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[2016-03-14 19:08:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 145 @ 0.03538
[2016-03-14 19:09:35] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: yes, exactly same as here
[2016-03-14 19:09:57] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 160 @ 0.03274
[2016-03-14 19:10:05] BitMEX_Sam : Ok. Thanks
[2016-03-14 19:11:04] S410520 : REKT
[2016-03-14 19:18:30] splash : BitMEX_Sam: ur doing incredible work on the GUI
[2016-03-14 19:18:39] splash : its lightyears ahead of anything else ive seen
[2016-03-14 19:19:16] cryptokeeper : Sam are you there?
[2016-03-14 19:19:48] cryptokeeper : made a deposit. Got the email saying you got the depost. Balance is at 0. No transaction history either.
[2016-03-14 19:20:00] cryptokeeper : in "loading" state.
[2016-03-14 19:21:52] splash : BitMEX_Sam: hmm, i would like my "Active Orders" tab on the same panel as I got my "Positions"
[2016-03-14 19:22:03] splash : drag-n-drop tabs to panels?
[2016-03-14 19:22:28] splash : i.e. panels are mere containers and the tabs are the components you decorate the panels with
[2016-03-14 19:23:23] splash : that way you could even create a panel with position on one tab and the next tab would have the chart.
[2016-03-14 19:23:54] cryptokeeper : lol... it just came in. thx
[2016-03-14 19:24:04] BitMEX_Sam : splash: That's quite a bit more advanced, but yes, would be nice to do
[2016-03-14 19:24:35] BitMEX_Sam : cryptokeeper: Glad to hear it, sometimes confirmation can take a bit to propagate
[2016-03-14 19:25:58] cryptokeeper : right... i was just getting concerned because deposit history was stuck in "loading" all good now thx
[2016-03-14 19:27:57] BitMEX_Sam : S410520: I've added estimated liquidation price to the order confirmation dialog
[2016-03-14 19:28:10] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Fix for the precision issue on the summary is landing soon
[2016-03-14 19:28:30] S410520 : BitMEX_Sam: wow! amazing
[2016-03-14 19:28:45] S410520 : didnt expect anything this fast
[2016-03-14 19:29:14] BitMEX_Sam : We had an old ticket open for it, and some other enhancements - figured since you asked I'd spend a bit of time & toss it in
[2016-03-14 19:30:27] S410520 : very nice surprise :D
[2016-03-14 19:32:06] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-03-14 19:37:37] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.03325
[2016-03-14 19:37:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.03228 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-14 19:37:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 35 @ 0.03264
[2016-03-14 19:38:51] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03230
[2016-03-14 19:42:21] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03227
[2016-03-14 19:42:59] MasterChang : da fuck is with the ROI percentage
[2016-03-14 19:43:19] MasterChang : all over the place
[2016-03-14 19:43:24] MasterChang : so sloppy
[2016-03-14 19:43:41] habibi : everything is ok, just remember ur pln is not ur profit when u market clsoe or whatever. price moves a lot
[2016-03-14 19:44:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.03262
[2016-03-14 19:44:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.03267
[2016-03-14 19:46:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.00507 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-14 19:49:31] BitMEX_Sam : ROE moves as the mark price moves
[2016-03-14 19:49:38] BitMEX_Sam : ETH is moving very fast right now.
[2016-03-14 19:50:06] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: u really want to make it tradeable on 50x :p?
[2016-03-14 19:50:24] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: We don't have any plans to actually launch that, but it is ready if volatility calms
[2016-03-14 19:50:39] habibi : ah thats fair point then :)
[2016-03-14 19:50:52] BitMEX_Sam : Personally I think 50x is less of an issue than splitting liquidity would be
[2016-03-14 19:51:27] habibi : ah but we have so many even 1 minute 2% candles on polo
[2016-03-14 19:51:36] habibi : aka insta rekt
[2016-03-14 19:53:25] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. Leverage is a tool, not a requirement :)
[2016-03-14 19:53:55] habibi : i mean all in all these liquidations could provide some additional liquidity so not that bad at the end
[2016-03-14 19:54:00] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: thanks for the precision fix, man you are fast :-)
[2016-03-14 19:55:02] MasterChang : so if im shorting 10 ETH contracts at 10... how much am i spending?
[2016-03-14 19:55:10] sleger : micmix: hey have you tried fix ?
[2016-03-14 19:55:23] micmix : habibi: ETH is crazy today, my test bot made 0.3 BTC trading 5 contracts
[2016-03-14 19:55:40] habibi : micmix: :D nice catching edges!
[2016-03-14 19:55:52] micmix : hey sleger! no, not yet, what about you?
[2016-03-14 19:56:06] sleger : micmix: still not working as of yesterday for me on futures
[2016-03-14 19:56:20] micmix : even just market data?
[2016-03-14 19:56:26] sleger : nothing works
[2016-03-14 19:56:32] BitMEX_Sam : MasterChang: ETH contracts are equal to 1 ETH per cont
[2016-03-14 19:56:44] BitMEX_Sam : Simply divide by the leverage you're using to get the margin required
[2016-03-14 19:56:52] BitMEX_Sam : Those numbers are also shown below the controls
[2016-03-14 19:57:06] micmix : that's crazy, you would expect it to be easy since they have solid FIX on spot
[2016-03-14 19:57:23] BitMEX_Sam : OKC?
[2016-03-14 19:57:26] micmix : yeah
[2016-03-14 19:58:56] sleger : micmix: i was surprised too... the support told me it s new and not ready yet but the doc is on their website
[2016-03-14 19:59:18] sleger : and they committed some code sample 18 days ago
[2016-03-14 19:59:23] micmix : yeah, doesn't even say beta on the docs
[2016-03-14 20:00:37] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.03304 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-14 20:00:45] splash : eth looks like its on meth.
[2016-03-14 20:00:53] micmix : BTW, did you notice increased competition for liquidity on 24h?
[2016-03-14 20:01:10] sleger : micmix: since ?
[2016-03-14 20:01:20] micmix : since couple days ago I think
[2016-03-14 20:01:34] habibi : micmix: sleger these days ur bots are trading with eachother
[2016-03-14 20:01:49] sleger : micmix: i have done very little volume on 24h over past few weeks to be honest
[2016-03-14 20:01:58] splash : actually if one ever traded FX one would recognize the pattern on eth.
[2016-03-14 20:02:10] sleger : i think there are too many bots trying and maybe not even making money but making it harder to make $
[2016-03-14 20:02:29] sleger : and fees for taking are a bit high
[2016-03-14 20:03:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 5 @ 0.03373
[2016-03-14 20:03:10] splash : im still convinced eth is going to 0.06 faaast and also i still think its a good idea to not buy it on margin. so far that analysis have been spot on
[2016-03-14 20:03:25] MasterChang : ok so, what if i make one short @5x and one @25x ... what then.. why are they both grouped together?
[2016-03-14 20:03:51] micmix : yeah, that's what I think too. drop in trading volume plus more competition
[2016-03-14 20:04:28] micmix : maybe we have a new player
[2016-03-14 20:08:18] micmix : habibi is right, too many bots for the small number of traders and trading volume
[2016-03-14 20:10:06] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 44 @ 0.03344
[2016-03-14 20:10:28] BitMEX_Sam : MasterChang: We do not distinguish between individual orders, you simply add or remove from a single position
[2016-03-14 20:10:50] BitMEX_Sam : This is how positions work on every financial platform outside of a few Bitcoin exchanges
[2016-03-14 20:12:10] tscha : I dont think there are new players, it's just the insanely low trading volume. Look at 24H volume, 500 coins, hasn't been that low since october except once
[2016-03-14 20:12:14] MasterChang : so if i make a 5x short.. then its 100% up. then i do a 25x short. then close.. what then
[2016-03-14 20:13:29] MasterChang : which one does it close on? if its a single position?
[2016-03-14 20:18:31] MasterChang : oh i see its 25x no matter what ?
[2016-03-14 20:19:33] BitMEX_Sam : MasterChang: When you switch leverage, you're switching it on the position
[2016-03-14 20:19:50] BitMEX_Sam : All that switching leverage does is change how much Bitcoin backs a position
[2016-03-14 20:20:06] MasterChang : oh ok so its still 25x
[2016-03-14 20:25:44] jung1 : nice features bitmex1
[2016-03-14 20:26:14] jung1 : protip: go long on bitshares, factom and maid. ora just buy some and hold ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-03-14 20:27:58] sleger : jung1: please dont talk about bitshares and maid we dont trade that shit here
[2016-03-14 20:28:44] jung1 : you act like you are mad because poloniex deny your application for trollbox mod
[2016-03-14 20:29:06] jung1 : Im on altcoin trollbox and I will talk about altcoins
[2016-03-14 20:29:10] jung1 : if you like it or not
[2016-03-14 20:29:36] MasterChang : damn jung1
[2016-03-14 20:29:40] MasterChang : back at it again with the sasss
[2016-03-14 20:29:54] sleger : jung1: admin just stopped someone who was talking about something not traded here
[2016-03-14 20:30:10] sleger : so same applies to you, "if you like it or not"
[2016-03-14 20:31:16] jung1 : before adding factom we wera talk here about factom
[2016-03-14 20:31:33] sleger : sorry im not a mod i cant explain you when the rule changed
[2016-03-14 20:31:39] jung1 : before ethereum we were talk here about ethereum
[2016-03-14 20:31:51] sleger : but for now you can talk about eth and fct if you want
[2016-03-14 20:32:30] jung1 : thanks for permission
[2016-03-14 20:33:10] sleger : i hope you are on leverage on those altcoins ?
[2016-03-14 20:34:36] jung1 : I was
[2016-03-14 20:34:48] jung1 : now Im bagholder but IM comming back on long
[2016-03-14 20:35:18] jung1 : I feel in bones that maid will triple its price in next months
[2016-03-14 20:35:44] sleger : excellent, then we won't have to hear you for too long
[2016-03-14 20:35:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `FCT7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.00506
[2016-03-14 20:38:35] jung1 : you are boring
[2016-03-14 20:38:43] jung1 : Im going to wach house of cards
[2016-03-14 20:38:58] micmix : FCT7D open value 7.5 XBT, not a good start
[2016-03-14 20:40:20] habibi : jung1: so bts 1500 sat - mc in case u wrong 1350, maid 2300 - mc around 1840. lets see if ur tips leads to liquidation or profit
[2016-03-14 20:41:54] micmix : any alt available on polo margin can be pumped 3x-4x without difficulties
[2016-03-14 20:42:34] micmix : and all of them will be at one point or another, that's how people make money there
[2016-03-14 20:44:53] micmix : it's 2014 all over again. do you remember blackcoin? that's how the chart usually looks: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/blackcoin/
[2016-03-14 20:45:24] jung1 : yeah
[2016-03-14 20:45:35] jung1 : its just started with all these dapps movement
[2016-03-14 20:45:48] micmix : or even better one: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/auroracoin/
[2016-03-14 20:46:12] jung1 : '13-'14 was awesome. everyday new coin
[2016-03-14 20:46:39] jung1 : keep an eye on dapps
[2016-03-14 20:46:43] micmix : ETH and MAID have interesting technology but they are not currencies
[2016-03-14 20:46:45] habibi : micmix: i would say margin trading actually reduces upmove
[2016-03-14 20:46:52] jung1 : some of good bets and we can go for retire
[2016-03-14 20:47:45] micmix : anyway, it's offtopic here
[2016-03-14 20:48:28] jung1 : for example if someone will buy 2000 eth in presale for 1btc no you could sell it for $30000
[2016-03-14 20:49:29] jung1 : will be same with augur, factom and many many more projects couse eth could be used not only in finance
[2016-03-14 20:50:07] jung1 : its more like you buy IP addresses in early '90
[2016-03-14 21:04:29] splash : jung1: where do u think we will go from here? if it was all about altcoins before, whats the next thing u think?
[2016-03-14 21:05:04] jung1 : imo in this year will be another gold rush about dapps
[2016-03-14 21:05:06] BitMEX_Sam : I'm a big fan of these useful PoW schemes
[2016-03-14 21:05:37] splash : jung1: any special in mind?
[2016-03-14 21:05:43] jung1 : its awesome because you can use ether blockchain basicly inevery fields
[2016-03-14 21:05:51] jung1 : not only in finacial as it was with altcoins
[2016-03-14 21:05:58] jung1 : all that internet of things
[2016-03-14 21:06:05] jung1 : it will be huge
[2016-03-14 21:06:11] BTCDJS : jung1: Whats special about Factom?
[2016-03-14 21:06:19] jung1 : and we are lucky that we can see how its born
[2016-03-14 21:06:24] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: If you refresh, resizing the Chart <= 2 units of height will unload it
[2016-03-14 21:06:40] BitMEX_Sam : So if you want to save the cycles/memory just make it tiny and toss it at the bottom of the layout somewhere
[2016-03-14 21:07:20] Plasma : nice
[2016-03-14 21:07:58] jung1 : BTCDJS: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/factom-signs-deals-for-blockchain-notarization-services-and-smart-cities-in-china-1456935176
[2016-03-14 21:08:04] jung1 : this for wxample
[2016-03-14 21:08:13] BitMEX_Sam : Hope you guys are enjoying the new customization - going to take a short break
[2016-03-14 21:08:25] jung1 : yeah its cool
[2016-03-14 21:09:45] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: I'm afraid to refresh
[2016-03-14 21:09:53] BitMEX_Sam : I believe in you rapidtrades
[2016-03-14 21:10:31] BTCDJS : jung1: Buy and HODL?
[2016-03-14 21:11:04] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: Great to be able to move everything the way i want it
[2016-03-14 21:11:14] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: refresh now
[2016-03-14 21:12:00] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: best exchange so far
[2016-03-14 21:12:13] splash : BitMEX_Sam: It would be unbelievable cool if we could plot the underlying asset on the chart also :D
[2016-03-14 21:12:22] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: excellent, no more chart, thank you very much!
[2016-03-14 21:14:54] splash : i think bitmex is going to be big exchange
[2016-03-14 21:15:12] jung1 : yeah
[2016-03-14 21:17:08] jung1 : would be awesome to buy some shares of bitmex
[2016-03-14 21:18:49] BitMEX_Sam : splash: You already can chart it
[2016-03-14 21:19:06] splash : oh i can? :D
[2016-03-14 21:19:13] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, actually it does it automatically now
[2016-03-14 21:19:16] BitMEX_Sam : You should see a purple line
[2016-03-14 21:19:24] BitMEX_Sam : If you're using the dark theme it might be a bit faint, I'll work on that
[2016-03-14 21:19:43] jung1 : btw its kinda funny trend on names in bitcoin companies. Most of them hav bit- or coin- in name. same as with internet companies in '90 with all that e-something or something-net
[2016-03-14 21:20:11] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, that's true
[2016-03-14 21:20:22] BitMEX_Sam : I've seen a few branching out from that, but not that many
[2016-03-14 21:20:42] splash : jung1: true that
[2016-03-14 21:20:52] jung1 : in this stage is good cous bitcoin is still hipster technology
[2016-03-14 21:21:07] jung1 : so its easier for customers to identify
[2016-03-14 21:21:16] jung1 : but its same story
[2016-03-14 21:21:24] jung1 : and all we see what is internet now
[2016-03-14 21:21:25] rapidtrades : the companies that survived the NASDAQ slaughter tho, didn't have e- or net
[2016-03-14 21:21:55] jung1 : but they are after rebranding mostly
[2016-03-14 21:22:07] rapidtrades : really like what
[2016-03-14 21:22:31] jung1 : hm
[2016-03-14 21:22:37] jung1 : ok I dont know
[2016-03-14 21:23:08] rapidtrades : those names were prolly like targets hehe
[2016-03-14 21:23:10] splash : yahoo?
[2016-03-14 21:23:21] jung1 : its good name imo
[2016-03-14 21:25:28] rapidtrades : i was just reading yday that almosot 40% of US stocks have a negative lifetime return
[2016-03-14 21:32:12] splash : rapidtrades: wow i didnt know that. sounds aweful
[2016-03-14 21:32:47] splash : rapditrades: on that note i tried to do some trading on stock exchanges today... impossible to do though because it takes to long to move money between accounts :-P
[2016-03-14 21:33:46] splash : once u go crypto ur view of the old dinosaur finance world changes _completely_ and u realize how much value there is in this tech
[2016-03-14 21:36:20] rapidtrades : depends, lot of forex brokers offer paypal-like alternatives with instant transfers...so it's even better then bitcoin
[2016-03-14 21:37:10] BTCDJS : If bitcoin price reaches 570 on 24H how much will that be in M16?
[2016-03-14 21:37:39] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Hard to say, it depends a lot on how fast it rises and what the sentiment is
[2016-03-14 21:37:55] BitMEX_Sam : Too many variables at play to say what the market will price M16 at
[2016-03-14 21:39:06] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: those contracts will overshoot both up and down
[2016-03-14 21:39:21] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: is it me or fonts just got sharper on Chrome?
[2016-03-14 21:39:29] rapidtrades : the more time to expiration, the larger the premium
[2016-03-14 21:39:47] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Depends, there was already one report that they got blurrier when the update came out earlier today
[2016-03-14 21:39:52] BTCDJS : Ok Ill keep an eye on it closer to that time
[2016-03-14 21:40:06] BitMEX_Sam : Blink/Webkit has some interesting interactions with 2D transforms, which we use to place the grid items
[2016-03-14 21:40:23] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: how do i get rid of the chart
[2016-03-14 21:40:30] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Just size it very small
[2016-03-14 21:40:35] BitMEX_Sam : It will unload if it detects it's unviewable
[2016-03-14 21:41:10] rapidtrades : i still can't move stuff
[2016-03-14 21:41:21] BitMEX_Sam : Really?
[2016-03-14 21:41:23] rapidtrades : and now i have a chart showing
[2016-03-14 21:41:29] micmix : any changes in the last 20-30 min, I just refreshed and fonts look better
[2016-03-14 21:41:30] BitMEX_Sam : Are you on basic or advanced?
[2016-03-14 21:41:39] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: There were some changes but it should not have affected fonts
[2016-03-14 21:41:51] rapidtrades : basic
[2016-03-14 21:41:57] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: must be my eyes got better suddenly :-)
[2016-03-14 21:42:03] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Basic is still a static layout, you can't move widgets on it
[2016-03-14 21:42:06] BitMEX_Sam : Switch to Advanced
[2016-03-14 22:16:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 900 @ 0.03131
[2016-03-14 22:17:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.03118 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-14 22:24:15] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: what happens to the realized PNL on XBT48H? is it added to XBT24H PNL?
[2016-03-14 22:24:39] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: I need to check with Wally on that, I know at some point we will be redoing how we display realised PNL
[2016-03-14 22:25:05] BitMEX_Sam : It was a lot more straightforward before we moved to relisting contracts
[2016-03-14 22:28:14] micmix : realizedPNL in the position table is zero on settlement, I couldn't find out how to get realized for XBT48H
[2016-03-14 22:32:28] BitMEX_Sam : Ah yes. Then it's moved to 24H. It doesn't settle, it expires, so there wouldn't be any realised PNL
[2016-03-14 22:32:47] BitMEX_Sam : The difference being of course that the position has been kept open, they're not settled at the mark price
[2016-03-14 22:36:07] micmix : ok, that explains why there are no separate entries for XBT48H on the wallet page
[2016-03-14 22:36:50] BitMEX_Sam : 48H is a virtual instrument, much like calendar spreads
[2016-03-14 22:37:00] micmix : makes it a bit harder to see what's going on bc PNL from 24H and 48H is lumped together
[2016-03-14 22:37:15] BitMEX_Sam : By the way @all another update just landed, you can now switch the orderbook between single and dual column in both layouts
[2016-03-14 22:37:24] BitMEX_Sam : Click the options dropdown (gear in the top right corner) to change it
[2016-03-14 22:37:32] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Yeah, I agree that the history could use some fleshing out
[2016-03-14 22:38:06] BitMEX_Sam : When we have a bit of time we're going to do a survey of some other systems and figure out a nicer history format for the site
[2016-03-14 22:53:02] micmix : tscha: yeah, 24h volume is very low lately, like now we have one trade per hour. I guess ppl are busy playing with ETH
[2016-03-14 23:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.03061
[2016-03-14 23:08:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.03046
[2016-03-14 23:09:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 40 @ 0.03010
[2016-03-14 23:09:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 350 @ 0.02982
[2016-03-14 23:18:15] hashman : order cancellation from the X on orderbook is no longer working
[2016-03-14 23:18:48] habibi : it is, just stays there even order is canceled, right?
[2016-03-14 23:19:15] hashman : yeah error mesage
[2016-03-14 23:19:29] hashman : message: order can not be cancelled, price num " ---
[2016-03-14 23:19:44] hashman : fucked me over pretty bad just now
[2016-03-14 23:19:44] habibi : so take a look at active orders if the order is still there
[2016-03-14 23:19:55] hashman : yeah you can cancel it from active orders
[2016-03-14 23:20:03] hashman : but not from the orderbook anymore
[2016-03-14 23:20:07] hashman : lost precious seconds
[2016-03-14 23:20:11] hashman : figuring that out
[2016-03-14 23:20:13] habibi : my point is i had the same, but order was canceled first time i clicked but x remained there still
[2016-03-14 23:20:13] hashman : fuck
[2016-03-14 23:20:33] hashman : not in my case, order was still there and had to cancel from active order tabs
[2016-03-14 23:20:56] habibi : k
[2016-03-14 23:21:06] habibi : i bet BitMEX_Sam can look into it
[2016-03-14 23:24:09] BitMEX_Sam : Hang on, looking into it
[2016-03-14 23:24:51] tscha : finally a larger trade on XBT
[2016-03-14 23:33:07] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02930
[2016-03-14 23:34:26] nickhnt : eth gives
[2016-03-14 23:34:27] nickhnt : eth takes
[2016-03-14 23:34:30] nickhnt : :p
[2016-03-14 23:36:14] Mangalica : almost 91k BTC volume for polo
[2016-03-14 23:36:24] Mangalica : pretty impressive
[2016-03-14 23:37:52] nickhnt : yeah, never seen so mush volume on there
[2016-03-14 23:39:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 415.45
[2016-03-14 23:39:48] BitMEX_Sam : hashman: I apologize for the ob cancel disruption, if you refresh the issue is fixed
[2016-03-14 23:39:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 32 @ 0.02864
[2016-03-14 23:40:11] ayy lmao : how do i turn off indicators on the chart
[2016-03-14 23:40:27] BitMEX_Sam : ayy lmao: Right click, you can 'disable order display' or 'disable position display'
[2016-03-14 23:40:56] BitMEX_Sam : Mangalica: The volume there is nuts, especially since they get as much as 40 bps both sides with their fee schedule
[2016-03-14 23:41:08] BitMEX_Sam : Roughly $160k USD/day best case
[2016-03-14 23:41:14] ayy lmao : thx
[2016-03-14 23:41:35] rapidtrades : can u make it so I can not see the chart
[2016-03-14 23:41:50] rapidtrades : there's only maximize now
[2016-03-14 23:41:53] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Yes, just make it smaller and move it out of the way
[2016-03-14 23:41:57] rapidtrades : and now i can't use advanced
[2016-03-14 23:42:07] BitMEX_Sam : Why's that?
[2016-03-14 23:42:18] rapidtrades : maybe it's my small resolution but it doesn't look right
[2016-03-14 23:42:28] rapidtrades : i'll take a screenshot tomorrow
[2016-03-14 23:44:41] BitMEX_Sam : Okay - yeah, you'd have to be more specific for me to have a chance of addressing it
[2016-03-14 23:46:44] peasant-wizard : Are OCO orders part of UI yet?
[2016-03-14 23:46:59] BitMEX_Sam : Not yet.
[2016-03-14 23:47:13] peasant-wizard : No problemo thanks
[2016-03-14 23:50:16] rapidtrades : so the sidebar can only move left/right
[2016-03-14 23:50:23] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: In the meantime I've re-enabled the minimize button on the chart in the basic mode
[2016-03-14 23:50:26] BitMEX_Sam : If you refresh you'll see it
[2016-03-14 23:50:29] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Correct re: sidebar
[2016-03-14 23:50:57] BitMEX_Sam : This being because it has to be able to expand vertically to accommodate order types with differing numbers of fields
[2016-03-14 23:51:23] rapidtrades : thanks for the minimize button
[2016-03-15 00:04:06] peasant-wizard : Curious where I can find my position losses or profits when it closes from stop or limit. I don't see it in the Trade history. Cash Settlement is what I'm looking for, but for positions closed outside of settlement
[2016-03-15 00:06:46] peasant-wizard : Oh wait, is there only Cash Settlement... The only time wallets get debited or credited is at settlement for that instrument?
[2016-03-15 00:08:09] peasant-wizard : In which case I'm curious why I don't see anything under Withheld Profit
[2016-03-15 00:10:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 3500 @ 415.92
[2016-03-15 00:14:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 150 @ 0.03049
[2016-03-15 00:44:48] j8 : peasant-wizard: Realised PNL is where it goes until settlement / weekly rebalance
[2016-03-15 00:46:15] peasant-wizard : Right. I see my wallet balance going down as I take bad trades, but don't see those numbers reflected anywhere. My Withheld Profit says 0
[2016-03-15 00:46:50] j8 : withheld profit is only for profits
[2016-03-15 00:47:50] peasant-wizard : Profits are withheld and losses are instant?
[2016-03-15 00:48:39] j8 : yeah losses come out of your balance immediately, profit is withheld i.e. it can't be used for margin or withdrawn, in case there is DPE
[2016-03-15 00:49:54] j8 : although there's a system in place that unlocks part of the withheld profit occasionally before settlement
[2016-03-15 00:50:17] peasant-wizard : Ok great I am reading about that in the FAQ. However still looking for my losses per trade, can that only be tracked manually?
[2016-03-15 00:50:42] peasant-wizard : By comparing wallet balance before and after each trade
[2016-03-15 00:51:25] j8 : yeah unfortunately that's not shown anywhere on a per-trade basis
[2016-03-15 00:52:29] peasant-wizard : Thanks for your patience just wanted clarification. No problem. Overall extremely impressed with the platform
[2016-03-15 00:54:09] j8 : np, yeah i agree that would be useful
[2016-03-15 00:59:47] viptrader : RIP ETH
[2016-03-15 00:59:51] viptrader : dumpppppppppp that shit
[2016-03-15 00:59:57] viptrader : it's going to 0.023
[2016-03-15 01:00:38] habibi : noone listening to u, even u can be lucky enough to choose the right path of the price young padavan
[2016-03-15 01:02:42] micmix : last two times with viptrader: buy ETH followed by REKT ETH longs. next time sell ETH followed by REKT ETH short.
[2016-03-15 01:03:02] habibi : see? u are not even lucky :p
[2016-03-15 01:03:50] micmix : it was funny, he was right in general direction just the timing was a bit off
[2016-03-15 01:05:29] zanza : that she blows
[2016-03-15 01:05:34] zanza : thar*
[2016-03-15 01:43:55] chromaticcr : BitMEX_Sam: I guess everyone is having this issue on chrome when -webkit-transform(-3d) are being used... : https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=130940
[2016-03-15 01:46:17] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 2500 @ 418.43
[2016-03-15 01:54:52] zanza : ETH is dropping like a rock
[2016-03-15 02:48:42] viptrader : RIP ETH
[2016-03-15 02:49:59] viptrader : We should insert some music
[2016-03-15 02:50:04] viptrader : this is the end
[2016-03-15 02:50:10] viptrader : .......
[2016-03-15 03:00:21] viptrader : huge dump coming
[2016-03-15 03:05:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.02992
[2016-03-15 03:06:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 110 @ 0.02976
[2016-03-15 03:06:28] viptrader : what is Withheld Profit
[2016-03-15 03:07:06] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq#why-is-my-profit-withheld
[2016-03-15 03:07:51] viptrader : BitMEX_Wally: the payment is after the settlment?
[2016-03-15 03:08:51] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, or after the Friday weekly rebalance for the monthly contracts
[2016-03-15 03:09:03] BitMEX_Wally : In general we try and unlock 50% of realised profits before settlement
[2016-03-15 03:09:49] viptrader : BitMEX_Wally: thnx
[2016-03-15 03:11:44] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: can I get realized PNL for XBT48H separately from XBT24H? realisedPNL for XBT48H is zero on settlement
[2016-03-15 03:13:38] micmix : should I get realisedPNL for my position just before the settlement?
[2016-03-15 03:23:19] elmorte : Damn, 4 orders haven
[2016-03-15 03:23:42] elmorte : t been able to execute....UI is lagging
[2016-03-15 03:23:49] elmorte : Anyone else with the issue?
[2016-03-15 03:24:22] elmorte : Even these last msgs I only see in the archive, but not the chat window
[2016-03-15 03:27:04] elmorte : F5 &...oh crap....the orders executed but the UI was not updating...luckily 2 orders were outside the spread
[2016-03-15 03:27:39] elmorte : So now I'm only double the position I wanted...better than 4x I guess
[2016-03-15 03:33:41] ayy lmao : bitmex has come a long way since last year
[2016-03-15 03:33:46] ayy lmao : shit be tight
[2016-03-15 03:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 700 @ 0.02877
[2016-03-15 03:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02906
[2016-03-15 03:33:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.02921 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-15 03:34:53] uiop : some folks are selling
[2016-03-15 03:37:15] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: XBT24H settles and the realised PNL is moved to your wallet, and then XBT48H is effectively renamed XBT24H
[2016-03-15 03:37:29] BitMEX_Wally : So your XBT24H position inherits the realised PNL from XBT48H
[2016-03-15 03:59:07] elmorte : Thanks for the index line on the charts dudes
[2016-03-15 04:00:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 2 @ 419.38 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-15 04:20:30] viptrader : why u guys being liquadted
[2016-03-15 04:20:37] viptrader : this is easy money
[2016-03-15 04:20:54] viptrader : i can help you with that
[2016-03-15 04:20:58] viptrader : anyone who want
[2016-03-15 04:30:17] arbitrage001 : viptrader: what help are you giving?
[2016-03-15 04:30:30] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, so daily XBT24H cash settlement on the wallet page inlcludes XBT48H realized PNL for the previous day, right? that's why it didn't match what my system was calculating
[2016-03-15 04:30:46] viptrader : arbitrage001: on ethereum trades
[2016-03-15 04:31:09] viptrader : i have been trading the same patterns for 3 years
[2016-03-15 04:31:22] arbitrage001 : viptrader: how ?
[2016-03-15 04:32:21] viptrader : i can give you my facebook
[2016-03-15 04:32:27] micmix : and I need to store realisedPNL of XBT24H position immediately after XBT24H is relisted, and that will give me realized PNL on XBT48H for the previous day
[2016-03-15 04:32:31] viptrader : and send u messages there
[2016-03-15 04:32:56] viptrader : add me: rani saadi
[2016-03-15 04:33:19] viptrader : a black and white profile pic
[2016-03-15 04:35:30] arbitrage001 : i will start making money once i add you on facebook?
[2016-03-15 04:36:20] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Yes, effectively there no longer is XBT24H. There are just two XBT48H contracts, 24 hours apart, that get called XBT24H in their last 24 hours. If that makes sense
[2016-03-15 04:36:28] viptrader : arbitrage001: im sure you will
[2016-03-15 04:36:46] viptrader : arbitrage001: just send me a message there
[2016-03-15 04:36:47] BitMEX_Wally : We could have called them XBT48H_Even and XBT48H_Odd
[2016-03-15 04:37:12] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: yes, got it, thanks. I would trade odd contracts only :-)
[2016-03-15 04:38:33] arbitrage001 : viptrader: can you lend me 1 btc? then you trade it for me. Once you start making profit, just send me 50% of the profit and you keep 50%
[2016-03-15 04:39:02] arbitrage001 : win win situation
[2016-03-15 04:39:19] viptrader : arbitrage001: ah ok, you are not taking this seriously
[2016-03-15 04:39:22] viptrader : nevermind
[2016-03-15 04:40:49] viptrader : just to let you know buddy
[2016-03-15 04:41:01] viptrader : my trading room shorted ETH at 0.365
[2016-03-15 04:56:05] chromaticcr : BitMEX_Wally: perhaps XBT0316
[2016-03-15 04:56:27] chromaticcr : so you wont mess 0331 and 0401 up coz they are both odd
[2016-03-15 04:56:30] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, but we don't want to flood the instrument table with new symbols
[2016-03-15 05:03:44] chromaticcr : Most optimal, non-clashing method I could think of is marking the day of week?
[2016-03-15 05:04:07] chromaticcr : XBT_THU
[2016-03-15 08:40:29] jung1 : damn that eth really cant drop
[2016-03-15 08:40:44] jung1 : if we will stay aroun 1bln market cap
[2016-03-15 08:40:57] jung1 : eth is here to stay
[2016-03-15 08:45:48] rapidtrades : it wont stay around 1 bl, that's absurd
[2016-03-15 08:47:18] elmorte : Yeah, I was expecting it to go down at least a little...0.028
[2016-03-15 08:47:28] elmorte : And it did for a while, but bounced right back
[2016-03-15 08:47:56] jung1 : it looks like its overpriced
[2016-03-15 08:48:25] jung1 : but on the other hand its huge technology and big players alreadycould see that
[2016-03-15 08:49:10] jung1 : funny
[2016-03-15 08:51:30] elmorte : Yeah, definitely overpriced and ppl know but like you say they're unwilling to sell coz of the potential...
[2016-03-15 08:52:46] elmorte : Sound like a football "expert" talking head before a match
[2016-03-15 08:55:11] jung1 : I think people learned from bitcoin that there is no point to see too soon if there is potencial to sell it 10x higher in 1-2 years
[2016-03-15 08:56:24] elmorte : Assuming a lot of them are hodlers...what happened to speculators? Probably out already since it ain't crashing
[2016-03-15 08:58:32] jung1 : well like 80% of wallet from presale are not moved
[2016-03-15 08:59:09] jung1 : and you can see that shorts just did not work on eth
[2016-03-15 09:00:39] micmix : most people are still waiting for it to go higher. it has to stop going up for a month or so or crash sharply before they sell
[2016-03-15 09:01:16] micmix : people who bought bitcoin @ 600-800 didn't sell until it dropped below 400
[2016-03-15 09:01:31] jung1 : true that
[2016-03-15 09:01:37] micmix : some will never sell of course
[2016-03-15 09:01:45] micmix : same with ETH
[2016-03-15 09:01:53] elmorte : wow
[2016-03-15 09:01:55] jung1 : but about speculators. eth currently have more than 50% of bitcoin trading volume
[2016-03-15 09:02:09] jung1 : http://coinmarketcap.com/
[2016-03-15 09:02:40] habibi : even now people rather want to have inception of dreams can happen real, then actually taking profit and resigning from these great dreams of becoming millionaires
[2016-03-15 09:03:32] micmix : yeah, like some are still waiting for $10,000 bitcoin to buy a yacht
[2016-03-15 09:03:53] elmorte : We all gonna have yacths in 30 yrs!
[2016-03-15 09:04:11] elmorte : But probably due to global warming rather than bitcoin
[2016-03-15 09:04:17] micmix : well if bitcoin goes to $10,000 sure, why not :-)
[2016-03-15 09:04:50] jung1 : faster
[2016-03-15 09:04:51] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.03048
[2016-03-15 09:04:54] micmix : maybe we finally get some good weather bc of global warming :-)
[2016-03-15 09:04:55] habibi : micmix: yep, but thats a part of bigger volatility. so in case we dont believe in same shit, we can take profit in the meanwhile :) and still be in great mood even if these dreams will be real
[2016-03-15 09:05:27] jung1 : this is how market works
[2016-03-15 09:05:39] jung1 : I belive that we will go up, you belive that we will go down
[2016-03-15 09:05:42] jung1 : money flows
[2016-03-15 09:06:07] micmix : and exchanges get richer and everyone else poorer :-)
[2016-03-15 09:06:29] elmorte : I'm short term bearish and long term bullish...just gotta reconcile the terms with actual dates
[2016-03-15 09:07:41] elmorte : Well they earn it if they do a good job :) Hopefully we get invited to a company cruise
[2016-03-15 09:07:59] elmorte : Never been to Tahiti
[2016-03-15 09:11:26] micmix : I've been to maybe 9-10 countries from 195, lots of interesting places left to see
[2016-03-15 09:12:28] micmix : scientists have to harry up with teleportation, flying takes too long
[2016-03-15 09:13:34] elmorte : Word
[2016-03-15 09:13:51] elmorte : Maybe we can do it on Eth blockchain
[2016-03-15 09:13:57] elmorte : "few lines of code"
[2016-03-15 09:14:34] micmix : no thanks, I don't want to be digitized and embedded into the public blockchain
[2016-03-15 09:14:51] elmorte : You'd be immortal
[2016-03-15 09:15:03] micmix : that means anyone can make copies of me
[2016-03-15 09:15:19] elmorte : And we could make copies of Eva Longoria...
[2016-03-15 09:15:38] elmorte : gettin digi' wit it
[2016-03-15 09:16:52] micmix : my wife will not be happy, and my wife is younger so no thanks
[2016-03-15 09:18:09] rapidtrades : PBOC wants to introduce a tobin tax
[2016-03-15 09:18:51] elmorte : micmix: more for me :)
[2016-03-15 09:19:55] micmix : rapidtrades: have a link? I wonder if they try to apply it to bitcoin
[2016-03-15 09:20:16] rapidtrades : it's a forex tax, so no
[2016-03-15 09:20:21] elmorte : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/china-said-to-draft-rules-for-tobin-tax-on-currency-transactions
[2016-03-15 09:21:09] rapidtrades : damin i was just gonna paste
[2016-03-15 09:21:20] micmix : bitcoin is not currency officially but China can decide to treat it as such
[2016-03-15 09:21:54] elmorte : rapidtrades: apologies
[2016-03-15 09:22:21] jung1 : micmix: eu also said that btc is currency
[2016-03-15 09:22:55] micmix : thnx for the link
[2016-03-15 09:25:39] elmorte : I don't understand this...this applied only to legal forex trading. Majority is on the black market, correct me if I'm wrong
[2016-03-15 09:25:45] elmorte : applies*
[2016-03-15 09:27:34] rapidtrades : yeah don't think it will apply to btc yet but with china there's always the risk
[2016-03-15 09:27:53] rapidtrades : if it starts getting used to smuggle funds out they will clamp down
[2016-03-15 09:29:15] micmix : tobin tax on btc/cny will kill Chinese bitcoin exchanges overnight
[2016-03-15 09:30:40] micmix : and tank bitcoin price too
[2016-03-15 09:31:43] elmorte : But how to implement it?
[2016-03-15 09:32:03] rapidtrades : no it wouldn't kill them cos fees on traidng bitcoin are relatively high
[2016-03-15 09:32:39] elmorte : It's not like you're depositing yuan and getting back FCY
[2016-03-15 09:32:50] elmorte : You're just depositing yuan to a local account
[2016-03-15 09:32:53] rapidtrades : but eventually trading should shift to other markets
[2016-03-15 09:32:55] BitMEX_Arthur : micmix: Why do you think that
[2016-03-15 09:33:06] BitMEX_Arthur : do you think they would apply tobin tax to btc transactions on exchanges
[2016-03-15 09:33:08] BitMEX_Arthur : in RMB?
[2016-03-15 09:33:47] rapidtrades : at least when it comes to exchanges we're somewhat diversified
[2016-03-15 09:33:59] rapidtrades : most Chinese sites have offshore version now
[2016-03-15 09:34:13] micmix : if they force exchanges to apply tobin tax on BTC/CNY pair the volumes will drop significantly
[2016-03-15 09:34:23] rapidtrades : that's true
[2016-03-15 09:34:28] BitMEX_Arthur : Yeah i doubt that would happen, given they don't consider BTC a currency
[2016-03-15 09:34:32] elmorte : Yah, but the major BTC volume is till on mainland @rapidtrades
[2016-03-15 09:34:44] BitMEX_Arthur : but if they did yeah all the volume would dissappear
[2016-03-15 09:34:55] habibi : its still small market for them to take ani real money from in taxes
[2016-03-15 09:35:02] elmorte : If the vol. fig. are to be believed
[2016-03-15 09:35:24] BitMEX_Arthur : btc would still be useful assuming you just get ur money into btc once, u just pay the tax once
[2016-03-15 09:35:24] rapidtrades : yeah btc is safe until chinese start using it on mass to make money out
[2016-03-15 09:35:30] rapidtrades : take*
[2016-03-15 09:35:50] elmorte : I'm pretty sure that's what they've been doing all along
[2016-03-15 09:35:52] BitMEX_Arthur : the tax wouldn't be more than 1% i bet
[2016-03-15 09:36:06] rapidtrades : elmorte: no they haven't
[2016-03-15 09:36:21] elmorte : THen why such a demand?
[2016-03-15 09:36:32] rapidtrades : idk...why are ppl buying eth?
[2016-03-15 09:36:33] micmix : yes, that's the big question, will they decide if BTC is a currency and the tax has to be applied. main volume is on the mainland and they can easily tax BTC/CNY if they want
[2016-03-15 09:37:21] micmix : even 0.5% tax will kill almost all bot trading on zero fee BTC/CNY
[2016-03-15 09:37:45] micmix : many MMs will pull out, the market will die
[2016-03-15 09:37:46] rapidtrades : doesn't matter, okc has HK site, so does BTCC
[2016-03-15 09:37:48] chromaticcr : Best part of China is that they always find a get-around
[2016-03-15 09:38:11] chromaticcr : *#%& regulations at its best
[2016-03-15 09:38:12] rapidtrades : volume will just shift to USD pairs
[2016-03-15 09:38:47] micmix : no, the volume comes from onshore yuan
[2016-03-15 09:38:52] elmorte : rapidtrades: ppl are buying at to speculate/invest. Chinese are buying bitcoin to hedge against RMB devaluation
[2016-03-15 09:39:01] elmorte : And escape capital controls
[2016-03-15 09:39:07] rapidtrades : elmorte: where the data?
[2016-03-15 09:39:17] elmorte : buying eth*
[2016-03-15 09:39:32] chromaticcr : and speculate, and gamble
[2016-03-15 09:39:35] elmorte : Don't have time to answer your every whim
[2016-03-15 09:39:48] micmix : well the volume comes from bots trading on zero fee BTC/CNY markets with onshore yuan
[2016-03-15 09:39:50] rapidtrades : isn't polo the main ETH exchange? and the main pair is ETH/BTC
[2016-03-15 09:39:59] rapidtrades : so no CNY
[2016-03-15 09:40:03] elmorte : Yeah, coz they don't take fiat deposits
[2016-03-15 09:40:22] rapidtrades : elmorte: then how are they hedging their CNY stupid
[2016-03-15 09:40:32] BitMEX_Arthur : micmix: Agreed a tobin tax would kill bot liquidity
[2016-03-15 09:40:46] BitMEX_Arthur : But there would still be a natural market but volume would probably be 10-20k coins a day
[2016-03-15 09:40:51] BitMEX_Arthur : rather than 3 million
[2016-03-15 09:40:56] elmorte : Same way I hedged MYR when it was plummeting: buy BTC and hold
[2016-03-15 09:41:17] elmorte : If you can't buy forex, you go for the next best thing
[2016-03-15 09:41:37] rapidtrades : elmorte: buy with what...u don't think things through do u
[2016-03-15 09:41:49] elmorte : fuckin troll
[2016-03-15 09:42:21] rapidtrades : explain how can chinese hedge CNY exposure on eth/btc or eth/usd
[2016-03-15 09:42:42] elmorte : You're the only one talking about eth
[2016-03-15 09:42:58] micmix : BitMEX_Arthur: yep, volumes will be below 30k coins. and the price will tank because pumps that prop the price from time to time will become much more expensive
[2016-03-15 09:43:19] elmorte : wtf...read properly and take your meds
[2016-03-15 09:43:46] rapidtrades : elmorte: rapidtrades: ppl are buying at to speculate/invest. Chinese are buying bitcoin to hedge against RMB devaluation 10:39 - elmorte: And escape capital controls 10:39 - rapidtrades: elmorte: where the data? 10:39 - elmorte: buying eth*
[2016-03-15 09:44:02] rapidtrades : buying ETH in ur own words, stupid
[2016-03-15 09:44:03] elmorte : ppl are buying ETH at to speculate/invest.
[2016-03-15 09:44:10] elmorte : The rest is unchanged
[2016-03-15 09:44:44] elmorte : I can see how you misunderstood
[2016-03-15 09:44:52] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-03-15 09:45:07] rapidtrades : we can't read ur mind buddy
[2016-03-15 09:45:18] elmorte : In answer to 17:36 - rapidtrades: idk...why are ppl buying eth?
[2016-03-15 09:45:43] elmorte : <3
[2016-03-15 09:46:39] elmorte : I'm out, gotta catch Chinese suppliers before they head off
[2016-03-15 09:46:49] rapidtrades : yeah that was needlessly heated exchange, sorry about that @elmorte
[2016-03-15 09:47:07] elmorte : same here bud
[2016-03-15 09:50:23] chromaticcr : BitMEX_Arthur: XBTM16 or other high premium chart may render useless when the indicativeSettlePrice series (purple) is added.