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[2016-03-27 17:37:37] roymalmberg : Any reason for this ? :)
[2016-03-27 17:37:47] BitMEX_Sam : No, that's intentional - otherwise it would be quite easy to ddos the API by requesting massive numbers of rows
[2016-03-27 17:38:19] BitMEX_Sam : By putting a max on each invocation we can effectively ratelimit these requests and reduce the stress if many users choose to pull history
[2016-03-27 17:38:26] BitMEX_Sam : See https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts/blob/master/fetchTradeHistory.py#L55 for an example of a strategy to pull a full dataset
[2016-03-27 17:39:24] roymalmberg : I see, sweet thank you Sam!
[2016-03-27 17:42:47] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-03-27 18:01:38] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: so is the insurance fund is pooled correct ? one insurance fund covers all the instruments -- ie those trading BTC cover ETH or FACT trader losses and vise versa correct ?
[2016-03-27 18:02:41] BitMEX_Sam : After settlement, the ins fund is pooled, but e.g. if there were profitable liquidations during a given expiry, those are pinned to that contract expiry to offset any DPE
[2016-03-27 18:03:31] BTCVIX : understood -- but we see nothing as to what contracts are contributing the most/least into the fund or what they are drawing either
[2016-03-27 18:04:08] BitMEX_Sam : That's true, at some point in the future we will deliver more itemized details of liquidations and how they were closed
[2016-03-27 18:06:25] BTCVIX : so at current by the data you provide BitMEX is far less transparent or granular than OKC correct?
[2016-03-27 18:22:07] dmbtmxdm : @bitmexstaff how is the liquidity going? Is it getting better every week?
[2016-03-27 18:32:31] rapidtrades : finex needs to back the f*ck off
[2016-03-27 18:34:36] sleger : rapidtrades: not happy price is up ?
[2016-03-27 18:34:46] rapidtrades : i'm only 60% happy
[2016-03-27 18:35:38] splash : rapidtrades: btc i think will at least retrace and give an opportunity to either cover or reaload
[2016-03-27 18:36:16] rapidtrades : doesn't look like to me bud but hope ur right
[2016-03-27 18:37:02] rapidtrades : according to the neckbeards on reddit this is the one true breakout
[2016-03-27 18:37:38] rapidtrades : i think so too, prolly means market will F*ck us all
[2016-03-27 18:38:48] j8 : i think this is about building momentum for 450's
[2016-03-27 18:39:03] j8 : that will be the real test
[2016-03-27 18:39:16] rapidtrades : the timing makes it a bit suspicious....but they've done this before on Christmas so it's par for the course in this shitty markets
[2016-03-27 18:40:10] rapidtrades : back then we retraced the holiday dump...let's see what happens now
[2016-03-27 18:43:46] messiaen8844 : yummy: https://www.tradingview.com/x/efILjSkz/
[2016-03-27 19:03:41] rapidtrades : stupid finex thinks it's China
[2016-03-27 19:03:55] rapidtrades : you're not in China f*ckheads
[2016-03-27 19:11:01] messiaen8844 : XBX index @ 426
[2016-03-27 19:11:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 359 @ 0.02376
[2016-03-27 20:40:58] rapidtrades : i don't get it...what's the plan when u buy at $3 premium
[2016-03-27 20:47:41] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 125 @ 427.59
[2016-03-27 20:53:32] messiaen8844 : yummy
[2016-03-27 20:54:12] rapidtrades : messiaen8844: don't act so excited
[2016-03-27 21:05:24] rapidtrades : rly ppl...are u gonna pump this until settlement?
[2016-03-27 21:05:55] rapidtrades : smone paid $3 premium for like 15 hrs
[2016-03-27 21:07:18] messiaen8844 : actually it was more I think
[2016-03-27 21:07:24] messiaen8844 : now $2 premium
[2016-03-27 21:27:09] rapidtrades : so did finex start this pump or what...why are prices there so high
[2016-03-27 21:27:33] rapidtrades : some dumb amero with too much free time on easter?
[2016-03-27 21:28:07] rapidtrades : prolly wasted out of his mind figured he could push prices on easter
[2016-03-27 22:25:58] dmbtmxdm : rapidtrades, you think eth is going down?
[2016-03-27 22:28:18] rapidtrades : yeah but not shorting
[2016-03-27 22:35:13] micmix : 336% fair basis on XBT24H, not bad
[2016-03-27 22:50:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 254767 @ 426.47 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-03-27 22:52:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3000 @ 424.89
[2016-03-27 22:52:28] BombaUcigasa : IT IS DONE
[2016-03-27 22:52:45] messiaen8844 : woah
[2016-03-27 22:55:57] sleger : damn missed it
[2016-03-27 22:59:31] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 2199 @ 426.39
[2016-03-27 23:02:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 750 @ 423.86
[2016-03-27 23:04:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 355 @ 426.65
[2016-03-27 23:04:19] micmix : sleger: how's your girl?
[2016-03-27 23:04:39] sleger : micmix: she's great now thanks, started to eat again
[2016-03-27 23:04:55] micmix : sleger: oh good, happy to hear!
[2016-03-27 23:05:42] sleger : yes, she's sad with her cone on and in a bit of pain but she'll be alright in a couple of days
[2016-03-27 23:08:20] micmix : yeah, young ones still try to scratch with the cone on, it's funny to watch sometimes. I remember ours figured out how to scratch using a cone, I couldn't believe he can bend that far :-)
[2016-03-27 23:13:04] nip : Is it possible to get a withdrawal processed before the usual daily time?
[2016-03-27 23:14:29] micmix : nip: I don't think so but try to contact support, they might be able to help
[2016-03-27 23:15:17] sleger : micmix: any success with the other FIX api on your side ?
[2016-03-27 23:16:09] micmix : sleger: didn't try yet but I'll have some time after dinner, will let you know tomorrow
[2016-03-28 01:32:44] rapidtrades : keep buying morans
[2016-03-28 01:42:06] j8 : where can i buy morans?
[2016-03-28 01:42:29] daveberns1 : Why such massive premiums on the June & Sept contracts?
[2016-03-28 01:43:08] daveberns1 : (relative to offerings from others)
[2016-03-28 01:44:12] daveberns1 : agree that contango is in play and should be expected
[2016-03-28 01:44:39] daveberns1 : but the general consensus that i have seen previous is roughly a 20%-30% annualized premium
[2016-03-28 01:45:08] j8 : daveberns1: they're quanto futures, they have a linear payout in btc but quadratic in usd
[2016-03-28 01:45:17] rapidtrades : ^
[2016-03-28 01:45:30] j8 : i'll see if i can find some blog posts for you, there's lots written on this
[2016-03-28 01:45:46] rapidtrades : in simple terms, u win more on the upside then u lose on the downside
[2016-03-28 01:46:08] daveberns1 : ok, yes i read a bit about that
[2016-03-28 01:46:12] j8 : this is slightly old but mostly still valid https://blog.bitmex.com/xbt-vs-xbu-chain/
[2016-03-28 01:46:32] daveberns1 : so that accounts for the +20% spread between this product on more vanilla contracts
[2016-03-28 01:46:53] rapidtrades : yeah...current spread seems a bit low imo
[2016-03-28 01:47:06] rapidtrades : at least compared to what we've had few months ago
[2016-03-28 01:47:29] daveberns1 : ha. yes i saw it was close to 70% when I first started coming on here
[2016-03-28 01:47:40] j8 : we've been seeing the 3 month and 6 month contracts trade between 50% and 80% per annual most of the time
[2016-03-28 01:47:46] j8 : up to 100% for a little while
[2016-03-28 01:48:01] rapidtrades : yeah that was the time to sell....my balls were missing
[2016-03-28 01:48:02] daveberns1 : wild
[2016-03-28 01:48:09] rapidtrades : sleger prolly made out like a bandit
[2016-03-28 01:48:10] daveberns1 : thx
[2016-03-28 01:48:24] daveberns1 : as he always seems to do
[2016-03-28 01:53:37] rapidtrades : unreal, ppl buying at $2.5 premium with 10 hrs to go
[2016-03-28 01:54:17] rapidtrades : well at least the volatility is back :)
[2016-03-28 01:54:57] j8 : rapidtrades: is it though? `.BVOL24H` at 1.14
[2016-03-28 01:55:08] j8 : we're just gettin started
[2016-03-28 01:58:47] rapidtrades : compared to past few weeks today is great
[2016-03-28 01:58:57] rapidtrades : we had +7 at one point
[2016-03-28 01:59:06] rapidtrades : $7 premium
[2016-03-28 01:59:30] j8 : yeah i was all over that. didn't take much for the guy to wreck himself
[2016-03-28 02:00:41] rapidtrades : i got some but had to hedge it pretty high.....
[2016-03-28 02:01:18] j8 : over 200k of shorts closed on that liquidation
[2016-03-28 02:02:08] laisee : those were the days ...
[2016-03-28 02:02:45] j8 : that was a couple hours ago @laisee
[2016-03-28 02:04:15] laisee : reminiscing never gets too old, or new
[2016-03-28 02:04:41] zanza : whoa what happened?
[2016-03-28 02:04:52] rapidtrades : zanza: don't worry about it
[2016-03-28 02:05:09] j8 : REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 254767 @ 426.47 **REKTosaurus** :slot_machine: :moneybag: :fire:
[2016-03-28 02:05:24] rapidtrades : c*nt i always shat my pants
[2016-03-28 02:05:30] rapidtrades : almost*
[2016-03-28 02:05:32] j8 : lol
[2016-03-28 02:05:42] zanza : wow my short is gone
[2016-03-28 02:05:53] laisee : freudian slip ... or the normal behavior for a 7 yr old ?
[2016-03-28 02:06:03] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-03-28 02:06:36] Tycale : Eth retrace \o
[2016-03-28 02:06:57] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-03-28 02:07:48] rapidtrades : love how buying and selling 25/50 btc is now normal on finex
[2016-03-28 02:07:58] rapidtrades : every few mins
[2016-03-28 02:08:44] laisee : I thot Finex has slow and crappy?
[2016-03-28 02:08:53] j8 : the volume was super low for a while, i dropped a fee level cause of it :(
[2016-03-28 02:09:19] rapidtrades : yeah i had major problems executing 2 btc orders
[2016-03-28 02:10:45] laisee : slippage on 2BTC? defintely BTC is no threat to Wall st just yet
[2016-03-28 02:11:14] j8 : not slippage, being cheap about taker fees i'm guessing
[2016-03-28 02:11:23] rapidtrades : well not slippage cos i used limits ^
[2016-03-28 02:12:03] miramm1115 : you have to bite the bullet and pay taker fees sometimes
[2016-03-28 02:12:22] laisee : taker fees are breakfast for winners
[2016-03-28 02:13:11] rapidtrades : those were arbs so every cent counts :)
[2016-03-28 02:13:26] miramm1115 : and we're still on the low end of premium for quanto quarterly. might still be worth to buy if you believe in halving pump
[2016-03-28 02:13:34] laisee : as in, bitcoin markets are so slow to transmit market moves you can see a move on another exchange and eat the spread on current one & still make easy money.
[2016-03-28 02:13:48] miramm1115 : laisee: exactly
[2016-03-28 02:13:55] rapidtrades : smtimes....today that wasn't the case
[2016-03-28 02:14:04] miramm1115 : especially if it's a bot doing arbs
[2016-03-28 02:14:07] rapidtrades : okc/finex surged together
[2016-03-28 02:14:13] rapidtrades : yea bots maybe
[2016-03-28 02:14:44] miramm1115 : oops, wrong account again, sorry :-)
[2016-03-28 02:17:07] rapidtrades : if finex had 100/1 leverage u would see morans going all in like here and busto
[2016-03-28 02:17:28] rapidtrades : but now we have to wait them out slowly
[2016-03-28 02:18:17] laisee : slow-mo fomo
[2016-03-28 02:21:56] laisee : miramm1115: In June the halvening will cause BTC price to go below 200 IMHO
[2016-03-28 02:22:47] rapidtrades : wut,,,,but we didn't rally from there
[2016-03-28 02:22:56] rapidtrades : whats the logic behind that
[2016-03-28 02:23:53] laisee : its priced in already and the lack of boost come may will cause price to get all saggy and falling.
[2016-03-28 02:24:29] rapidtrades : idk bitcoin markets don't seem THAT efficient
[2016-03-28 02:24:55] rapidtrades : think we have 1 moer pump to go before dump
[2016-03-28 02:25:53] laisee : that was last night ... no moon in june, sad to say
[2016-03-28 02:30:08] daveberns1 : laisee: interesting theory - although my estimates put halving in July
[2016-03-28 02:30:43] laisee : yeah, but what rhymes with July?
[2016-03-28 02:30:59] rapidtrades : well we're not gonna rally into it, bitcoin markets are not THAT inefficient @daveberns1
[2016-03-28 02:32:22] laisee : efficient market hypothesis disagrees
[2016-03-28 02:32:51] rapidtrades : emh is bullshit
[2016-03-28 02:33:13] laisee : imagine, someone got a PHD for saying that the current price is the right price, always.
[2016-03-28 02:33:46] laisee : rapidtrades: if EMH is wrong how come most traders, even pros, lose money?
[2016-03-28 02:34:39] rapidtrades : hope u realize that u just decimated emh with that statement
[2016-03-28 02:35:28] laisee : how so?
[2016-03-28 02:35:58] rapidtrades : if markets were so efficient as to be random, i'll see a more even distribution of winners/losers, not the usually seen 10%
[2016-03-28 02:37:12] laisee : unless the traders think they can guess when the price is "cheap" or "expensive"
[2016-03-28 02:37:42] rapidtrades : now ur getting close :)
[2016-03-28 02:38:03] nip : laisee: i said eth was cheap this morning
[2016-03-28 02:38:06] nip : now its going up
[2016-03-28 02:38:07] laisee : and they guess wrong, according to EMH.
[2016-03-28 02:38:11] nip : 1 in 10 chance?
[2016-03-28 02:38:23] laisee : nip, 1 in 3
[2016-03-28 02:38:38] rapidtrades : that's winning trades, nip, which ur not a part of btw
[2016-03-28 02:39:04] laisee : nip: can you replicate that lucky guess over many trading sessions?
[2016-03-28 02:39:05] rapidtrades : traders*
[2016-03-28 02:39:17] nip : yeah thats how im up so much
[2016-03-28 02:39:37] rapidtrades : nip: how long have u been trading sir
[2016-03-28 02:40:21] nip : im just talking about eth
[2016-03-28 02:40:57] laisee : ETH is a pump/dump situation, exploiting people not betting on true price ...
[2016-03-28 02:40:59] nip : im up over probably 200 trades
[2016-03-28 02:41:30] laisee : well done, nip
[2016-03-28 02:41:40] miramm1115 : nip, just buy all ETH dips, you can't lose
[2016-03-28 02:41:47] nip : doesnt your phrase true price indicate you dont believe in emh?
[2016-03-28 02:42:09] rapidtrades : pleb has a point
[2016-03-28 02:42:09] nip : miramm1115: i sometimes deleverage at the peaks
[2016-03-28 02:42:11] laisee : ... exactly. dips don't lie
[2016-03-28 02:42:57] nip : markets are efficient...unless the price is wrong but that somehow doesnt disprove emh?
[2016-03-28 02:43:09] nip : because it isnt "true price" so doesnt count?
[2016-03-28 02:43:59] miramm1115 : true price of everything is zero if you wait long enough
[2016-03-28 02:44:04] laisee : I'm not a believer in EMH, personally.
[2016-03-28 02:44:30] nip : no reason to be here if you were
[2016-03-28 02:44:46] rapidtrades : hehe
[2016-03-28 02:44:49] laisee : nip: true, dat
[2016-03-28 02:45:01] rapidtrades : we actually had a random walker here for a while
[2016-03-28 02:45:17] laisee : keynes had it right ... markets are like beauty contest where you should pick the one that other judges like, not the one you like.
[2016-03-28 02:45:23] nip : put orders at midpoint, get rebate, cant lose?
[2016-03-28 02:45:42] nip : if your order fills it cant be a bad price. free money for random walkers
[2016-03-28 02:46:56] laisee : markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay liquid ... random walkers get run over
[2016-03-28 02:47:33] rapidtrades : right....and that's when we make our money
[2016-03-28 02:47:52] nip : cant get run over if you dont leverage
[2016-03-28 02:48:53] laisee : nip: there is always opp cost? like staying in BTC position when ETH is pumpin'
[2016-03-28 02:49:17] rapidtrades : both bc and eth could be 0 in 10 yrs
[2016-03-28 02:49:25] nip : yeah thats a terrible idea
[2016-03-28 02:49:27] rapidtrades : this is still unproven technology
[2016-03-28 02:49:32] nip : could be, wont be
[2016-03-28 02:49:32] miramm1115 : and your unrealized PNL is still money. if you don't realize it into money you pay your mortgage with you didn't make anything
[2016-03-28 02:50:10] rapidtrades : right, u can't bag hold if u trade for a living
[2016-03-28 02:50:24] nip : if you pay your mortgatge with it you didnt make anything either
[2016-03-28 02:50:45] nip : just the middleman
[2016-03-28 02:51:32] miramm1115 : ok, realize it into money you buy your food with
[2016-03-28 02:51:40] laisee : hence, bitcoin to cut out the financial system and its middlemen.
[2016-03-28 02:51:56] nip : and eth to cut out the bitcoin and its middlemen
[2016-03-28 02:51:57] laisee : except thats not how it seems to be turning out
[2016-03-28 02:52:31] laisee : nip: too true. the best thing about BTC is we have ETH and DASH and XDN and ...
[2016-03-28 02:53:12] nip : you forgot ltc
[2016-03-28 02:53:38] rapidtrades : miramm1115: are u micmix
[2016-03-28 02:53:41] laisee : heh. we'll always have LTC, though it's not sexy like b4 ...
[2016-03-28 02:54:05] nip : its a fast and cheap bitcoin
[2016-03-28 02:54:08] nip : it trades the same lately
[2016-03-28 02:54:27] laisee : and same scaling issue, no?
[2016-03-28 02:54:27] miramm1115 : rapidtrades: yes, I shouldn't chat from this account but I'm too lazy to look for my phone to switch :-)
[2016-03-28 02:55:02] laisee : well spotted, rapidtrades
[2016-03-28 02:55:20] nip : how are eth shorts not liquidated
[2016-03-28 02:55:29] nip : right now
[2016-03-28 02:55:52] rapidtrades : how? cos eth is down almost 50%
[2016-03-28 02:56:01] miramm1115 : IDK, my is in profit
[2016-03-28 02:56:05] nip : its way up today
[2016-03-28 02:56:25] laisee : I'm HIGH on ETH
[2016-03-28 03:00:05] j8 : micmix always the voice of reason
[2016-03-28 03:13:36] micmix : thank you j8 :-)
[2016-03-28 03:14:18] micmix : and that miramm guy is an impostor, don't believe anything he says :-)
[2016-03-28 03:15:14] j8 : lol
[2016-03-28 03:16:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.02634
[2016-03-28 03:19:28] messiaen8844 : NYT covering Ethereum
[2016-03-28 03:20:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 79 @ 0.02646
[2016-03-28 03:35:19] nip : :)
[2016-03-28 06:50:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM16`: Buy 4500 @ 491.56
[2016-03-28 07:16:28] mpkomara : HONK HONK
[2016-03-28 07:24:23] Techemy : damn - whaleclub called really well: http://bravenewcoin.com/news/bitcoin-price-analysis-bullish-momentum-at-last/
[2016-03-28 07:31:24] rapidtrades : cmon losers, $2 premium still? time to give up the dream
[2016-03-28 08:38:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1000 @ 0.02606
[2016-03-28 09:46:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 549 @ 0.02583
[2016-03-28 11:47:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 75 @ 424.50
[2016-03-28 11:58:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4175 @ 424.02
[2016-03-28 12:02:25] rapidtrades : god dam what a great day
[2016-03-28 12:02:29] rapidtrades : time for round 2!
[2016-03-28 12:28:03] Bauer : Weird.. I went long at 426.15 and got liquidated at 421.9 even though XBT spot price was at 424 at that time O_o
[2016-03-28 12:29:27] BombaUcigasa : Fair price is not fair :P
[2016-03-28 12:30:05] rapidtrades : Bauer: exchange adds a buffer to the price...that's why its better to exit yourself and not rely on execution price
[2016-03-28 12:30:30] Bauer : Oh.. ok. Good to know
[2016-03-28 12:31:17] rapidtrades : u can send a ticket to support but that's most likely what happened
[2016-03-28 12:46:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 25 @ 423.65
[2016-03-28 12:50:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10000 @ 422.92
[2016-03-28 12:52:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1398 @ 422.32
[2016-03-28 13:12:18] rapidtrades : any predictions fellas?
[2016-03-28 13:14:39] nip : eth is going up
[2016-03-28 13:18:45] nip : BitMEX team: maybe you could list the next a50 contract before the current one expires in a few days?
[2016-03-28 15:16:46] BitMEX_Wally : nip: `A50J16` is scheduled to launch tomorrow: https://www.bitmex.com/app/contract/A50J16
[2016-03-28 15:17:32] nip : great, thanks
[2016-03-28 16:32:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1255 @ 0.02747
[2016-03-28 16:32:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 92 @ 0.02748
[2016-03-28 16:32:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 18 @ 0.02748
[2016-03-28 16:32:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.02759
[2016-03-28 16:33:55] mpkomara : CYA LATER HONK HONK
[2016-03-28 18:02:42] rapidtrades : morans at finex still flying high as a kite
[2016-03-28 18:25:46] viptrader : damn so much rekt on eth
[2016-03-28 19:43:31] dmbtmxdm : anyone from bitmex here?
[2016-03-28 19:43:38] dmbtmxdm : @viptrader, yep
[2016-03-28 19:45:52] BitMEX_Greg : Hi @dmbtmxdm; am I able to help?
[2016-03-28 19:46:43] dmbtmxdm : Hey Greg, I'm just wondering, what will decrease eth spread? Is it that we need more market makers?
[2016-03-28 19:48:16] BitMEX_Greg : Yeah that could decrease the spread
[2016-03-28 19:48:47] BitMEX_Greg : Guess it also depends on how the market makers hedge their risk too and what cost they achieve that at
[2016-03-28 20:55:45] viptrader : so ETH moon or doom?
[2016-03-28 21:07:31] nip : moon
[2016-03-28 21:20:58] mpkomara : ITS UPLIFTING
[2016-03-28 21:21:03] mpkomara : ITS STRATOSPHERIC
[2016-03-28 21:22:24] sleger : mpkomara: cant afford a new keyboard with unbroken caps lock key ?
[2016-03-28 21:23:39] mpkomara : NOPE. TOO BUSY PUTTING MY MONEY INTO MY NEW YACHT, THE SS CONTANGO
[2016-03-28 21:24:54] mpkomara : FINANCED THROUGH LAND LUBBERS SHORTING THE ETHEREUM HONK HONK
[2016-03-28 21:29:41] yerb : yeah whats with the damn caps?
[2016-03-28 21:30:06] yerb : and i feel sorry for ppl dreaming abou tyachts
[2016-03-28 21:32:41] mpkomara : yerb: THEYRE CALLED THE SS ARBITRAGE AND THE SS CONTANGO. THANKS THO HONK HONK
[2016-03-28 21:33:11] yerb : disable caps youre too loud
[2016-03-29 01:06:21] viptrader : eth at 267
[2016-03-29 01:32:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1 @ 424.68 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-29 01:45:04] fruitdealer : hey, does the excel plugin work, just installed
[2016-03-29 01:45:30] fruitdealer : And it gives "#VALUE!" for Bid/Ask prices
[2016-03-29 01:45:37] fruitdealer : everything else seems fine
[2016-03-29 01:46:04] BitMEX_Arthur : Hmm
[2016-03-29 01:46:12] BitMEX_Arthur : It should work, but I haven't used it in a while
[2016-03-29 01:46:24] BitMEX_Arthur : Did you Addin the excel library for the price functions
[2016-03-29 01:46:52] fruitdealer : yes, I am able to get the instruments
[2016-03-29 01:47:01] BitMEX_Arthur : haha does Hosie know ur trading Bitcoin :smirk:
[2016-03-29 01:47:05] fruitdealer : =BitMexInstrumentsActive()
[2016-03-29 01:47:07] fruitdealer : works
[2016-03-29 01:47:16] BitMEX_Arthur : hmm, can you try and refresh your sheet
[2016-03-29 01:47:20] fruitdealer : =BitMexInstruments("XBT24H")
[2016-03-29 01:47:23] fruitdealer : works
[2016-03-29 01:47:43] fruitdealer : but ... =BitMexAsk("XBT24H", 0) doesn't
[2016-03-29 01:47:57] fruitdealer : been hitting F9 like no 2moro
[2016-03-29 01:47:57] BitMEX_Arthur : What about =BitMexAsk("XBT24H")
[2016-03-29 01:48:26] fruitdealer : nope, that doesn't work
[2016-03-29 01:49:04] BitMEX_Arthur : ok that plugin hasn't been worked on for a while, i'll have to get someone to update it, i suggest using the google sheets one for now, it's not real time but better than nothing
[2016-03-29 04:09:51] viptrader : why people buying ETH here when they can buy it at 0.016 tomorrow
[2016-03-29 04:09:59] viptrader : tomrrow*
[2016-03-29 04:11:46] viptrader : ?
[2016-03-29 05:25:28] BitMEX_Wally : viptrader: If you can buy it at 0.016 then why are you not shorting the future all the way down?
[2016-03-29 05:29:14] BitMEX_Wally : That's a 41% return, or 1024% return with leverage...
[2016-03-29 05:45:09] cengel : Hi Wally, currently Affiliate links are hanging on "Please Wait..." with testnet logo showing
[2016-03-29 05:53:17] BitMEX_Wally : cengel: Thanks for letting us know, looks like we've broken something
[2016-03-29 05:53:47] cengel : No worries
[2016-03-29 09:27:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 7200 @ 421.39
[2016-03-29 09:28:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 288 @ 421.14
[2016-03-29 09:28:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3000 @ 420.79
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2316 @ 420.51
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1500 @ 420.40
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-03-29 09:29:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 242 @ 420.44
[2016-03-29 09:32:56] habibi : hello folks
[2016-03-29 10:51:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4032 @ 420.04
[2016-03-29 10:52:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 417 @ 419.78
[2016-03-29 10:54:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4472 @ 419.69
[2016-03-29 10:54:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 333 @ 421.63
[2016-03-29 10:59:57] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-03-29 10:59:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 422 @ 419.97
[2016-03-29 11:27:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 400 @ 0.02746
[2016-03-29 11:28:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 74 @ 0.02758
[2016-03-29 11:31:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 200 @ 0.02788
[2016-03-29 11:49:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 373 @ 418.26
[2016-03-29 11:49:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 7000 @ 418.00
[2016-03-29 11:50:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1000 @ 417.68
[2016-03-29 11:57:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 9000 @ 416.02
[2016-03-29 12:00:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 20 @ 475.01
[2016-03-29 12:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1525 @ 414.30
[2016-03-29 12:02:06] tscha : hahahaha
[2016-03-29 12:02:07] rapidtrades : any news?
[2016-03-29 12:02:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 156 @ 411.96
[2016-03-29 12:03:02] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-03-29 12:03:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 3456 @ 468.87
[2016-03-29 12:03:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 45 @ 408.50
[2016-03-29 12:03:17] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 8500 @ 407.33
[2016-03-29 12:03:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTU16`: Sell 896 @ 535.16
[2016-03-29 12:09:17] mrp1nk : party time
[2016-03-29 12:11:49] rapidtrades : HONK HOONK
[2016-03-29 12:17:12] Mangalica : big triangle still intact, party time will be if we break down
[2016-03-29 12:18:08] rapidtrades : shut up feg
[2016-03-29 12:18:12] mrp1nk : Mangalica: i agree. but this drop was surely painful
[2016-03-29 12:19:44] rapidtrades : i got suckered into a long too
[2016-03-29 12:19:53] atodorov07 : im buyin
[2016-03-29 12:19:59] rapidtrades : same pattern as on Christmas, pushing up on light volume followed by reversal
[2016-03-29 12:21:36] Mangalica : mrp1nk yeah people who bought the breakout earlier got rekt
[2016-03-29 12:31:52] rapidtrades : #backtowork trending on twitter
[2016-03-29 12:32:13] rapidtrades : keep up the grind plebs
[2016-03-29 12:38:46] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 6866 @ 413.66
[2016-03-29 12:40:34] Mangalica : timing is everything
[2016-03-29 12:51:50] laisee : ETH gonna fly now ...
[2016-03-29 13:02:17] zanza : wooooosh
[2016-03-29 13:54:07] splash : this latest action in btc... man it smells like manipulation. stoploss hunting and what not
[2016-03-29 13:54:34] splash : not bitmex futs related, im talking the exhcnages here
[2016-03-29 13:54:39] splash : anyone disagree?
[2016-03-29 13:55:47] splash : sl hunting before breakout of triangle to be specific
[2016-03-29 14:02:13] sleger : making market move 3-5% is not gonna trigger any stop
[2016-03-29 14:03:00] j8 : it's clear that some people are overleveraged in situations like this, and other people profit from their capitulation, stops/liquidations... i dunno when you call it manipulation
[2016-03-29 14:11:51] j8 : sleger: looks like over 40k contracts liquidated on okc quarterly. that counts
[2016-03-29 14:13:22] sleger : j8: yes indeed, thats true
[2016-03-29 14:13:56] sleger : but any 10+ point move down is always called manipulation it's just ridiculous
[2016-03-29 14:15:40] splash : sleger: u got a point there
[2016-03-29 14:15:43] j8 : agreed, it's just a little long squeeze for people on 20x
[2016-03-29 14:16:16] splash : do u agree that is has to do with the narrowing of the trading channel?
[2016-03-29 14:16:46] laisee : normal rekkage @ okc ... keeps people on their toes
[2016-03-29 14:17:20] sleger : splash: i dont believe in trading channels or most TA for that matter, they never work
[2016-03-29 14:17:50] splash : sleger: ok then i understand ur viewpoint
[2016-03-29 14:18:08] sleger : even in tier 1 banks (GS ...) chartists dont have trading book
[2016-03-29 14:18:28] sleger : they just make graphs that look cute to get clients into trading either way so the bank can collect the fee
[2016-03-29 14:19:30] splash : sleger: i understand why some people dont believe in ta
[2016-03-29 14:20:10] splash : actually i dont believe in TA as a prediction of future events, but I believe in it as a way to calc odds
[2016-03-29 14:20:18] sleger : and I wonder why some do ? none of the top hedge funds consistently profitable use it, none of the high freq prop shops that make money all the time use it ....
[2016-03-29 14:21:32] splash : sleger: i think ta is useful since ive been able to make money using it. i can only speak for myself. i can c why people who dont profit from using ta dont use it and also why some people that dont trade profitable continue using it
[2016-03-29 14:22:36] sleger : but if you take 100 monkeys and give them buy and sell keys, probably ~45 will make some kind of positive money as long as they cant hit it too often
[2016-03-29 14:23:13] j8 : i don't like lines on charts, i like some indicators though. not to say anything definitive but just to see the data in a different way
[2016-03-29 14:23:31] splash : sleger: yes its true. when i was doing algo trading i did a random "monkey" trading strategy that confirms this
[2016-03-29 14:24:08] sleger : so maybe it s just 45 monkeys that think they made money thanks to TA that are still using it
[2016-03-29 14:25:04] splash : sleger: i have not way of proving that this is not so. but that in itself is not proof that it doesnt work
[2016-03-29 14:25:24] splash : sleger: so as long as i make more money then what i loose, why change the strategy?
[2016-03-29 14:25:44] sleger : no but the fact that none of the highly successful HF firms dont and none of the top quant hedge funds dont is more so (at least to me)
[2016-03-29 14:26:07] splash : sleger: i dont believe that u have access to this kind of information
[2016-03-29 14:26:17] sleger : I do though
[2016-03-29 14:26:21] splash : lol
[2016-03-29 14:26:29] splash : thats funny
[2016-03-29 14:26:49] sleger : as I've worked for some of them, manage a profitable HF desk and have friends in some of the top hedge funds that manage 1bn$ portfolios
[2016-03-29 14:27:47] splash : even if that were true, does that give you insight into ALL succefull hedge funds of this world?
[2016-03-29 14:28:14] j8 : splash: a lot of strategies seem to work for a while, then fail big time when the market changes. so if it's working for you, just make sure you're taking out profits as you go. and be ready to adapt
[2016-03-29 14:28:19] sleger : no not all, but that's sufficient to me, that any of those would laugh at you if you mention TA
[2016-03-29 14:28:48] rapidtrades : depends what u mean by TA...if u look at the definition, any start that use past data to predict future events is TA
[2016-03-29 14:29:03] sleger : sorry by TA i mean chartists
[2016-03-29 14:29:20] sleger : as j8 said, people who make lines on graphs
[2016-03-29 14:30:06] sleger : all those people exist in banks, and no trader even look at their emails, it's only to give to clients so they feel like they receive a special service and to make them trade more so that the bank can collect fees
[2016-03-29 14:32:09] j8 : tradingview chat would love to hear that
[2016-03-29 14:32:18] mpkomara : TA IS A JOKE ROFL
[2016-03-29 14:33:23] mpkomara : MATHS FTW
[2016-03-29 14:34:00] rapidtrades : again depends what u mean by chartists....some ''lines'' do matter
[2016-03-29 14:34:35] sleger : yes actually 2 of them, the x axis and the y axis
[2016-03-29 14:34:44] mpkomara : LOL
[2016-03-29 14:35:37] rapidtrades : the 00 or 50 are good example
[2016-03-29 14:37:06] sleger : the grid is useful sometimes too indeed
[2016-03-29 14:37:15] Johnny1989 : how to close a trade ?
[2016-03-29 14:37:35] sleger : reverse buy or sell
[2016-03-29 14:38:01] Johnny1989 : thank u
[2016-03-29 14:38:39] mpkomara : "ERRR theres a teacup head and shoulders possible break 70 rsi MACD tiering up near the top bollinger band"
[2016-03-29 14:38:41] mpkomara : god i hate chartists
[2016-03-29 14:39:26] rapidtrades : the only thing i use these days are horizontal lines...no channels/patterns or triangles
[2016-03-29 14:40:01] rapidtrades : even trend lines are dubious and rarely useful
[2016-03-29 14:40:47] mpkomara : none of its useful
[2016-03-29 14:41:00] mpkomara : math is useful
[2016-03-29 14:41:17] rapidtrades : mpkomara: what do u know about math feg
[2016-03-29 14:41:37] mpkomara : a lot HONK HONK
[2016-03-29 14:41:46] rapidtrades : mpkomara: like what....
[2016-03-29 14:42:04] sleger : I bet he doesnt know about 11=14?
[2016-03-29 14:42:07] mpkomara : i don't feel a need to explain further
[2016-03-29 14:42:09] splash : sleger: what do they use if not lines?
[2016-03-29 14:42:22] sleger : splash: algos, stats ...
[2016-03-29 14:42:37] splash : sleger: but stochastic prosses doesnt work either
[2016-03-29 14:42:42] rapidtrades : sleger: stats based on what tho
[2016-03-29 14:42:55] splash : yes exactly
[2016-03-29 14:42:58] rapidtrades : u have to plug in smth to look for
[2016-03-29 14:43:01] sleger : splash: i think you're mixing things up completely now if you mention "stochastic process"
[2016-03-29 14:43:13] mpkomara : dont tell them anything sleger
[2016-03-29 14:43:29] splash : sleger: perhaps i did. but what kind of stats are u thinking about then?
[2016-03-29 14:44:07] sleger : splash: no i dont think you do, and this is a full time job that not many people have the capability / knowledge / education to do anyways
[2016-03-29 14:44:17] mpkomara : i <3 quanto futures!
[2016-03-29 14:44:17] splash : lo
[2016-03-29 14:44:34] splash : sleger: lol youre basically full of it :)
[2016-03-29 14:44:48] splash : wouldnt be too surprised if u tried to sell something to me soon
[2016-03-29 14:45:17] sleger : sure : i'll give you 1 doge if you stop typing in the chat for 1 year, want to buy in ?
[2016-03-29 14:45:19] mpkomara : hes not full of it
[2016-03-29 14:45:58] splash : sleger: ur wasting my time so tell u what. im going to ignore you forever for free. bye
[2016-03-29 14:46:04] mpkomara : 99.9% of people in here are literally flipping coins trying to spin up some cryptos
[2016-03-29 14:46:06] rapidtrades : unless u go full on data mining, u have to tell the computer to look for things....could be daily high/low/close etc...or moving average or volume or whatever
[2016-03-29 14:46:22] rapidtrades : most of this stuff shows up on a chart
[2016-03-29 14:46:30] mpkomara : its not worth his time or ANYONES time to explain how math is paramount in trading
[2016-03-29 14:46:58] rapidtrades : we all use math u nitwit
[2016-03-29 14:47:02] mpkomara : ROFL ROFL yeah sure lemme get some moving averages on my chart thats what i need
[2016-03-29 14:47:06] mpkomara : gettemmmmm
[2016-03-29 14:47:35] sleger : i guess it's normal that people refuse to believe that whatever they have been trusting for so long doesnt work, especially if they were part of the lucky 45 monkeys
[2016-03-29 14:48:52] rapidtrades : there's plenty of research across many markets that some parts of TA work
[2016-03-29 14:49:06] mpkomara : sure thing boss
[2016-03-29 14:49:25] laisee : the charts work pretty well if you look at the past
[2016-03-29 14:49:39] mpkomara : i bet they do CHIEF
[2016-03-29 14:49:42] laisee : ... and you have a time machine
[2016-03-29 14:50:30] rapidtrades : well thats what pretty much everyone's doing....looking at past data to come up with systems
[2016-03-29 14:51:17] mpkomara : are they?
[2016-03-29 14:51:23] laisee : duh. means you can explain the past if you find the right chart i.e. useless
[2016-03-29 14:52:08] rapidtrades : do u understand what reseach means? its not looking at a chart and making a subjective decision @laisee
[2016-03-29 14:53:00] laisee : oh rilly? silly me.
[2016-03-29 14:53:54] rapidtrades : yeah ur pretty silly
[2016-03-29 14:55:15] laisee : got me ... damn. I guess the time I spent building trading research apps for commodity derivatives desk don't count none.
[2016-03-29 14:55:36] mpkomara : they dont, sorry.
[2016-03-29 14:55:39] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-03-29 14:56:00] rapidtrades : programmers are shitty traders
[2016-03-29 14:56:38] laisee : whats ur excuse?
[2016-03-29 14:56:49] 1z6 : zing
[2016-03-29 14:56:49] laisee : ;-)
[2016-03-29 14:57:28] rapidtrades : thats like saying i bulit a F1 car, so im a racer
[2016-03-29 14:57:51] rapidtrades : no ur just a mechanic, sit down and shut up
[2016-03-29 14:58:40] laisee : nah, follow the logic ... it means I built some research systems for trading & none of it used TA at all ... by request of the traders
[2016-03-29 14:58:54] rapidtrades : are u sure#
[2016-03-29 14:58:57] mpkomara : research systems for trading
[2016-03-29 14:58:58] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 14:59:00] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 14:59:11] mpkomara : nice job cheef
[2016-03-29 14:59:13] rapidtrades : did it use past data to predict future prices?
[2016-03-29 14:59:36] sleger : I believe he is using TA to say chartist
[2016-03-29 14:59:41] laisee : nah, thats your technique for getting rich, right?
[2016-03-29 14:59:58] rapidtrades : ok well thats new to me
[2016-03-29 15:00:13] laisee : sleger: commods traders seem to prefer fundamental data, not yesterdays TA.
[2016-03-29 15:00:44] mpkomara : thats why commodity traders are fucking pikers
[2016-03-29 15:01:02] rapidtrades : dude trading by fundametal data is the slowest way to make money
[2016-03-29 15:01:40] rapidtrades : by slow i mean it can take months or years to see the reesult u want
[2016-03-29 15:01:50] mpkomara : have you listened to commodities traders talk about oil or gold or palladium. FUNNY STUFF
[2016-03-29 15:01:59] rapidtrades : so speed is not a factor
[2016-03-29 15:02:01] laisee : rapidtrades: it paid off for my guys, and me. ;-)
[2016-03-29 15:02:17] mpkomara : congratulations
[2016-03-29 15:02:24] laisee : mpkomara: they're a weird bunch, true.
[2016-03-29 15:02:37] sleger : I believe you are their guy, not the other way around
[2016-03-29 15:03:09] mrp1nk : > be me on the consensus pump some weeks ago. calling top at 450 $ according to big triangle. ppl here laughing about me, saying "abitrary lines are abitrary". price hits 453, drops like a rock. conclusion: TA is useless...
[2016-03-29 15:03:13] laisee : sleger: where guy == IT bitch.
[2016-03-29 15:03:27] sleger : yes
[2016-03-29 15:03:52] laisee : call me names, as long as you pay me ... :-D
[2016-03-29 15:04:02] sleger : mrp1nk: no you got it wrong, TA is useless because it doesnt work, nothing to do with your "prediction"
[2016-03-29 15:04:03] BombaUcigasa : ok Shirley, calm down
[2016-03-29 15:04:40] mpkomara : a broken clock is right twice a day
[2016-03-29 15:04:47] laisee : I never met a professional trader who used TA.
[2016-03-29 15:05:04] mpkomara : laisee: and you never will
[2016-03-29 15:05:10] sleger : splash wont believe you !
[2016-03-29 15:05:32] mrp1nk : sleger: what if many ppl trade according to S/R lines, triangle? it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy
[2016-03-29 15:05:41] laisee : BillionaireChartist user name is still available for splash or anyone else
[2016-03-29 15:05:58] mpkomara : ROFL
[2016-03-29 15:06:03] sleger : mrp1nk: lol
[2016-03-29 15:06:10] laisee : mrp1nk: thats the only reason traders read TA, to see where the "dumb" money might be placed.
[2016-03-29 15:07:24] rapidtrades : laisee: TA traders will run circles around fundametal traders...its not even close
[2016-03-29 15:07:43] splash : laisee: r u using ur own apps to trade with?
[2016-03-29 15:07:44] rapidtrades : trust me if FA worked i would've used it instead....i still partially use it
[2016-03-29 15:08:01] laisee : rapidtrades: shows you don't know any professional traders, then.
[2016-03-29 15:08:11] laisee : splash: sometimes
[2016-03-29 15:08:11] mpkomara : rapidtrades what about dem quantitatives?
[2016-03-29 15:09:03] rapidtrades : since u guys haven't shared anything no point in continuing this academic debate
[2016-03-29 15:09:11] mrp1nk : tbh i was also always skeptical about TA, but meanwhile i saw many charts in which dips exactly hit support lines - almost surgical
[2016-03-29 15:09:13] mpkomara : wtf do you want me to share?
[2016-03-29 15:09:45] rapidtrades : well how u trade without TA, in broad terms if u don't want to give ur ''secret sauce''
[2016-03-29 15:09:47] sleger : just tell them how citadel makes money then they'll leave you alone
[2016-03-29 15:09:58] BombaUcigasa : I have one of those charts for today
[2016-03-29 15:10:01] BombaUcigasa : But nobody cares
[2016-03-29 15:10:03] laisee : rapidtrades: we shared our wisdom and worldly knowledge. aint that enough?
[2016-03-29 15:10:29] mpkomara : most people in here dont even know how quantos work so its pointless for me to 'explain something'
[2016-03-29 15:10:32] laisee : sleger: or renaissance, better example imo
[2016-03-29 15:10:34] rapidtrades : saying X doesn't work doesnt make u wise, it just makes u small minded
[2016-03-29 15:10:35] mpkomara : keep doin that TA rapidtrades
[2016-03-29 15:10:47] mpkomara : do you chief do YOU
[2016-03-29 15:11:07] sleger : laisee: yes renaissance or 2sigma are better example but most people have never heard of them
[2016-03-29 15:11:40] laisee : sleger: dem guys got the quant thing down. or something clever.