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[2016-04-16 00:47:32] 1QaZxSw2 : ah, i see.... its from another exchange
[2016-04-16 00:47:46] 1QaZxSw2 : why not use last trade from bitmex itself?
[2016-04-16 00:47:54] 1QaZxSw2 : this is a real exchange after all
[2016-04-16 00:48:27] habibi : many reason i guess, best one is it would be so easy to manipulate
[2016-04-16 00:49:00] 1QaZxSw2 : bitmex price would be easy to manipulate just before settlement?
[2016-04-16 00:49:17] 1QaZxSw2 : i.e. i guess a whale could just dump a bunch of market orders?
[2016-04-16 00:49:24] habibi : mark price is for liquidations as well.
[2016-04-16 00:49:51] 1QaZxSw2 : I'm new here, thanks for helping this noob
[2016-04-16 00:50:16] 1QaZxSw2 : so how do liquidations work? your account is just cleaned out of all funds?
[2016-04-16 00:50:46] habibi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq tons of usefull information
[2016-04-16 00:51:08] 1QaZxSw2 : thanks, i'll read it
[2016-04-16 00:57:11] 1QaZxSw2 : so if I'm at a slight loss, my entire pledged margin is lost and some of it is moved to the insurance fund?
[2016-04-16 00:59:51] 1QaZxSw2 : man, this is so different from CME
[2016-04-16 01:00:30] 1QaZxSw2 : but i guess this is the point of fintech, to innovate
[2016-04-16 03:38:54] wildc : how did my 3 short eth contracts get liqudated if it didnt even hit the liq price just now
[2016-04-16 03:40:34] wildc : i says TH7D has reached its liquidation price of 0.01912 (and above) does it go by bitmexs number or polos?
[2016-04-16 03:40:35] 1QaZxSw2 : what was your liq price
[2016-04-16 03:41:32] 1QaZxSw2 : the price has been below 1900 for hours
[2016-04-16 03:41:52] 1QaZxSw2 : i dunno man, could be a bug in their engine. let them know
[2016-04-16 03:42:01] wildc : i know it didnt hit it but i got liquadated?
[2016-04-16 03:42:32] 1QaZxSw2 : so under open positions what does it show
[2016-04-16 03:43:08] wildc : i dont have any open, its liq
[2016-04-16 03:43:34] wildc : oh i opened at .01874
[2016-04-16 03:43:48] wildc : i mean 1875
[2016-04-16 03:44:18] 1QaZxSw2 : so everything is ok?
[2016-04-16 03:44:52] miramm1115 : wildc: liquidation are done based on mark price, which is polo price for ETH7D
[2016-04-16 03:45:15] 1QaZxSw2 : ah, right .... and the chart shows bitmex price
[2016-04-16 03:45:31] miramm1115 : yep, the chart shows bitmex trades
[2016-04-16 03:45:56] 1QaZxSw2 : so this is crazy.... i trade the chart of a different exchange. so why even show bitmex chart
[2016-04-16 03:46:31] wildc : ah i see i was using the chart on here
[2016-04-16 03:46:39] miramm1115 : I'm not using bitmex charts but I think it can show mark price as well
[2016-04-16 03:47:15] wildc : thats confusingi thought the chart on here was the same as polo
[2016-04-16 03:47:16] 1QaZxSw2 : is there any futures exchange where you don't trade the price off a different exchange? its kinda confusing
[2016-04-16 03:49:26] miramm1115 : it's done to avoid manipulation on bitmex, it's very easy to cause cascading liquidations if last trade is used
[2016-04-16 03:49:31] wildc : wait but the messaeg i got was TH7D has reached its liquidation price of 0.01912 (and above)
[2016-04-16 03:49:54] wildc : eth7d is polol chart?
[2016-04-16 03:50:58] miramm1115 : eth7d is using polo price for liquidations, the chart on bitmex shows trades on bitmex. i think it can show polo price (mark price) as well
[2016-04-16 03:51:57] miramm1115 : confusing but better than the alternative
[2016-04-16 03:54:13] wildc : glad i only did a few in there
[2016-04-16 03:58:03] 1QaZxSw2 : yea, i know what u mean
[2016-04-16 03:58:43] 1QaZxSw2 : i won't have confidence to trade big until the liquidation, clawback, socialized losses and other innovations on crypto exchanges are solved
[2016-04-16 03:59:12] 1QaZxSw2 : hell when i trade, i expect pnl = exit price-entry price
[2016-04-16 03:59:52] 1QaZxSw2 : because the other party had a small margin
[2016-04-16 04:00:33] 1QaZxSw2 : why should i pay?
[2016-04-16 04:00:49] 1QaZxSw2 : am i the only one who thinks like this? you guys happy with the situation?
[2016-04-16 04:10:27] miramm1115 : socialized losses is the other side of high leverage on volatile asset
[2016-04-16 04:11:20] miramm1115 : there are no socialized losses on many spot exchanges but leverage is limited to 5x
[2016-04-16 04:12:53] miramm1115 : bitmex has been very good regarding socialized losses, last day with DPE clawback was in Dec as far as I remember
[2016-04-16 04:13:51] miramm1115 : if there is no DPE, your PNL is always the diff of exit and entry price minus fees
[2016-04-16 04:14:22] miramm1115 : just don't use max leverage or you'll get liquidated by small moves in price
[2016-04-16 04:15:39] 1QaZxSw2 : ok, thanks for your perspectiv
[2016-04-16 04:17:41] miramm1115 : I've been trading crypto since 2014, exchanges are much better now and bitmex is one of the best IMHO
[2016-04-16 04:18:06] 1QaZxSw2 : ya, i like the layout and everything is responsive
[2016-04-16 04:19:09] miramm1115 : if you switch to advanced layout you can move panel around
[2016-04-16 04:19:17] miramm1115 : *all panels
[2016-04-16 04:19:19] 1QaZxSw2 : yes i use it
[2016-04-16 04:58:19] 1QaZxSw2 : its still bizarre to see bia/ask at 1906/1890 and mark price at 1912
[2016-04-16 04:58:30] 1QaZxSw2 : its like there is no relation.
[2016-04-16 05:11:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 15 @ 431.25
[2016-04-16 05:32:55] 1QaZxSw2 : what was ur lev?
[2016-04-16 06:08:36] miramm1115 : 1QaZxSw2: prob 100x
[2016-04-16 06:23:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 550 @ 432.19
[2016-04-16 06:57:37] 1QaZxSw2 : people love 100x
[2016-04-16 07:44:00] Luisvaldez : Help sell put into my rush card
[2016-04-16 09:03:37] 1QaZxSw2 : etc is gonna sink to 1700
[2016-04-16 09:03:42] 1QaZxSw2 : *eth
[2016-04-16 09:03:47] 1QaZxSw2 : damn autocorrect
[2016-04-16 10:02:02] mrp1nk : short moar guise
[2016-04-16 11:00:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 800 @ 431.43
[2016-04-16 12:11:54] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: are you alive?
[2016-04-16 12:49:55] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: sometimes recent trades tab doesnt update at all, dont know if its only after i do order or not tho, will keep eye on it anyway
[2016-04-16 13:22:11] rentchev : making the market right now on XBT7D :-)
[2016-04-16 13:22:27] rentchev : should apply for market maker he he
[2016-04-16 16:19:11] nip : the blockchain transactions with these bmex addresses are huge sometimes
[2016-04-16 16:19:27] nip : wont confirm because some other user made a bunch of small deposits
[2016-04-16 16:20:49] j8 : they're multisig, which increases the size.. can't be cheap on fees
[2016-04-16 16:21:16] nip : i have no control over how many inputs
[2016-04-16 16:22:21] j8 : no, but best case scenario is still bigger than some people are used to... 0.0001 doesn't cut it in this day and age
[2016-04-16 16:24:53] nip : blocks arent full
[2016-04-16 16:26:06] habibi : should get cheaper with SW fork
[2016-04-16 16:26:26] habibi : or just lighter
[2016-04-16 16:27:05] nip : its the transaction size i'd need about 0.002 in fee
[2016-04-16 16:30:32] j8 : that is quite large.. i've always gotten in the first block with 0.0005 and i've seen some with 10+ inputs
[2016-04-16 17:16:03] mrp1nk : some hopium for the ETH believer
[2016-04-16 17:16:29] mrp1nk : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4f2gtq/okcoin_might_be_currently_testing_eth_trading/
[2016-04-16 17:17:19] mrp1nk : https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4f2gtq/ok coin_might_be_currently_testing_eth_trading/
[2016-04-16 17:20:55] mrp1nk : buy the rumor, sell the news. thank me later ;-)
[2016-04-16 17:23:01] mrp1nk : its not confirmed yet that's true, but hey, who cares
[2016-04-16 17:24:28] mrp1nk : *that it is
[2016-04-16 17:30:34] habibi : yep but sth is up
[2016-04-16 17:44:33] sleger : eth not sth
[2016-04-16 18:17:46] mrp1nk : wtf,was just stopped out out of nowhere
[2016-04-16 18:21:43] sleger : we didnt see any REKT message though :(
[2016-04-16 18:53:52] 1QaZxSw2 : mrp1nk did you have a stop order or do you mean you were liquidated
[2016-04-16 19:04:06] splash : sleger: HELLO! :D :D :D
[2016-04-16 19:04:17] splash : sleger: i really been missing u!
[2016-04-16 19:04:28] sleger : why ?
[2016-04-16 20:00:25] podizzle3k : damn someone desperate as hell to get out of ETH
[2016-04-16 20:00:30] podizzle3k : 190?
[2016-04-16 20:01:25] podizzle3k : thats like 75% loss as opposed to selling at fair price
[2016-04-16 22:04:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1200 @ 432.07
[2016-04-16 23:24:31] nip : My withdrawal has not been relayed to many nodes. Is there anything that can be done to broadcast it further?
[2016-04-16 23:24:43] nip : it only shows up on some blockchain explorers
[2016-04-16 23:34:47] habibi : if u have signed tx u can broadcast it
[2016-04-16 23:37:08] habibi : so basically go to https://blockchain.info/tx/URTXID?format=hex copy and paste it here for example https://blockchain.info/pushtx
[2016-04-16 23:42:54] nip : thanks. i tried with several such services well see if it works
[2016-04-16 23:43:25] habibi : but ur tx didnt get confirmation right?
[2016-04-16 23:48:01] sleger : stop being cheap and pay a real fee maybe ? @nip
[2016-04-17 00:18:58] nip : sleger: no way to know the transaction size when requesting
[2016-04-17 00:20:54] sleger : did you reduce the default fee ? @nip
[2016-04-17 00:22:47] sleger : if you did it means you didnt want to pay 0.2$ for your transaction so my previous comment is valid
[2016-04-17 00:23:11] sleger : if not I am surprised it didnt go through quickly. Which is it ?
[2016-04-17 01:10:49] podizzle : sam i was talking with some people and we think there should be another column in open positions called 'unbalanced PNL' so that way we could tell our performance on that trade without having to do calculations
[2016-04-17 01:13:28] prospecta : podizzle seems like a troll
[2016-04-17 01:13:42] prospecta : who are these "some people"
[2016-04-17 01:15:14] sleger : him and his puppets ? also who cant do simple excel maths in 2016 ?
[2016-04-17 01:19:13] prospecta : ouch
[2016-04-17 01:19:52] prospecta : sleger are you on of those people who get rekt all day so abuse the trollbox?
[2016-04-17 01:20:01] prospecta : *one
[2016-04-17 01:20:48] sleger : never got rekt
[2016-04-17 01:21:11] sleger : i run cross margin
[2016-04-17 01:21:33] prospecta : im looking at your screen right now. you liar.
[2016-04-17 01:22:23] sleger : if your balance has less than 3 digits please stay behind look but stop chatting
[2016-04-17 01:22:44] sleger : (not counting the digits after the "." obviously)
[2016-04-17 01:23:12] prospecta : big noting on a troll box is a sure sign of a broke ass
[2016-04-17 01:23:59] sleger : dude how long you've been here be careful what youre saying, or put your $$ where your mouth is, wanna bet ?
[2016-04-17 01:24:06] habibi : two types of people here: ones who use cross and stay here for longer, and isolated ones that have shorter life, basically sooner or sooner will get rekt on it
[2016-04-17 01:24:24] prospecta : sleger: i bought $3 bitcoin thats how long ive been here.
[2016-04-17 01:24:38] sleger : oh yeah big time baller i see lol
[2016-04-17 01:25:10] sleger : 3$ of bitcoin you're wasting your time
[2016-04-17 01:25:39] prospecta : back in my day we called 100 btc half a satoshi dice bet
[2016-04-17 01:25:49] prospecta : i bought bitcoin at $3 you retard
[2016-04-17 01:26:02] prospecta : lrn 2 read
[2016-04-17 01:26:17] sleger : ok and how many btc you still hold ?
[2016-04-17 01:26:19] habibi : prospecta: blockchain proof that u kept it till these days :)?
[2016-04-17 01:26:23] sleger : lrn = learn ?
[2016-04-17 01:26:31] prospecta : lrn2rd
[2016-04-17 01:26:45] sleger : are you texting or cant type vowels ?
[2016-04-17 01:27:03] prospecta : you seem somewhat unfamiliar with the internet.
[2016-04-17 01:27:22] prospecta : probably why you bought bitcoin at $800
[2016-04-17 01:27:24] sleger : you didnt answer the question
[2016-04-17 01:27:28] sleger : how many btc ?
[2016-04-17 01:28:05] prospecta : i have no desire to impress you. its you who needs to impress me. the stuff im digging up on your right now is hilarious.
[2016-04-17 01:28:09] sleger : did you lose them all to me gambling ?
[2016-04-17 01:29:35] prospecta : oh this is great. just wait.
[2016-04-17 01:29:40] sleger : proove something, put a 900k order at 431 bid on xbt24h
[2016-04-17 01:30:01] prospecta : no im having too much fun with you right now.
[2016-04-17 01:30:20] sleger : look at the OrderBook
[2016-04-17 01:30:26] prospecta : you type shit on the internet it stays there forever man.
[2016-04-17 01:30:29] prospecta : didnt you know that
[2016-04-17 01:30:30] sleger : that one is mine
[2016-04-17 01:30:45] prospecta : "look at the orderbook" doesnt specify orderbook. nicve try kid.
[2016-04-17 01:30:57] sleger : xbt24h
[2016-04-17 01:31:00] sleger : still there
[2016-04-17 01:31:11] sleger : bid 900k at 430
[2016-04-17 01:31:31] prospecta : my browser doesnt support that orderbook i cant view
[2016-04-17 01:31:36] prospecta : sorry pal
[2016-04-17 01:31:43] habibi : i am in front sleger! :)
[2016-04-17 01:31:57] sleger : habibi: not 900k
[2016-04-17 01:32:03] habibi : i know :)
[2016-04-17 01:32:34] sleger : one only needs 45btc to put a 900k order so clearly prospecta talks much but doesnt own shit
[2016-04-17 01:33:02] prospecta : youre a little slow arent you.
[2016-04-17 01:33:07] habibi : ofc he doesnt, u getting involved too much by some trolls
[2016-04-17 01:33:20] prospecta : habibi = smart
[2016-04-17 01:33:23] prospecta : sleger = dumb
[2016-04-17 01:33:35] sleger : just exposing them, he had a chance to proove something, he failed
[2016-04-17 01:33:38] sleger : he is just a troll
[2016-04-17 01:33:42] prospecta : hahaha
[2016-04-17 01:33:45] prospecta : omg really?
[2016-04-17 01:33:45] sleger : with tiny bitcoin
[2016-04-17 01:34:40] prospecta : when do the adults chat?
[2016-04-17 01:34:59] sleger : when babies like you are in bed
[2016-04-17 01:35:02] habibi : he can't, he probally dont have more than 1-3 btcs, most people coming here are coming coz of 100x, these types of people doesnt have tons of btcs
[2016-04-17 01:36:08] sleger : but they dont need to pretend either, poor them
[2016-04-17 01:36:22] sleger : prospecta: I feel sorry for you, sincerely
[2016-04-17 01:36:38] prospecta : are you two really pulling each others dicks because you have 45 btc hahaha
[2016-04-17 01:36:45] prospecta : worst trollbox ever
[2016-04-17 01:36:52] habibi : go polo then, please :)
[2016-04-17 01:37:03] sleger : atually he showed he had 10 btc not 45
[2016-04-17 01:37:10] sleger : and you showed.... nothing
[2016-04-17 01:39:05] prospecta : oh my mistake, pulling each others dicks over 10 btc
[2016-04-17 01:44:25] micmix : sleger is the only trollbox whale here. we had another guy who was getting rekt 20k+ couple times per week but he's gone now
[2016-04-17 01:45:03] sleger : micmix: hey did you make orders on fix on futures on 0kc ?
[2016-04-17 01:46:10] prospecta : im pretty sure i have a 30k contract rekking in my history somewhere, during the $500 run
[2016-04-17 01:47:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.02029
[2016-04-17 01:47:45] micmix : working on it now. btw they changed marketdatasnapshot msg for futures orderbooks. they were sending top 20 asks/bids, now the send diffs
[2016-04-17 01:48:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 3 @ 0.02031 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-17 01:50:58] sleger : micmix: hmm i used to get one snapshot then diffs
[2016-04-17 01:52:13] nip : interesting. after rebroadcasting the transaction manually i got confirmed quickly
[2016-04-17 01:52:31] nip : about 12 hours after bitmex broadcast it
[2016-04-17 01:53:18] nip : guess it was a matter of which nodes it was sent to. some dont seem to like nonstandard transactions
[2016-04-17 01:54:35] micmix : sleger: I was using MDUpdateType(MDUpdateType.FULL_REFRESH), now it works the same as INCREMENTAL_REFRESH
[2016-04-17 01:55:02] micmix : if you used INCREMENTAL_REFRESH you don't have to change anything
[2016-04-17 01:55:20] sleger : micmix: you're right they changed something in the past 24h
[2016-04-17 01:55:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1029 @ 0.02040
[2016-04-17 02:00:42] micmix : sleger: yeah I've got a text that the market data feed is busted when I was on the farmers market :-)
[2016-04-17 02:06:00] sleger : guess I'll just wait till it's stable, seems like waste of time now
[2016-04-17 02:07:11] Cryptolicious : Why are the orders here lower than on polo?
[2016-04-17 02:07:13] Cryptolicious : for eth
[2016-04-17 02:13:44] micmix : sleger: yeah, they keep changing it, it's annoying. but fix feed has been running for two weeks with no disconnects, websocket feed disconnects several times per day and takes over 30 seconds to re-connect sometimes
[2016-04-17 02:16:42] sleger : if they could provide a fix sample code that works it would be ok but thats not the case
[2016-04-17 02:19:32] micmix : anyway, I'll let you know if I get orders working
[2016-04-17 02:55:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 85 @ 0.02053
[2016-04-17 02:59:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 130 @ 0.02089
[2016-04-17 02:59:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 200 @ 0.02081
[2016-04-17 02:59:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 710 @ 0.02090
[2016-04-17 03:11:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 233 @ 0.02126
[2016-04-17 03:12:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 291 @ 0.02139
[2016-04-17 04:31:18] laisee : shorts stuffed ...
[2016-04-17 04:46:27] 1QaZxSw2 : shorts lost their shorts and are now exposed
[2016-04-17 05:14:09] rapidtrades : so i completely forgot that my eth short expired on friday...busy
[2016-04-17 05:14:43] rapidtrades : site's lagging as shit btw
[2016-04-17 05:14:49] rapidtrades : and i got to re-enter at a better price kekeke
[2016-04-17 05:16:18] rapidtrades : i said that last one before the lagging shit commnet....f site sucks
[2016-04-17 05:41:04] stevelim : Is it now time for long to get stuffed?
[2016-04-17 05:42:21] rapidtrades : btw lag looks to be my connection, not bitmex for once
[2016-04-17 06:24:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.02060
[2016-04-17 06:47:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 155 @ 0.02050
[2016-04-17 07:44:12] BitMEX_Wally : prospecta: The positions API gives `rebalancedPnl` and `realisedPnl` and `unrealisedPnl` separately. At the moment `rebalancedPnl+realisedPnl` is shown on the frontend as 'Realised PNL'. You want a way to see the raw 'realisedPnl' for this week?
[2016-04-17 10:30:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 9736 @ 429.05
[2016-04-17 10:57:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 428.85
[2016-04-17 11:34:54] odarn : hi guys! where can i find the demo version for learning?
[2016-04-17 11:40:49] j8 : odarn: testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-04-17 11:41:50] j8 : https://testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-04-17 11:43:08] odarn : j8: thank you !
[2016-04-17 11:43:18] j8 : np
[2016-04-17 11:59:06] odarn : j8: do i have to fund the demo? sorry im new and really interested to learn.
[2016-04-17 12:00:12] j8 : odarn: yeah you can use a testnet faucet, there's some listed on the deposit page
[2016-04-17 12:00:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 428.93
[2016-04-17 12:05:41] odarn : j8: ok ive done the deposit now from faucet, do i have to wait for comfirmation like a really transaction when transfering bitcoin to other wallet?
[2016-04-17 12:07:51] j8 : yeah, it works pretty much exactly like the production site, including deposits and withdrawals, and they test new features there so there's a few differences
[2016-04-17 12:09:28] odarn : j8: thank you so much man!
[2016-04-17 12:09:48] j8 : not a problem, enjoy
[2016-04-17 12:10:06] odarn : alright @j8
[2016-04-17 12:16:13] mrp1nk : damn eth
[2016-04-17 12:17:42] mrp1nk : #toldya
[2016-04-17 13:30:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1888 @ 429.70
[2016-04-17 14:07:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 150 @ 0.02271
[2016-04-17 17:18:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 259 @ 0.02203
[2016-04-17 17:40:42] mrp1nk : @BitMEX: got this some minutes ago http://imgur.com/BR8jcMI
[2016-04-17 17:45:22] BitMEX_Wally : mrp1nk: Did it clear up after a refresh?
[2016-04-17 17:46:22] mrp1nk : it did clear up after a while without user interaction
[2016-04-17 17:57:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 600 @ 462.25
[2016-04-17 18:00:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 400 @ 427.87
[2016-04-17 19:35:10] 1QaZxSw2 : The chart is an iframe. Its not a problem with bitmex, its a connectivity issue to tradingview
[2016-04-17 19:36:05] elmorte : Apple, figures
[2016-04-17 20:20:44] bosma : How do you set a take profit?
[2016-04-17 20:22:15] habibi : u could use stop limit for that
[2016-04-17 20:30:58] j8 : no, just a normal limit order
[2016-04-17 20:37:33] habibi : lol, yea, i need sleep ;)
[2016-04-17 20:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.02215
[2016-04-17 20:53:12] wallet422 : i cant find a founded date of bitmex
[2016-04-17 20:55:00] BitMEX_Wally : wallet422: BitMEX has been live since 2014
[2016-04-17 20:55:52] wallet422 : month?
[2016-04-17 20:56:26] sleger : nov?
[2016-04-17 20:56:36] wallet422 : thx
[2016-04-17 20:56:48] sleger : your google skills arent great
[2016-04-17 20:57:00] wallet422 : i was looking at the FAQ
[2016-04-17 20:57:03] wallet422 : and cruchbase
[2016-04-17 20:59:11] BitMEX_Wally : Company was founded January 2014, we launched a beta in mid 2014 and went live for real in November 2014.
[2016-04-17 22:07:46] 1QaZxSw2 : hey, can someone from bitmex shed light on what exactly is being checked on manual withdrawal
[2016-04-17 22:08:05] 1QaZxSw2 : i.e. do you read the withdrawal address? amount?
[2016-04-17 22:30:53] habibi : i think its all about security of exchange funds, not users itself
[2016-04-17 22:32:41] 1QaZxSw2 : i understand if its manually processed to keep keys off exchange, but i don't get the "manually checked by two employees"
[2016-04-17 22:33:23] 1QaZxSw2 : what can they scan for by reading 100s of addresses and amounts?
[2016-04-17 22:35:07] habibi : its marketing probally to make it sound better :)
[2016-04-17 22:35:54] 1QaZxSw2 : i totally appreciate its better than many other exchanges where its one address with all users balance.
[2016-04-17 22:36:08] 1QaZxSw2 : which of course is a gold mine
[2016-04-17 22:43:02] habibi : cold wallet is cold wallet
[2016-04-17 22:48:26] 1QaZxSw2 : right of course. i guess in bitmex case, they are saying one dude can't run off with the coins
[2016-04-17 22:48:37] 1QaZxSw2 : since majority of partners need to sign
[2016-04-17 22:49:05] 1QaZxSw2 : but of course, majority could run off with the coins
[2016-04-17 22:53:54] BitMEX_Sam : mrp1nk: I've seen that one before, it's a Heisenbug - appears to be a canvas rendering problem with the browser itself
[2016-04-17 22:54:00] BitMEX_Sam : Attempting to inspect it causes the bug to disappear
[2016-04-17 22:54:21] BitMEX_Sam : Re: our cold wallets, multisig, etc., it's all about minimization of risk and removing scenarios by which we could lose funds\
[2016-04-17 22:54:41] BitMEX_Sam : It takes some time to sign offline multisig transactions but we believe it's well worth it for peace of mind
[2016-04-17 22:55:19] 1QaZxSw2 : right of course... i do appreciate it.... just wondering what there is to check...
[2016-04-17 22:55:22] BitMEX_Sam : And it removes/reduces a number of risk factors, such as malware infection, rogue employee/partner, hot wallet bugs or spoofed balances
[2016-04-17 22:55:53] BitMEX_Sam : We check a number of heuristics and have in the past contacted users directly if a withdrawal looked suspicious
[2016-04-17 22:56:11] 1QaZxSw2 : ok, i see. thanks
[2016-04-17 22:56:14] BitMEX_Sam : That includes previously used addresses, amount, history, total deposited vs. withdrawaln, and IP address
[2016-04-17 22:56:19] BitMEX_Sam : withdrawn*
[2016-04-17 22:56:49] habibi : k, will know what to do in case i will get into sleger account :)
[2016-04-17 22:57:09] BitMEX_Sam : It is, of course, very much in our interest to treat customer funds as sacred - breaches are very costly in time/funds/reputation and have killed many exchanges
[2016-04-17 22:57:24] BitMEX_Sam : Considering we're all targets... we like to take as many precautions as we can reasonably take.
[2016-04-17 23:00:21] 1QaZxSw2 : appreciate you sharing this with us
[2016-04-17 23:17:20] podizzle3k : sam it would be cool if you could click the fair or settle price and have it go to the order box price
[2016-04-17 23:31:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1500 @ 0.02198
[2016-04-17 23:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 150 @ 0.02176
[2016-04-17 23:40:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1667 @ 0.02162
[2016-04-17 23:42:03] sleger : weird it says rekt 1667 but the order is for 3k
[2016-04-17 23:42:17] habibi : 3 rekts summed up
[2016-04-17 23:42:47] sleger : oh yes didnt see the other 2
[2016-04-17 23:43:14] sleger : someone just took it, stupid, it would have come down more to get filled, could have bought cheaper
[2016-04-17 23:43:36] habibi : it owuld be taken already by mm bot in some part
[2016-04-17 23:44:17] sleger : but not for 3k, mm bot posts 750
[2016-04-17 23:44:36] habibi : yea but for now it would hit probally two times already
[2016-04-18 01:04:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.02134
[2016-04-18 01:53:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 635 @ 0.02207
[2016-04-18 03:16:52] rentchev : futures on ETH are 20 bellow market price
[2016-04-18 03:17:02] rentchev : that tells me ETH might head down from here
[2016-04-18 03:46:04] rentchev : whoever say BitMEX fees are high is crazy
[2016-04-18 03:46:20] rentchev : for 75% of my orders I get money back
[2016-04-18 03:46:36] rentchev : in reality my fees are close to 0
[2016-04-18 03:52:16] wallet422 : do i need to sell my contract right before the settlement time if i only want the difference and not actually buy at asset at price?
[2016-04-18 03:56:14] BitMEX_Arthur : wallet422: All contracts are cash settled in Bitcoin
[2016-04-18 03:56:26] BitMEX_Arthur : there is no physical delivery if you hold over settlement
[2016-04-18 03:57:54] wallet422 : ok so I use the profits from this site on another site to buy at the "original price"
[2016-04-18 04:01:45] wallet422 : i really like that i can speculate on price up/down without actually having to touch fiat :-)
[2016-04-18 09:04:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02120
[2016-04-18 09:08:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.02113
[2016-04-18 09:08:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.02114
[2016-04-18 11:06:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.02083
[2016-04-18 11:11:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 400 @ 0.02069
[2016-04-18 11:44:57] rapidtrades : Good Morning America
[2016-04-18 11:46:06] rapidtrades : oops
[2016-04-18 11:46:11] habibi : Hey
[2016-04-18 11:46:23] rapidtrades : habibi: oh hey
[2016-04-18 11:46:30] habibi : how its going?
[2016-04-18 11:46:30] rapidtrades : i totally meant to type that here
[2016-04-18 11:46:53] rapidtrades : habibi: ok i guess....one of my forex brokers could be going down
[2016-04-18 11:47:22] rapidtrades : allegedly it's DDOS lol
[2016-04-18 11:48:05] habibi : potential loss is significant ?
[2016-04-18 11:48:26] rapidtrades : nah $200 only...one of the reasons i used them was large leverage
[2016-04-18 11:49:06] habibi : there is simplefx for btc which gives u some crazy leverage
[2016-04-18 11:49:37] rapidtrades : yeah i'll need to shop around...definitely want to have a backup
[2016-04-18 11:50:06] habibi : and 1broker with small fees and safer lvl
[2016-04-18 11:50:20] rapidtrades : u know ppl bitch about leverage but times like these shows why it's so powerful
[2016-04-18 11:51:13] rapidtrades : if okc or finex were to go down it would hurt be a lot more, cos they're at 3/1 only and I have to keep lot more cash in there
[2016-04-18 11:52:30] habibi : yea, u can always add to margin and even with 20x okc u have smaller fees then finex
[2016-04-18 11:53:10] rapidtrades : when PFG went down while back lot of futures traders were out of the game for years...they thought they were safe
[2016-04-18 11:53:24] rapidtrades : had most if not all funds with them
[2016-04-18 11:56:26] habibi : whats the story with them? bankruptcy?
[2016-04-18 11:56:59] rapidtrades : habibi: they used customer funds to buy greek bonds
[2016-04-18 11:58:07] habibi : safe bet :D
[2016-04-18 12:00:30] rapidtrades : no sorrry it's these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Financial_Group
[2016-04-18 12:00:42] rapidtrades : the greek bonds was the othe scandal
[2016-04-18 12:01:15] rapidtrades : MF Global
[2016-04-18 12:02:47] rapidtrades : habibi: any positions on?
[2016-04-18 12:08:35] podizzle3k : i wish we could set a stop limit using fair price instead of bitmex price
[2016-04-18 12:08:46] podizzle3k : bitmex people panic too much
[2016-04-18 12:10:40] rapidtrades : podizzle3k: any positions
[2016-04-18 12:15:18] habibi : rapidtrades: scalping eth so in and out all the time, overall it looks very bearish
[2016-04-18 12:18:36] j8 : almost 400k contracts open on `XBTM16`
[2016-04-18 12:18:49] j8 : really picked up
[2016-04-18 12:19:12] habibi : sleger is shorting xbtm16 probally as last time he did on quat contracts
[2016-04-18 12:22:20] j8 : no doubt, but it was like half that on `XBTZ15`
[2016-04-18 12:22:25] rapidtrades : that man has 1. big balls 2. miscalculates risk
[2016-04-18 12:22:37] rapidtrades : its one of the two...can't decide which yet
[2016-04-18 12:24:49] j8 : who knows, it's not like there's enough history to really evaluate it
[2016-04-18 12:25:29] habibi : its bad that he is not playing 24h anymore, harder to have bigger position
[2016-04-18 12:28:24] rapidtrades : i stopped trading 24h as well, no point with prices flat for weeks now
[2016-04-18 12:28:27] j8 : at the moment the 24h is really unappealing for big positions
[2016-04-18 12:29:42] rapidtrades : u can't force these things...if price doesn't move why take a 24h bet?
[2016-04-18 12:31:42] j8 : i'm trading every day and the fact that it expires isn't a problem.. but fees need to be competitive
[2016-04-18 12:33:06] rapidtrades : j8: range trading?
[2016-04-18 12:34:14] j8 : mostly arbs, cal spreads and whatnot
[2016-04-18 12:35:41] rapidtrades : j8: arbing what? 30 cents premiums?
[2016-04-18 12:36:42] j8 : just keeping an eye on things and always trying to get into a good position when it's slow like this
[2016-04-18 12:42:04] rapidtrades : still short eth here
[2016-04-18 12:43:03] j8 : i stopped trading eth, i admit i have no clue.
[2016-04-18 12:43:47] j8 : i'm kinda believing the hype around okc adding it though.
[2016-04-18 12:44:57] rapidtrades : meh doesn't matter in the long run
[2016-04-18 12:45:48] habibi : yea but if yes then nice chance to have long scalp with i bet great profits
[2016-04-18 12:46:06] habibi : first coin after litecoin added to okc, some people would lost their mind about that hype
[2016-04-18 12:46:23] j8 : it's a way bigger deal than bitfinex
[2016-04-18 12:47:00] rapidtrades : well its on finex now and its 50% below its peak
[2016-04-18 12:47:21] j8 : it peaked after it was added though.
[2016-04-18 12:47:30] rapidtrades : plenty of shits trade on exchanges...just being tradeable doesn't add value
[2016-04-18 12:47:44] habibi : it doesnt, its all about hype rapid
[2016-04-18 12:48:06] j8 : if you're short, you might want to pay attention to something that could double the price in a day or two
[2016-04-18 12:48:14] j8 : even if it's short term fomo
[2016-04-18 12:48:31] rapidtrades : j8: tnx, i removed some of my margin just to be safe
[2016-04-18 12:49:37] rapidtrades : i had a stop before it but who knows where that will execute...eth is weird
[2016-04-18 12:53:04] j8 : also if they launch 0 fee ETH/CNY, and ETH futures, litecoin is toast
[2016-04-18 13:02:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.01990 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-18 13:02:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 375 @ 0.01990
[2016-04-18 13:02:43] viptrader : buying eth here
[2016-04-18 13:03:09] habibi : for 5 minutes/hours/days?
[2016-04-18 13:04:54] viptrader : bounce to 219
[2016-04-18 13:05:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.01980
[2016-04-18 13:05:17] viptrader : habibi: and hello to you buddy, fuck u
[2016-04-18 13:05:19] habibi : before or after?
[2016-04-18 13:05:35] viptrader : habibi: ta3 mosele zbe
[2016-04-18 13:05:44] viptrader : b7b tmos kenak
[2016-04-18 13:06:23] viptrader : ya abn elka7be
[2016-04-18 13:06:27] habibi : monkeys should be on the trees, not on bitmex
[2016-04-18 13:06:55] viptrader : habibi: shklk btnam hon ente
[2016-04-18 13:07:12] viptrader : mtkhylak nase7 wlabes sdreye
[2016-04-18 13:07:27] viptrader : yla ro7 entak man, dont have time for poor people
[2016-04-18 13:07:28] j8 : no real language has that many 7's in it
[2016-04-18 13:08:16] habibi : BitMEX_Arthur: it's ur job:)? or he is really saying that?
[2016-04-18 13:47:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.02073 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-18 13:54:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 135 @ 0.02111
[2016-04-18 14:00:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.02189
[2016-04-18 17:10:31] elmorte : Is all that volume at noon GMT just settlement volume?
[2016-04-18 17:12:59] habibi : on 24h?
[2016-04-18 17:29:46] elmorte : yeah, XBT24
[2016-04-18 17:29:56] 1QaZxSw2 : rekt, when you say liquidated, do you mean you exited or the system took your trade out
[2016-04-18 17:30:20] elmorte : Rekt doesn't speak to strangers
[2016-04-18 17:30:34] 1QaZxSw2 : im not that strange
[2016-04-18 17:31:17] elmorte : Has he spoken to you before?
[2016-04-18 17:31:24] 1QaZxSw2 : no
[2016-04-18 17:31:42] elmorte : ...there you go
[2016-04-18 17:33:28] nip : 1QaZxSw2: hes not talking about his own position
[2016-04-18 17:33:43] nip : 1QaZxSw2: rekt is who liquidates other peoples positions
[2016-04-18 17:34:25] nip : 10:00 - REKT: Liquidated short on ETH7D: Buy 40 @ 0.02189
[2016-04-18 17:34:43] nip : someone ran out of margin
[2016-04-18 17:37:16] nip : I wish there was a way to get those popup chat notifications when rekt talks
[2016-04-18 17:37:36] nip : he is often how i notice price moved a lot
[2016-04-18 17:37:51] elmorte : You can ask micmix to hook you up
[2016-04-18 17:38:06] sleger : nip: EST timezone huh ?
[2016-04-18 17:38:14] elmorte : or run some script yourself in IRC
[2016-04-18 17:38:19] elmorte : Haha, busted!
[2016-04-18 17:40:03] nip : elmorte: yeah maybe he can preface each message with nip:
[2016-04-18 17:40:31] elmorte : Yeah, I was just wondering how he could scale that in case you're not the only one
[2016-04-18 17:44:14] nip : a bitmex feature with a favorite userlist would work
[2016-04-18 17:44:22] nip : i cant imagine that would be a priority though
[2016-04-18 17:45:18] elmorte : You could dish out some dough for cryptowatch
[2016-04-18 17:45:20] nip : yeah i could run some script on my side. at that point might as well use websockets myself
[2016-04-18 17:45:42] nip : what does cryptowatch do with this?
[2016-04-18 17:46:22] elmorte : It has bitmex futures and you can set alarms at specific price points....even by SMS
[2016-04-18 17:47:09] nip : it would be nice if bitmex had price alarms build in. also the ability to set alarms/stops with the mark price would be nice too
[2016-04-18 17:47:19] nip : sometimes really strange trades trigger my stops
[2016-04-18 17:47:33] nip : market buyers can get a bit trigger happy
[2016-04-18 17:53:23] BitMEX_Sam : Those are good ideas, working the liquidation feed natively into the site is a near-term enhancement in our list
[2016-04-18 17:53:43] BitMEX_Sam : Also re: stops, podizzle3k asked about the trigger price - that's mark price, not last, so it is not affected by out-of-band trading
[2016-04-18 17:58:33] nip : There is probably a lot you can do with order types like offset orders
[2016-04-18 17:58:37] nip : volatility orders for quantos
[2016-04-18 18:00:03] nip : like mark price + offset
[2016-04-18 18:00:18] nip : or indicative settle price and annualized volatility
[2016-04-18 18:01:51] nip : or maybe anything using mark price or indicative settle price should be left to api users to implement. wouldnt want any liability in the event of erratic data
[2016-04-18 18:02:54] rcc_ : hi
[2016-04-18 18:03:10] rcc_ : Can new users not post into the trollbox on the site?
[2016-04-18 18:05:07] rcc_ : When I try to on the site - it just sends blank
[2016-04-18 18:07:12] BitMEX_Sam : We have trailing stops in the API nip, hopefully will make it in the UI soon
[2016-04-18 18:07:25] BitMEX_Sam : rcc_: We don't have any sort of limiting there
[2016-04-18 18:07:28] BitMEX_Sam : Let me check the logs.
[2016-04-18 18:07:42] rcc_ : u/n on the site is ryancstl23
[2016-04-18 18:09:06] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks.
[2016-04-18 18:12:17] rcc_ : Maybe some browser addons or something
[2016-04-18 18:25:51] rcc_ : So could you explain for me, are all of these tradable positions -- they are derivatives - a binary bet up or down right? They are not actual BTC or actual Ether?
[2016-04-18 18:27:11] BitMEX_Sam : They're not binary, they're futures - at settlement, they are cash settled into Bitcoin in your account
[2016-04-18 18:27:23] BitMEX_Sam : See e.g. https://www.bitmex.com/app/seriesGuide/XBT
[2016-04-18 18:27:28] rcc_ : ty
[2016-04-18 18:28:29] rcc_ : This is awesome - so does this mean I can bet on the value of btc as reported at a future date?
[2016-04-18 18:29:01] rcc_ : Using what is reported by .XBT2H Index Details?
[2016-04-18 18:29:31] BitMEX_Sam : Right - .XBT2H is historical index data that was used to settle previous contracts
[2016-04-18 18:29:52] BitMEX_Sam : Some contracts use slightly different indices, like https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT30M
[2016-04-18 18:30:14] BitMEX_Sam : (by the way, I notice the chart is having issues... will fix asap)
[2016-04-18 18:30:14] rcc_ : Maybe this isn't your responsibility - but do you serve USA patrons and do you know if Federally it is legal for me (being US), do I need a license to deal with derivatives?
[2016-04-18 18:30:37] BitMEX_Sam : You generally don't need a license, but due to the regulatory atmosphere in the USA we explicitly do not serve US customers
[2016-04-18 18:30:43] habibi : see ya :D
[2016-04-18 18:30:51] rcc_ : Thank you for the info
[2016-04-18 18:31:02] rcc_ : That's probably why I can't speak on trollbox :"D
[2016-04-18 18:32:01] rcc_ : Maybe when I finally move to Euro zone will start trading here :D It's a great market -- thanks again for the time!
[2016-04-18 18:33:48] BitMEX_Sam : No problem - have a good one
[2016-04-18 18:37:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.02105
[2016-04-18 18:51:41] rapidtrades : eth the only game in town
[2016-04-18 18:56:33] arbitrage001 : are you long or short eth
[2016-04-18 19:07:46] avirap : have there ever been Socialized Losses (DPE)?
[2016-04-18 19:08:11] avirap : Does that go against Cash and Carry Arb?
[2016-04-18 19:08:27] nip : avirap: yes and yes
[2016-04-18 19:09:01] avirap : thanks
[2016-04-18 19:09:45] avirap : is cash and carry still profitable taking DPE into account? rollover yield is 50%+
[2016-04-18 19:15:50] habibi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceFund settlement fund still making new highs
[2016-04-18 19:17:31] nip : yeah great chance of 0 dpe
[2016-04-18 19:17:50] nip : its hard to quantify that risk
[2016-04-18 19:17:53] habibi : wouldnt say its zero chance but yea, good its increasing all time
[2016-04-18 19:18:02] habibi : eth is pretty profitable for this fund :)
[2016-04-18 19:21:39] j8 : 0 almost all the time but on rare occasions it can easily be 20%, 30% or more.. the clawback is really painful if you're arbing
[2016-04-18 19:23:07] j8 : so it has to be worth it. being able to see that there's a healthy insurance fund helps a bit
[2016-04-18 19:23:09] avirap : j8: is 20% or 30% Adjustment Rate means if I had $100 profit from being SHORT BTCUSD futures then I realizr only 80 or 70?
[2016-04-18 19:23:30] j8 : yeah
[2016-04-18 19:24:12] nip : if you had $100 loss from being LONG BTCUSD you realize -100 :(
[2016-04-18 19:24:13] j8 : and that's the winning side of the arb, so maybe the losing side lost $90
[2016-04-18 19:24:47] sleger : plus default risks from 2 coin exchanges
[2016-04-18 19:24:53] avirap : j8: is DPE assymetric then in the sense that losses are not reduced by 1-Adj.Rate commensurately, but only profits are reduced?
[2016-04-18 19:25:22] habibi : avirap: if losses would be reduced then... then it would not work :D
[2016-04-18 19:25:30] j8 : it is asymmetric that way, and yeah it needs to be
[2016-04-18 19:25:37] nip : at least someone has reduced losses since they get out of the position at a price they cant actually execute a trade at
[2016-04-18 19:25:45] j8 : yep
[2016-04-18 19:25:47] nip : but if you are arbing your losses arent reduced at all
[2016-04-18 19:26:22] sleger : if you want to do carry you're gonna be short fut and when btc crashes thats when you're gonna have dpe (almost always) so as a cash carry trader you will almost always get screwed by dpe
[2016-04-18 19:26:58] rapidtrades : sleger: so how do u factor that in? u take large bets on this
[2016-04-18 19:27:09] avirap : totally get it
[2016-04-18 19:27:25] sleger : not exactly @rapidtrades and I wont say how I do tit
[2016-04-18 19:27:28] sleger : *it
[2016-04-18 19:28:10] rapidtrades : lol everyone thinks they have found the super secret sauce
[2016-04-18 19:29:03] rapidtrades : i was just asking how do u quantify the clawback risk...given the small sample
[2016-04-18 19:29:08] arbitrage001 : I am guessing he is just increasing the size of the bet
[2016-04-18 19:29:11] avirap : that the chat keeps disconnecting is not reassuring of BitMex
[2016-04-18 19:29:34] arbitrage001 : for instance, short 1.5 to 2 future for every btc
[2016-04-18 19:29:42] arbitrage001 : just like what i am doingg now
[2016-04-18 19:29:57] arbitrage001 : adjust ratio that is
[2016-04-18 19:30:02] sleger : arbitrage001: not doing that no
[2016-04-18 19:30:07] arbitrage001 : o
[2016-04-18 19:31:09] arbitrage001 : the downside risk is a lot higher than upside
[2016-04-18 19:31:26] avirap : Has there ever been any word from BitMex about raising the Margin Reqs so that System Losses and DPE are minimized?
[2016-04-18 19:31:31] arbitrage001 : my personal opinion