 : the trader pays 3 bps to open and close on okc
[2016-05-01 16:10:27] sleger : which is double what you make from trades ?
[2016-05-01 16:10:46] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, but each side, j8; so they're making 6 on the trade, whereas we make 5 (7.5 taker, -2.5 maker)
[2016-05-01 16:11:15] tscha : trades pays 3bp overall on okc to open and close, not 3+3
[2016-05-01 16:11:16] j8 : but on average one side is closing
[2016-05-01 16:11:51] j8 : some trades they make 6 on, some trades 3 and some trades 0
[2016-05-01 16:12:39] sleger : just take an example with 2 traders who trade 1 against each other then close, lets assume no settlement fee
[2016-05-01 16:13:03] sleger : 0kc takes 6, bitmex 10
[2016-05-01 16:13:14] sleger : is you add settlement fees then bitmex is a bit higher than 10
[2016-05-01 16:13:21] BitMEX_Sam : Right. I'm not saying we're less expensive, I am saying that it's not 3x
[2016-05-01 16:13:26] sleger : depending on % of positions kept till settlement
[2016-05-01 16:13:33] BitMEX_Sam : And our maker fee structure is far more competitive for liquidity providers.
[2016-05-01 16:15:27] j8 : fair points. ultimately 7.5 taker is too much i think, for manual traders it will always be a very frustrating experience trying to be maker
[2016-05-01 16:16:47] BitMEX_Sam : Use post-only :) We're also looking for some ways to make the order input a bit faster to use
[2016-05-01 16:17:03] BitMEX_Sam : Actually could use some feedback on the little price widget we have on Testnet: https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBT24H
[2016-05-01 16:17:31] BitMEX_Sam : It's not pretty (clearly needs a design pass) but functional. It's a little bar under each price input that allows dragging from the bid to the ask, or inside the spread.
[2016-05-01 16:19:49] j8 : that's pretty cool. bugs out when i drag too far off the side though
[2016-05-01 16:20:08] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, I need to introduce some slack into it so it doesn't follow the mouse on the way back.
[2016-05-01 16:25:49] j8 : basically it sounds like you guys are targeting the one-click market buy/sell crowd. these people would pay taker fee all the time - even with a 1 cent spread they may do better on okc. the maker rebate is how you get market makers, but the effective fee for manual traders will probably be worse than 3x okc
[2016-05-01 16:30:11] j8 : and the end game of maker rebates is, you don't really get them unless you're a bot or trading at a bad price
[2016-05-01 17:42:46] BitMEX_Sam : The max possible fee would be 15bps, which is still less than 3x okc - but I understand what you're getting at. Re: maker rebates, personally that's how I've always traded on other markets; when making you get a better price, not a worse one.
[2016-05-01 17:43:03] BitMEX_Sam : Also fixed the price dragging off the side on Testnet - would appreciate any other feedback people have on that widget.
[2016-05-01 17:47:32] j8 : it just doesn't cost 6 bps to open and close a position there, it costs 3. take twice here and it's 15.
[2016-05-01 17:48:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 710 @ 0.01891
[2016-05-01 17:51:08] j8 : if it did lead to a consistent 1 cent spread, it might be worth it, but it hasn't
[2016-05-01 17:54:43] BitMEX_Sam : My apologies - you're correct on that per-user, I was thinking of the pair.
[2016-05-01 17:56:00] j8 : basically makers would have it great here, except they aren't getting the taker volume
[2016-05-01 18:14:18] sleger : started an algo on june, small size for the moment (~200) to help spread
[2016-05-01 18:14:57] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-05-01 18:44:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 10 @ 577.57
[2016-05-01 18:51:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 1500 @ 575.19
[2016-05-01 18:56:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 448.61
[2016-05-01 19:49:05] aethlios : anyone interested to sell
[2016-05-01 19:49:24] aethlios : wrong message
[2016-05-01 19:50:52] sleger : aethlios: what do you want to do ?
[2016-05-01 19:51:52] aethlios : I want to go long XBTU16 for 25000 contr. at 550
[2016-05-01 19:52:26] sleger : not at 450 ?
[2016-05-01 19:52:41] sleger : your request is absurd the price is 575 currently you cant trade at 550
[2016-05-01 19:53:21] aethlios : I placed a bid, if anyone interested to hit me.
[2016-05-01 19:54:08] sleger : when the spot is at least 25$ lower we will
[2016-05-01 19:56:41] aethlios : sleger: 565
[2016-05-01 19:58:50] sleger : i dont *want* to sell, you are the one who wants to trade so you'd have to cross the spread
[2016-05-01 20:41:00] cengel : When you disable gauth to enable clef, which 2 factor token is used for withdrawals?
[2016-05-01 20:48:15] cengel : I don't see any tokens in Clef and I can't submit withdrawal without entering 2 factor token.
[2016-05-01 20:49:07] BitMEX_Sam : Apologies for that, there can only be one two-factor device enabled at a time - Clef at this time doesn't support reauths, so that form field should not be present - pushing a patch now
[2016-05-01 20:52:20] cengel : Does Clef make it less secure then since withdrawal doesnt require 2 factor? Although email confirmation is basically a 2nd factor.
[2016-05-01 20:54:54] BitMEX_Sam : Depends on your point of view. If you use Clef, you're sacrificing a bit of security and trusting Clef in return for convenience
[2016-05-01 20:55:27] BitMEX_Sam : Whereas GA, for instance, is just pure TOTP crypto with no dependencies - there's no company that can disappear or have an outage that would affect service.
[2016-05-01 20:56:08] cengel : As long as withdrawal requires e-mail confirmation, which I pgp-encrypt, the sacrifice is OK
[2016-05-01 20:56:10] BitMEX_Sam : But if GA or Yubikeys are inconvenient and you don't use them all the time, but you would use Clef instead - it is surely much easier to use - then Clef is certainly a net win.
[2016-05-01 20:56:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, withdrawal always requires an email confirmation, two-factor or not.
[2016-05-01 21:02:12] BitMEX_Sam : cengel: Please refresh the withdrawal page, I apologize for the disruption.
[2016-05-01 21:02:55] cengel : @bitmex_sam Just tried it and works like a charm, thanks and np
[2016-05-01 21:09:17] micmix : maker rebate is a double-edged sword. it's nice to have as an MM but it's not worth it if it decreases trade volume
[2016-05-01 21:10:15] micmix : I would choose no rebate 2x volume any time
[2016-05-01 21:19:11] micmix : I can't justify quoting more than a few coins, not enough taker volume for our algo. It makes more sense to give more money to okc spot MM for stable 2% daily
[2016-05-01 21:21:57] sleger : +1
[2016-05-01 21:24:05] BitMEX_Sam : Understood - thanks for your feedback. Our motivations are the same, we all want the platform to grow. We'll take all of this into consideration as we plan the swap launch and beyond.
[2016-05-01 21:24:48] sleger : maybe 0%MM, 0.03% taker, would be same fee overall as 0kc but with a different structure
[2016-05-01 21:25:26] sleger : or even 0.01%MM, 0.02%taker would be fine with me
[2016-05-01 21:29:55] micmix : I'm ok with 0/0.05 if BitMEX wants to make the same
[2016-05-01 21:30:11] micmix : same % per trade
[2016-05-01 21:40:07] rapidtrades : good evening fellas
[2016-05-01 21:40:53] rapidtrades : I'm NOT okay with lowering the rebate for market making...wtf
[2016-05-01 22:03:34] micmix : rapidtrades: even if it helps to get your orders filled?
[2016-05-01 22:18:56] rapidtrades : fees need to go down...not just re-arranging who pays em...otherwise nothing will change
[2016-05-01 22:20:23] rapidtrades : just see finex...ppl are constantly clogging the bid/ask even tho makers get charged 0.1..theyre not even rebated just pay less
[2016-05-01 22:27:16] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: I can't close or open the trollbox sometimes. Clicking on the title bar or on the titlebar buttons does nothing. Looks like it thinks that I want to drag the trollbox instead of open/close it.
[2016-05-01 22:28:50] micmix : right now it's stuck open and there is nothing I can do
[2016-05-01 22:29:43] micmix : except re-sizing it to make it small
[2016-05-01 22:30:08] donchard : pls will there be contago in the swaps
[2016-05-01 22:33:06] donchard : will we be using the same contago we use in quanto in swaps
[2016-05-01 22:35:05] sleger : the same ? how does that even make sense ?
[2016-05-01 22:36:50] rapidtrades : when the last change was made back in november u guys were all for it...told u the same thing back then, fees are too high
[2016-05-01 22:38:41] sleger : but you cant decide fees overall bitmex sets them to collect what they want, however the maker/taker split we have a say
[2016-05-01 22:38:49] rapidtrades : back then u were saying that the mm rebate will lead to lower spreads so ppl will trade more....now ur saying the opposite
[2016-05-01 22:39:29] sleger : depends on what the taker fee is
[2016-05-01 22:40:39] donchard : i think market makers get rebate
[2016-05-01 22:40:41] rapidtrades : sleger: anything above 0.03% in/out is not competitive
[2016-05-01 22:41:16] rapidtrades : unless they're prepared to go that low....I'd rather keep the current scheme
[2016-05-01 22:41:44] sleger : and micmix and I would rather see 0/0.05
[2016-05-01 22:42:21] rapidtrades : that wouldn't be attractive for me..like at all
[2016-05-01 22:42:55] rapidtrades : if my bids don't get filled here for a credit...i can always fomo on okc
[2016-05-01 22:43:25] rapidtrades : if u can't compete on taker fees, u should keep the rebate imo
[2016-05-01 22:44:12] habibi : just make test week, lower fees overall, if they will lead to higher volume and compesate to bitmex in overall same or higher earning - then its good
[2016-05-01 22:44:35] rapidtrades : ^
[2016-05-01 22:45:01] sleger : that usually doesnt work, because it takes time to attract volume, they would never double the volume (for equal market conditions)
[2016-05-01 22:45:48] rapidtrades : they only thing competitive advantage for bitmex for is arbitrage due to different contracts type and maker rebate
[2016-05-01 22:46:04] rapidtrades : wtf...i killed that comment
[2016-05-01 22:46:25] habibi : but its pretty obvious that at the end of day they will increase volume significantly
[2016-05-01 22:46:30] j8 : i'd prefer 0/0.05, but still i think if you're trying to draw market share the fees need to be at equal or less
[2016-05-01 22:46:45] donchard : rapidtrades: is the per to per swap going to be arbitrage
[2016-05-01 22:46:57] rapidtrades : exactly...dunno how they except to grow with 3x higher fees then their bigger rivals
[2016-05-01 22:47:07] rapidtrades : expect*
[2016-05-01 22:47:15] sleger : its not 3 times, 1.6
[2016-05-01 22:47:29] habibi : + settle fees
[2016-05-01 22:47:32] j8 : yeah we just went through this and i concede ^^ 1.6 times
[2016-05-01 22:47:34] habibi : + *
[2016-05-01 22:47:35] rapidtrades : its 0.05% per side so 0.1%
[2016-05-01 22:47:57] rapidtrades : over 3 actually
[2016-05-01 22:48:11] sleger : there is one maker and one taker per trade dude
[2016-05-01 22:48:40] rapidtrades : right...
[2016-05-01 22:49:52] 11==14 : rapidtrades: am I back ?
[2016-05-01 22:50:00] 11==14 : I felt like an old joke
[2016-05-01 22:50:19] rapidtrades : if i take both ways under current system i pay 0.15%.....under 0/0.05% i would pay 0.1%
[2016-05-01 22:50:38] rapidtrades : the whole point is to encourage taking isn't it?
[2016-05-01 22:51:52] rapidtrades : fees are 1.6 times only if u do 1 maker 1 taker
[2016-05-01 22:53:37] rapidtrades : even that is way too high...the daily should be no more then 0.01% taker
[2016-05-01 22:54:22] rapidtrades : round-turn
[2016-05-01 22:54:53] micmix : maker rebate did produce lower spreads, esp. in the beginning, but that didn't help with volume
[2016-05-01 22:55:18] rapidtrades : micmix: i didn't notice any major reduction in spreads
[2016-05-01 22:55:54] rapidtrades : pretty much always been around 40-50 cents
[2016-05-01 22:57:28] sleger : for 30btc thats not bad
[2016-05-01 22:58:16] rapidtrades : its not 30 btc deep tho...only on ask side
[2016-05-01 22:58:38] rapidtrades : for bid u have to go 30 cents lower
[2016-05-01 22:59:54] rapidtrades : pretty much same liquidty i see now on okc...at lower fees
[2016-05-01 23:00:18] rapidtrades : 10/50 with about 150 contarcts each side
[2016-05-01 23:07:13] micmix : spread was 0.1%-0.15% last year, it's about 0.05%-0.075% now on 24h
[2016-05-01 23:07:37] rapidtrades : i still see 0..1%
[2016-05-01 23:08:04] rapidtrades : its 40 cents most of the time
[2016-05-01 23:08:31] micmix : it got worse lately
[2016-05-01 23:09:09] rapidtrades : ....like i said that;s pretty much the average for anything above few hundred contracts
[2016-05-01 23:09:29] rapidtrades : maybe u have better data idk but that's what ive been seeing
[2016-05-01 23:09:36] j8 : most of the bots aren't even using post-only orders, even on XBU7D they're making it at taker spread
[2016-05-01 23:11:27] sleger : my bot takes 1/3 of the time
[2016-05-01 23:11:47] sleger : i still pay commissions
[2016-05-01 23:14:04] micmix : BitMEX_Wally has better data, he can check average spreads based on impact bid/ask price
[2016-05-01 23:14:59] micmix : I'm not sure what other bots are doing but I have to increase the spread if volume is low to compensate the risk of getting stuck in bad position
[2016-05-01 23:44:30] micmix : plus there is very little competition, only main MM on most contracts, couple more on 24h and 7d
[2016-05-02 00:00:24] BombaUcigasa : So Trailing Stop Market works only on buy mode?
[2016-05-02 00:35:05] gaoMex : Hi guys! Simple question: How to capture fair basis for quanto contracts?
[2016-05-02 00:35:31] gaoMex : For inverse, it's simply buying spot and selling futures, I know. For quanto, how?
[2016-05-02 00:40:08] sleger : that's not a simple question
[2016-05-02 00:43:58] sleger : you cant just capture the basis without risk is the answer
[2016-05-02 00:52:47] gaoMex : sleger: I see, Sleger. But for inverse, it's so straightforward and relatively risk-free
[2016-05-02 00:53:06] gaoMex : For quanto, why not simple?
[2016-05-02 01:04:18] sleger : you should read arthur's lessons
[2016-05-02 01:09:33] gaoMex : I have but i dont think it answer my question: how to capture basis for quanto contracts
[2016-05-02 01:10:17] gaoMex : it talks more about volatility and how to gain based on foreseen volatility
[2016-05-02 01:11:30] gaoMex : so now might be a good time to buy longer-dated contracts and short shorter dated ones if u think btc will go crazy in the next couple months, for example
[2016-05-02 01:11:51] gaoMex : as basis rate will rise
[2016-05-02 01:12:05] gaoMex : but how to capture this basis is my question
[2016-05-02 02:03:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 245 @ 0.01994
[2016-05-02 02:55:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 12 @ 0.02055
[2016-05-02 03:22:00] mjones : i hate when the bots take down all orders on ETH. spread goes crazy like 0.01999 - 0.0207
[2016-05-02 03:39:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02013
[2016-05-02 04:08:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.02046
[2016-05-02 04:20:04] viptrader : ETH DUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
[2016-05-02 04:28:20] mjones : eth been playing games for a few hours now
[2016-05-02 07:25:17] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: what u think ? http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/
[2016-05-02 07:39:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 880 @ 449.91
[2016-05-02 07:40:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2000 @ 451.21
[2016-05-02 07:43:06] rapidtrades : guys...we're frozen again
[2016-05-02 07:51:01] habibi : so lets start satoshi is known panic
[2016-05-02 07:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 500 @ 448.29
[2016-05-02 07:57:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 807 @ 449.73
[2016-05-02 07:58:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 2000 @ 488.60
[2016-05-02 07:58:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 3195 @ 489.96
[2016-05-02 07:58:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 14 @ 489.38
[2016-05-02 07:58:02] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-05-02 07:59:21] dorothy490 : XBT48 lower than 24
[2016-05-02 07:59:25] dorothy490 : doom ahead!
[2016-05-02 08:01:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2800 @ 447.87
[2016-05-02 08:01:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 447.26
[2016-05-02 08:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 124 @ 482.09
[2016-05-02 08:01:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 6000 @ 447.33
[2016-05-02 08:01:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 78 @ 481.59
[2016-05-02 08:01:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.02073 :punch: :whale:
[2016-05-02 08:01:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 750 @ 481.23
[2016-05-02 08:01:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 5 @ 481.25
[2016-05-02 08:02:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 111 @ 0.02088
[2016-05-02 08:02:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.02090
[2016-05-02 08:02:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 128 @ 446.82
[2016-05-02 08:02:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2000 @ 446.77
[2016-05-02 08:09:00] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: That blog post says `All of the information that is required to import the public key, the message and the message signature used in this post is available on this post.` yet does not actually provide the files
[2016-05-02 08:09:24] BitMEX_Wally : `All of the information that is required to import the public key, the message and the message signature used in this post is available on this post.`
[2016-05-02 08:09:39] BitMEX_Wally : `I could have simply signed a message in electrum as I did in private sessions. Loading such a message would have been far simpler. I am known for a long history of “being difficult” and disliking being told what “I need to do”. The consequence of all of this is that I will not make it simple.`
[2016-05-02 08:09:40] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: sorry wrong link, http://gavinandresen.ninja/satoshi
[2016-05-02 08:09:48] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah so difficult it is impossible to verify..
[2016-05-02 08:10:34] habibi : what u think about gavin reliability
[2016-05-02 08:12:01] BitMEX_Wally : Until I can verify a signed message using the private key from block 1 or block 9 I am skeptical
[2016-05-02 08:12:51] arbitrage001 : i am the real satoshi
[2016-05-02 08:13:01] arbitrage001 : please pay me tribute
[2016-05-02 08:13:09] rapidtrades : i got 0.13 btc arb in....f hate these markets
[2016-05-02 08:14:57] tscha : gavin has absolutely no reason to lie about this
[2016-05-02 08:15:00] tscha : this is pretty sick
[2016-05-02 08:15:10] arbitrage001 : i have no reason to lie also
[2016-05-02 08:16:05] tscha : gavin has a reason not to lie though, you don't
[2016-05-02 08:19:37] rapidtrades : that the Aussie guy riight?
[2016-05-02 08:19:43] rapidtrades : i think its him too
[2016-05-02 08:20:00] arbitrage001 : mean 1m bitcoin to be liuadate soon
[2016-05-02 08:20:06] arbitrage001 : hence value dropping
[2016-05-02 08:20:19] tscha : but on the other hand, it doesn't make any sense for this Dr. Wright to "prove" his identity the way he did. So I am not 100% convinced
[2016-05-02 08:20:26] rapidtrades : nah eth up, bitcoin down
[2016-05-02 08:20:38] rapidtrades : arbitrage001:
[2016-05-02 08:22:43] rapidtrades : also he didn't sell last time we got ''unmasked''
[2016-05-02 08:26:34] zanza : its legit
[2016-05-02 08:26:39] zanza : hes owns a supercomputer
[2016-05-02 08:27:02] arbitrage001 : i own several supercomputer
[2016-05-02 08:27:15] rapidtrades : i own a dildo
[2016-05-02 08:28:38] rapidtrades : http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863
[2016-05-02 08:31:18] rapidtrades : says he doesn't want the money.....BUY BUY BUY
[2016-05-02 08:32:38] zanza : he signed block 9
[2016-05-02 08:32:41] zanza : its legit folks
[2016-05-02 08:33:50] rapidtrades : i'm scared :(
[2016-05-02 08:35:35] zanza : realistically this probably wont effect price
[2016-05-02 08:37:50] arbitrage001 : the price dropping indicate otherwise
[2016-05-02 08:38:12] rapidtrades : eth is up yo
[2016-05-02 08:38:24] rapidtrades : did u miss the 25% spike saturday
[2016-05-02 08:38:31] zanza : its just confusion, the price may change
[2016-05-02 08:38:38] arbitrage001 : what rule said btc must go down for eth to ggo up
[2016-05-02 08:38:39] zanza : but there isn't a real reason for it