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[2016-03-15 17:24:48] sleger : it's not like you made 1000btc through it
[2016-03-15 17:27:03] habibi : cengel: just say on which tier u are
[2016-03-15 17:27:35] habibi : ah nvm, it will be of course 3rd one, forgot it changed a bit from old tier system
[2016-03-15 17:28:15] cengel : yes
[2016-03-15 17:28:31] sleger : Total Turnover 65,038.2768 XBT
[2016-03-15 17:28:46] sleger : 3rd tier is quite easy to reach
[2016-03-15 17:29:13] rapidtrades : what do u think about long okc futures short here?
[2016-03-15 17:29:22] sleger : which maturities
[2016-03-15 17:29:33] rapidtrades : longest so june
[2016-03-15 17:30:00] sleger : why not, but not too much leverage
[2016-03-15 17:30:39] rapidtrades : still trying to work out if u can bet on weaker yuan with btc in a cost effective way
[2016-03-15 17:31:12] sleger : that would be one way to do it but 0kc is 50% usd
[2016-03-15 17:31:58] rapidtrades : right but what's the alternative?...u can't CNY if u don't have any
[2016-03-15 17:32:22] sleger : 796 or bitvc
[2016-03-15 17:32:36] rapidtrades : ah ok, so they're 100% cny?
[2016-03-15 17:32:44] sleger : close enough
[2016-03-15 17:32:57] rapidtrades : thanks didn't know that
[2016-03-15 17:33:17] sleger : 796 has 0 fee but more risky exchange wise
[2016-03-15 17:33:23] rapidtrades : i'll look into bitvc...796 seems a bit shady to hold long-term
[2016-03-15 17:33:25] sleger : its also quite illiquid
[2016-03-15 17:34:19] rapidtrades : i got out of all my okc futures shorts today, will sleep a lot better without that cny exposure
[2016-03-15 17:34:51] rapidtrades : usd/cny may be slowly turning up
[2016-03-15 17:41:15] chromaticcr : bitvc is okcoin-like, inverse
[2016-03-15 17:51:57] Mangalica : 796 used to be huge about 2-2.5 years ago, then they lost a lot of users due to a couple of socialized loss incidents (no insurance) and became a ghost town within months
[2016-03-15 18:01:45] splash : "socialized loss"
[2016-03-15 18:01:48] splash : :)
[2016-03-15 18:02:05] splash : reminds me of banks
[2016-03-15 18:02:33] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, they had a few really bad losses
[2016-03-15 18:02:38] BitMEX_Sam : I think one was 100%, which doesn't even seem possible
[2016-03-15 18:02:42] BitMEX_Sam : They tried a 50x instrument for a short time
[2016-03-15 18:03:44] splash : i can say something bad about all exchanges ive ever used, besides bitmex
[2016-03-15 18:04:52] splash : and that is also true for stock market exchanges actually
[2016-03-15 18:05:06] splash : and dont get me started on forex brokers
[2016-03-15 18:05:59] splash : from what i gather, bitmex seems so make its money by improving their services. i think you guys are going to get market share in time because of this
[2016-03-15 18:07:05] BitMEX_Sam : :) That's the idea, to keep iterating until we're clearly the best choice
[2016-03-15 18:07:42] splash : youre definately on your way
[2016-03-15 18:09:24] arbitrage001 : bitmex make any profit after expenses?
[2016-03-15 18:11:39] splash : BitMEX_Sam: whats ur take on B&C Exchange and other similar things on Ethereum?
[2016-03-15 18:12:17] BitMEX_Sam : arbitrage001: I can't really comment on that, but we stay viable by focusing on futures solely and by staying out of spot
[2016-03-15 18:12:42] BitMEX_Sam : splash: I'm not sure familiar with B&C, but there are some interesting decentralized exchange ideas
[2016-03-15 18:12:46] BitMEX_Sam : BitShares is quite well done
[2016-03-15 18:13:06] arbitrage001 : BitMEX_Sam: why stay out of spot?
[2016-03-15 18:13:17] BitMEX_Sam : Because it introduces a massive amount of complexity into the business
[2016-03-15 18:13:21] BitMEX_Sam : And many other businesses do it quite well already
[2016-03-15 18:13:47] BitMEX_Sam : We could potentially do crypto<->crypto spot, but fiat<->crypto introduces significant overhead
[2016-03-15 18:14:13] Mangalica : yeah i can see that
[2016-03-15 18:14:25] Mangalica : much easier to just handle crypto
[2016-03-15 18:15:45] splash : BitMEX_Sam: needless to say I think the futures market is the perfect thing
[2016-03-15 18:16:07] splash : BitMEX_Sam: especially for shit coins that you want to short sell
[2016-03-15 18:16:09] BitMEX_Sam : I don't believe we can really do spot better than other exchanges - it's a very time-intensive business
[2016-03-15 18:16:34] BitMEX_Sam : But compared to other exchanges we have a significant advantage in our technology and finance experience, so derivatives are the perfect way to leverage that
[2016-03-15 18:17:07] Mangalica : once you (as a user) have crypto you can just send it anywhere with next to no friction, so running a crypto only show is not a big disadvantage. It's not like changing brokerage accounts or wiring money overseas.
[2016-03-15 18:19:48] Mangalica : The whole racket (ecosystem) we have with Bitcoin and the like never ceases to amaze me, even though i use it daily. One QR code and a couple of confirmations is all it takes to deploy my capital anywhere, any time.
[2016-03-15 18:34:16] rapidtrades : rly not that big of a deal, u can do it with paypal instantly
[2016-03-15 18:43:47] j8 : with volume limits and percentage fees?
[2016-03-15 18:44:55] rapidtrades : there are alternatives with capped fees....plus there's always cards, usually online shoppiing is free with those
[2016-03-15 18:45:06] rapidtrades : limits are for plebs
[2016-03-15 18:49:56] j8 : you can move a million dollars (in btc) in an hour and it costs like 10 cents. is there really a service that does better than that
[2016-03-15 18:50:40] arbitrage001 : j8: volatility and conversion fee are cost too
[2016-03-15 18:51:45] j8 : they're not inherent costs though, they're the cost of insisting to use something other than bitcoin :)
[2016-03-15 19:43:17] rapidtrades : what's the point of moving money around if u can't use it
[2016-03-15 19:44:57] rapidtrades : I've never wired 1mil but usually banks have capped fees for this....it prolly won't cost more then $100
[2016-03-15 19:45:22] rapidtrades : and u can actually withdraw that cash and use it unlike btc
[2016-03-15 19:46:52] rapidtrades : problem with banks is sending small amounts, where a fixed $20 or $50 fee will r^ape u....and for that u can use paypal alternatives,cards etc...
[2016-03-15 19:50:32] rapidtrades : on the other hand if u want to withdraw ur btc and actually use it, u still have to pay that bank transfer plus 0.2% plus spread
[2016-03-15 19:52:51] Teddy76 : you can avoid spread and bank wire is often free
[2016-03-15 19:53:33] rapidtrades : i wanna see u avoid a spread with 1 mil in btc
[2016-03-15 19:54:23] rapidtrades : bank wires are never free...sepa's can be cheap but they're capped at few 1000s
[2016-03-15 19:57:00] rapidtrades : point is to use ur BTC, at some point you have to use the banking system anyway and u have other costs on top of that
[2016-03-15 19:57:57] Teddy76 : where do you
[2016-03-15 19:58:01] Teddy76 : leave?
[2016-03-15 19:58:23] rapidtrades : i'm not leaving
[2016-03-15 19:58:38] Teddy76 : in certain country, you can spend btc on many shop
[2016-03-15 19:58:44] Teddy76 : lol, living
[2016-03-15 19:58:53] rapidtrades : what country woud that be :)
[2016-03-15 20:00:10] Teddy76 : usa, via giftcard
[2016-03-15 20:00:29] rapidtrades : fair point unfortunetly not usa
[2016-03-15 20:01:13] Teddy76 : and i heard about another country where there is a service like paypal who accept btc, don't rembember where exactly
[2016-03-15 20:01:30] rapidtrades : but shopping with cards is free to teh customer anyway so using gift cards just adds more inconvenience
[2016-03-15 20:01:45] Teddy76 : yes, of course
[2016-03-15 20:02:14] Teddy76 : anyway, bitcoin isn't yet very user friendly
[2016-03-15 20:02:57] rapidtrades : convenience is definitely not its selling point
[2016-03-15 20:21:45] kb1985 : Getting into SYS now might be like getting into ETH in January. It would be cool to have SYS longs/shorts hre.
[2016-03-15 20:22:32] kb1985 : ETH chapter seems to be closing now, at least in price-related issues, of course there will be DAPPS developments but market is trying to find new pump and I guess peopel are betting on SYS now. Consider adding it.
[2016-03-15 20:23:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `FCT7D`: Buy 8 @ 0.00492
[2016-03-15 21:02:06] splash : what is SYS?
[2016-03-15 21:04:08] kb1985 : Well, it seems like SYS is the new pump on the block.
[2016-03-15 21:04:47] splash : ooooh my goood
[2016-03-15 21:04:51] splash : wat a shit coin
[2016-03-15 21:05:01] splash : n people r buying that?
[2016-03-15 21:05:06] splash : incredible
[2016-03-15 21:06:08] splash : then again maybe those black market loving people find a use for it. who knows... i dont know
[2016-03-15 21:09:04] kb1985 : People are buying whatever will bring them money. ;)
[2016-03-15 21:09:17] kb1985 : The trick is to buy the same.
[2016-03-15 21:09:27] rapidtrades : oh the irony
[2016-03-15 21:09:29] kb1985 : They got lots of profits on ETH and now changing thehype to SYS.
[2016-03-15 21:09:35] kb1985 : Yeah. :D
[2016-03-15 21:10:12] splash : im pulling up the chart... i c what u mean
[2016-03-15 21:10:15] splash : crazy
[2016-03-15 21:10:30] rapidtrades : etherium holders calling other coins shit
[2016-03-15 21:15:24] splash : lol
[2016-03-15 21:20:01] BitMEX_Sam : j8: I was incorrect about the September future launch, it will list on Friday, 1 week before H16 expiry
[2016-03-15 21:20:15] j8 : oh perfect
[2016-03-15 21:22:08] S410520 : BitMEX_Sam: nice was hoping to see that here
[2016-03-15 21:22:26] S410520 : also I see wallet ballance in the corner , not sure if it was there before, I like it :D
[2016-03-15 21:22:54] BitMEX_Sam : S410520: Oh yeah, that's been there for ages
[2016-03-15 21:24:55] kb1985 : I really like the exchange. Would be happy for it to grow. You should find way to attract more people. The interface, the support, the variety of contracts - this is all good.
[2016-03-15 21:35:16] rapidtrades : tbf the interface is not a great selling point
[2016-03-15 21:35:52] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades has been angry ever since we moved the order controls
[2016-03-15 21:37:48] rapidtrades : most frequent traders here asked to keep the old version under basic...wasn't just me :)
[2016-03-15 21:38:38] jesperf : rapidtrades: pay me and I'll develop an api client to suit your nostalgic needs
[2016-03-15 21:38:57] habibi : but Sam in advanced ui as we all can do our own templates, it would be up to us to find place for orders tab :p
[2016-03-15 21:44:26] BitMEX_Sam : I wish it were that simple, but it needs to be able to expand vertically, which doesn't mesh well even with the new customizable widgets
[2016-03-15 21:53:03] habibi : understood, lets stay with new ui then
[2016-03-15 22:09:18] micmix : BitMEX_Sam, found a bug: clicking on a symbol on the trade history page doesn't apply the filter (latest chrome on Windows)
[2016-03-15 22:10:48] micmix : clicking on Buy/Sell applies the filter properly
[2016-03-15 22:10:49] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks. It appears none of the filters are being applied - will fix
[2016-03-15 22:11:01] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Symbol actually appears to be a special case
[2016-03-15 22:11:56] micmix : but after clickin on a symbol all other filters don't work until refresh
[2016-03-15 22:12:55] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: fix on the way
[2016-03-15 22:14:17] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: if you have time please check Chrome on Windows. expand the chat and look at the font rendering. switch from trade to account in top menu. text goes from very sharp when you are on the account page to a bit blurry when you are on a trade page. very weird
[2016-03-15 22:15:03] BitMEX_Sam : Any chance your browser is zoomed?
[2016-03-15 22:15:08] BitMEX_Sam : Hit ctrl-0 to reset
[2016-03-15 22:15:32] micmix : no, zoom 100%
[2016-03-15 22:15:46] BitMEX_Sam : Where is the blurry text, in chat?
[2016-03-15 22:16:52] micmix : it's most noticeable in chat, you can see it changing when you switch from trade to account and back
[2016-03-15 22:17:53] micmix : but I think it's all text everywhere, it's sharp on the account page and a bit blurry on the trade page
[2016-03-15 22:19:13] micmix : it's not a big deal, just a bit weird
[2016-03-15 22:19:25] BitMEX_Sam : Chrome does some odd things with translate CSS
[2016-03-15 22:19:34] S410520 : BitMEX_Sam: hi, when I open a limit short on eth on lets say 0.033 I get Estimated Liquidation Price 0.03117??
[2016-03-15 22:19:45] BitMEX_Sam : It renders text as raster rather than vector if it hits the GPU
[2016-03-15 22:20:09] BitMEX_Sam : S410520: Let me take a look, it may be thinking you're opening a long
[2016-03-15 22:20:14] BitMEX_Sam : Are you currently long?
[2016-03-15 22:20:20] S410520 : no
[2016-03-15 22:20:22] S410520 : lol
[2016-03-15 22:20:28] S410520 : at least
[2016-03-15 22:20:37] S410520 : maybe it thought i clicked long
[2016-03-15 22:20:40] S410520 : im clicking short
[2016-03-15 22:20:42] S410520 : omg
[2016-03-15 22:20:54] S410520 : (joke)
[2016-03-15 22:21:10] sleger : S410520: it's ok to enter more than 6 words before pressing enter
[2016-03-15 22:21:37] S410520 : ok, it confirms that i am selling on the top
[2016-03-15 22:21:38] S410520 : Sell 2 contracts of ETH7D at 0.03330.
[2016-03-15 22:21:49] S410520 : so you should see the same I guess
[2016-03-15 22:22:47] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. It may be because you were previously in a long
[2016-03-15 22:22:55] BitMEX_Sam : I'll check on it
[2016-03-15 22:24:27] S410520 : thanks
[2016-03-15 22:26:20] BitMEX_Sam : In any case, that's just an estimate
[2016-03-15 22:26:30] BitMEX_Sam : The calculations in the trading engine are 100% correct.
[2016-03-15 22:28:40] S410520 : I can just use the delta to get the correct number, no problem at all but weird looking at a lower liq price when shorting :P
[2016-03-15 22:48:24] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: You should no problem filtering by symbol now in trade history
[2016-03-15 22:51:00] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: thanks, was using that feature all the time
[2016-03-15 22:52:33] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-03-15 23:05:20] BitMEX_Sam : S410520: I've updated that calculation to be more accurate
[2016-03-15 23:25:28] rapidtrades : large drop in M16 premium today...have anything to say? @sleger
[2016-03-15 23:29:51] sleger : thats normal, low vol
[2016-03-15 23:30:25] rapidtrades : how is it normal? we dropped $8 while bitcoin isn't changed
[2016-03-15 23:30:48] sleger : if bitcoin doesnt change until jun 24, m16 premium will drop to zero
[2016-03-15 23:31:13] sleger : there's theta and gamma, time passes, vol is down so premium goes down, nothing more to see here
[2016-03-15 23:31:24] rapidtrades : right but $8 is like 2%...and there are 110 days until expiry
[2016-03-15 23:31:38] rapidtrades : sry 101 days
[2016-03-15 23:31:46] sleger : oh that i agree
[2016-03-15 23:32:00] sleger : i never said 8$ made sense, but that premium drops yes
[2016-03-15 23:32:18] rapidtrades : so u weren't the one selling :)
[2016-03-15 23:32:29] sleger : no
[2016-03-15 23:33:20] rapidtrades : ok just curious :)
[2016-03-15 23:35:16] sleger : there wasnt much selling at all anyways over past 24h on m16
[2016-03-15 23:36:11] rapidtrades : not sleger level :)
[2016-03-15 23:37:05] rapidtrades : weird open interest is now much higher on weekly then daily
[2016-03-15 23:37:48] rapidtrades : no moves to take out the plebs?
[2016-03-15 23:37:56] sleger : thats not weird, nobody wants to pay 7x daily fees when market is not moving, better trade weekly
[2016-03-15 23:43:05] cryptognosys : hey admins any chance we can ever integrate bitmex mkts into metatrader ?
[2016-03-15 23:49:30] rapidtrades : prolly not, that may require buying a while label from mt...
[2016-03-15 23:52:56] rapidtrades : would be a major plus tho, that's partly why i use btc-e
[2016-03-16 00:06:56] cryptognosys : that woud be a huge step forward
[2016-03-16 00:15:09] micmix : rapidtrades: I would expect some serious M16 buying in the next couple week
[2016-03-16 00:24:34] cryptognosys : if btc-e can have mt4, maybe bitmex can also
[2016-03-16 00:34:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 19 @ 0.03192
[2016-03-16 00:34:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 400 @ 0.03188
[2016-03-16 00:34:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1 @ 0.03232 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-16 01:34:33] zanza : Trump is high Energy, won Florida
[2016-03-16 01:47:28] zanza : no losers allowed
[2016-03-16 02:09:29] funkenstein : what show is that?
[2016-03-16 02:43:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 350 @ 0.03198
[2016-03-16 03:18:50] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
[2016-03-16 05:13:09] chromaticcr : #makeDonalDrumpfAgain
[2016-03-16 07:12:42] elmorte : Damn, that sub is for real...
[2016-03-16 07:59:47] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 212 @ 413.94
[2016-03-16 08:03:01] jung1 : morning
[2016-03-16 08:03:19] jung1 : zanza: trump gonna win imo
[2016-03-16 08:34:58] elmorte : the nomination? Yeah, gonna be hard to derail that. But highly doubtful about the presidency
[2016-03-16 08:35:23] elmorte : Never dull though, the american politics
[2016-03-16 09:07:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 413.77 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-16 09:23:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 51 @ 0.03281
[2016-03-16 09:45:03] jung1 : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4aehga/anthony_watson_uphold_ceo_is_suing_andreas/
[2016-03-16 09:45:22] jung1 : blockchain will end patent trolls
[2016-03-16 09:50:25] splash : he backtracked on that though
[2016-03-16 10:21:05] jung1 : yeah but still
[2016-03-16 10:21:28] jung1 : patents are bad for innovations
[2016-03-16 10:35:41] rapidtrades : 'morning fellas
[2016-03-16 10:36:05] elmorte : jung1: two sides to that coin
[2016-03-16 10:36:32] elmorte : jung1: did you get in on the SYS train?
[2016-03-16 10:37:01] jung1 : yeah I had some of sys since they release it
[2016-03-16 10:38:41] rapidtrades : wait a min....no trades in 1h 30 mins?
[2016-03-16 10:39:14] jung1 : elmorte: check this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695855.2880
[2016-03-16 10:43:36] elmorte : jung1: how long did you go?
[2016-03-16 10:44:41] jung1 : where?
[2016-03-16 10:45:55] elmorte : IOC
[2016-03-16 10:46:15] jung1 : found it couple days ago
[2016-03-16 10:46:28] jung1 : but im going to buy some
[2016-03-16 10:46:40] jung1 : looks like good long term coin'
[2016-03-16 10:49:05] elmorte : Thanks for the heads up
[2016-03-16 10:49:36] xxxPeterxxx : can anybody help me? I am new here and want to know what can I do here?
[2016-03-16 10:50:21] jung1 : make and lose money
[2016-03-16 10:50:43] jung1 : xxxPeterxxx: read all of this https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2016-03-16 10:50:58] elmorte : xxxPeterxxx: How much do you know about futures?
[2016-03-16 10:51:55] xxxPeterxxx : @jung1 Thank you!
[2016-03-16 10:52:35] elmorte : Complain all we want about BitMEX UI....but Polo and finex are way clunkier
[2016-03-16 10:52:38] jung1 : xxxPeterxxx: read first and when you dont understand something feel free to ask. bitmex looks quite complicated at first but you will love it
[2016-03-16 10:53:17] xxxPeterxxx : jung1: Okay thank you. I will do this.
[2016-03-16 10:53:40] elmorte : xxxPeterxxx: I think I've seen some of your movies
[2016-03-16 10:54:33] xxxPeterxxx : elmorte: WWhat videos ?
[2016-03-16 10:56:17] elmorte : http://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/peter-north
[2016-03-16 10:56:44] xxxPeterxxx : elmorte: Yes
[2016-03-16 10:56:59] elmorte : A big fan :)
[2016-03-16 10:57:21] xxxPeterxxx : elmorte: Thats me xD thank you xD
[2016-03-16 11:00:39] chromaticcr1 : lol
[2016-03-16 11:28:49] elmorte : Anyone else here have a workstation setup akin to fyr's from the (in)famous photo in Arthur's email blast?
[2016-03-16 11:29:52] elmorte : Looking for tips...
[2016-03-16 11:37:33] habibi : elmorte: https://www.stakepool.com/connect/teamspeak come here, many people has diff stations here
[2016-03-16 11:38:48] elmorte : Cheers habibi. There's a telegram group too, right?
[2016-03-16 11:39:23] elmorte : How does the TS group work? Everyone talks at once?
[2016-03-16 11:40:02] habibi : yep telegram as well, one talk others listen rather
[2016-03-16 11:42:56] elmorte : I see...I'll give it shot, thanks
[2016-03-16 12:01:16] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: You testing something? Got logged out twice in 10 mins
[2016-03-16 12:01:26] chromaticcr1 : all is fine here
[2016-03-16 12:01:48] elmorte : K...both times I was switching between here and stakepool
[2016-03-16 12:02:22] elmorte : Oh wait, the first time I clicked an affiliate link...but not the second
[2016-03-16 12:33:45] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: some affiliates are using hidden iframes with their link, this will cause a logout
[2016-03-16 12:34:16] elmorte : What's the content of the hidden iframe?
[2016-03-16 12:34:18] BitMEX_Wally : They are trying to drop the cookie
[2016-03-16 12:34:31] chromaticcr1 : that
[2016-03-16 12:34:33] elmorte : A cookie to bitmex?
[2016-03-16 12:34:35] chromaticcr1 : that's a smart one
[2016-03-16 12:34:42] chromaticcr1 : ya, they are valid for 7 days
[2016-03-16 12:34:50] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, a cookie with their referral
[2016-03-16 12:35:00] BitMEX_Wally : We are going to fix this
[2016-03-16 12:35:02] elmorte : Right, right, thanks
[2016-03-16 12:35:18] elmorte : Is it too late to claim a referral? :)
[2016-03-16 12:35:58] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: email support@bitmex.com
[2016-03-16 12:36:13] elmorte : Why you so nice?
[2016-03-16 12:36:18] elmorte : :)
[2016-03-16 13:06:59] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: Is there a way to download complete trade history instead of 100 transactions at a time? Updating manually is tedious
[2016-03-16 13:13:36] elmorte : Or is there an API call for it?
[2016-03-16 13:13:41] BitMEX_Wally : You can use the API and specify a start and count
[2016-03-16 13:13:55] elmorte : What's the call? I was just looking...
[2016-03-16 13:14:31] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_getTradeHistory
[2016-03-16 13:14:37] BitMEX_Wally : You can sent a count of up to 500
[2016-03-16 13:14:53] elmorte : Thanks mate, sorry for the newb questions
[2016-03-16 13:15:36] BitMEX_Wally : No problem, we're happy to help
[2016-03-16 13:15:43] elmorte : @sleger: I'll try to combine all the my msgs in one digest in future so you don't get too perturbed
[2016-03-16 13:17:03] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: The referral only applies to taker fees? Or overall sum?
[2016-03-16 13:17:35] BitMEX_Wally : If you refer someone you get a cut of all fees that they pay
[2016-03-16 13:17:42] BitMEX_Wally : We do not net maker against taker
[2016-03-16 13:17:57] elmorte : Ok, and the 10% off for the referee is on what?
[2016-03-16 13:18:35] BitMEX_Wally : They get 10% off trading fees, plus settlement
[2016-03-16 13:20:03] elmorte : Cool. Is there an easy way parse the output of the api you just posted for me? Or should I just write my own...
[2016-03-16 13:20:54] BitMEX_Wally : The output is JSON which is easily parsed by most languages
[2016-03-16 13:22:09] elmorte : Googling should tell me more? It's been years since I last coded
[2016-03-16 13:22:22] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: What language are you using?
[2016-03-16 13:22:38] elmorte : C++ & Java
[2016-03-16 13:22:53] elmorte : Going to learn python eventually...on the bucket list
[2016-03-16 13:23:03] elmorte : Don't have any IDEs on this comp though
[2016-03-16 13:23:17] j8 : there's this in python: https://github.com/BitMEX/easy-data-scripts
[2016-03-16 13:23:29] elmorte : Awesome @j8 , cheers
[2016-03-16 13:23:46] BitMEX_Wally : Thanks j8
[2016-03-16 13:23:59] BitMEX_Wally : Also Java parser for JSON: http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.json/json
[2016-03-16 13:24:37] elmorte : rock on, thanks dudes, appreciate it.
[2016-03-16 13:26:47] elmorte : Now just to figure out how to python on a Win machine
[2016-03-16 13:27:27] elmorte : I think there's instructions in the BitMEX MM bot readme.md
[2016-03-16 13:48:25] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: Any HK based exchanges accept USD?
[2016-03-16 13:48:44] elmorte : It's way too overpriced in Malaysia :/
[2016-03-16 13:49:17] elmorte : plus taker fee is 1%
[2016-03-16 13:49:37] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: Bitfinex, Gatecoin, ANX all take USD
[2016-03-16 13:50:08] elmorte : I don't wanna TT...my company account is in HSBC HK
[2016-03-16 13:50:27] elmorte : Finex is HK based?
[2016-03-16 13:50:44] BitMEX_Wally : Bitfinex are based in HK but their bank account changes each month
[2016-03-16 13:50:54] BitMEX_Wally : They had a HSBC account in HK a while back
[2016-03-16 13:50:56] elmorte : That....sounds reassuring...
[2016-03-16 13:51:08] BitMEX_Wally : Gatecoin have a Hang Seng account I think
[2016-03-16 13:51:18] elmorte : Thanks man
[2016-03-16 13:52:52] BitMEX_Wally : If you want to deposit > $50k USD then email us and I'm sure we can introduce you to an exchange in HK with an HSBC account
[2016-03-16 13:52:58] donkey : Bitmex, if you choose the new layout and set the orderbook to single it does not remember it
[2016-03-16 13:53:36] BitMEX_Wally : donkey: Thanks for spotting that, I have recreated and will fix
[2016-03-16 13:53:49] donkey : thanks!
[2016-03-16 14:00:35] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: well noted
[2016-03-16 14:01:09] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX is a founding member of the Bitcoin Association of Hong Kong so we know all the local players
[2016-03-16 14:02:11] elmorte : *what Denzel says in Training Day*
[2016-03-16 14:05:14] sleger : I would trust bitfinex and gatecoin with usd
[2016-03-16 14:06:11] elmorte : I need to find a way...Malaysian market used to be at a discount, now it's a consistent premium
[2016-03-16 14:06:38] elmorte : And it was convenient, intra-bank transfer, no fees, almost instant
[2016-03-16 14:06:39] sleger : why cant you just transfer fiat to say gatecoin ?
[2016-03-16 14:07:17] sleger : standard swift transfer
[2016-03-16 14:07:20] elmorte : Probably could, but 1) haven't heard many good things about them 2) probably need to get authed
[2016-03-16 14:07:34] elmorte : There's usually a charge for SWIFT transfer
[2016-03-16 14:07:35] sleger : of course you need to get "authed"
[2016-03-16 14:07:47] sleger : yes there is a charge but it is fixed, ~20 usd
[2016-03-16 14:08:05] sleger : and my banks usually pay it for me
[2016-03-16 14:08:07] elmorte : 20 on that side, another 15 on mine...and it takes 2-3 days
[2016-03-16 14:08:29] elmorte : HSBC charges me 14.85 per TT
[2016-03-16 14:08:35] sleger : yes so make large and infrequent transfers. Bitfinex will charge you something indeed
[2016-03-16 14:09:00] sleger : "0.100% of the deposit amount, with a minimum fee of $20.00"
[2016-03-16 14:09:01] BitMEX_Wally : Gatecoin is run by Aurélien Menant in HK, we know him
[2016-03-16 14:09:10] elmorte : That's why I'm looking for an exchange that uses the local clearing system which is almost instant
[2016-03-16 14:09:13] sleger : yes you can trust gatecoin / aurelien
[2016-03-16 14:09:20] elmorte : Ok, good to know
[2016-03-16 14:09:33] BitMEX_Wally : Of course, do your own due diligence
[2016-03-16 14:09:55] sleger : he is french so no issue
[2016-03-16 14:10:19] elmorte : cue rapid in 3...2...
[2016-03-16 14:10:29] BitMEX_Wally : If you use TT in HK it usually means RTGS - realtime gross settlement which goes via the Hong Kong Monetary Authority and clears in less than 5 minutes
[2016-03-16 14:10:50] BitMEX_Wally : You pay 55 HKD for the privilege
[2016-03-16 14:10:53] elmorte : Yup, that's what I meant Wally...and it's only 6-7 USD and only on my side
[2016-03-16 14:11:19] elmorte : A lot of our Chinese suppliers use HK accounts
[2016-03-16 14:12:06] elmorte : Anyway, can't blame me for wanting to minimize transaction costs
[2016-03-16 14:12:41] elmorte : They go both ways too, for withdrawals
[2016-03-16 14:19:04] sleger : why do you need to deposit and withdraw money to btc often ? I did deposit once, traded it but havent withdrawn anything ever
[2016-03-16 14:19:18] elmorte : I don't, but I like to know I can
[2016-03-16 14:19:47] sleger : I hope that eventually I will be able to spend them directly to buy stuff
[2016-03-16 14:21:02] elmorte : I've only withdrawn cash from one exchange ever. But it ain't liquid if I can't cash out quickly
[2016-03-16 14:21:35] elmorte : Sometimes (goods) delivery times are matter of days...I might need the cash quickly
[2016-03-16 14:22:17] elmorte : Maybe my coin is here and I need to cash out, so send to spot exchange, sell and withdraw
[2016-03-16 14:22:25] sleger : so you 're using bitcoin as a savings account ?
[2016-03-16 14:22:40] elmorte : Current
[2016-03-16 14:23:06] elmorte : You might too if your currency dropped 33% in 6 months
[2016-03-16 14:23:32] elmorte : But we're talking USD now...
[2016-03-16 14:24:50] elmorte : Hasn't happened yet...I just like to know that I can if need arises
[2016-03-16 14:46:08] prncpss : .
[2016-03-16 15:04:02] rapidtrades : anyone using unhedged bitcoin as a savings account needs to have his head examined
[2016-03-16 15:09:06] prncpss : agreed
[2016-03-16 15:10:35] rapidtrades : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-16/trump-warns-there-will-be-riots-if-hes-denied-nomination-bad-things-would-happen
[2016-03-16 15:12:46] sleger : rapidtrades: you're gonna vote for him ?
[2016-03-16 15:19:58] sleger : or should I consider by your silence that you're pleading the fifth ?
[2016-03-16 15:25:27] jamesbrown : 1 2 3 4 fif!
[2016-03-16 15:36:11] funkenstein : sure beats using fiat as a savings account
[2016-03-16 15:52:54] elmorte : I'd love to have my head examined
[2016-03-16 15:55:53] BitMEX_Sam : never know what you'll find in there
[2016-03-16 15:56:50] elmorte : Yeah, I don't envy the examiner
[2016-03-16 16:01:07] elmorte : Are there disadvantages to holding bitcoin on very liquid USD exchanges as opposed to illiquid ones?
[2016-03-16 16:03:01] BitMEX_Sam : Depends on whether or not you actually need to trade
[2016-03-16 16:03:11] BitMEX_Sam : Other than that, no, but don't use exchanges as wallets if you can help it
[2016-03-16 16:05:13] tscha : only bitmex cause many much much trust <3
[2016-03-16 16:05:17] elmorte : Of course not @BitMEX_Sam , my hodl stash offline. This is play money
[2016-03-16 16:05:28] elmorte : ^is
[2016-03-16 16:06:42] elmorte : tscha: not just that, you get liq'd a couple times, you feel the burrrn *sigh*
[2016-03-16 16:06:48] haxmb : elmorte: if you want to hold something on an exchange, use one that has a multi-signature wallet
[2016-03-16 16:07:45] haxmb : BitMEX_Sam: i have a question about withheld profit
[2016-03-16 16:07:59] BitMEX_Sam : Sure
[2016-03-16 16:08:07] haxmb : yesterday it was showing > 0.1 XBT
[2016-03-16 16:08:15] haxmb : and today it's 0.05xx
[2016-03-16 16:08:28] BitMEX_Sam : Two reasons it would go down -
[2016-03-16 16:08:28] haxmb : im not sure where the difference went
[2016-03-16 16:08:44] BitMEX_Sam : One, we unlock up to 50% of withheld profit daily, depending on how the contract is trading
[2016-03-16 16:08:49] BitMEX_Sam : So that profit would have gone into your account
[2016-03-16 16:08:51] haxmb : oh great
[2016-03-16 16:08:56] haxmb : yeah it was on ETH7D
[2016-03-16 16:09:00] BitMEX_Sam : The other way it would be reduced would be if you started losing on that contract
[2016-03-16 16:09:10] haxmb : nope all positions closed since then
[2016-03-16 16:09:14] haxmb : before then
[2016-03-16 16:09:15] haxmb : i mean
[2016-03-16 16:09:15] BitMEX_Sam : :) Yep then you got an unlock
[2016-03-16 16:09:18] haxmb : yay me
[2016-03-16 16:09:25] haxmb : why doesnt that show anywhere
[2016-03-16 16:09:30] BitMEX_Sam : It's a relatively new addition
[2016-03-16 16:09:40] BitMEX_Sam : We haven't yet put the messaging in place
[2016-03-16 16:09:42] haxmb : ok, should show it on transaction history mayb
[2016-03-16 16:09:47] haxmb : allright cool
[2016-03-16 16:09:50] haxmb : because i just though
[2016-03-16 16:09:55] haxmb : wait wtf where did my profitz go
[2016-03-16 16:10:05] haxmb : xD
[2016-03-16 16:10:06] BitMEX_Sam : Right - technically it's not a transaction because it's just reclassification of margin you already have
[2016-03-16 16:10:10] BitMEX_Sam : But I agree, we need a place to put it
[2016-03-16 16:10:15] haxmb : yeah agreed
[2016-03-16 16:10:18] elmorte : lol...without looking at the overall balance?
[2016-03-16 16:10:32] haxmb : yeah i dont memorize my overall balance daily :D
[2016-03-16 16:11:05] elmorte : but withheld profit you do :p
[2016-03-16 16:11:16] haxmb : yeah i saw it was 0.1ish yesterday before logging out
[2016-03-16 16:11:18] haxmb : just logged in
[2016-03-16 16:11:21] haxmb : its 0.05ish
[2016-03-16 16:11:25] haxmb : :)
[2016-03-16 16:11:47] elmorte : Good on ya :)
[2016-03-16 16:12:04] haxmb : cheers
[2016-03-16 16:12:12] micmix : BitMEX_Wally, BitMEX_Sam: can you run ETH volatility indices like 1D and 1H?
[2016-03-16 16:12:41] haxmb : Oh and maybe return the ETH24H contract
[2016-03-16 16:12:53] haxmb : or add it :o
[2016-03-16 16:13:02] haxmb : i for one would like that
[2016-03-16 16:13:10] micmix : I don't mean volatility contract, just the index like you do for XBT
[2016-03-16 16:15:27] elmorte : micmix: how is it now?
[2016-03-16 16:16:25] micmix : elmorte: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.BVOL24H
[2016-03-16 16:17:07] BitMEX_Wally : We could add `.EVOL24H` if there was demand
[2016-03-16 16:17:33] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: demand is probably only from me :-)
[2016-03-16 16:17:58] BitMEX_Wally : There might be some Excel pricing spreadsheets that use our API that could be adapted
[2016-03-16 16:19:50] micmix : ok, plz let me know what you decide before I start rolling my own
[2016-03-16 16:22:55] BitMEX_Wally : Check out the BVOL pricing spreadsheet: https://www.bitmex.com/app/pricingSpreadsheets
[2016-03-16 16:23:18] BitMEX_Wally : See if you can adapt it to use `.ETHXBT` instead of `.XBT`
[2016-03-16 16:35:37] tradedesk : Hi Sam, Wally, nice new UI !
[2016-03-16 16:40:40] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Thanks!
[2016-03-16 16:45:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 178 @ 0.03065
[2016-03-16 16:45:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 143 @ 0.03074
[2016-03-16 16:46:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.03047
[2016-03-16 17:57:15] elmorte : Impressive resilience to Eth...
[2016-03-16 17:58:47] cryptokeeper : wait what.... you saying ETH is resilient?
[2016-03-16 17:59:06] cryptokeeper : more like a big pie.... a pie in the sky
[2016-03-16 18:03:33] elmorte : Sorry, it's late in the day and I'm mentally exhausted...what's a big pie in the sky signify?
[2016-03-16 18:05:51] elmorte : Nvm got it: TOP DEFINITION Pie in the sky Female lays on her back and pushes their lower back and legs raised all the way up so that their ankles are either side of (and beyond) their own head while her partner eats her out. The person eating her out can move their hands all over her body too...
[2016-03-16 18:13:04] cryptokeeper : LOL
[2016-03-16 18:16:11] elmorte : What I was saying though was it ain't cracking .03
[2016-03-16 18:44:59] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Is your classic node getting DDOSed like all these other ones folks are writing about?
[2016-03-16 18:45:31] BitMEX_Sam : Nah, pretty quiet all things considered
[2016-03-16 20:29:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 11 @ 416.97
[2016-03-16 20:51:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: Sell 85 @ 0.00462
[2016-03-16 21:15:32] rapidtrades : yo
[2016-03-16 22:14:37] mrp1nk : muuuhn?
[2016-03-16 22:19:02] micmix : sad day for me, biggest client decided to pull out from bitcoin markets :-(
[2016-03-16 22:21:30] habibi : which one?
[2016-03-16 22:21:34] habibi : ah nvm :)
[2016-03-16 22:22:19] BTC4USD : theres a pending withdraw I did not request
[2016-03-16 22:22:50] BTC4USD : It says confirmed in the withdraw history
[2016-03-16 22:22:53] BTC4USD : can I cancel this?
[2016-03-16 22:23:04] habibi : micmix: any good reasons for that?
[2016-03-16 22:23:34] habibi : BTC4USD: interesing, if u sure about this, then u got hacked
[2016-03-16 22:23:46] micmix : habibi: decision came from the top, too much risk because "bitcoin is dying"
[2016-03-16 22:24:21] BTC4USD : I know I got hacked - they cleaned out my Bitfinex account
[2016-03-16 22:24:29] BTC4USD : there might be a chance to save what measily scraps I have left here
[2016-03-16 22:26:07] BitMEX_Sam : BTC4USD: Are you using two-factor?
[2016-03-16 22:26:30] BitMEX_Sam : Actually, better yet, let's move this to email - potentially sensitive here
[2016-03-16 22:26:48] BitMEX_Sam : There's still over 12 hours until we process withdrawals. Send us an email at support@bitmex.com
[2016-03-16 22:27:21] BitMEX_Sam : My #1 concern is that if someone has access to your account to make the withdrawal in the first place, that means they have access to your email - if we unlock funds, that means this bad actor could likely trade with your money
[2016-03-16 22:27:31] BitMEX_Sam : So your #1 concern should be changing every password you have
[2016-03-16 22:29:49] BTC4USD : Just sent the e-mail - I've changed all my passwords. This happened around 6 hours ago when I was at work. I saw it happening and left work - by the time I had got home they had already got into my finex acount and cleaned it out. They had pending withdraws at other exchanges I was able to cancel
[2016-03-16 22:30:02] BTC4USD : I just found that they got into this as well.
[2016-03-16 22:30:19] habibi : BTC4USD: vector of attack?
[2016-03-16 22:30:53] BTC4USD : theres only 2 ways it could have happened
[2016-03-16 22:31:59] BTC4USD : I was downloading software yesterday and got a virus - (I know that for sure) - I had cleaned the computer until virus scanners were happy with it. I deleted all non essential hardware (while not connected to internet) but apparantly I missed something. They were able to somehow figure out my gmail password
[2016-03-16 22:32:48] BTC4USD : the only other option is that I bought a hardware price ticker and I've had it for about a week. It connects to your router to pull live price. Doubt that is the source... but if so that's some james bond stuff...
[2016-03-16 22:32:57] BTC4USD : software*
[2016-03-16 22:33:19] habibi : BTC4USD: could u link to that hardware ticker?
[2016-03-16 22:34:13] BTC4USD : Don't know if links are aloud - but if you google "AFK data bitcoin" it's the first website
[2016-03-16 22:39:59] zanza : BTC4USD: it was probably rapidtrades he is a shady mofo
[2016-03-16 22:40:24] zanza : did you have that shady Chrome extension ?
[2016-03-16 22:40:49] zanza : the Bitstamp one
[2016-03-16 22:42:12] BTC4USD : I have no chrome extensions
[2016-03-16 22:42:40] zanza : no 2FA?
[2016-03-16 22:42:46] zanza : on your trading acct's
[2016-03-16 22:44:26] BTC4USD : I have 2FA on all account unless the money was not very much. Well I was in a huge long position when the bitcoin price crashed - so I was in a negative P/L scenario. I wanted to open a long at the bottom of the crash but couldn't on the same account since it would just affect current position. So I had another account made real quick and sent the coins and was trading with them over on that new account with no 2FA - I intended to set it up when I sent coins to it -but just didn't yet.
[2016-03-16 22:44:45] BTC4USD : this is finex
[2016-03-16 22:46:08] BTC4USD : on this account - I just didn't have 2FA set up because I didn't have much here and am still learning this exchange
[2016-03-16 22:46:46] zanza : ok so lesson learned I take it :)
[2016-03-16 22:51:28] rapidtrades : zanza: wtf man
[2016-03-16 22:51:29] BTC4USD : life lesson learned... for sure...
[2016-03-16 22:51:56] rapidtrades : so u used the same password everywhere or what
[2016-03-16 22:52:21] j8 : you can 2fa your gmail too.
[2016-03-16 22:52:45] rapidtrades : u should 2fa ur email
[2016-03-16 22:53:13] rapidtrades : don't get it, how can they withdraw money with only ur gmail
[2016-03-16 22:53:52] mrp1nk : for exampel via "forgot password?" functionality?!
[2016-03-16 22:54:01] rapidtrades : ahhhh
[2016-03-16 22:54:17] rapidtrades : u still have to imput ur 2fa tho?
[2016-03-16 22:54:33] BTC4USD : I didn't have 2FA turned on my accounts
[2016-03-16 22:54:37] BTC4USD : my gmail
[2016-03-16 22:54:47] BTC4USD : but I am now..
[2016-03-16 22:54:50] BitMEX_Sam : Definitely do that in the future - I'm sure you will after this experience
[2016-03-16 22:55:05] j8 : e-mail accounts generally have a ton of personal info that could be used to convince an exchange to disable 2fa, etc
[2016-03-16 22:55:10] mrp1nk : not sure how it is here, Sam?
[2016-03-16 22:55:12] rapidtrades : i mean even of they have ur pass, they can't do anything without 2fa?
[2016-03-16 22:55:24] BTC4USD : Finex just e-mailed me saying "someone send a password reset on your CLEF enabled account"
[2016-03-16 22:55:29] BTC4USD : sent*
[2016-03-16 22:55:35] rapidtrades : well clef....
[2016-03-16 22:55:40] rapidtrades : knew that was shit
[2016-03-16 22:55:47] BTC4USD : CLEF stopped them
[2016-03-16 22:55:51] BTC4USD : I had 2 finex accoutns
[2016-03-16 22:55:55] BTC4USD : one main, and one side one
[2016-03-16 22:55:57] rapidtrades : aaah
[2016-03-16 22:55:58] BTC4USD : the side one got hacked
[2016-03-16 22:56:05] BTC4USD : my main one is safe but they are trying to reset PW on it
[2016-03-16 22:56:14] BTC4USD : I've already moved all my funds from online exchanges to my Trezor
[2016-03-16 22:56:18] rapidtrades : keke....where they from
[2016-03-16 22:56:25] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: how dou you handle password forgot in combination with 2FA?
[2016-03-16 22:57:01] BitMEX_Sam : mrp1nk: You can reset it, but you still can't log in without the 2FA token
[2016-03-16 22:57:06] BitMEX_Sam : Disabling 2FA is another, more rigorous process
[2016-03-16 22:57:41] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Sam: sounds good
[2016-03-16 22:58:21] rapidtrades : micmix: so Goldman's out?
[2016-03-16 22:58:29] mrp1nk : but do you consider that the person's email may be hacked? @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-03-16 22:59:08] rapidtrades : dude did u find a virus
[2016-03-16 22:59:18] rapidtrades : or malware whatever
[2016-03-16 22:59:39] BTC4USD : I found many after I downloaded a microsoft office torrent. Big mistake
[2016-03-16 22:59:48] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-03-16 22:59:59] BTC4USD : I've never had problems on a mac. I bought a PC recently (and virus software) but only had it for about a month before today
[2016-03-16 23:00:02] micmix : rapidtrades: lol, it wasn't Goldman but they were trading 5-10k coins monthly volume
[2016-03-16 23:00:31] rapidtrades : BTC4USD: dam...
[2016-03-16 23:00:49] rapidtrades : upgraded to windoze, instahacked
[2016-03-16 23:01:07] mrp1nk : lol