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[2016-04-26 18:28:45] arbitrage001 : see? lol
[2016-04-26 18:28:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 500 @ 466.30
[2016-04-26 18:34:38] BitMEX_Sam : Focusing the number of contracts we carry helps us manage complexity - I get what you're saying, but if we have a new market then we generally have to spend time managing MM relationships to keep it alive
[2016-04-26 18:35:12] BitMEX_Sam : At the time we delisted LTC, it was trading less than 1 BTC/day
[2016-04-26 18:39:01] mjones : LTC would have to be like 10x though max
[2016-04-26 18:39:21] mjones : margin calls every other second when the one guy holding LTC decides to move the price
[2016-04-26 18:39:34] BitMEX_Sam : Well, it would be on mark pricing like the rest of our contracts
[2016-04-26 18:39:43] BitMEX_Sam : So it would liquidate only based on the underlying index, not on last price
[2016-04-26 18:39:58] BitMEX_Sam : That's a big part of what allows us to safely offer high leverage where other markets can't
[2016-04-26 18:42:18] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: would the new swap product liquidate on the underlying or the same weighted mid price thing?
[2016-04-26 18:42:30] BitMEX_Sam : Same mark pricing system.
[2016-04-26 18:42:47] BitMEX_Sam : It would trade similarly to 24H
[2016-04-26 18:43:09] donatan : Sam: can you ad a small x button by open position to insta close by market?
[2016-04-26 18:43:21] BitMEX_Sam : As in, the pricing mechanism can account for changing the Fair Price when there's significant optimism/pessimism over spot, but only when there is liquidity
[2016-04-26 18:43:35] BitMEX_Sam : donatan: I have a ticket for that in our bug tracker, hopefully can get to it soon
[2016-04-26 18:43:38] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks for the suggestion
[2016-04-26 18:44:28] j8 : yeah, i'm still not convinced about the structure of it.
[2016-04-26 18:45:38] j8 : if it does trade away from spot, if you try to arb it and get some realised pnl at the rebalance, you still have to wait for it to converge to close your position at a profit
[2016-04-26 18:46:45] BitMEX_Sam : We're going to see - I know Arthur and Wally are still making some decisions about how it will be structured, and it will be some time before we move it to XBT
[2016-04-26 18:47:02] j8 : maybe there's not much reason for it to diverge, but there's not much reason for it to converge either. i just wouldn't have any confidence in it
[2016-04-26 18:47:07] BitMEX_Sam : But I think it's absolutely a step in the right direction in terms of consolidating liquidity and providing users with a simple way to hold long positions
[2016-04-26 18:47:51] BitMEX_Sam : We're not opposed with giving it something like a quarterly or biquarterly expiry if that's what it needs to anchor to spot.
[2016-04-26 18:48:05] j8 : i see
[2016-04-26 18:48:11] BitMEX_Sam : Any discussion beyond that would have to be through Wally or Arthur - I'm working on other projects
[2016-04-26 18:48:32] BitMEX_Sam : As in i18n, Clef, etc
[2016-04-26 18:49:09] j8 : one other thing, it's gonna be real hard to trade the quarterlies if the weekly is delisted.. would appreciate quite a bit of heads up if that's gonna happen
[2016-04-26 18:49:28] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: We'll give plenty of notice before it moves to XBT
[2016-04-26 18:49:39] j8 : cool
[2016-04-26 18:58:04] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: thx for the explanation
[2016-04-26 21:33:50] rapidtrades : yo
[2016-04-26 21:46:40] BitMEX_Sam : New update just landed; Trailing Stops, Calculator updates, longer session length options (see your account page), lots of misc tweaks, bugfixes, and performance updates
[2016-04-26 21:47:41] BitMEX_Sam : Hope you enjoy. I'll write up a more formal summary of the changes tonight.
[2016-04-26 21:57:56] nip : would be cool if you had fixed offset and annualized % offset from mark price orders :)
[2016-04-26 21:58:18] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: trailing stops? great news!
[2016-04-26 22:29:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCT7D`: Buy 75 @ 0.00228
[2016-04-26 23:22:49] yerb : BitMEX_Sam: any chance of bringing back LTC?
[2016-04-26 23:23:14] yerb : its on the move
[2016-04-26 23:23:45] sleger : yerb: its been on the move for a while....
[2016-04-26 23:23:47] sleger : to zero !
[2016-04-26 23:24:43] BitMEX_Arthur : yerb: We are focused on the swap product for now
[2016-04-26 23:25:31] yerb : yeah swap product for LTC would be awesome :)
[2016-04-26 23:26:42] sleger : yerb: do you think LTC can reach negative prices ?
[2016-04-26 23:26:44] yerb : any ETA on swap product?
[2016-04-26 23:27:09] yerb : sleger: your talking is useless, so...
[2016-04-26 23:29:13] sleger : yerb: what's your use ?
[2016-04-26 23:29:21] BitMEX_Arthur : yerb: We will have a date soon, but it's our top priority in terms of new products
[2016-04-26 23:29:32] sleger : dirt is smarter than ltc holders
[2016-04-26 23:29:39] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: so even tho you had LTC listed before is it too hard to just relist is for the time being
[2016-04-26 23:29:54] BitMEX_Arthur : we need market makers
[2016-04-26 23:30:06] BitMEX_Arthur : right now we are focused more on getting ready for swaps
[2016-04-26 23:30:11] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: oh i see
[2016-04-26 23:30:12] BitMEX_Arthur : then trying to generate interest on LTC
[2016-04-26 23:32:29] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: definitely BitMEX needs more users
[2016-04-26 23:33:12] sleger : idiots who buy ltc are not easy to find...
[2016-04-26 23:33:26] yerb : i was shilling it everywhere i could but its hard to get anyone here
[2016-04-26 23:34:22] yerb : sleger: who said anything about holding LTC, i just wanna trade it on leverage
[2016-04-26 23:35:02] sleger : so do I
[2016-04-26 23:35:10] sleger : the problem is nobody wants to long it
[2016-04-26 23:37:34] yerb : LTCCNY is trading pretty good these days
[2016-04-26 23:38:38] yerb : sleger: i agree with you not giving a damn about LTC, same here
[2016-04-26 23:38:54] yerb : its shit
[2016-04-26 23:40:14] sleger : did you just trade M16?
[2016-04-26 23:41:27] yerb : i was not on bitmex at the time, so i didn't have a chance to trade it
[2016-04-27 01:03:37] yerb : BitMEX_Arthur: any idea how much leverage will be there on swap contract?
[2016-04-27 01:15:01] BitMEX_Greg : yerb: Arthur is currently off the desk, but I believe it should be the same as the current leverage. Let me double check when he or Wally is in
[2016-04-27 02:15:46] dbstmddhks : wow.
[2016-04-27 02:32:17] BitMEX_Arthur : Leverage will be 25x for ETHXBT which is the new swap based prouct
[2016-04-27 02:34:35] BitMEX_Arthur : https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/contract/ETHXBT
[2016-04-27 02:34:40] BitMEX_Arthur : You can trade it in Testnet
[2016-04-27 02:34:56] BitMEX_Arthur : the docs aren't up to date yet, but we are busy completing the integration
[2016-04-27 03:05:58] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam, BitMEX_Wally, bug in the latest update: hovering over position value shows Notional: undefined
[2016-04-27 03:06:12] seaplusplus : any chance we can the order book to show more order when we expand it
[2016-04-27 03:07:40] rentchev : BitMEX_Arthur: I get an error trying to register on the testnet
[2016-04-27 03:07:42] rentchev : Error: 'username' is a required arg. Please re-enter your information and try again.
[2016-04-27 03:07:50] rentchev : there is no username field to populate
[2016-04-27 03:08:22] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: We are fixing this, one moment
[2016-04-27 03:08:51] rentchev : thanks
[2016-04-27 03:20:20] BitMEX_Sam : rentchev: The issue is fixed, thanks for bearing with us.
[2016-04-27 03:20:33] rentchev : no problem
[2016-04-27 03:20:37] rentchev : you are super fast :-)
[2016-04-27 03:25:14] rentchev : BitMEX_Sam: how can I get some BTC in the test net to trade?
[2016-04-27 03:25:33] BitMEX_Sam : rentchev: See the deposit page - we link to a few faucets that will give you very quick testnet BTC
[2016-04-27 03:25:43] BitMEX_Sam : Block times on Testnet are usually very fast, so you should have it quickly
[2016-04-27 03:25:54] rentchev : thanks
[2016-04-27 03:28:40] BitMEX_Sam : miramm1115: Notional hover is fixed as well. Thanks for that notice
[2016-04-27 03:28:49] rentchev : BitMEX_Sam: is the testnet like your staging environment?
[2016-04-27 03:28:52] BitMEX_Sam : Yes
[2016-04-27 03:29:06] BitMEX_Sam : We found it was quite useful to make public so that our users could test out bots and integrations
[2016-04-27 03:29:28] BitMEX_Sam : It's reduced redundancy so you may see occasional downtime as we test out releases on it, but other than that, it's a complete copy of the production exchange
[2016-04-27 03:29:30] rentchev : it's very nice
[2016-04-27 03:29:37] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Glad you enjoy
[2016-04-27 03:29:45] BitMEX_Sam : I'm out for the night, see you all later on.
[2016-04-27 03:30:59] rentchev : see ya Sma
[2016-04-27 03:31:08] rentchev : Sam
[2016-04-27 03:49:51] miramm1115 : BitMEX_Sam: thanks a lot for the fix!
[2016-04-27 04:04:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 400 @ 468.31
[2016-04-27 04:06:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 380 @ 466.86
[2016-04-27 04:07:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 466.31
[2016-04-27 06:42:33] Nolukhanyo : Hi im new here
[2016-04-27 06:44:52] BitMEX_Arthur : Nolukhanyo: Welcome if you have any questions please ask
[2016-04-27 06:52:26] Nolukhanyo : Thanx Arthur i hvnt made any deposits yet but i would like to know how much money can i use to buy bitcoins..... im titally blank but i want to learn
[2016-04-27 06:53:02] BitMEX_Arthur : This is not a place to buy and sell Bitcoin, you need to deposit Bitcoin then you can trade with leverage the products that we have
[2016-04-27 06:55:38] Nolukhanyo : Ok so if i deposit bitcoins how do you grow them
[2016-04-27 06:56:00] Nolukhanyo : Like how can i see that they are growing
[2016-04-27 06:56:13] BitMEX_Arthur : You will see an unrealised or realised profit
[2016-04-27 06:56:23] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/lesson1
[2016-04-27 06:56:30] BitMEX_Arthur : I recommend reading all 4 of these lessons
[2016-04-27 06:56:34] BitMEX_Arthur : they spell out the basics
[2016-04-27 06:57:32] Nolukhanyo : Ok Arthur i wil read them
[2016-04-27 08:15:23] jung1 : http://themerkle.com/close-to-94-of-24-hour-bitcoin-trading-volume-comes-from-china/
[2016-04-27 08:19:13] jung1 : Bitcoin: currency of the internet
[2016-04-27 08:19:19] jung1 : 94% volume from china
[2016-04-27 08:19:21] jung1 : hehe
[2016-04-27 08:50:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10000 @ 465.91
[2016-04-27 08:50:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 22800 @ 465.88 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-27 08:50:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 465.76
[2016-04-27 08:56:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 29545 @ 465.33 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-27 08:56:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 465.12
[2016-04-27 08:56:48] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-04-27 08:56:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 1000 @ 466.01
[2016-04-27 08:56:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 73 @ 465.17
[2016-04-27 08:56:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 155 @ 464.93
[2016-04-27 08:56:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 2000 @ 465.59
[2016-04-27 08:57:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 350 @ 464.39
[2016-04-27 08:57:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 6050 @ 464.38
[2016-04-27 09:30:46] jung1 : that trailing stops are awesome
[2016-04-27 09:30:49] jung1 : live long bitmex
[2016-04-27 09:35:03] arslan75 : just opened an long on btc
[2016-04-27 09:41:55] mrp1nk : short moar gooise
[2016-04-27 10:06:20] Samirum : mrp1nk:
[2016-04-27 10:35:51] mrp1nk : Samirum:
[2016-04-27 11:47:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.01624 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-27 11:56:01] rapidtrades : mrp1nk:
[2016-04-27 11:56:13] mrp1nk : rapidtrades:
[2016-04-27 11:56:17] rapidtrades : Samirum:
[2016-04-27 11:56:25] mrp1nk : whats up guys
[2016-04-27 11:56:51] mrp1nk : are you ready for the moon journey
[2016-04-27 11:56:53] mathewpk13 : just had a joint
[2016-04-27 11:57:00] mathewpk13 : yeah ready for the moon journey lol
[2016-04-27 11:57:06] mrp1nk : hehe
[2016-04-27 12:04:27] mrp1nk : ok, seems like someone shorting the 24h
[2016-04-27 12:05:16] jung1 : damn LISK has so much hype before launch
[2016-04-27 12:05:36] jung1 : wold be wild ride after release
[2016-04-27 12:05:47] rapidtrades : jung1: oh yeah?
[2016-04-27 12:08:47] jung1 : I think so
[2016-04-27 12:09:04] jung1 : we could start around $1 and go to even 7$
[2016-04-27 12:09:54] jung1 : never saw before so much hype in any altcoin
[2016-04-27 12:11:15] mathewpk13 : jung1: interesting. should be keeping an eye on it after it opens. might be a good trading opportunity
[2016-04-27 12:11:45] jung1 : 24th of may
[2016-04-27 12:12:17] mathewpk13 : jung1: (y)
[2016-04-27 12:14:02] jung1 : if it will hit $10 I can go for retire
[2016-04-27 12:16:15] rapidtrades : jung1: maybe we should add it here
[2016-04-27 12:16:21] rapidtrades : so i can short it like eth
[2016-04-27 12:16:33] jung1 : I think polo will add it
[2016-04-27 12:18:14] jung1 : trollbox protip: https://wallet.mycelium.com/elements/licenses.html
[2016-04-27 12:18:17] jung1 : Mycelium crowdale
[2016-04-27 12:18:24] rapidtrades : jung1: well if even polo doesn't add it, it will be shit
[2016-04-27 12:18:56] rapidtrades : i meant to say if even polo hasn't added it yet, its shit
[2016-04-27 12:21:19] jung1 : official release date is 24th may
[2016-04-27 12:21:33] jung1 : they collect 6mln$ in ico
[2016-04-27 12:21:55] jung1 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1346646 quite active btctalk thread
[2016-04-27 12:22:06] jung1 : ale really good concept
[2016-04-27 12:22:29] jung1 : like easier to use version of ethereum
[2016-04-27 12:33:22] sleger : you got new shitcoin to promote now ? not tired of losing all your money in the other ones yet?
[2016-04-27 12:36:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 463.25
[2016-04-27 12:36:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 100 @ 462.34
[2016-04-27 12:37:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 18400 @ 460.87 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-27 12:37:27] jung1 : nice dump
[2016-04-27 12:37:38] habibi : thx for all who let me to open 60k short just before :p
[2016-04-27 12:41:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 4550 @ 461.83
[2016-04-27 12:41:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 10000 @ 461.37
[2016-04-27 12:41:12] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-04-27 12:41:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 35000 @ 459.18 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-04-27 12:41:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 458.89
[2016-04-27 12:43:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 7000 @ 525.71
[2016-04-27 12:43:15] jung1 : ok now its official
[2016-04-27 12:43:16] jung1 : bitcoin is dead
[2016-04-27 12:43:49] krach : chop suey tofu
[2016-04-27 12:43:52] sleger : you're so funny shitcoin head
[2016-04-27 12:44:33] krach : blow futures 100x liquidatied 7000 @50103 kilo REKT
[2016-04-27 12:44:43] krach : ;)
[2016-04-27 12:46:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 1000 @ 459.54
[2016-04-27 12:46:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10000 @ 458.03
[2016-04-27 12:47:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 9424 @ 457.53
[2016-04-27 12:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 7500 @ 458.58
[2016-04-27 12:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 50 @ 458.31
[2016-04-27 12:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1500 @ 457.32
[2016-04-27 12:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 30 @ 457.74
[2016-04-27 12:47:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 200 @ 457.29
[2016-04-27 12:47:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 6630 @ 456.69
[2016-04-27 12:47:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 500 @ 521.96
[2016-04-27 12:47:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 455.23
[2016-04-27 12:47:56] tscha : lol
[2016-04-27 12:47:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 900 @ 521.23
[2016-04-27 12:48:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1150 @ 454.97
[2016-04-27 12:48:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 25 @ 454.04
[2016-04-27 12:48:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 5 @ 455.41
[2016-04-27 12:48:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 10 @ 452.99
[2016-04-27 12:48:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 12100 @ 453.20
[2016-04-27 12:48:59] jung1 : damn
[2016-04-27 12:49:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.01714
[2016-04-27 12:49:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 520 @ 450.58
[2016-04-27 12:49:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 46225 @ 450.19 **EPIC REKT** :unamused: :confounded: :astonished:
[2016-04-27 12:49:19] jung1 : habibi: you still keep that short?
[2016-04-27 12:49:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.01729
[2016-04-27 12:49:34] tscha : cryptowatch is like 2 minutes behind haha
[2016-04-27 12:49:48] tscha : funny as heck
[2016-04-27 12:49:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 153 @ 0.01734
[2016-04-27 12:49:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 2501 @ 619.38
[2016-04-27 12:50:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 15 @ 448.10
[2016-04-27 12:50:13] habibi : close msot of it
[2016-04-27 12:50:18] habibi : added at 460
[2016-04-27 12:50:20] habibi : as well
[2016-04-27 12:50:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5000 @ 0.01745
[2016-04-27 12:51:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 1700 @ 614.47
[2016-04-27 12:51:18] jung1 : I would not be mad if we will fall $20 more
[2016-04-27 12:54:26] j8 : holy moly liquidation on okc quarterly
[2016-04-27 12:55:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 110 @ 454.26
[2016-04-27 12:55:54] sleger : yes big 7k btc order
[2016-04-27 12:57:26] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/qfr8t masacre
[2016-04-27 13:00:28] jung1 : damn
[2016-04-27 13:00:40] Skyrik : lol how soon i can withdrawl my withgeld profit?
[2016-04-27 13:01:17] BombaUcigasa : An hour ago
[2016-04-27 13:01:19] rapidtrades : wth is happening
[2016-04-27 13:01:37] BitMEX_Wally : Skyrik: After settlement or rebalance
[2016-04-27 13:01:38] rapidtrades : btc-e crashed $12
[2016-04-27 13:01:51] BitMEX_Wally : Skyrik: So for XBT24H that is in 23 hours. The rest on Friday
[2016-04-27 13:01:58] Skyrik : BitMEX_Wally: thanks
[2016-04-27 13:04:47] rapidtrades : why did we crash
[2016-04-27 13:05:14] habibi : to clean up some fomo longs :)
[2016-04-27 13:05:14] sleger : markets learned you were long so they had to correct that
[2016-04-27 13:05:26] rapidtrades : im still long bish
[2016-04-27 13:05:35] habibi : too much contracts were opened at qrtyls
[2016-04-27 13:05:53] rapidtrades : $20 in 30 mins for no reason....that's bitcoin
[2016-04-27 13:06:14] rapidtrades : correction 20 mins
[2016-04-27 13:06:15] tscha : rapidtrades: no, that's you being long... if you want to price to go up, you gotta go short
[2016-04-27 13:07:07] sleger : BTC0624 10 2016-04-27 20:49:22 Close Short 100Cont $461.0 100Cont $460.52 BTC0624 10 2016-04-27 20:50:15 Close Short 100Cont $463.5 100Cont $463.5 BTC0624 10 2016-04-27 20:51:12 Close Short 500Cont $465.0 500Cont $464.83
[2016-04-27 13:07:11] sleger : oh yeah
[2016-04-27 13:07:14] rapidtrades : tscha: are u sure bish? cos ive been heavily long since $420
[2016-04-27 13:07:42] habibi : sleger manually closing or u put limit orders before?
[2016-04-27 13:08:05] sleger : no i put orders by hand few min ago
[2016-04-27 13:08:16] rapidtrades : u cant limit that size
[2016-04-27 13:08:22] sleger : yes you can of course
[2016-04-27 13:08:29] rapidtrades : maaybe with a bot
[2016-04-27 13:08:34] sleger : when markets move 500 is no issue
[2016-04-27 13:08:43] rapidtrades : oh yeah that too
[2016-04-27 13:09:10] sleger : even rest of the time i always put limit for 50-90 contracts and dont have issues
[2016-04-27 13:09:24] rapidtrades : sleger: rly? i can't fill that size
[2016-04-27 13:09:44] sleger : if you put your orders 5$ away from the market then its normal
[2016-04-27 13:09:51] sleger : try to put at the mid from time to time
[2016-04-27 13:10:12] rapidtrades : i put it at mid buddy...the bots only fill each other there
[2016-04-27 13:10:15] habibi : sleger so u basically tried to predict more or less liquidations price ?
[2016-04-27 13:10:36] sleger : no i waited for liq
[2016-04-27 13:16:15] habibi : its not instantly fill in? there is time to react? or bots are doing it for u?
[2016-04-27 13:19:08] rentchev : BitMEX_Wally: are you tehre?
[2016-04-27 13:19:10] sleger : bah no they put a limit order for liq
[2016-04-27 13:19:17] rentchev : somethign is wrong with my account
[2016-04-27 13:19:21] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: Hello
[2016-04-27 13:19:39] rentchev : I had a position in ETH
[2016-04-27 13:19:49] j8 : i saw 442 on okc weekly and by the time my close went through i got 446
[2016-04-27 13:19:49] rentchev : 750 at 0.01575 and a sell at 0.0165
[2016-04-27 13:20:17] rentchev : I also had a stop order at 0.0155
[2016-04-27 13:20:34] rentchev : I see my balance is gone
[2016-04-27 13:20:49] habibi : that means u got liquidated
[2016-04-27 13:20:55] habibi : see ya
[2016-04-27 13:20:58] rentchev : how?
[2016-04-27 13:21:11] BitMEX_Wally : I don't think you were liquidated
[2016-04-27 13:21:16] rentchev : I only had 750
[2016-04-27 13:21:24] BitMEX_Wally : You can see your trade history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-04-27 13:21:28] habibi : so why his ballance is gone?
[2016-04-27 13:22:25] rentchev : I didn't place this order 2016-04-27 05:50:51 ETH7D Buy 5000
[2016-04-27 13:22:33] BitMEX_Wally : His balance is not gone.
[2016-04-27 13:22:34] BitMEX_Wally : Do you mean position?
[2016-04-27 13:22:39] rentchev : when was this placed?
[2016-04-27 13:22:45] rentchev : I don't see a position either
[2016-04-27 13:22:56] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check
[2016-04-27 13:23:02] habibi : u were drunk, u were doing crazy positions, now its gone
[2016-04-27 13:23:19] rentchev : cmon habibi it's not funny
[2016-04-27 13:23:36] habibi : i know, i feel sorry deeply inside, for ur loss
[2016-04-27 13:25:21] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, it looks like your short position in ETH7D was liquidated
[2016-04-27 13:25:47] rentchev : but I only had a stop for 750 ETH
[2016-04-27 13:25:49] habibi : that's what i said Wally without inside user info :)
[2016-04-27 13:25:52] rentchev : which I had as long position
[2016-04-27 13:27:00] rentchev : BitMEX_Wally: can I call you?
[2016-04-27 13:27:09] BitMEX_Wally : It looks like you had some Stop orders to Sell (i.e. increase your position)?
[2016-04-27 13:27:10] j8 : take profit and stop both got hit?
[2016-04-27 13:27:56] rentchev : There was no order for 5000
[2016-04-27 13:28:53] BitMEX_Wally : You position reached its liquidation price and was taken over by the system
[2016-04-27 13:28:54] BitMEX_Wally : This is automatic
[2016-04-27 13:29:00] BitMEX_Wally : Whether you had a stop order or not
[2016-04-27 13:29:03] Skyrik : BitMEX_Wally: hey man can i withdrawl my btc if i confirmed it in 13:02?) pls i rly need it(
[2016-04-27 13:29:19] BitMEX_Wally : Skyrik: Unfortunately withdrawals have already been processed and broadcast
[2016-04-27 13:29:20] rentchev : BitMEX_Wally: I only had 750 ETH long
[2016-04-27 13:29:27] Skyrik : :(
[2016-04-27 13:29:30] rentchev : how can it be liquidated with 5000
[2016-04-27 13:29:35] rentchev : I don't understand
[2016-04-27 13:30:13] BitMEX_Wally : I see you were 750 long, but also had a stop order to sell 5000
[2016-04-27 13:30:59] rentchev : how can I put a stop for 5000 if I had 750
[2016-04-27 13:31:21] rentchev : when was this stop order added?
[2016-04-27 13:31:24] BitMEX_Wally : You can submit what ever orders you have the margin for
[2016-04-27 13:31:32] BitMEX_Wally : Your take profit order to sell 750 was executed
[2016-04-27 13:31:37] BitMEX_Wally : plus your stop sell order for 5000
[2016-04-27 13:32:07] BitMEX_Wally : The stop sell order was placed at 2016.04.27 03:51:02.542458000 UTC
[2016-04-27 13:32:13] BitMEX_Wally : It was triggered at 2016.04.27 04:50:05.068444000 UTC
[2016-04-27 13:32:46] BitMEX_Wally : Stopp order to sell 5000 when the markPrice dropped below 0.01588
[2016-04-27 13:33:05] BitMEX_Wally : It executed with an avg execution price of 0.0155809
[2016-04-27 13:33:16] rentchev : I did not place such an order
[2016-04-27 13:33:27] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, we will suspend your account while we go through the logs
[2016-04-27 13:33:36] rentchev : please
[2016-04-27 13:33:38] habibi : i did not have sexual relationship with that women
[2016-04-27 13:33:48] BitMEX_Wally : Did you intend to place a stop sell order for 500?
[2016-04-27 13:33:51] rentchev : do you also have the IPs from where the orders were placed
[2016-04-27 13:33:57] BitMEX_Wally : Yes one moment
[2016-04-27 13:33:59] rentchev : no for 750
[2016-04-27 13:34:05] rentchev : that was my long position
[2016-04-27 13:36:20] BitMEX_Wally : `162.*.*.* (Chrome 49, Mac OS) - "POST /api/v1/order {"symbol":"ETH7D","orderQty":-5000,"price":null,"stopPx":0.01588,"ordType":"StopMarket","execInst":"","text":"Submission from www.bitmex.com"}" 200 719b - 16.602 ms`
[2016-04-27 13:36:26] BitMEX_Wally : From the same IP address you are currently logged in as
[2016-04-27 13:37:00] habibi : 16.602 ms
[2016-04-27 13:37:02] habibi : nice ping bro
[2016-04-27 13:37:08] rentchev : stop was at 0.0154'
[2016-04-27 13:37:21] nip : cant imagine someone would maliciously place a stop order rather than a market order
[2016-04-27 13:37:21] BitMEX_Wally : I also see this stop: `162.*.*.* (Chrome 49, Windows) - "POST /api/v1/order {"symbol":"ETH7D","orderQty":-750,"price":null,"stopPx":0.0154,"ordType":"StopMarket","execInst":"","text":"Submission from www.bitmex.com"}" 200 715b - 15.176 ms`
[2016-04-27 13:37:38] rentchev : yes this one is my stop
[2016-04-27 13:37:54] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, both came from your IP address
[2016-04-27 13:38:21] rentchev : I don't understand
[2016-04-27 13:38:38] BitMEX_Wally : rentchev: Please email support@bitmex.com and I will send you full logs
[2016-04-27 13:39:08] rentchev : Thank you
[2016-04-27 13:39:30] rentchev : it must have been a mistake submittion by the automatic prefil
[2016-04-27 13:39:56] rentchev : it fills 5000 and then the price at the time was 0.01588
[2016-04-27 13:40:32] rentchev : was the 5000 order around the same time as the stop for 0.0154
[2016-04-27 13:41:27] habibi : using stop market orders in eth, where MM likes to go out for few minutes from time is a mistake imo
[2016-04-27 13:41:50] habibi : from time to time*
[2016-04-27 13:42:24] rentchev : I think I am finding this out now habibi
[2016-04-27 13:42:37] BitMEX_Wally : The stop was filled at 2016.04.27 04:50:05.068444000 UTC and then the position was liquidated at 2016.04.27 12:50:51.301656000 UTC
[2016-04-27 13:42:38] rentchev : but if the order was for the correct amount iI have no problem with that
[2016-04-27 13:42:53] habibi : i think it wasnt the case in ur example, just wanted to say it for the record
[2016-04-27 13:44:14] BitMEX_Wally : This is why we have that order confirmation box that pops up
[2016-04-27 13:44:37] BitMEX_Wally : It gives the order quantity, and the current/expected position if it executes
[2016-04-27 13:55:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 453.08
[2016-04-27 13:55:17] rapidtrades : god help us all
[2016-04-27 13:56:06] rapidtrades : oh eth up too....now i'm getting effed both ways
[2016-04-27 13:57:12] MeanReverter : nice getting dumped eh?
[2016-04-27 13:57:23] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: the 100x guy
[2016-04-27 13:57:34] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: how has things been going on for you
[2016-04-27 13:59:31] MeanReverter : excellent!
[2016-04-27 13:59:42] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: that's nice to hear bro
[2016-04-27 13:59:50] MeanReverter : High risk but high reward. Manage stops
[2016-04-27 14:00:08] MeanReverter : I trade futures in crude, equities
[2016-04-27 14:00:18] MeanReverter : bitcoin is childs play in comparison
[2016-04-27 14:00:22] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: Well experienced guy
[2016-04-27 14:00:28] mathewpk13 : (y)
[2016-04-27 14:00:29] MeanReverter : 10+years
[2016-04-27 14:00:55] MeanReverter : caught a nice crude play yesterday
[2016-04-27 14:01:00] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: what exactly is your strategy other than stops, if I may ask,
[2016-04-27 14:01:49] MeanReverter : I'm a classical chartist
[2016-04-27 14:01:57] MeanReverter : crude play from yesterday https://twitter.com/CoderTrader/status/724981961622622208
[2016-04-27 14:02:19] MeanReverter : couple hours later,...https://twitter.com/CoderTrader/status/725062409522544640
[2016-04-27 14:02:49] rapidtrades : yeah saw that one too
[2016-04-27 14:02:59] mathewpk13 : MeanReverter: nice play man
[2016-04-27 14:10:36] Cryptolicious : why is my liquidation price higher than my entry price on xbtu16
[2016-04-27 14:11:10] rapidtrades : Cryptolicious: cos ur short dummy
[2016-04-27 14:11:24] Cryptolicious : no im long
[2016-04-27 14:11:32] rapidtrades : nah
[2016-04-27 14:11:51] Cryptolicious : my entry price is 523
[2016-04-27 14:11:54] Cryptolicious : liquidation 543
[2016-04-27 14:12:05] nip : you withdrew or lost money somewhere else
[2016-04-27 14:12:07] BitMEX_Wally : Cryptolicious: This is due to the weekly rebalance
[2016-04-27 14:12:50] BitMEX_Wally : XBTU16 was rebalanced at 558.82 last Friday
[2016-04-27 14:13:03] BitMEX_Wally : So the profit between 523 and 558.82 was unlocked
[2016-04-27 14:13:15] Cryptolicious : I didn't take profit
[2016-04-27 14:13:46] BitMEX_Wally : Every Friday all unrealised profit is realised and moved to your wallet
[2016-04-27 14:14:18] Cryptolicious : i thought settlemnet wasn't until Sep 30
[2016-04-27 14:14:38] BitMEX_Wally : The position stays open, but the PNL is realised
[2016-04-27 14:14:49] BitMEX_Wally : You can leave it on the position, or you can re-adjust the leverage
[2016-04-27 14:17:21] BitMEX_Wally : So your liquidation price before and after the rebalancing was 493.4
[2016-04-27 14:17:32] BitMEX_Wally : But today you adjusted the position from 15x to 25x so it reset the liquidation price
[2016-04-27 14:18:04] Cryptolicious : ok
[2016-04-27 14:25:53] dorothy490 : omggg
[2016-04-27 14:26:21] dorothy490 : trailing stop order do not getting cancelled automatically after "parent" order closed
[2016-04-27 14:26:46] dorothy490 : that UTTERLY flawed setup
[2016-04-27 14:28:17] dorothy490 : I got big contract opened due of that which I never wanted to haev
[2016-04-27 14:28:42] dorothy490 : especally considering it was excecuted on market, hence fees
[2016-04-27 14:34:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 250 @ 0.01756
[2016-04-27 14:38:57] Cryptolicious : BitMEX_Wally what was the profit adjustment on XBTU16 last week
[2016-04-27 14:40:08] mrp1nk : dorothy490: that is really shit. i already went short two times without wanting it only i was too slow to remove the stoploss
[2016-04-27 14:40:16] mrp1nk : +because
[2016-04-27 14:40:19] j8 : 0% for many weeks @Cryptolicious
[2016-04-27 14:40:33] Cryptolicious : is there a history?
[2016-04-27 14:40:40] j8 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-04-27 14:40:43] Cryptolicious : ok thanks
[2016-04-27 14:41:07] mrp1nk : there should be a logic that removes the stop when the order is closed manually
[2016-04-27 14:41:47] mrp1nk : imo
[2016-04-27 14:41:52] dorothy490 : indeed there should be
[2016-04-27 14:41:58] BitMEX_Sam : That's called an OCO order, which is a different thing
[2016-04-27 14:42:01] dorothy490 : its basically standard
[2016-04-27 14:42:07] BitMEX_Sam : There's not a way for the system to know which order it should close if you execute a stop
[2016-04-27 14:42:12] BitMEX_Sam : You would have to tell it.
[2016-04-27 14:42:29] j8 : i think the word stop kind of implies that it will only reduce a position. not sure if that's technically true but it seems to confuse a lot of people
[2016-04-27 14:42:29] dorothy490 : no man, all "forex" platforms have this intuitive trailing stop
[2016-04-27 14:42:47] dorothy490 : lots of people get burnt like me and will call you scam
[2016-04-27 14:43:16] BitMEX_Sam : Don't expect that the platform will do things that it doesn't say it will do. Orders are not linked to one other.
[2016-04-27 14:43:44] mrp1nk : what i mean: if you have a position with x contracts and a stop limit sell order in place of amount x, then it should be removed if you close the position by buying/selling x contracts.
[2016-04-27 14:44:13] mrp1nk : this happens wenn you do a close market if i remember correctly
[2016-04-27 14:44:18] Cryptolicious : j8, do you think there could be a significant adjustment in the future
[2016-04-27 14:44:20] BitMEX_Sam : It does not.
[2016-04-27 14:44:52] mrp1nk : then it should imo. should be easy to implement
[2016-04-27 14:46:02] j8 : Cryptolicious: it's always a risk, the system is sort of biased to have 0% almost all the time, but at the risk of having a large clawback in extreme situations
[2016-04-27 14:46:20] j8 : that said there is the insurance fund which has been growing
[2016-04-27 14:46:29] Cryptolicious : what do you mean by clawback
[2016-04-27 14:46:49] j8 : DPE, clawback, profit adjustment
[2016-04-27 14:47:19] mrp1nk : don't see the point of why you should have a sell stop without beeing in a position, except one wants to trade the breakout automatically. The latter case could be handled differently. @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 14:47:49] Cryptolicious : j8 so if bitcoin mooned that would probably happen
[2016-04-27 14:47:57] BitMEX_Sam : I apologize mrp1nk, I'm mistaken, Close Limit / Close Market does indeed close all other open orders in that symbol.
[2016-04-27 14:48:47] Cryptolicious : no?
[2016-04-27 14:49:06] mrp1nk : yeah, i was almost sure that it does this. @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 14:49:25] j8 : Cryptolicious: yeah a big move up could do it on the long term futures, since the premium could expand quickly... but generally i would think the risk is worse on a big move down
[2016-04-27 14:49:33] mrp1nk : so the behaviour i described above would also make sense @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 14:50:46] BitMEX_Sam : Yes - we're discussing something like a `StopClose` order that could do this logic. We also have OCO in the API, when it makes it to the UI it will also make these kinds of compound orders possible.
[2016-04-27 14:51:21] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: nice! happy to see that these features are finally implemented.
[2016-04-27 14:52:04] mrp1nk : btw. is there something like a CLI that provides access to the full api. i'm too lazy to program it by myself tbh.
[2016-04-27 14:52:42] BitMEX_Sam : There is a large repository of programming tools for our API at https://github.com/bitmex/api-connectors
[2016-04-27 14:53:10] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: ok, thx! i will have a look on it
[2016-04-27 14:54:08] cengel : Don't forget to use my mIRC plugin if you would like to execute orders from there :) :bitmex:
[2016-04-27 14:55:13] mrp1nk : cengel: cool thx, too!
[2016-04-27 14:58:48] Cryptolicious : and j8 there's always the risk of a judas spike down to liquidate people
[2016-04-27 15:00:18] j8 : exactly, i think the price could go to 650 with no DPE, then have big DPE on a dump to 550
[2016-04-27 15:01:05] hedgehog0223 : how can I automate my trading? I'm not at home at 14:00 usually and I need to put orders at that time
[2016-04-27 15:03:26] cengel : @hedgehog023 you want to be able to make orders on XBT24H after new contract?
[2016-04-27 15:04:23] hedgehog0223 : yes, exactly. to 'be in position' countinously
[2016-04-27 15:04:58] habibi : use 48 roll maybe
[2016-04-27 15:05:11] hedgehog0223 : kina like rolling yeah, but it doesnt work with my strategy :(
[2016-04-27 15:05:44] cengel : Not sure, would be nice if one could have setting on limit orders of XBT24H which do not clear them upon new contract. Something like a check box to say 'keep alive'
[2016-04-27 15:06:06] hedgehog0223 : Yes, I would need that
[2016-04-27 15:06:14] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: We support this at the account level
[2016-04-27 15:06:31] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: If we flag your account as 'MarketMaker' then orders will be left open during relisting
[2016-04-27 15:06:58] cengel : Sounds las though mr. hedgehog would like this
[2016-04-27 15:07:21] hedgehog0223 : but I'm not really a market maker
[2016-04-27 15:08:00] cengel : maybe if you ask Wally nice he'll do it for you anyway :P
[2016-04-27 15:09:20] hedgehog0223 : BitMEX_Wally: so if you mark my account as market maker, my stop orders won't disappear if they dont get fulfilled till next settlement?
[2016-04-27 15:11:49] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: can u set it to non actual market makers?
[2016-04-27 15:12:23] BitMEX_Wally : If you are flagged as a MarketMaker it used to affect fees, but not any more
[2016-04-27 15:12:27] hedgehog0223 : where can I see my 'acount leve' ?
[2016-04-27 15:12:38] hedgehog0223 : l
[2016-04-27 15:12:45] BitMEX_Wally : If you are flagged as a MarketMaker and have a position and a stop order, then after XBT24H settles and re-lists the position will be gone but the stop order will remain...
[2016-04-27 15:13:36] cengel : In effect the flag is just a 'keep alive' switch for open orders then?
[2016-04-27 15:13:48] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-04-27 15:13:56] BitMEX_Wally : Anyone who would like this flag please email support@bitmex.com
[2016-04-27 15:13:57] hedgehog0223 : It's good
[2016-04-27 15:14:12] hedgehog0223 : could you please set it for me?
[2016-04-27 15:14:23] BitMEX_Wally : hedgehog0223: via email, yes :P
[2016-04-27 15:14:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 8174 @ 457.45
[2016-04-27 15:14:33] hedgehog0223 : okay
[2016-04-27 15:14:39] habibi : thanks a lot
[2016-04-27 15:15:09] BitMEX_Wally : Oh, the other difference is that cross margin is enabled by default for MarketMaker, but that's true anyway on BitMEX these days
[2016-04-27 15:15:55] BitMEX_Wally : Before we had the leverage slider non-market maker accounts would default to isolated margin, but now everyone defaults to Cross
[2016-04-27 15:16:21] habibi : btw, market order is still default one ?
[2016-04-27 15:16:45] hedgehog0223 : what is that mean? how much leverage will I get?
[2016-04-27 15:16:49] BitMEX_Wally : It's just a default when trading a new symbol
[2016-04-27 15:16:59] BitMEX_Wally : So there will be no change
[2016-04-27 15:17:15] habibi : easy to spot "new guys" then :)
[2016-04-27 15:17:26] BitMEX_Wally : We remember your leverage settings per symbol
[2016-04-27 15:17:42] Martinos : is there a button the change from isolated margin to mixed?
[2016-04-27 15:20:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 800 @ 455.10
[2016-04-27 15:20:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3300 @ 455.53
[2016-04-27 15:21:01] BitMEX_Wally : Martinos: There is a leverage slider on the side bar
[2016-04-27 15:21:33] BitMEX_Wally : You can drag that from 100x (isolated) to Cross (not isolated)
[2016-04-27 15:21:41] hedgehog0223 : I sent an email
[2016-04-27 15:21:45] Martinos : oh isee
[2016-04-27 15:22:04] hedgehog0223 : BitMEX_Wally:
[2016-04-27 15:22:08] Martinos : thanks
[2016-04-27 15:24:30] BitMEX_Wally : hedgehog0223: Got the email and your account is updated
[2016-04-27 15:24:41] hedgehog0223 : Thank you!
[2016-04-27 15:25:37] hedgehog0223 : can I see somwhere in my account that I'm flagged ?
[2016-04-27 15:26:31] BitMEX_Wally : via the API
[2016-04-27 15:28:42] BitMEX_Wally : Actually, not sure. You'll have to ask BitMEX_Sam
[2016-04-27 15:29:21] BitMEX_Wally : Basically if you have an order in XBT24H and after 12:00 UTC it is canceled with the message "Instrument expired" then you do not have the flag
[2016-04-27 15:31:38] hedgehog0223 : I understand
[2016-04-27 15:32:14] hedgehog0223 : but from now on I can use XBT48H for rolling with a stop as well
[2016-04-27 15:32:59] hedgehog0223 : because that was my problem: Instrument expired
[2016-04-27 15:33:29] j8 : seems it would make more sense to move orders on XBT48H to XBT24H with that flag
[2016-04-27 15:34:05] hedgehog0223 : yes that's what I'd like to do
[2016-04-27 15:34:13] nip : theres no reason to cancel 48h orders
[2016-04-27 15:37:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 454.04
[2016-04-27 15:38:35] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we thought about moving XBT48H orders to XBT24H but decided against it due to the complexity of amending the symbol on an open order. Once we have the non-expiring `XBTUSD` this won't be a problem anymore
[2016-04-27 15:40:47] mrp1nk : the feeling when you get stopped out and filled above your limit price ....
[2016-04-27 15:41:29] mrp1nk : feels scammy
[2016-04-27 15:43:42] BitMEX_Wally : mrp1nk: Stop orders are triggered based on the mark price
[2016-04-27 15:44:19] mrp1nk : yeah i know... is there any place where i can see the market price over time?
[2016-04-27 15:45:17] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2016-04-27 15:46:26] mrp1nk : ok, thx
[2016-04-27 15:46:42] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price dropped to 454.50 and then your stop triggered an hit the bid at 454.91
[2016-04-27 15:47:19] mrp1nk : ok, sorry, i just was looking at the order book
[2016-04-27 15:47:58] BitMEX_Wally : No worries, I'm heading out now, cya all.
[2016-04-27 15:49:22] mathewpk13 : BitMEX_Wally: okay bro
[2016-04-27 15:51:15] mrp1nk : till now i assumed that the market price is the mean of the ask/bid price - lol
[2016-04-27 16:36:04] dannybreal : hello, new here , sry , how can I close my trade?
[2016-04-27 16:37:42] habibi : do the opposite trade to ur position
[2016-04-27 16:39:19] dannybreal : ok, think i managed to make a 7% ROI on my first trade :)
[2016-04-27 16:39:53] habibi : shiet, that awsome dude
[2016-04-27 16:40:42] daveberns1 : lol