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[2016-03-29 01:47:23] fruitdealer : works
[2016-03-29 01:47:43] fruitdealer : but ... =BitMexAsk("XBT24H", 0) doesn't
[2016-03-29 01:47:57] fruitdealer : been hitting F9 like no 2moro
[2016-03-29 01:47:57] BitMEX_Arthur : What about =BitMexAsk("XBT24H")
[2016-03-29 01:48:26] fruitdealer : nope, that doesn't work
[2016-03-29 01:49:04] BitMEX_Arthur : ok that plugin hasn't been worked on for a while, i'll have to get someone to update it, i suggest using the google sheets one for now, it's not real time but better than nothing
[2016-03-29 04:09:51] viptrader : why people buying ETH here when they can buy it at 0.016 tomorrow
[2016-03-29 04:09:59] viptrader : tomrrow*
[2016-03-29 04:11:46] viptrader : ?
[2016-03-29 05:25:28] BitMEX_Wally : viptrader: If you can buy it at 0.016 then why are you not shorting the future all the way down?
[2016-03-29 05:29:14] BitMEX_Wally : That's a 41% return, or 1024% return with leverage...
[2016-03-29 05:45:09] cengel : Hi Wally, currently Affiliate links are hanging on "Please Wait..." with testnet logo showing
[2016-03-29 05:53:17] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: Thanks for letting us know, looks like we've broken something
[2016-03-29 05:53:47] cengel : No worries
[2016-03-29 09:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 7200 @ 421.39
[2016-03-29 09:28:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 288 @ 421.14
[2016-03-29 09:28:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3000 @ 420.79
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2316 @ 420.51
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1500 @ 420.40
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 242 @ 420.44
[2016-03-29 09:32:56] habibi : hello folks
[2016-03-29 10:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4032 @ 420.04
[2016-03-29 10:52:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 417 @ 419.78
[2016-03-29 10:54:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4472 @ 419.69
[2016-03-29 10:54:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 333 @ 421.63
[2016-03-29 10:59:57] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-03-29 10:59:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 422 @ 419.97
[2016-03-29 11:27:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 400 @ 0.02746
[2016-03-29 11:28:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 74 @ 0.02758
[2016-03-29 11:31:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 200 @ 0.02788
[2016-03-29 11:49:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 373 @ 418.26
[2016-03-29 11:49:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 7000 @ 418.00
[2016-03-29 11:50:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1000 @ 417.68
[2016-03-29 11:57:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 9000 @ 416.02
[2016-03-29 12:00:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 20 @ 475.01
[2016-03-29 12:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1525 @ 414.30
[2016-03-29 12:02:06] tscha : hahahaha
[2016-03-29 12:02:07] rapidtrades : any news?
[2016-03-29 12:02:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 156 @ 411.96
[2016-03-29 12:03:02] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-03-29 12:03:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 3456 @ 468.87
[2016-03-29 12:03:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 45 @ 408.50
[2016-03-29 12:03:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 8500 @ 407.33
[2016-03-29 12:03:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 896 @ 535.16
[2016-03-29 12:09:17] mrp1nk : party time
[2016-03-29 12:11:49] rapidtrades : HONK HOONK
[2016-03-29 12:17:12] Mangalica : big triangle still intact, party time will be if we break down
[2016-03-29 12:18:08] rapidtrades : shut up feg
[2016-03-29 12:18:12] mrp1nk : Mangalica: i agree. but this drop was surely painful
[2016-03-29 12:19:44] rapidtrades : i got suckered into a long too
[2016-03-29 12:19:53] atodorov07 : im buyin
[2016-03-29 12:19:59] rapidtrades : same pattern as on Christmas, pushing up on light volume followed by reversal
[2016-03-29 12:21:36] Mangalica : mrp1nk yeah people who bought the breakout earlier got rekt
[2016-03-29 12:31:52] rapidtrades : #backtowork trending on twitter
[2016-03-29 12:32:13] rapidtrades : keep up the grind plebs
[2016-03-29 12:38:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 6866 @ 413.66
[2016-03-29 12:40:34] Mangalica : timing is everything
[2016-03-29 12:51:50] laisee : ETH gonna fly now ...
[2016-03-29 13:02:17] zanza : wooooosh
[2016-03-29 13:54:07] splash : this latest action in btc... man it smells like manipulation. stoploss hunting and what not
[2016-03-29 13:54:34] splash : not bitmex futs related, im talking the exhcnages here
[2016-03-29 13:54:39] splash : anyone disagree?
[2016-03-29 13:55:47] splash : sl hunting before breakout of triangle to be specific
[2016-03-29 14:02:13] sleger : making market move 3-5% is not gonna trigger any stop
[2016-03-29 14:03:00] j8 : it's clear that some people are overleveraged in situations like this, and other people profit from their capitulation, stops/liquidations... i dunno when you call it manipulation
[2016-03-29 14:11:51] j8 : sleger: looks like over 40k contracts liquidated on okc quarterly. that counts
[2016-03-29 14:13:22] sleger : j8: yes indeed, thats true
[2016-03-29 14:13:56] sleger : but any 10+ point move down is always called manipulation it's just ridiculous
[2016-03-29 14:15:40] splash : sleger: u got a point there
[2016-03-29 14:15:43] j8 : agreed, it's just a little long squeeze for people on 20x
[2016-03-29 14:16:16] splash : do u agree that is has to do with the narrowing of the trading channel?
[2016-03-29 14:16:46] laisee : normal rekkage @ okc ... keeps people on their toes
[2016-03-29 14:17:20] sleger : splash: i dont believe in trading channels or most TA for that matter, they never work
[2016-03-29 14:17:50] splash : sleger: ok then i understand ur viewpoint
[2016-03-29 14:18:08] sleger : even in tier 1 banks (GS ...) chartists dont have trading book
[2016-03-29 14:18:28] sleger : they just make graphs that look cute to get clients into trading either way so the bank can collect the fee
[2016-03-29 14:19:30] splash : sleger: i understand why some people dont believe in ta
[2016-03-29 14:20:10] splash : actually i dont believe in TA as a prediction of future events, but I believe in it as a way to calc odds
[2016-03-29 14:20:18] sleger : and I wonder why some do ? none of the top hedge funds consistently profitable use it, none of the high freq prop shops that make money all the time use it ....
[2016-03-29 14:21:32] splash : sleger: i think ta is useful since ive been able to make money using it. i can only speak for myself. i can c why people who dont profit from using ta dont use it and also why some people that dont trade profitable continue using it
[2016-03-29 14:22:36] sleger : but if you take 100 monkeys and give them buy and sell keys, probably ~45 will make some kind of positive money as long as they cant hit it too often
[2016-03-29 14:23:13] j8 : i don't like lines on charts, i like some indicators though. not to say anything definitive but just to see the data in a different way
[2016-03-29 14:23:31] splash : sleger: yes its true. when i was doing algo trading i did a random "monkey" trading strategy that confirms this
[2016-03-29 14:24:08] sleger : so maybe it s just 45 monkeys that think they made money thanks to TA that are still using it
[2016-03-29 14:25:04] splash : sleger: i have not way of proving that this is not so. but that in itself is not proof that it doesnt work
[2016-03-29 14:25:24] splash : sleger: so as long as i make more money then what i loose, why change the strategy?
[2016-03-29 14:25:44] sleger : no but the fact that none of the highly successful HF firms dont and none of the top quant hedge funds dont is more so (at least to me)
[2016-03-29 14:26:07] splash : sleger: i dont believe that u have access to this kind of information
[2016-03-29 14:26:17] sleger : I do though
[2016-03-29 14:26:21] splash : lol
[2016-03-29 14:26:29] splash : thats funny
[2016-03-29 14:26:49] sleger : as I've worked for some of them, manage a profitable HF desk and have friends in some of the top hedge funds that manage 1bn$ portfolios
[2016-03-29 14:27:47] splash : even if that were true, does that give you insight into ALL succefull hedge funds of this world?
[2016-03-29 14:28:14] j8 : splash: a lot of strategies seem to work for a while, then fail big time when the market changes. so if it's working for you, just make sure you're taking out profits as you go. and be ready to adapt
[2016-03-29 14:28:19] sleger : no not all, but that's sufficient to me, that any of those would laugh at you if you mention TA
[2016-03-29 14:28:48] rapidtrades : depends what u mean by TA...if u look at the definition, any start that use past data to predict future events is TA
[2016-03-29 14:29:03] sleger : sorry by TA i mean chartists
[2016-03-29 14:29:20] sleger : as j8 said, people who make lines on graphs
[2016-03-29 14:30:06] sleger : all those people exist in banks, and no trader even look at their emails, it's only to give to clients so they feel like they receive a special service and to make them trade more so that the bank can collect fees
[2016-03-29 14:32:09] j8 : tradingview chat would love to hear that
[2016-03-29 14:32:18] mpkomara : TA IS A JOKE ROFL
[2016-03-29 14:33:23] mpkomara : MATHS FTW
[2016-03-29 14:34:00] rapidtrades : again depends what u mean by chartists....some ''lines'' do matter
[2016-03-29 14:34:35] sleger : yes actually 2 of them, the x axis and the y axis
[2016-03-29 14:34:44] mpkomara : LOL
[2016-03-29 14:35:37] rapidtrades : the 00 or 50 are good example
[2016-03-29 14:37:06] sleger : the grid is useful sometimes too indeed
[2016-03-29 14:37:15] Johnny1989 : how to close a trade ?
[2016-03-29 14:37:35] sleger : reverse buy or sell
[2016-03-29 14:38:01] Johnny1989 : thank u
[2016-03-29 14:38:39] mpkomara : "ERRR theres a teacup head and shoulders possible break 70 rsi MACD tiering up near the top bollinger band"
[2016-03-29 14:38:41] mpkomara : god i hate chartists
[2016-03-29 14:39:26] rapidtrades : the only thing i use these days are horizontal lines...no channels/patterns or triangles
[2016-03-29 14:40:01] rapidtrades : even trend lines are dubious and rarely useful
[2016-03-29 14:40:47] mpkomara : none of its useful
[2016-03-29 14:41:00] mpkomara : math is useful
[2016-03-29 14:41:17] rapidtrades : mpkomara: what do u know about math feg
[2016-03-29 14:41:37] mpkomara : a lot HONK HONK
[2016-03-29 14:41:46] rapidtrades : mpkomara: like what....
[2016-03-29 14:42:04] sleger : I bet he doesnt know about 11=14?
[2016-03-29 14:42:07] mpkomara : i don't feel a need to explain further
[2016-03-29 14:42:09] splash : sleger: what do they use if not lines?
[2016-03-29 14:42:22] sleger : splash: algos, stats ...
[2016-03-29 14:42:37] splash : sleger: but stochastic prosses doesnt work either
[2016-03-29 14:42:42] rapidtrades : sleger: stats based on what tho
[2016-03-29 14:42:55] splash : yes exactly
[2016-03-29 14:42:58] rapidtrades : u have to plug in smth to look for
[2016-03-29 14:43:01] sleger : splash: i think you're mixing things up completely now if you mention "stochastic process"
[2016-03-29 14:43:13] mpkomara : dont tell them anything sleger
[2016-03-29 14:43:29] splash : sleger: perhaps i did. but what kind of stats are u thinking about then?
[2016-03-29 14:44:07] sleger : splash: no i dont think you do, and this is a full time job that not many people have the capability / knowledge / education to do anyways
[2016-03-29 14:44:17] mpkomara : i <3 quanto futures!
[2016-03-29 14:44:17] splash : lo
[2016-03-29 14:44:34] splash : sleger: lol youre basically full of it :)
[2016-03-29 14:44:48] splash : wouldnt be too surprised if u tried to sell something to me soon
[2016-03-29 14:45:17] sleger : sure : i'll give you 1 doge if you stop typing in the chat for 1 year, want to buy in ?
[2016-03-29 14:45:19] mpkomara : hes not full of it
[2016-03-29 14:45:58] splash : sleger: ur wasting my time so tell u what. im going to ignore you forever for free. bye
[2016-03-29 14:46:04] mpkomara : 99.9% of people in here are literally flipping coins trying to spin up some cryptos
[2016-03-29 14:46:06] rapidtrades : unless u go full on data mining, u have to tell the computer to look for things....could be daily high/low/close etc...or moving average or volume or whatever
[2016-03-29 14:46:22] rapidtrades : most of this stuff shows up on a chart
[2016-03-29 14:46:30] mpkomara : its not worth his time or ANYONES time to explain how math is paramount in trading
[2016-03-29 14:46:58] rapidtrades : we all use math u nitwit
[2016-03-29 14:47:02] mpkomara : ROFL ROFL yeah sure lemme get some moving averages on my chart thats what i need
[2016-03-29 14:47:06] mpkomara : gettemmmmm
[2016-03-29 14:47:35] sleger : i guess it's normal that people refuse to believe that whatever they have been trusting for so long doesnt work, especially if they were part of the lucky 45 monkeys
[2016-03-29 14:48:52] rapidtrades : there's plenty of research across many markets that some parts of TA work
[2016-03-29 14:49:06] mpkomara : sure thing boss
[2016-03-29 14:49:25] laisee : the charts work pretty well if you look at the past
[2016-03-29 14:49:39] mpkomara : i bet they do CHIEF
[2016-03-29 14:49:42] laisee : ... and you have a time machine
[2016-03-29 14:50:30] rapidtrades : well thats what pretty much everyone's doing....looking at past data to come up with systems
[2016-03-29 14:51:17] mpkomara : are they?
[2016-03-29 14:51:23] laisee : duh. means you can explain the past if you find the right chart i.e. useless
[2016-03-29 14:52:08] rapidtrades : do u understand what reseach means? its not looking at a chart and making a subjective decision @laisee
[2016-03-29 14:53:00] laisee : oh rilly? silly me.
[2016-03-29 14:53:54] rapidtrades : yeah ur pretty silly
[2016-03-29 14:55:15] laisee : got me ... damn. I guess the time I spent building trading research apps for commodity derivatives desk don't count none.
[2016-03-29 14:55:36] mpkomara : they dont, sorry.
[2016-03-29 14:55:39] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-03-29 14:56:00] rapidtrades : programmers are shitty traders
[2016-03-29 14:56:38] laisee : whats ur excuse?
[2016-03-29 14:56:49] 1z6 : zing
[2016-03-29 14:56:49] laisee : ;-)
[2016-03-29 14:57:28] rapidtrades : thats like saying i bulit a F1 car, so im a racer
[2016-03-29 14:57:51] rapidtrades : no ur just a mechanic, sit down and shut up
[2016-03-29 14:58:40] laisee : nah, follow the logic ... it means I built some research systems for trading & none of it used TA at all ... by request of the traders
[2016-03-29 14:58:54] rapidtrades : are u sure#
[2016-03-29 14:58:57] mpkomara : research systems for trading
[2016-03-29 14:58:58] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 14:59:00] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 14:59:11] mpkomara : nice job cheef
[2016-03-29 14:59:13] rapidtrades : did it use past data to predict future prices?
[2016-03-29 14:59:36] sleger : I believe he is using TA to say chartist
[2016-03-29 14:59:41] laisee : nah, thats your technique for getting rich, right?
[2016-03-29 14:59:58] rapidtrades : ok well thats new to me
[2016-03-29 15:00:13] laisee : sleger: commods traders seem to prefer fundamental data, not yesterdays TA.
[2016-03-29 15:00:44] mpkomara : thats why commodity traders are fucking pikers
[2016-03-29 15:01:02] rapidtrades : dude trading by fundametal data is the slowest way to make money
[2016-03-29 15:01:40] rapidtrades : by slow i mean it can take months or years to see the reesult u want
[2016-03-29 15:01:50] mpkomara : have you listened to commodities traders talk about oil or gold or palladium. FUNNY STUFF
[2016-03-29 15:01:59] rapidtrades : so speed is not a factor
[2016-03-29 15:02:01] laisee : rapidtrades: it paid off for my guys, and me. ;-)
[2016-03-29 15:02:17] mpkomara : congratulations
[2016-03-29 15:02:24] laisee : mpkomara: they're a weird bunch, true.
[2016-03-29 15:02:37] sleger : I believe you are their guy, not the other way around
[2016-03-29 15:03:09] mrp1nk : > be me on the consensus pump some weeks ago. calling top at 450 $ according to big triangle. ppl here laughing about me, saying "abitrary lines are abitrary". price hits 453, drops like a rock. conclusion: TA is useless...
[2016-03-29 15:03:13] laisee : sleger: where guy == IT bitch.
[2016-03-29 15:03:27] sleger : yes
[2016-03-29 15:03:52] laisee : call me names, as long as you pay me ... :-D
[2016-03-29 15:04:02] sleger : mrp1nk: no you got it wrong, TA is useless because it doesnt work, nothing to do with your "prediction"
[2016-03-29 15:04:03] BombaUcigasa : ok Shirley, calm down
[2016-03-29 15:04:40] mpkomara : a broken clock is right twice a day
[2016-03-29 15:04:47] laisee : I never met a professional trader who used TA.
[2016-03-29 15:05:04] mpkomara : laisee: and you never will
[2016-03-29 15:05:10] sleger : splash wont believe you !
[2016-03-29 15:05:32] mrp1nk : sleger: what if many ppl trade according to S/R lines, triangle? it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy
[2016-03-29 15:05:41] laisee : BillionaireChartist user name is still available for splash or anyone else
[2016-03-29 15:05:58] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 15:06:03] sleger : mrp1nk: lol
[2016-03-29 15:06:10] laisee : mrp1nk: thats the only reason traders read TA, to see where the "dumb" money might be placed.
[2016-03-29 15:07:24] rapidtrades : laisee: TA traders will run circles around fundametal traders...its not even close
[2016-03-29 15:07:43] splash : laisee: r u using ur own apps to trade with?
[2016-03-29 15:07:44] rapidtrades : trust me if FA worked i would've used it instead....i still partially use it
[2016-03-29 15:08:01] laisee : rapidtrades: shows you don't know any professional traders, then.
[2016-03-29 15:08:11] laisee : splash: sometimes
[2016-03-29 15:08:11] mpkomara : rapidtrades what about dem quantitatives?
[2016-03-29 15:09:03] rapidtrades : since u guys haven't shared anything no point in continuing this academic debate
[2016-03-29 15:09:11] mrp1nk : tbh i was also always skeptical about TA, but meanwhile i saw many charts in which dips exactly hit support lines - almost surgical
[2016-03-29 15:09:13] mpkomara : wtf do you want me to share?
[2016-03-29 15:09:45] rapidtrades : well how u trade without TA, in broad terms if u don't want to give ur ''secret sauce''
[2016-03-29 15:09:47] sleger : just tell them how citadel makes money then they'll leave you alone
[2016-03-29 15:09:58] BombaUcigasa : I have one of those charts for today
[2016-03-29 15:10:01] BombaUcigasa : But nobody cares
[2016-03-29 15:10:03] laisee : rapidtrades: we shared our wisdom and worldly knowledge. aint that enough?
[2016-03-29 15:10:29] mpkomara : most people in here dont even know how quantos work so its pointless for me to 'explain something'
[2016-03-29 15:10:32] laisee : sleger: or renaissance, better example imo
[2016-03-29 15:10:34] rapidtrades : saying X doesn't work doesnt make u wise, it just makes u small minded
[2016-03-29 15:10:35] mpkomara : keep doin that TA rapidtrades
[2016-03-29 15:10:47] mpkomara : do you chief do YOU
[2016-03-29 15:11:07] sleger : laisee: yes renaissance or 2sigma are better example but most people have never heard of them
[2016-03-29 15:11:40] laisee : sleger: dem guys got the quant thing down. or something clever.
[2016-03-29 15:12:36] sleger : they do what all smart traders/quants are doing, one of those 2 offered me a position some years ago but i turned them down
[2016-03-29 15:12:49] rapidtrades : most ppl don't have the technology or the know-how to use machine learning or to engage in market making
[2016-03-29 15:13:00] laisee : sleger: impressed, espcially if renaissance
[2016-03-29 15:13:14] mpkomara : rapidtrades just stop man
[2016-03-29 15:13:24] mrp1nk : From the conclusion of a btc related research paper: "As can be seen, there are “triangle” pattern and “head-and-shoulder” pattern. Such patterns are observed and reported in the technical analysis literature. This seem to suggest that there are indeed such patterns and provides evidence of the existence of latent source model and explanation of success of our trading strategy." (from: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.1231.pdf)
[2016-03-29 15:13:37] laisee : rapidtrades: that statement is true.
[2016-03-29 15:13:55] rapidtrades : that doesn't mean that urs is though
[2016-03-29 15:14:05] mpkomara : lol
[2016-03-29 15:14:10] rapidtrades : just because u found a way to make money that doesn't make other ways invalid
[2016-03-29 15:14:29] laisee : rapidtrades: yeah, i'm all about the anecdotal stuff ...
[2016-03-29 15:14:50] sleger : mrp1nk: a paper written by students who have 0 experience ?
[2016-03-29 15:15:25] mpkomara : bayesian regression ROFL
[2016-03-29 15:15:49] laisee : mrp1nk: not the best example, tbh
[2016-03-29 15:15:54] mpkomara : is this undergrad?
[2016-03-29 15:16:24] mpkomara : im not even going to read this whole thing i can guess where theyre going with it
[2016-03-29 15:16:26] sleger : just google the main author "devavrat shah"
[2016-03-29 15:16:29] sleger : and laugh
[2016-03-29 15:17:09] mpkomara : LOL
[2016-03-29 15:17:20] mrp1nk : ok, maybe not the example. but at least something scientific. show me paper that proofs that TA is bullshit
[2016-03-29 15:17:45] mpkomara : "Trading Strategy. The trading strategy is very simple: at each time, we either maintain position of +1 Bitcoin, 0 Bitcoin or −1 Bitcoin."
[2016-03-29 15:17:48] mpkomara : LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
[2016-03-29 15:17:54] mpkomara : LOOOOOOOOOOOL
[2016-03-29 15:18:05] mpkomara : hey nice paper mrp1ink
[2016-03-29 15:18:19] BombaUcigasa : Random lines... https://www.tradingview.com/x/uF08g0eZ/ https://www.tradingview.com/x/h24ILj92/ https://www.tradingview.com/x/4H1g32Nq/
[2016-03-29 15:18:30] BombaUcigasa : And yes, I know the top line is wrong, maybe I'll move it
[2016-03-29 15:18:52] laisee : rapidtrades: whatever floats your trading boat ... just letting you know how people trade when they have positions measured in billions.
[2016-03-29 15:19:20] rapidtrades : u didn't ''let me know'' anything chumb....u just shat over TA
[2016-03-29 15:19:29] tscha : cryptos are mostly traded by children who indeed believe in TA, so it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy
[2016-03-29 15:19:35] rapidtrades : ur not doing anyone a favor, don't act like a saint
[2016-03-29 15:20:02] rapidtrades : as a casual visit to reedit will tell u, most ppl laugh at TA
[2016-03-29 15:20:16] mpkomara : rapidtrades did you study any financial math?
[2016-03-29 15:20:27] mpkomara : pricing, etc?
[2016-03-29 15:20:33] laisee : reddit is truly the best trading guide when you manage big $$$$ /S
[2016-03-29 15:20:36] mpkomara : thatd be some basic places to start
[2016-03-29 15:20:45] rapidtrades : mpkomara: not unless ur mom taught the class
[2016-03-29 15:20:49] rapidtrades : HONK HONK
[2016-03-29 15:21:09] mpkomara : keep using that TA cheef
[2016-03-29 15:22:01] rapidtrades : thanks i will
[2016-03-29 15:22:18] mpkomara : you can lead a horse to water...
[2016-03-29 15:22:19] mrp1nk : http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-6419.2007.00519.x/full
[2016-03-29 15:22:29] rapidtrades : btw ''chief'' even if it was true that ''most ppl use TA'' that doesn't somehow magically invalidate it
[2016-03-29 15:22:59] rapidtrades : some have argued that that's exactly why it works
[2016-03-29 15:23:12] mpkomara : 'some'
[2016-03-29 15:23:22] rapidtrades : exactly some
[2016-03-29 15:23:22] mpkomara : im saying it doesnt work because i know for a fact it doesnt work
[2016-03-29 15:23:29] laisee : rapidtrades: do you see the logical flaw in that argument?
[2016-03-29 15:24:43] laisee : use 'X' because 'X' works because people use 'X' ... means you should NOT use 'X'
[2016-03-29 15:24:51] mrp1nk : mpkomara: proof
[2016-03-29 15:25:24] mpkomara : lol
[2016-03-29 15:25:43] mpkomara : learn some math and youll know for yourself
[2016-03-29 15:26:14] rapidtrades : yeah i want to see proof that predicting prices based on past data is impossible....I've already said before this exchange started that i don't personally use most of TA as is known today
[2016-03-29 15:26:15] sleger : actually there is no debate here, we are all very happy for people to use "TA" as much as possible, at least I am :)
[2016-03-29 15:27:09] sleger : rapidtrades: i dont think we are arguing against that statement : "yeah i want to see proof that predicting prices based on past data is impossible" because it IS possible. We are arguing against "lines on a chart" and chartists
[2016-03-29 15:27:21] mpkomara : lol
[2016-03-29 15:27:26] mpkomara : yeah i want everyone to use TA
[2016-03-29 15:27:35] mpkomara : please continue doing so
[2016-03-29 15:27:51] mrp1nk : mpkomara: not sure if trolling
[2016-03-29 15:28:02] sleger : he is "not sure" LOLOL
[2016-03-29 15:28:34] mpkomara : LOL
[2016-03-29 15:28:44] sleger : wow I'd love to know this guy IQ
[2016-03-29 15:29:06] rapidtrades : again, unless u want to share how ur system operates, i don't see how this exchange is useful....the only difference between me looking at past prices or a computer is how fast will the test be done @sleger
[2016-03-29 15:29:47] mpkomara : you wouldnt understand his system, but thats besides the point
[2016-03-29 15:29:52] mpkomara : he shouldnt share it regardless
[2016-03-29 15:30:02] sleger : rapidtrades: I'm saying lines on a chart drawn by chartists dont work. I agree that one can predict future price using past data that's it
[2016-03-29 15:30:24] sleger : * past and actual data
[2016-03-29 15:31:25] rapidtrades : well then we're somewhat in agreement...everyone even ''citadel'' uses past data....that's what charts are basically, representation of past data
[2016-03-29 15:31:42] mpkomara : lol..
[2016-03-29 15:31:58] rapidtrades : but i guess ur way of using past data is super speshul
[2016-03-29 15:32:05] mpkomara : rapidtrades how old are you
[2016-03-29 15:32:15] rapidtrades : ask ur mom b1tch
[2016-03-29 15:32:19] mrp1nk : i'm still trying to have a fruitful discussion, but the main arguments here are "lol"
[2016-03-29 15:32:23] mpkomara : i take it you didnt go to college
[2016-03-29 15:32:25] mpkomara : thats okay
[2016-03-29 15:32:42] rapidtrades : no too busy banging ur mama
[2016-03-29 15:32:48] mpkomara : lol
[2016-03-29 15:33:21] laisee : mrp1nk: it's a troll box. can't expect too much here ...
[2016-03-29 15:33:44] mrp1nk : laisee: nah, there were some nice discussion here - even with sledger
[2016-03-29 15:33:58] rapidtrades : only one side is trolling here '' TA doesn't work and everyone using it is stupid''
[2016-03-29 15:34:20] rapidtrades : then how do u trade ''can't tell u my way is super spehul''
[2016-03-29 15:34:44] mpkomara : would you like me to use special terms?
[2016-03-29 15:34:48] mpkomara : like geometric brownian motion
[2016-03-29 15:34:54] rapidtrades : i'd like u to f urself
[2016-03-29 15:34:55] mpkomara : will that make you feel better?
[2016-03-29 15:35:14] mrp1nk : mpkomara: you're random walks are soooo leeet
[2016-03-29 15:35:18] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 15:35:30] mpkomara : man this chat is particularly entertaining today
[2016-03-29 15:35:51] mpkomara : its a NICE SUNNY day on the SS ARBITRAGE
[2016-03-29 15:36:27] rapidtrades : doing arbitrage doesn't make u a trader, chump
[2016-03-29 15:36:36] rapidtrades : that goes for the ones doing mm as well
[2016-03-29 15:36:47] laisee : heteroskedasticity .... thats all I have to say.
[2016-03-29 15:36:57] mpkomara : the SS ARBITRAGE is my yacht
[2016-03-29 15:36:59] mpkomara : but sure thing boss
[2016-03-29 15:38:12] laisee : rapidtrades: I have laid out the crown jewels of my trading strategy. now you can profit, too.
[2016-03-29 15:38:22] mrp1nk : mpkomara: knowing a little bit of stats and math doesn't mean you need to behave like a jerk
[2016-03-29 15:38:26] mpkomara : buy low sell HIGH
[2016-03-29 15:39:07] laisee : mpkomara: gah. now you've revealed all ...
[2016-03-29 15:42:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 200 @ 0.02866
[2016-03-29 15:46:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 3100 @ 0.02872
[2016-03-29 15:49:50] azurelake : What's going on with icbit?
[2016-03-29 15:50:14] mrp1nk : http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378426608002951
[2016-03-29 16:02:20] mrp1nk : counterexample: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1058330013000396
[2016-03-29 16:03:22] mrp1nk : just sayin that the literature is not clear on the question whether TA is bullshit or not
[2016-03-29 16:04:45] sleger : mrp1nk: if you think you're going to find answer on google on how to predict (or not) the markets then I can only give you my usual answer : lol
[2016-03-29 16:05:44] mrp1nk : i think its well known that some hedge fons are succesfully using machine learning to build their strategies
[2016-03-29 16:05:56] nip : mrp1nk: but i cant prove that you cant find how to on google
[2016-03-29 16:06:11] viptrader : can you please release my profits?
[2016-03-29 16:06:15] viptrader : in ETH
[2016-03-29 16:06:18] viptrader : manager?
[2016-03-29 16:06:42] nip : viptrader: close your position
[2016-03-29 16:06:57] viptrader : nip: need to close it first?
[2016-03-29 16:07:29] nip : unrealized not unreleased
[2016-03-29 16:08:00] sleger : closing his position will not release his profits @nip
[2016-03-29 16:08:27] viptrader : yeah not this, im talking about the settelments profits
[2016-03-29 16:08:50] mrp1nk : so its clear that in the data there exist some patterns that _are_ useful. Some of these patterns are been known as TA. @sledger
[2016-03-29 16:09:18] sleger : mrp1nk: i have said many times I was referring to lines on a chart
[2016-03-29 16:09:45] sleger : from 40 min ago "sleger: rapidtrades: I'm saying lines on a chart drawn by chartists dont work. I agree that one can predict future price using past data that's it"
[2016-03-29 16:09:45] mrp1nk : nip: wat
[2016-03-29 16:10:18] mrp1nk : sleger: does this include support lines?
[2016-03-29 16:10:41] nip : buying the dip is a time tested strategy
[2016-03-29 16:10:49] sleger : mrp1nk: if you mean telephone support then no, if you mean a line on a chart then cf what i said earlier
[2016-03-29 16:11:28] sleger : nip: yes buying at the bottom of the day it's hard to lose money
[2016-03-29 16:11:46] sleger : the problem is to know it in advance
[2016-03-29 16:11:47] nip : well depends on the commissions in my experience
[2016-03-29 16:11:56] mrp1nk : sleger: you're jokes have been better, but ok. then i think we aren't that far away from each other.
[2016-03-29 16:12:22] rapidtrades : sleger: u got some ego if u think you've found the only way to make money in the markets
[2016-03-29 16:12:28] sleger : mrp1nk: you're = you are. use "your"
[2016-03-29 16:12:51] sleger : rapidtrades: never said that no
[2016-03-29 16:13:29] arbitrage001 : hi hi
[2016-03-29 16:13:40] arbitrage001 : is it too late to join the discussion
[2016-03-29 16:13:47] sleger : i just know a lot of people besides me who do, on a very consistent basis and work for the most reputable firms in the industry and the thing I know is that all would laugh at "lines on a chart"
[2016-03-29 16:13:57] arbitrage001 : arbitrage is the only thing i do all day lol
[2016-03-29 16:14:04] arbitrage001 : so i am not trader?
[2016-03-29 16:14:32] rapidtrades : sleger: so what? 2 decades ago those same ppl would've laughed at anyone saying they could use past prices to predict future data
[2016-03-29 16:14:53] sleger : so lines on a chart is a thing of the future ?
[2016-03-29 16:15:05] rapidtrades : hell even today the vast majority of managed funds are buy only stock funds
[2016-03-29 16:15:11] sleger : in 2 decades computers will be useless to trade and lines on a chart will work ?
[2016-03-29 16:15:27] rapidtrades : so u can't draw conclusions based on what funds or banks do
[2016-03-29 16:15:39] nip : citadel does a good job
[2016-03-29 16:15:49] rapidtrades : even today most use fundamentals only
[2016-03-29 16:15:58] sleger : not recently no, seems like you keep being wrong today @nip
[2016-03-29 16:16:00] rapidtrades : not ur fancy machine learning
[2016-03-29 16:16:30] rapidtrades : pretty sure you would be laughed at in most funds if u told them how u made money
[2016-03-29 16:16:31] sleger : rapidtrades: not once have I mentioned machine learning
[2016-03-29 16:16:33] mrp1nk : sleger: the interesting question is what happens if anybody uses ML. probably then the competitive advantage will vanish
[2016-03-29 16:16:44] nip : you must be overlooking the bull market @sledger
[2016-03-29 16:17:35] rapidtrades : doesn't matter, u use past data to predict prices, very few funds out there are systematic approach to the markets @sleger
[2016-03-29 16:17:36] mrp1nk : or lets substitue ML by AI in genereal
[2016-03-29 16:17:46] mrp1nk : *general
[2016-03-29 16:18:08] sleger : mrp1nk: people use AI already, what are you trying to ask ?
[2016-03-29 16:18:56] rapidtrades : i think ppl don't understand what TA means....for example i could generate my signals in excel if i had to, no need for a CHART
[2016-03-29 16:19:47] arbitrage001 : TA and CHART dont work
[2016-03-29 16:19:47] nip : the real future is machines learning to look at charts and analize advanced patterns cant be described with numbers
[2016-03-29 16:19:58] arbitrage001 : cuz professor arbitrage001 said so
[2016-03-29 16:20:21] sleger : lol @ "machine learning to look at charts"
[2016-03-29 16:20:25] rapidtrades : charts are just past data u idiots...f*ck u ppl are dense
[2016-03-29 16:21:29] viptrader : any manager here?
[2016-03-29 16:22:12] BitMEX_Sam : viptrader: I'm here, what do you need?
[2016-03-29 16:22:47] viptrader : can you see if there is a btc deposit coming to my account
[2016-03-29 16:23:14] BitMEX_Sam : I don't see anything confirmed right now, but if you see it in the mempool of any major block explorer, it's on its way
[2016-03-29 16:23:35] BitMEX_Sam : Once the transaction is included in a block, the credit usually comes through within 5-60 seconds
[2016-03-29 16:26:41] viptrader : BitMEX_Sam: im trying to move some a very tiny balance to my margin
[2016-03-29 16:26:49] viptrader : it's close to liq price
[2016-03-29 16:27:09] viptrader : is there anything i can do before that? looks like btc withdraw taking time
[2016-03-29 16:27:10] BitMEX_Sam : Understood - best way to mitigate that is to send more bitcoin with a high fee so it hits a block asap, or to walk down your position by trying to reduce its size
[2016-03-29 16:27:27] BitMEX_Sam : Make sure you're on cross margin as well
[2016-03-29 16:27:53] viptrader : how to make the cross if its already active
[2016-03-29 16:27:57] viptrader : the position
[2016-03-29 16:32:18] BitMEX_Sam : See the slider on the left below your position readout
[2016-03-29 16:32:26] BitMEX_Sam : `Cross` is all the way left
[2016-03-29 16:35:31] rapidtrades : ppl have used past data to predict prices long before we had computers....f programmers think the world started in 1995 with PETS R US
[2016-03-29 16:43:16] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: for commodities that follow weather and season
[2016-03-29 16:44:26] arbitrage001 : past data is useless in the age of geopolitical conflict
[2016-03-29 16:44:35] arbitrage001 : or major political movement
[2016-03-29 16:46:43] sleger : it depends on the time horizon
[2016-03-29 16:47:08] sleger : at <10s past data is still useful in predicting future prices
[2016-03-29 17:21:20] rapidtrades : sleger: what's ur average return per year? on ur entire portfolio not jut btc
[2016-03-29 17:26:32] viptrader : eth top reached, should retrace to 25
[2016-03-29 17:26:57] nip : first you say eth to 16 by today
[2016-03-29 17:27:10] nip : next thing i know you say you are about to be liquidated
[2016-03-29 17:28:21] sleger : rapidtrades: maybe ~10% but I consider that number irrelevant, I have a large part in money market equivalent which makes only ~3% per year, and some part in real estate ~15-25%, some part in equities (really depends on markets) some part in btc (~50% average return, but over 10k% return on the algo part of it which uses only a small part of capital) ....
[2016-03-29 17:32:38] viptrader : nip: yes its going to 16-17
[2016-03-29 17:32:45] viptrader : will take time though
[2016-03-29 20:31:14] viptrader : looks like eth collapse has started
[2016-03-29 20:40:13] nip : its a few % from the peak
[2016-03-29 20:42:42] rapidtrades : the peak was near 0.04 bud
[2016-03-29 21:01:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1690 @ 414.17
[2016-03-29 21:06:32] rapidtrades : why is finex so slow
[2016-03-29 21:07:13] rapidtrades : what a useless sack of shit exchange
[2016-03-29 21:07:54] rapidtrades : is it down now? IS THE F*CKING SITE DOWN
[2016-03-29 21:09:56] rapidtrades : im literally waiting minutes to set an order, what a f joke
[2016-03-29 21:10:09] rapidtrades : NICE F*CKING U CUNT
[2016-03-29 21:30:17] nip : finex has been on and off all day for me
[2016-03-29 21:30:36] rapidtrades : f finex
[2016-03-29 21:31:35] nip : its price gets out of line sometimes its worth using for that
[2016-03-29 21:32:04] rapidtrades : agree
[2016-03-29 21:44:54] viptrader : dump that eth
[2016-03-29 21:46:24] nip : last chance to buy eth under 28
[2016-03-29 22:01:04] nip : anyone want to buy or sell the new april china a50 contract?
[2016-03-29 22:03:02] rapidtrades : $1 discount on daily....free money fellas
[2016-03-29 22:13:02] sleger : rapidtrades: no settlement fees ?
[2016-03-29 22:30:59] amahte : pump it u p
[2016-03-29 22:32:46] viptrader : any manager here? i just did a withdraw and confirmed it and its still pending
[2016-03-29 22:32:52] viptrader : please check it, thanks
[2016-03-29 22:32:57] viptrader : 2 withdrawl
[2016-03-29 22:32:59] viptrader : s
[2016-03-29 22:34:58] rapidtrades : viptrader: withdrawals are processed once per day, 1 hour after daily settles
[2016-03-29 22:35:36] viptrader : but im not into a trade @rapidtrades
[2016-03-29 22:35:39] viptrader : does it count?
[2016-03-29 22:36:47] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-03-29 23:33:07] rapidtrades : USD almost tied with china..no premium on futures, sentiment in the gutter
[2016-03-29 23:34:19] rapidtrades : does okc allow 2 accounts? i want to trade futures but i can't transfer anything to my futures account unless i close my loans
[2016-03-29 23:42:16] sleger : if you have extra btc then transfer them to the futures part there is no reason to open 2 accounts
[2016-03-29 23:44:53] rapidtrades : how? there's no seperate deposit address like on finex
[2016-03-29 23:46:20] rapidtrades : it has to pass through the spot part and i can't withdraw anything while i have loans
[2016-03-29 23:59:12] rapidtrades : sleger: any position on?
[2016-03-30 00:21:11] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 632 @ 413.63
[2016-03-30 00:25:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 98 @ 0.02816
[2016-03-30 01:38:57] nip : any china a50 traders here?
[2016-03-30 01:41:22] BitMEX_Arthur : nip: Anything you need help with?
[2016-03-30 01:42:32] nip : BitMEX_Arthur: no. since the march contract expires today i was hoping someone would want to trade april
[2016-03-30 01:44:43] BitMEX_Arthur : There are quotes up on the screen, looks like the market is pretty tight
[2016-03-30 01:44:47] BitMEX_Arthur : `A50J16`
[2016-03-30 01:45:46] nip : they appeared between my most recent comment and now
[2016-03-30 01:48:52] remysuarez : nip: If you are ready to sell with contango, or buy with bisfurcation, 4% will be ok for me. If you want to trade more than 150 contracts, than i agree for lesser
[2016-03-30 01:50:40] MoneyTree01 : BitMEX_Arthur: what exchange does XBT24H Quotes from or comparable?
[2016-03-30 01:53:14] nip : remysuarez: i can trade 200 contracts if you like
[2016-03-30 01:54:37] remysuarez : i will accept 3% bisfurcation
[2016-03-30 01:54:51] BitMEX_Arthur : MoneyTree01: Not sure if I understand your question
[2016-03-30 01:54:55] remysuarez : i can place liqudity right now :)
[2016-03-30 01:55:01] nip : remysuarez: i guess you are not my possible counterparty
[2016-03-30 01:55:08] BitMEX_Arthur : The underlying index is the TradeBlock XBX Index
[2016-03-30 01:55:48] BitMEX_Arthur : nip: you a buyer or seller how much are you looking to trade?
[2016-03-30 01:56:27] nip : I am a buyer looking to trade up to 200 contracts
[2016-03-30 01:57:48] MoneyTree01 : BitMEX_Arthur: Thank you
[2016-03-30 01:58:25] BitMEX_Arthur : nip: hold on let me ping the mm and get a quote up on the screen
[2016-03-30 02:02:47] BitMEX_Arthur : nip: 100 lots at 9590
[2016-03-30 02:03:07] BitMEX_Arthur : he will leave up for a minute or so. If you want to trade he can do more on the follow
[2016-03-30 02:04:38] BitMEX_Arthur : Tighter now for 100 lots
[2016-03-30 02:04:44] BitMEX_Arthur : 9580
[2016-03-30 02:07:50] BitMEX_Arthur : nip: Mm asking if you want more?
[2016-03-30 02:09:03] nip : thats all for today
[2016-03-30 02:09:52] nip : thanks! a manual RFQ
[2016-03-30 02:11:45] BitMEX_Arthur : nip: just know our mm is ready to trade in size on this contract
[2016-03-30 02:12:03] BitMEX_Arthur : it is a big focus for us
[2016-03-30 02:15:30] mpkomara : BitMEX_Arthur: just caught the chat. so liquidity is readily available for the china contracts?
[2016-03-30 02:21:38] BitMEX_Arthur : mpkomara: Yes
[2016-03-30 02:22:29] BitMEX_Arthur : Will need to be a little old school on this like we were on a trading floor
[2016-03-30 02:23:17] BitMEX_Arthur : but if you want larger than 50 contract prices put your interest on the chat and we will help get you a quote
[2016-03-30 03:08:01] mpkomara : thanks :) will keep in mind
[2016-03-30 05:45:13] doon : Do you guys have any documentation from a web developer's perspective? Impressive app.
[2016-03-30 05:46:20] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/apiOverview
[2016-03-30 05:46:30] BitMEX_Arthur : This describes our API if you would like to connect to BitMEX
[2016-03-30 06:36:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 412.43
[2016-03-30 06:36:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.02845
[2016-03-30 06:37:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 40 @ 411.31
[2016-03-30 07:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5000 @ 410.84
[2016-03-30 07:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 410.79 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-30 07:03:58] ayy_lmao : rekt
[2016-03-30 07:07:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2883 @ 409.43
[2016-03-30 07:34:03] BitMEX_Wally : `A50J16` expires next month: https://www.bitmex.com/app/trade/A50J16
[2016-03-30 08:02:52] jung1 : morning
[2016-03-30 08:02:56] jung1 : http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-undervalued-200-needham-report/
[2016-03-30 08:06:01] jung1 : BitMEX_Wally: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4caeh3/bitcoin_futures_exchange_bitmex_makes_false/
[2016-03-30 08:10:51] tscha : lulz
[2016-03-30 08:13:18] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4caay2/bitmexs_hookers_blow_insurance_fund/
[2016-03-30 09:13:49] zanza : ban jung1
[2016-03-30 09:18:35] jung1 : deny
[2016-03-30 10:49:33] habibi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#how-do-i-know-bitmex-hasnt-lost-my-bitcoin Were there any done already?
[2016-03-30 11:05:12] rapidtrades : good morning
[2016-03-30 11:56:39] BitMEX_Wally : habibi: We have internal audits that run every second that ensure the blockchain matches our internal database
[2016-03-30 11:57:40] BitMEX_Wally : However due to the fact we use multisig for all deposits we cannot use the traditional proof-of-solvency merkel trees
[2016-03-30 12:05:10] vbmithr : "waving their hands around like some desperate fat chick"
[2016-03-30 12:05:28] vbmithr : good read :D
[2016-03-30 12:07:35] vbmithr : interesting guy
[2016-03-30 12:07:48] vbmithr : He sure put a lot of efforts into writing this posts and doing those animations.
[2016-03-30 12:09:17] vbmithr : bitcoiners are a bunch of children
[2016-03-30 12:09:24] vbmithr : guess many people in markets are :)