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[2016-04-12 00:03:56] 1QaZxSw2 : honestly, looks like ETH is where all the vol is
[2016-04-12 00:04:08] rentchev : now I only have a small position for June
[2016-04-12 00:04:32] rentchev : ETH is for day trading only
[2016-04-12 00:04:38] rentchev : you can't buy and hold
[2016-04-12 00:04:56] rentchev : I haven't held ETH overnight yet
[2016-04-12 00:06:16] habibi : https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?timespan=180days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=17irB8xLxhVRerCoUyypnmpoak3QBpVp2z polo cold wallet :) beautiful
[2016-04-12 00:07:11] rentchev : wow
[2016-04-12 00:07:24] rentchev : what does this signify?
[2016-04-12 00:07:45] rentchev : why did it go up so much?
[2016-04-12 00:07:59] habibi : that someone took a lof of money out of it
[2016-04-12 00:08:17] habibi : check dates, peak of btc holdings - peak of eth bubble
[2016-04-12 00:08:35] rentchev : right
[2016-04-12 00:08:39] 1QaZxSw2 : is that an exchange's address
[2016-04-12 00:08:49] rentchev : when everyone moved bitcoins there to buy ETH
[2016-04-12 00:09:19] rentchev : are charts working for you guys?
[2016-04-12 00:09:21] habibi : basically its no chance imo to get high enought
[2016-04-12 00:09:30] rentchev : I see an animated gif
[2016-04-12 00:10:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 6 @ 423.54
[2016-04-12 00:10:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 150 @ 423.75
[2016-04-12 00:11:23] rentchev : tehre you go
[2016-04-12 00:11:30] rentchev : my ETH short is starting to work
[2016-04-12 00:14:42] rentchev : Bitfinex is leading even China on BTC price right now
[2016-04-12 00:17:02] sleger : habibi: that chart just shows people lending btc like I did and then taking them out
[2016-04-12 00:17:41] habibi : sleger: u overestimate polo lending ammount
[2016-04-12 00:17:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 13 @ 0.01996
[2016-04-12 00:18:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 363 @ 0.01973
[2016-04-12 00:20:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.01983 :punch: :whale:
[2016-04-12 00:21:17] rentchev : 1? lol
[2016-04-12 01:36:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 84 @ 0.01984
[2016-04-12 02:28:56] viptrader : probably a huge sell off on ETH once polo come online
[2016-04-12 02:36:01] kingscrown : https://twitter.com/kingscrownBTC/status/719715611539042304
[2016-04-12 02:46:27] rentchev : why would it crash @viptrader?
[2016-04-12 02:47:16] viptrader : first, it went under support, and second polo ddos will create more panic
[2016-04-12 02:47:20] viptrader : rentchev:
[2016-04-12 02:47:49] rentchev : lets see :-)
[2016-04-12 02:47:51] podizzle3k : same reason btc use to crash during btc-e ang gox ddos back in the day
[2016-04-12 02:48:06] podizzle3k : more reliable than dead cat bounce
[2016-04-12 02:48:58] rentchev : kraken has a service that sits in front of their website to prevent ddos
[2016-04-12 02:49:02] rentchev : not sure if they still use it
[2016-04-12 02:49:35] podizzle3k : it doesnt prevent ddos it just redirects you when the site is being ddosed
[2016-04-12 02:50:10] podizzle3k : the only thing that can prevent ddos is an equal strength ddos protection.. if you are overpowered theres nothing to be done
[2016-04-12 02:51:17] rentchev : I hope they have some smart engineers at polo
[2016-04-12 02:55:49] podizzler3000 : nobody dumping on kraken
[2016-04-12 02:56:49] rentchev : everyone is waiting to see what will happen
[2016-04-12 02:58:08] rentchev : I put some buy orders on Kraken in case a big crash happens
[2016-04-12 02:58:19] rentchev : way bellow the current price
[2016-04-12 02:58:46] rentchev : but I have 500 short in here from 0.02041
[2016-04-12 03:01:48] podizzler3000 : then you should be hoping they got hacked
[2016-04-12 03:01:49] podizzler3000 : heh
[2016-04-12 03:01:57] podizzler3000 : price will go to 0 and youll be rich
[2016-04-12 03:02:15] rentchev : nah
[2016-04-12 03:02:21] rentchev : I don't want that to happen
[2016-04-12 03:02:28] rentchev : it will be bad for crypto
[2016-04-12 03:10:38] podizzler3000 : btc pumpin
[2016-04-12 03:11:46] rentchev : yep
[2016-04-12 03:11:50] rentchev : China leading this time
[2016-04-12 03:15:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 112 @ 426.45
[2016-04-12 03:22:19] Cryptolicious : if polo never comes back will eth be pegged to kraken instead?
[2016-04-12 03:22:21] Cryptolicious : just asking
[2016-04-12 03:23:02] rentchev : too early for that
[2016-04-12 03:23:54] BitMEX_Arthur : Cryptolicious: We are monitoring, the price isn't moving on Kraken so we are going to stay with Poloniex
[2016-04-12 03:24:08] BitMEX_Arthur : If we do switch to Kraken for marking purposes, we will let everyone know
[2016-04-12 03:24:32] rentchev : Thanks Arthur
[2016-04-12 03:44:23] Cryptolicious : looks like kraken is starting to move
[2016-04-12 03:45:27] Cryptolicious : nice polo back
[2016-04-12 03:51:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 6200 @ 425.88
[2016-04-12 03:54:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1978 @ 0.01928
[2016-04-12 03:56:36] micmix : that was nice for polo to come back
[2016-04-12 03:57:52] micmix : api is still bugged: Poloniex API error: Invalid order number, or you are not the person who placed the order.
[2016-04-12 03:58:20] micmix : looks like the database is strugglinh
[2016-04-12 03:58:27] micmix : *struggling
[2016-04-12 03:59:23] uiop : etherbanga
[2016-04-12 04:00:45] Skuffone : what is wrong with orders on eth7d
[2016-04-12 04:02:13] podizzler3000 : damnnnnnn
[2016-04-12 04:02:17] podizzler3000 : ruthless
[2016-04-12 04:02:21] podizzler3000 : kill the api, pump btc
[2016-04-12 04:02:52] podizzler3000 : thx to whoevers bot farted out that 197 buy order for me. might want to get that thing checked out
[2016-04-12 04:10:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.01887
[2016-04-12 04:14:45] babybaby : ETH going down
[2016-04-12 04:15:23] stevelim : bTC going up
[2016-04-12 04:16:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.01873
[2016-04-12 04:17:02] rapidtrades : this is ridiculous...why is finex still above futures....wtf some scammy shit
[2016-04-12 04:18:40] podizzler3000 : scammy?
[2016-04-12 04:18:50] podizzler3000 : whats scammy is whats going on at polo
[2016-04-12 04:19:02] podizzler3000 : crippled website with trading enabled
[2016-04-12 04:20:29] uiop : the etherbanga cometh
[2016-04-12 04:21:40] rapidtrades : hey this is cool...im making btc on my eth short....and at the same time that btc is now worth more usd kekeke
[2016-04-12 04:24:30] Cryptolicious : making money while you're making money
[2016-04-12 04:24:51] j8 : rapidtrades: check that btc rate on finex lately
[2016-04-12 04:25:33] podizzler3000 : polorape continues now the page doesnt even come up
[2016-04-12 04:29:11] rapidtrades : btce shit to...coins at 419 but u cant trade em
[2016-04-12 04:30:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 65 @ 0.01864
[2016-04-12 04:33:15] micmix : polo API is back up and seems to be OK now. I started to close all shorts just in case, too dangerous with all those downtimes
[2016-04-12 04:33:53] rapidtrades : micmix: and short here amirite?
[2016-04-12 04:34:10] micmix : I have shorts on all alts that popped
[2016-04-12 04:35:15] micmix : no, not going to open shorts here, I don't like weekly settlement
[2016-04-12 04:35:24] rapidtrades : micmix: lol
[2016-04-12 04:36:16] micmix : ok, I confess, I have 20 ETH short here from my test bot lol
[2016-04-12 04:37:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 502 @ 0.01860
[2016-04-12 04:37:44] rapidtrades : that's a big one ^^
[2016-04-12 04:38:02] rapidtrades : the turd from the curd
[2016-04-12 04:38:13] micmix : huuumongous ;-)
[2016-04-12 04:42:50] micmix : well DOGE is up 1 satoshi, I guess that's something positive
[2016-04-12 04:44:11] rapidtrades : guys remember when eth was going to replace btc kekeke
[2016-04-12 04:46:47] uiop : ethusd sitting at $8
[2016-04-12 04:46:56] uiop : waiting for a push
[2016-04-12 04:46:57] micmix : it's still too early to say anything, I feel like we're in friendster/classmates times for crypto, we don't even have our myspace yet
[2016-04-12 05:05:06] rapidtrades : to the guy that claimed spiking rates on finex are due to shorting....look at it now b1tch
[2016-04-12 05:05:30] rapidtrades : bid 0.01 ask 0.028 and finex is the highest of all
[2016-04-12 05:06:34] rapidtrades : the FRR for borrowing BTC is now only 1/3 below USD
[2016-04-12 05:06:39] j8 : rapidtrades: you talkin bout me
[2016-04-12 05:07:42] j8 : more shorting than lending.. how else would it go up
[2016-04-12 05:08:16] rapidtrades : j8: eth demand brah....its not a closed system
[2016-04-12 05:10:29] rapidtrades : that 0.019 bid for demolished
[2016-04-12 05:15:45] j8 : it sort of is closed though.. how do you long eth with borrowed btc on finex? best you can do is use some of your btc to buy eth and some to borrow usd to long btc to cover
[2016-04-12 05:18:40] rapidtrades : j8: are u still defending ur shitty theory.
[2016-04-12 05:19:04] j8 : i wanna hear your shitty theory
[2016-04-12 05:19:07] rapidtrades : facts are eth is on finex, rates spike as i expected
[2016-04-12 05:19:19] rapidtrades : so my ''theory''' just got supported
[2016-04-12 05:19:23] rapidtrades : urs is shit
[2016-04-12 05:20:37] j8 : what the fact that borrowing > lending means rates go up?
[2016-04-12 05:21:20] rapidtrades : oh forget about it...doesn't matter much anyway
[2016-04-12 05:22:23] j8 : my actual theory is that there's a lot of people short finex and long china / futures
[2016-04-12 05:23:51] j8 : and no one wants to lend because they might want their capital asap if this breaks
[2016-04-12 05:27:38] rapidtrades : j8: it already broke ppl are just stupid to realize it
[2016-04-12 05:27:59] rapidtrades : j8: u may have a point as I am one of those ppl kekeke
[2016-04-12 05:28:19] hitme1 : it hasnt broken
[2016-04-12 05:28:21] rapidtrades : guess we'll see what happens to rates if finex comes back inline with market
[2016-04-12 05:28:30] rapidtrades : hitme1: go away
[2016-04-12 05:28:39] j8 : me too, and when you start getting stung on swap it's a sign that it's a crowded traded
[2016-04-12 05:29:42] rapidtrades : guess u gotta pay for the CNY exposure one way or another :)
[2016-04-12 05:32:10] hitme1 : rapidtrades: lets keep friendly
[2016-04-12 05:32:43] j8 : okc's getting dragged down by a bad cny price again. next week should be slightly better
[2016-04-12 06:16:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 103 @ 0.01863
[2016-04-12 07:22:15] wurstgelee : charts broken? cant get past the loading animation
[2016-04-12 07:22:24] wurstgelee : even with hard refresh
[2016-04-12 07:22:28] wurstgelee : opera
[2016-04-12 07:58:27] bigbloobear : is XBT options or futures contracts?
[2016-04-12 08:02:32] j8 : bigbloobear: they're futures, but there is a volatility component, like options
[2016-04-12 08:02:52] bigbloobear : how so?
[2016-04-12 08:03:45] j8 : bigbloobear: https://blog.bitmex.com/xbt-vs-xbu-chain/
[2016-04-12 08:05:04] j8 : they're quanto futures that pay out btc proportional to change in btc/usd
[2016-04-12 08:05:48] j8 : compared to inverse futures which effectively pay out usd proportional to change in btc/usd, but converted to btc
[2016-04-12 08:06:47] bigbloobear : I see that, but what is the volatility component
[2016-04-12 08:07:04] j8 : it means you profit more from large moves
[2016-04-12 08:07:30] bigbloobear : if you are the right side
[2016-04-12 08:07:54] j8 : yes they're biased to the long side
[2016-04-12 08:07:57] bigbloobear : can you buy & sell the same contract?
[2016-04-12 08:08:12] bigbloobear : (i.e. to stradlle ect)
[2016-04-12 08:09:00] j8 : that's pointless, but it's possible to do a volatility straddle by holding quanto's and inverse futures / spot
[2016-04-12 08:09:39] j8 : or you can do calendar spreads using two different expiries of XBT series
[2016-04-12 08:10:49] bigbloobear : yes, makes sense.
[2016-04-12 08:12:32] bigbloobear : why did you say i'ts pointless
[2016-04-12 08:13:15] j8 : if you could long and short the same contract, it just nets out to nothing
[2016-04-12 08:15:36] j8 : some exchanges let you do it, here it will just close your position
[2016-04-12 08:16:34] bigbloobear : its not necessarily pointless, quite a common spread when trading futures/options
[2016-04-12 08:17:25] j8 : it's not the same as buying a call and a put, or anything like that
[2016-04-12 08:19:30] bigbloobear : also, what is your opinion as to which website has the greatest volume for contracts/options
[2016-04-12 08:20:52] j8 : options on bitcoin, none that i know of, except coinut and it has very little volume
[2016-04-12 08:42:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 50 @ 0.01867
[2016-04-12 08:42:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 37 @ 0.01866
[2016-04-12 08:45:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.01871
[2016-04-12 08:55:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 342 @ 0.01912
[2016-04-12 09:16:32] wurstgelee : do charts work for u guys?
[2016-04-12 09:16:39] wurstgelee : they dont for me (opera)
[2016-04-12 09:17:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 15 @ 0.01928
[2016-04-12 09:17:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.01938
[2016-04-12 09:47:21] kogroken : wow, 20k bidwall on 24H
[2016-04-12 09:48:16] habibi : look now.
[2016-04-12 09:48:42] kogroken : Well, that's a nice one up
[2016-04-12 09:56:15] miramm1115 : my bot was checking if real with 1 contract orders. it wasn't real, got pulled after 1 contract was sold into it
[2016-04-12 09:58:48] miramm1115 : it was on the books, just not real in a sense that the trader didn't want it to get filled
[2016-04-12 10:08:02] miramm1115 : do you like 200k bidwall? ;=)
[2016-04-12 10:10:57] habibi : 1 qty orders are not testing anything tbh
[2016-04-12 10:11:44] habibi : hmm funny got filled when there was 500 order in front of me
[2016-04-12 10:12:41] miramm1115 : habibi: nice wall
[2016-04-12 10:27:47] miramm1115 : ok, my bot went crazy, it's going to sell 1 contract every 10-20 seconds until settlement. get your fills if you want ;=)
[2016-04-12 10:30:53] miramm1115 : well at least we won't have 1-2 hours with no trades
[2016-04-12 11:09:30] Teddy76 : you disturb me with notification of 1 contract, it's not appreciated to spam with 1 contract
[2016-04-12 11:09:42] BombaUcigasa : top pip
[2016-04-12 11:10:08] Teddy76 : if you need to test your bot, there is testnet.bitmex.com
[2016-04-12 11:38:57] ett1 : he can buy and sell what he likes
[2016-04-12 11:51:52] rapidtrades : ett1: how about human beings?
[2016-04-12 12:00:50] Teddy76 : ett1: of course, like i can give my point of view. He can do it, but he can't come on trollbox and be happy of spamming ;)
[2016-04-12 12:04:09] miramm1115 : Teddy76: it's fixed now
[2016-04-12 13:26:33] habibi : micmix: what was the amount of contrats on okc @november/december?
[2016-04-12 13:37:44] habibi : and whats ur sentiment if u dont mind sharing
[2016-04-12 14:40:42] podizzle3k : is there a way to reset to default layout
[2016-04-12 14:40:51] podizzle3k : i dont like my customizations heh
[2016-04-12 14:41:52] podizzle3k : nm i found it
[2016-04-12 14:54:19] zippy1day : If there is a MOD here can u please fix XBU chart its not loading?
[2016-04-12 14:56:18] BitMEX_Sam : zippy1day: I've seen that happen occasionally - best way to fix it is to refresh
[2016-04-12 14:56:27] BitMEX_Sam : It appears to be a bug in the chart code, I've been trying to trace it down
[2016-04-12 14:56:41] zippy1day : done that not working
[2016-04-12 14:57:04] BitMEX_Sam : Is the loading indicator just going endlessly, or do you see an empty box
[2016-04-12 14:57:32] zippy1day : its going round endlessly driving me nuts LOL
[2016-04-12 14:58:08] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. I'm not seeing any errors. Which browser?
[2016-04-12 14:58:39] zippy1day : Chrome
[2016-04-12 14:59:05] BitMEX_Sam : Does it work on other contracts?
[2016-04-12 14:59:08] sleger : same
[2016-04-12 14:59:18] sleger : works for nothing
[2016-04-12 14:59:30] BitMEX_Sam : Try a hard refresh, ctrl(or cmd if mac)+shift+r
[2016-04-12 14:59:44] zippy1day : same on XBT
[2016-04-12 14:59:49] sleger : still same
[2016-04-12 15:00:16] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. The browser must be caching the containing iframe.
[2016-04-12 15:00:30] sleger : i closed the tab and reopened, same
[2016-04-12 15:00:35] BitMEX_Sam : Try holding ctrl and hitting the reload button in the menu
[2016-04-12 15:01:16] BitMEX_Sam : if that doesn't work, I have an idea that will force it - will just need a few minutes
[2016-04-12 15:01:31] sleger : that s same as ctrl refresh and it doesnt work
[2016-04-12 15:08:55] BitMEX_Sam : Okay. I'm working on a fix that will bust the cache. In the meantime, you can hit the minimize button (basic layout) or simply resize the chart down to nearly nothing (advanced layout)
[2016-04-12 15:09:00] BitMEX_Sam : I'll let you guys know when I have something.
[2016-04-12 15:12:28] wurstgelee : also broken in opera
[2016-04-12 15:12:31] wurstgelee : ff works
[2016-04-12 15:14:04] BitMEX_Sam : Okay. Could one of you with a broken chart try https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBU7D
[2016-04-12 15:15:36] zippy1day : Tried it so wot now
[2016-04-12 15:16:12] BitMEX_Sam : Do you see the chart?
[2016-04-12 15:16:21] zippy1day : no just message
[2016-04-12 15:16:44] BitMEX_Sam : What message?
[2016-04-12 15:16:56] BitMEX_Sam : Ah sorry -
[2016-04-12 15:16:56] zippy1day : that ur working on it
[2016-04-12 15:16:57] BitMEX_Sam : hang on
[2016-04-12 15:21:15] BitMEX_Sam : zippy1day: Okay - please try the same link again
[2016-04-12 15:23:18] zippy1day : yes the chart on that link but not my page
[2016-04-12 15:23:48] BitMEX_Sam : Okay. Just a second to bring that fix here.
[2016-04-12 15:29:14] BitMEX_Sam : zippy1day: Okay, please try a refresh here.
[2016-04-12 15:29:58] zippy1day : Yes thanks I have a chart
[2016-04-12 15:30:43] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: :tada:
[2016-04-12 15:30:48] BitMEX_Sam : Great.
[2016-04-12 15:39:56] sleger : works as well
[2016-04-12 16:03:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 30 @ 0.01779
[2016-04-12 16:12:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.01755
[2016-04-12 16:19:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 120 @ 0.01745
[2016-04-12 16:19:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.01748
[2016-04-12 16:31:04] rapidtrades : new lows for shitcoin
[2016-04-12 16:31:33] habibi : yep, ddos every time it goes down right now and its off when there is pull back
[2016-04-12 16:32:00] rapidtrades : what are u trying to say hajibi
[2016-04-12 16:32:31] habibi : that there is ddos going on to prevent people from selling coz they unable to do it during it
[2016-04-12 16:33:16] rentchev : nah
[2016-04-12 16:33:27] rentchev : that's just conspiracy talk :-)
[2016-04-12 16:33:52] rapidtrades : habibi: i wouldn't put that past the russians
[2016-04-12 16:34:19] habibi : rentchev: why?
[2016-04-12 16:34:21] rapidtrades : this pre-mined garbage is still worth 500mil...way too much
[2016-04-12 16:35:23] rapidtrades : sry still at 600
[2016-04-12 16:36:11] rapidtrades : eth that coin that wasn't
[2016-04-12 16:36:56] rapidtrades : no daily charts? wtf bitmex
[2016-04-12 16:37:34] rapidtrades : don't skimp out on us
[2016-04-12 17:04:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 120 @ 0.01823
[2016-04-12 17:12:08] wurstgelee : thanks for fixing charts ;)
[2016-04-12 17:42:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 43 @ 0.01759
[2016-04-12 17:44:29] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: What do you mean, no daily charts?
[2016-04-12 17:53:07] woodygar : charts were not working a few hours ago, fine now
[2016-04-12 17:59:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 60 @ 0.01762
[2016-04-12 18:01:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 230 @ 0.01772
[2016-04-12 18:08:55] viptrader : hey @BitMEX_Sam , is there a chance we will see ETHXBT trading with no time limits?
[2016-04-12 18:11:16] sleger : you can already trade 24/7
[2016-04-12 18:11:57] nip : viptrader: no chance
[2016-04-12 18:12:11] viptrader : nip: why not
[2016-04-12 18:12:25] nip : no spot trading here
[2016-04-12 18:12:27] viptrader : sleger: 1broker had some with btc and forex trading
[2016-04-12 18:12:48] viptrader : would love to see it on bitmex too
[2016-04-12 18:12:50] BitMEX_Sam : We actually do have something interesting in the pipeline - we'll make an announcement when it's closer to being finished
[2016-04-12 18:13:38] viptrader : BitMEX_Sam: any spot? :)
[2016-04-12 18:14:01] BitMEX_Sam : Can't say yet, until it's complete :)
[2016-04-12 18:14:23] viptrader : BitMEX_Sam: ok :)
[2016-04-12 18:14:28] viptrader : goodluck
[2016-04-12 18:19:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 201 @ 0.01702
[2016-04-12 18:19:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 60 @ 0.01712
[2016-04-12 18:20:11] rapidtrades : dam 24/7 forex would be nice
[2016-04-12 18:23:04] rapidtrades : oanda used to do it at a prohibitive spread but shut it down few years ago during the greek crisis
[2016-04-12 18:23:13] rapidtrades : right when u need it most ofc :)
[2016-04-12 18:23:48] nip : rapidtrades: thats a cfd not futures
[2016-04-12 18:24:11] nip : rapidtrades: im sure they charged a daily carry fee
[2016-04-12 18:24:28] rapidtrades : nip: what are u talking about...im talking about spot forex
[2016-04-12 18:24:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 400 @ 0.01688
[2016-04-12 18:24:50] nip : with the broker as your counterparty?
[2016-04-12 18:25:07] rapidtrades : yeah oanda was the counter-party yes
[2016-04-12 18:25:07] nip : and im still sure they charged a daily carry fee
[2016-04-12 18:26:12] rapidtrades : carry in forex is charged usually on the currency with the lower rate....its not that much tbh if ur playing both sides
[2016-04-12 18:26:30] rapidtrades : i usually cos now with negative rates its a bit more murky
[2016-04-12 18:26:32] sleger : i dont think he knows what he is saying when he says "carry fee"
[2016-04-12 18:26:49] rapidtrades : oh,,,spot forex never expires
[2016-04-12 18:26:53] nip : sleger: i mean the spread they charge over what the interest rate difference should be
[2016-04-12 18:27:03] nip : im not a big fan of those casino forex dealers
[2016-04-12 18:27:12] rapidtrades : yes they pocked a small % of the interest diff
[2016-04-12 18:27:46] sleger : some charge/pay the same to long / shorts so there's not necessary a fee. Dont remember what oanda does
[2016-04-12 18:28:07] sleger : this has nothing to do with weekends in particular anyways
[2016-04-12 18:28:12] rapidtrades : sleger: not in retail...is that the case higher up?
[2016-04-12 18:28:29] nip : sleger: that seems like a strange practice. why not use them for a long term currency trade then?
[2016-04-12 18:28:59] sleger : because there's no arb possible
[2016-04-12 18:29:03] rapidtrades : i have no clue what ur getting at sir @nip
[2016-04-12 18:29:12] sleger : i think he doesnt really either
[2016-04-12 18:29:58] nip : i never truly know what im talking about
[2016-04-12 18:30:21] rapidtrades : clearly
[2016-04-12 18:30:31] sleger : you're the one who mentioned arcade city yesterday right ?
[2016-04-12 18:30:41] nip : of course
[2016-04-12 18:30:46] nip : im your go to eth guy
[2016-04-12 18:30:51] sleger : i'm meeting the CEO later this week
[2016-04-12 18:31:00] nip : very cool
[2016-04-12 18:31:07] sleger : maybe will invest
[2016-04-12 18:32:04] nip : i wonder if it will work in places where they regulate uber
[2016-04-12 18:32:12] nip : since there is not a party to legally find at fault
[2016-04-12 18:32:35] sleger : they still plan to take a fee so there is a party, their company
[2016-04-12 18:37:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 400 @ 0.01718
[2016-04-12 18:38:16] nip : i thought if it is run as a DAO and the drivers can sign themselves up it would solve that problem
[2016-04-12 18:38:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 150 @ 0.01724
[2016-04-12 18:38:50] nip : REKT: RIP: bottom shorters
[2016-04-12 18:38:54] sleger : I'll know more in a few days
[2016-04-12 18:39:21] nip : i suspect you're a fairly good judge of such things
[2016-04-12 18:39:27] nip : good luck with that meeting
[2016-04-12 18:41:02] sleger : investment in such early startups has always a huge part of luck ...
[2016-04-12 18:41:12] sleger : that's why you diversify
[2016-04-12 18:41:55] viptrader : ETH DUMPP
[2016-04-12 18:42:12] nip : luck is a word of interesting semantics
[2016-04-12 18:49:09] mpkomara : ROFL ETH
[2016-04-12 18:49:24] mpkomara : i LOVE shitcoins
[2016-04-12 18:50:05] rapidtrades : looks like heavy buying here...god damit
[2016-04-12 18:50:18] rapidtrades : GIVE UP THE DREAM FEGS
[2016-04-12 18:52:09] BitMEX_Sam : Arcade City is a very cool startup
[2016-04-12 18:52:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 16 @ 0.01709
[2016-04-12 18:56:56] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: u know whhat else is cool? designing a better UI
[2016-04-12 18:59:11] nip : rapidtrades: cant tell if that is a compliment
[2016-04-12 18:59:15] rentchev : Agreed BitMEX_Sam, I would love to see more startups like this one
[2016-04-12 19:00:31] rentchev : where can I see the low and high for a contract for today (last 24 H)
[2016-04-12 19:00:48] rapidtrades : nip: it is, I'm complimenting his future work ethic
[2016-04-12 19:31:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 14 @ 425.70
[2016-04-12 19:31:21] atodorov07 : BitMEX_Sam: are you here?
[2016-04-12 19:31:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 81 @ 425.61
[2016-04-12 19:31:29] BitMEX_Sam : atodorov07: Yeah, I'm here
[2016-04-12 19:31:46] atodorov07 : I want to ask, if I open a position with a longer expiry date
[2016-04-12 19:31:51] atodorov07 : say 30 sep
[2016-04-12 19:32:15] atodorov07 : does my wallet balance get recalculated every month? or at 30 sep
[2016-04-12 19:34:52] nip : atodorov07: every friday i think
[2016-04-12 19:35:09] rentchev : yes every Friday
[2016-04-12 19:35:14] nip : every day would be nice though im sick of withheld profit
[2016-04-12 19:35:21] BitMEX_Sam : atodorov07: Your wallet balance doesn't include unrealised PNL, but every Friday at rebalance, withheld profit is converted to unrealised profit, and unrealised profit is converted to realised
[2016-04-12 19:35:31] BitMEX_Sam : So effectively withheld profit because realised profit
[2016-04-12 19:35:38] nip : withheld profit + unrealized loss = margin call
[2016-04-12 19:35:42] atodorov07 : hmmm
[2016-04-12 19:36:04] atodorov07 : thanks
[2016-04-12 19:36:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 469 @ 0.01745
[2016-04-12 19:36:22] BitMEX_Sam : nip: If you're on multiple contracts, yes, that's possible - the reasoning being, if there were a massive DPE on the contract you had profit on, you would not actually have the money to cover that loss
[2016-04-12 19:36:59] BitMEX_Sam : We do have a system that calculates maximum possible loss based on realised pnl across a contract and unlocks up to 50% of users' withheld profit daily.
[2016-04-12 19:37:39] BitMEX_Sam : That's mentioned at https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#contract-settlement-rebalance - but it only occurs when the system has detected that it is safe to do so
[2016-04-12 19:37:41] nip : yeah i noticed at least some of the withheld was being used
[2016-04-12 19:38:02] nip : i wish i could use it all as maint margin even if i cant cash it out
[2016-04-12 19:39:24] nip : i get your reasoning. more frequent rebalances would help though
[2016-04-12 19:42:52] habibi : i like how it is tbh
[2016-04-12 19:42:55] BitMEX_Sam : Agreed, the issue is that longer periods help prevent DPE
[2016-04-12 19:43:07] BitMEX_Sam : If we rebalanced daily, it's more likely that a loss would stick and users would lose out
[2016-04-12 19:44:04] BitMEX_Sam : It's a spectrum; consider automatic deleveraging as a continuous rebalance, and our system as weekly; the reasoning for weekly being that the general trend is for the insurance fund to grow, so we want to give the system some time to recoup its losses if there are any
[2016-04-12 19:45:16] nip : BitMEX_Sam: a problem with long periods is: if there is a dpe and i do not have a position, i will not open one until the dpe disappears
[2016-04-12 19:45:27] viptrader : eth moon
[2016-04-12 19:45:37] nip : i would be opening myself to reduced profits and full sized losses
[2016-04-12 19:47:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 40 @ 0.01795
[2016-04-12 19:50:33] nip : what i mean is the longer periods reduce dpe likelihood and size by making people with profit during nonvolatile periods subsidize those with profit during periods generating dpe
[2016-04-12 19:50:42] nip : insurance fund seems like a more fair way to reduce dpe
[2016-04-12 19:51:34] rapidtrades : nip: please shut up
[2016-04-12 19:51:48] nip : rapidtrades: i have no idea what im actually talking about
[2016-04-12 19:51:51] donkey : lol
[2016-04-12 19:52:17] podizzle3k : heehaw
[2016-04-12 19:52:21] BitMEX_Sam : nip: Right, the point is that with the DPE% publicly listed, the market should adapt its pricing with the built-in risk of profit loss
[2016-04-12 19:52:33] viptrader : ETH MOON LOL
[2016-04-12 19:52:49] podizzle3k : slow your roll buddy its down 15% on the day
[2016-04-12 19:53:48] rapidtrades : podizzle3k: surprised by how fast eth has fallen...maybe the big wigs are finally cashing out
[2016-04-12 19:54:10] rapidtrades : they used to support it...now seems like no support at all
[2016-04-12 19:54:41] podizzle3k : my theory is the buyers are done buying
[2016-04-12 19:54:49] podizzle3k : they took their eth and went home
[2016-04-12 19:54:59] podizzle3k : and the people who sold them the eth took their btc and went home
[2016-04-12 19:55:40] podizzle3k : did you see that supposed poloniex wallet address
[2016-04-12 19:55:50] rapidtrades : podizzle3k: that's brillliant
[2016-04-12 19:55:57] rapidtrades : so basically everyone is at home now
[2016-04-12 19:55:58] podizzle3k : https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=17irB8xLxhVRerCoUyypnmpoak3QBpVp2z
[2016-04-12 19:56:04] podizzle3k : that tells the story
[2016-04-12 19:56:14] podizzle3k : well not everyone is at home
[2016-04-12 19:56:42] podizzle3k : the bagholders are still there
[2016-04-12 19:58:03] podizzle3k : but not the whale buyers. im thinking that was an institution
[2016-04-12 19:58:57] podizzle3k : wrong word lol
[2016-04-12 20:00:25] podizzle3k : or is it institution.. for some reason i just keep thinking of the looney bin
[2016-04-12 20:01:58] rapidtrades : goldman?
[2016-04-12 20:02:11] rapidtrades : THE SQUID DONE DID IT!!!!!!1111
[2016-04-12 20:09:19] Mangalica : Sam, are you here?
[2016-04-12 20:10:00] Mangalica : I just got an email about a "large number of errors being transmitted from my client"
[2016-04-12 20:10:13] BitMEX_Sam : Yes
[2016-04-12 20:10:15] BitMEX_Sam : That was me
[2016-04-12 20:11:06] Mangalica : So how can I help? I'm not doing anything extra, i just have the page open in FF (which is not always 100% stable)
[2016-04-12 20:11:39] BitMEX_Sam : Sure - just let me know if you see that full-page modal again, and if you do, what you were doing before it happened
[2016-04-12 20:12:03] BitMEX_Sam : I'm seeing an infinite recursion bug, which is difficult to diagnose without the full stack trace, which unfortunately Firefox won't send
[2016-04-12 20:12:05] Mangalica : Also I didn't get any messages about this on the page. Or at least not recently.
[2016-04-12 20:12:15] BitMEX_Sam : Really - nothing today?
[2016-04-12 20:12:37] Mangalica : Nothing but i did have to refresh the page due to the site not being responsive.
[2016-04-12 20:12:50] BitMEX_Sam : Ah, yes, that was the issue
[2016-04-12 20:13:04] BitMEX_Sam : Do you recall what you were doing beforehand? Or was it just sitting?
[2016-04-12 20:14:33] Mangalica : Well i only noticed it when i clicked buy or sell, so i might have clicked that a couple of times (i size my positions by multiples of x). After i've seen no effect i refreshed.
[2016-04-12 20:15:13] BitMEX_Sam : Okay. I'll do some debugging in Firefox and see if I can reproduce the issue.
[2016-04-12 20:15:36] Mangalica : It might have frozen already while sitting though. If i had to bet i'd say it was frozen already, so take that into account.
[2016-04-12 20:15:38] BitMEX_Sam : In general I've seen much better performance and reliability from Webkit-based browsers like Chrome/Chromium/Opera.
[2016-04-12 20:16:10] Mangalica : Yeah FF is a pain in general, I don't know why i keep using it as my main. I put all charting and other stuff on Opera/Chrome already
[2016-04-12 20:16:47] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. It seems rendering performance has gotten even worse in the last few releases
[2016-04-12 20:16:54] Mangalica : Will probably move the rest of the "mission critical" stuff over to those as well.
[2016-04-12 20:16:58] BitMEX_Sam : I've been profiling the site on FF and nearly 70% of the time is spent in paint
[2016-04-12 20:17:17] BitMEX_Sam : Simplifying the site's styles doesn't seem to help significantly, either. Something odd about it
[2016-04-12 20:17:56] cryptokeeper : why isnt mark price updating
[2016-04-12 20:18:06] cryptokeeper : oh there we go... nevermind
[2016-04-12 20:18:06] BitMEX_Sam : cryptokeeper: Which contract?
[2016-04-12 20:18:09] cryptokeeper : ETH7D
[2016-04-12 20:18:36] Mangalica : The main Bitfinex interface, for example, will lead to 25% CPU use, two gigs of mem use and a crash within hours (at best) in Firefox. Irrespective of whether it's active or not, etc
[2016-04-12 20:18:59] BitMEX_Sam : Mangalica: Wow, that's crazy.
[2016-04-12 20:19:18] BitMEX_Sam : I wouldn't be surprised if we did too - I do a lot of work to keep our memory usage in check, but the browser has some responsibility as well
[2016-04-12 20:19:31] BitMEX_Sam : cryptokeeper: Could be the polo API being slow, it usually is
[2016-04-12 20:19:48] Mangalica : Should probably report it to them but I'm resigned to the fact that FF simply turned to shit. Reinstalled it, added only needed add-ons... doesn't matter.
[2016-04-12 20:20:02] cryptokeeper : where do you get your BTC price from now? you guys are using an index price or something now?
[2016-04-12 20:20:43] BitMEX_Sam : cryptokeeper: It's from Tradeblock (https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/)
[2016-04-12 20:21:04] BitMEX_Sam : On the 29th, we're changing to Kaiko, which is similar but has static weightings set every month by an open formula
[2016-04-12 20:21:23] cryptokeeper : right... that is what it was
[2016-04-12 20:21:25] BitMEX_Sam : Mangalica: That's too bad, I very much like the idea and development behind FF, but it has definitely gotten worse in recent months
[2016-04-12 20:21:39] BitMEX_Sam : Hoping Servo will save their market share
[2016-04-12 20:22:26] cryptokeeper : the spreads are retardo on ETH7D lol
[2016-04-12 20:22:38] cryptokeeper : if you market buy you get auto-filled in a horrible position
[2016-04-12 20:22:51] habibi : there was few moments today that we got better spread then polo ;D
[2016-04-12 20:23:03] BitMEX_Sam : It ebbs and flows
[2016-04-12 20:23:06] cryptokeeper : like next one in is 1712
[2016-04-12 20:24:05] Mangalica : Last time i checked Opera had a HUGE memory leak that was "triggered" by Bitcoinwisdom. It ended up using up to 1gig of memory PER TAB. So had to revert to v.31something and manually kill the auto-update feature.
[2016-04-12 20:24:43] nip : this is the only tab i have ever had a memory leak problem with
[2016-04-12 20:24:47] nip : the chart was to blame
[2016-04-12 20:25:09] Mangalica : Reported it a couple of times to Opera but nothing was done about it. Not before v.35 or 36 anyway, since I haven't tested those.
[2016-04-12 20:31:25] cryptokeeper : so looking at this right now... if i were to market buy on ETH7D
[2016-04-12 20:31:32] cryptokeeper : 161 contracts... i would get filled at 1702
[2016-04-12 20:31:43] cryptokeeper : errr market sell sorry
[2016-04-12 20:32:12] cryptokeeper : oh it changed again... now up to 1701....
[2016-04-12 20:32:26] Mangalica : The MM is just trying to stay alive with all this volatility. :P
[2016-04-12 20:33:11] sleger : cryptokeeper: do you want to sell i can make you a price at 1720 ?
[2016-04-12 20:33:30] cryptokeeper : i dont want my entry price to be 1720
[2016-04-12 20:33:35] cryptokeeper : its at 1755 right now
[2016-04-12 20:34:03] sleger : so just wait to miss the boat
[2016-04-12 20:34:05] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:06] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:12] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:13] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:19] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:25] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:26] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:27] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:28] habibi : ok ok
[2016-04-12 20:34:30] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:36] cryptokeeper : ok mangalica enough
[2016-04-12 20:34:37] sleger : ban
[2016-04-12 20:34:39] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:40] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:40] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:42] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:42] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:43] habibi : understood
[2016-04-12 20:34:44] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:47] habibi : totally agree
[2016-04-12 20:34:48] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:48] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:49] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:50] cryptokeeper : bye bye Mangalica
[2016-04-12 20:34:54] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:34:54] Mangalica : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:35:05] habibi : his browser is shitting
[2016-04-12 20:35:28] cryptokeeper : chrome
[2016-04-12 20:35:35] Mangalica : yeah
[2016-04-12 20:35:43] habibi : try vivaldi
[2016-04-12 20:35:54] Mangalica : sorry about that, this was the last straw for FF
[2016-04-12 20:36:05] Mangalica : brb
[2016-04-12 20:36:36] cryptokeeper : heh
[2016-04-12 20:37:37] Mangalica : on Opera now
[2016-04-12 20:42:10] Mangalica : and now on Brave
[2016-04-12 20:49:20] podizzle3k : hey guys
[2016-04-12 20:49:23] podizzle3k : did you know
[2016-04-12 20:49:25] podizzle3k : casual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree
[2016-04-12 20:50:29] habibi : i am not sure, u trying to say that asual 10% swings in 15 mins and all are the norm on ETH ree?
[2016-04-12 20:50:36] nip : causal 15% swigs inn 10 mins are all and the norm on ree ETH
[2016-04-12 20:51:00] podizzle3k : im using firefox without issue btw
[2016-04-12 20:51:23] podizzle3k : had to get off the dev build recently but been working ok since
[2016-04-12 20:53:39] Mangalica : FF is the sick man among browsers on my computer. Win7 64bit, a couple of security and privacy extensions installed, maybe that's the reason.
[2016-04-12 20:55:44] nip : anyone up for some factum trading?
[2016-04-12 20:55:59] habibi : u wanna sell or buy?
[2016-04-12 20:56:04] nip : habibi: dont care
[2016-04-12 20:56:52] habibi : so trade with urself
[2016-04-12 20:57:03] nip : no position that way
[2016-04-12 20:57:14] yerb : any bitmex ppl here?
[2016-04-12 21:30:26] Samirum : yerb: yeah
[2016-04-12 21:42:24] BitMEX_Greg : yerb: hi Yerb, anything I can help with?
[2016-04-12 21:45:52] cryptokeeper : ETH7D is untradable... lol
[2016-04-12 21:46:06] cryptokeeper : should I just leave my bitcoins at the door?
[2016-04-12 21:46:21] nip : cryptokeeper: just trade factums with me instead
[2016-04-12 21:46:37] cryptokeeper : nah
[2016-04-12 21:52:14] rentchev : what do you mean cryptokeeper?
[2016-04-12 21:52:25] rentchev : I made 3 trades today on ETH7D
[2016-04-12 21:58:32] cryptokeeper : look at the spreads... they are redic
[2016-04-12 21:59:34] nip : in the top left you can change "Place Market Order" to "Place Limit Order"
[2016-04-12 21:59:40] nip : i do that when i dont want to cross the spread
[2016-04-12 21:59:57] BitMEX_Sam : We're seeing major feed lag from poloniex, would figure that anyone trading/hedging there is having a bad time
[2016-04-12 22:01:13] cryptokeeper : i bet
[2016-04-12 22:24:15] cryptokeeper : BitMEX_Sam: you know what i call poloniex now???
[2016-04-12 22:24:24] BitMEX_Sam : Lagoniex?
[2016-04-12 22:24:25] cryptokeeper : LAGIONEX
[2016-04-12 22:24:37] cryptokeeper : LELLOLLELLAGIONEX