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[2016-03-03 12:17:22] splash : everything moves in waves
[2016-03-03 12:17:45] elmorte : yup
[2016-03-03 12:18:04] splash : you dont get one of those waves and then price going to zero.... noooo.... that draws attention and speculators. they then pile in and create at least one more wave up
[2016-03-03 12:18:08] splash : probably more
[2016-03-03 12:18:36] splash : velocity picks up, prices move far away from moving averages and then eventually it gets ahead of itself and crashes
[2016-03-03 12:19:16] splash : but it has to crash sooo hard that people get utterly scared, before the pull back to be a real crash. then it takes LONG time for people to get confidence. thats what weve had with bitcoins
[2016-03-03 12:19:38] splash : a few rule of thumbs, never short a bull market.
[2016-03-03 12:19:55] splash : IF you do, use tight stoploss and buy when price is beyond crazy high
[2016-03-03 12:20:10] splash : price should be going up really fast even on 1 minute frame
[2016-03-03 12:20:30] splash : you have to look at the bigger timeframes to see that
[2016-03-03 12:21:21] splash : look at ETH on 15 minutes chart and see how the speed of things are picking up
[2016-03-03 12:21:27] splash : ask yourself. "why"
[2016-03-03 12:21:38] splash : its NOT because of buying
[2016-03-03 12:21:42] splash : its because of people not selling
[2016-03-03 12:21:58] splash : well... people are buying, but more importantly people are not selling
[2016-03-03 12:22:02] splash : suply and demand
[2016-03-03 12:22:17] splash : when people start to sell in earnest, there wont be enugh people buying
[2016-03-03 12:22:20] splash : thats the crash
[2016-03-03 12:22:27] splash : people are crazy
[2016-03-03 12:22:35] splash : they think buying is not the same as holding
[2016-03-03 12:22:45] splash : therefor they feel more safe holding
[2016-03-03 12:23:02] splash : so though even they would not buy, they have no problem holding, thus they are not sellers
[2016-03-03 12:23:10] splash : same thing really
[2016-03-03 12:23:12] rapidtrades : this illiquid pos exchange man
[2016-03-03 12:23:22] splash : yea
[2016-03-03 12:23:29] splash : order book dries up
[2016-03-03 12:23:34] rapidtrades : 20 mins no trades
[2016-03-03 12:23:35] splash : crash boom bang crash
[2016-03-03 12:25:11] rapidtrades : FUCKNG TRADES FAGGOTS
[2016-03-03 12:36:00] splash : rapidtrades, emotions gets u killed
[2016-03-03 12:37:18] rapidtrades : u can't get shit filled here, noone's trading
[2016-03-03 12:37:20] rapidtrades : what ajoke
[2016-03-03 12:37:47] splash : well
[2016-03-03 12:37:53] rapidtrades : guess is should pay $1 above market and 0.075% to get order filled
[2016-03-03 12:38:18] splash : well... you have to weight the odds of the exchange screwing u over
[2016-03-03 12:38:40] splash : i traded at bitfinex. worked fined untill they margin called me when their trading engine failed
[2016-03-03 12:38:50] elmorte : splash: thanks for the write up :)
[2016-03-03 12:38:58] splash : elmorte: sure no thing
[2016-03-03 12:39:03] rapidtrades : splash: don't remember that
[2016-03-03 12:39:44] splash : rapidtrades: i would have been long a massive position at 300 or something right now, had it not been for that
[2016-03-03 12:39:47] splash : same thing with mtgo
[2016-03-03 12:39:50] splash : mtgox
[2016-03-03 12:40:05] splash : i escaped a few exchanges going bust so far
[2016-03-03 12:40:22] splash : bitfinex was my worst experience, lost the most there
[2016-03-03 12:40:58] splash : know other people who stopped using them as well
[2016-03-03 12:41:23] elmorte : Finex doesn't have futures, right? Just margin
[2016-03-03 12:41:26] splash : bitmex have a good rep so far, so i can live with the poor spread
[2016-03-03 12:41:38] splash : elmorte: i did margin there.
[2016-03-03 12:41:56] elmorte : Just asking, since I seem to miss these things
[2016-03-03 12:42:06] elmorte : I asked before as well and there wee crickets
[2016-03-03 12:42:08] splash : elmorte: i dont know what they offer else. stay away from them though. every now and then they b*tf*k their traders
[2016-03-03 12:42:32] splash : btc-e is a strange cookie
[2016-03-03 12:42:46] splash : why have they not added any new coins?!
[2016-03-03 12:42:57] elmorte : Hehe, that was one of my first USD exchanges
[2016-03-03 12:43:07] splash : yea they been around
[2016-03-03 12:43:13] splash : used to be safe
[2016-03-03 12:43:36] elmorte : I don't know, hard to associate that part of the world with safe...
[2016-03-03 12:44:00] elmorte : Yet, I still have coins there.
[2016-03-03 12:44:02] splash : my thinking was that they could bribe their way out of any legal problem ;)
[2016-03-03 12:44:03] rapidtrades : no trade in 40 mins...post f settlement
[2016-03-03 12:44:08] elmorte : splash: word
[2016-03-03 12:44:22] elmorte : rapidtrades: there was a 2hr window yesterday I think
[2016-03-03 12:44:31] rapidtrades : WELL GREAT
[2016-03-03 12:44:37] elmorte : Chart flatlined
[2016-03-03 12:44:43] splash : elmorte: also the juristicion doesnt save you from exchanges going bust... im thinking if many examples
[2016-03-03 12:44:51] splash : wasnt cryptsy in US?
[2016-03-03 12:44:59] elmorte : It was about this time too...post settlement, before 10pm China time
[2016-03-03 12:45:03] rapidtrades : splash: florida
[2016-03-03 12:45:07] splash : ahhh
[2016-03-03 12:45:21] splash : yea
[2016-03-03 12:45:33] splash : feel sorry about crypto newbies
[2016-03-03 12:45:38] elmorte : The official exp. for Crypsty was a hac though, right?
[2016-03-03 12:45:43] elmorte : hack
[2016-03-03 12:45:46] splash : i think so
[2016-03-03 12:45:54] splash : same with all other exchanges ive heard of
[2016-03-03 12:45:57] splash : basically
[2016-03-03 12:45:58] j8 : i've traded on at least 9 exchanges that have shut down :\ amazingly haven't been burned
[2016-03-03 12:46:06] splash : j8: amazing
[2016-03-03 12:46:09] splash : j8: same here
[2016-03-03 12:46:13] splash : hmm
[2016-03-03 12:46:23] rapidtrades : only ryptsy here :)
[2016-03-03 12:46:32] rapidtrades : *riptsy
[2016-03-03 12:46:42] splash : j8:. well i was burned on bitfinex though. but otheerwise im good
[2016-03-03 12:46:42] j8 : i even had funds on mintpal when they fell apart, and was able to withdraw
[2016-03-03 12:46:46] elmorte : RIPtsy
[2016-03-03 12:46:46] splash : lol
[2016-03-03 12:46:55] splash : j8: thats an achievment
[2016-03-03 12:47:10] splash : mintpal was one crazy thing
[2016-03-03 12:47:16] j8 : those were the days eh
[2016-03-03 12:47:16] splash : you even could invest in in
[2016-03-03 12:47:18] splash : realsolid
[2016-03-03 12:47:41] splash : had a reputation as a scammer, yet everyone piled into investing in his exchange.
[2016-03-03 12:47:47] jung1 : mcxnow was awesome
[2016-03-03 12:48:18] splash : lol
[2016-03-03 12:48:56] splash : people used to nasdaq and what not... they dont know what they are gettinginto
[2016-03-03 12:49:20] splash : the smart thing is to trade with margin, so you dont get to be wiped out when using your own coins on an exchange ;)
[2016-03-03 12:49:54] splash : margin (short term) cold storage (long only, long term)
[2016-03-03 12:50:24] splash : have u read the eth forums?
[2016-03-03 12:50:27] splash : its funnt
[2016-03-03 12:50:34] rapidtrades : eth has forums
[2016-03-03 12:50:36] splash : people think it can not god down
[2016-03-03 12:50:56] rapidtrades : what a bunch of fegs
[2016-03-03 12:51:33] elmorte : eth has a bit of a cult following it seems, right @jung1 ? :)
[2016-03-03 12:51:45] elmorte : Was BTC the same before?
[2016-03-03 12:51:53] Teddy76 : mintpal was a dream before f****g Moolah
[2016-03-03 12:52:09] jung1 : elmorte: yes. We are addicted to meth
[2016-03-03 12:52:18] splash : moolah... oh man
[2016-03-03 12:52:26] splash : oh man oh man
[2016-03-03 12:52:29] Teddy76 : sorry
[2016-03-03 12:52:40] Teddy76 : effectively we can't talk about it
[2016-03-03 12:52:59] Teddy76 : just remember that they are responsible for RIPed mintpal
[2016-03-03 12:53:03] elmorte : jung1: You tried using the debit card from Spectrocoin yet?
[2016-03-03 12:53:16] elmorte : virtual*
[2016-03-03 12:53:24] jung1 : yes
[2016-03-03 12:53:26] jung1 : works fine
[2016-03-03 12:53:55] elmorte : Cool...I got mine thanks to your protip, ain't tried it yet
[2016-03-03 12:54:03] jung1 : its normal MyChoice Visa virtual card
[2016-03-03 12:54:18] elmorte : Yeah, I got the emails from MyChoice
[2016-03-03 12:54:40] jung1 : cheapest on the market right now
[2016-03-03 12:55:47] elmorte : the fees?
[2016-03-03 12:58:27] jung1 : https://spectrocoin.com/en/bitcoin-debit-card.html
[2016-03-03 13:01:19] elmorte : I know the fees, just wondering what is cheapest as you say
[2016-03-03 13:01:51] elmorte : I got the card for free for completing the survey :)
[2016-03-03 13:02:08] jung1 : 0,5$ for virtual and like 9$ for mormal card
[2016-03-03 13:02:41] rapidtrades : 1 trade and its 200 contracts.what a joke
[2016-03-03 13:03:47] rapidtrades : sorry 100 f contracts
[2016-03-03 13:03:51] elmorte : 100, lol
[2016-03-03 13:04:32] jung1 : so what?
[2016-03-03 13:04:34] elmorte : Eth hasn't had a trade in over 6 minutes if it makes you feel better
[2016-03-03 13:04:37] jung1 : money is money
[2016-03-03 13:04:55] elmorte : Scratch that, 700 contracts just traded
[2016-03-03 13:06:36] rapidtrades : i don'tsee them
[2016-03-03 13:06:47] elmorte : Not BTC :)
[2016-03-03 13:06:50] rapidtrades : DIE
[2016-03-03 13:06:59] elmorte : Already dead, you gave me Zika
[2016-03-03 13:07:15] jung1 : also keep an eye on MAID in march. will be hot in next weeks
[2016-03-03 13:07:16] jung1 : https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_maid
[2016-03-03 13:07:33] elmorte : Lot of pump for maid on polo...
[2016-03-03 13:07:44] elmorte : Hard to take it seriously with that name though
[2016-03-03 13:09:00] elmorte : jung1: On polo it makes no diff if you're a maker or taker, right?
[2016-03-03 13:09:49] jung1 : I bought some week ago. Will be not suprised if Maidsafe for data, Bitcoin for money, Ethereum for smart contracts
[2016-03-03 13:09:53] jung1 : in couple of years
[2016-03-03 13:10:07] jung1 : elmorte: yes
[2016-03-03 13:14:50] rapidtrades : finally
[2016-03-03 13:16:10] rapidtrades : what a waste of 1 hour man
[2016-03-03 13:16:20] jung1 : get a life
[2016-03-03 13:16:24] jung1 : go outside
[2016-03-03 13:16:28] jung1 : buy a bike
[2016-03-03 13:16:39] jung1 : trust me
[2016-03-03 13:16:50] jung1 : outside graphic is even better
[2016-03-03 13:17:02] elmorte : 4k resolution
[2016-03-03 13:17:05] rapidtrades : weather's shit
[2016-03-03 13:17:17] elmorte : Move to the tropics :)
[2016-03-03 13:17:30] jung1 : yeah you can afford it
[2016-03-03 13:17:34] rapidtrades : too much sun
[2016-03-03 13:17:38] jung1 : bitmex works also in tropics
[2016-03-03 13:17:58] rapidtrades : yeah i should join them at the Seychelles
[2016-03-03 13:18:06] rapidtrades : i miss daddy
[2016-03-03 13:19:22] elmorte : The Seychelles' climate is one which is always warm and does not reach extremes of heat or cold. The temperature rarely drops below 24°C or rises above 32°C.
[2016-03-03 13:19:31] elmorte : Sounds perfect
[2016-03-03 13:50:21] jung1 : PROTIP: you have around 9months to collect 1500eth. After 9month ETH switch to PoS and only way to get new coins will be node that you can run wit 1500eth
[2016-03-03 14:02:58] arbitrage001 : artificially creating temporary demand
[2016-03-03 14:03:14] arbitrage001 : i dont think ETH going to end well
[2016-03-03 14:07:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 2 @ 0.02362 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-03 14:12:42] Mangalica : polo BTC interest rate went up above .5%
[2016-03-03 14:13:44] habibi : Mangalica: estimated btc lended?
[2016-03-03 14:14:07] habibi : and how shorts are going? people stil shorting?
[2016-03-03 14:14:19] trestres : habibi 968
[2016-03-03 14:14:23] Mangalica : i have no idea how much, but there is plenty to borrow still, almost 1000
[2016-03-03 14:14:25] sleger : yes about half are shorting dude
[2016-03-03 14:14:36] sleger : like any future
[2016-03-03 14:14:44] habibi : sleger: its not future u stupid
[2016-03-03 14:14:52] Mangalica : 105k ETH available to short, this is relatively high
[2016-03-03 14:15:25] sleger : nah come on you cant say that, you well know who is smarter, picking a fight with me is just dumb
[2016-03-03 14:15:56] habibi : good to be better in math than a smarter guy :)
[2016-03-03 14:16:13] sleger : lol you're definitely not better in math
[2016-03-03 14:16:25] sleger : happy to take any test
[2016-03-03 14:16:39] habibi : 1.2 m eth, how much is that? sleger: its nothing, 20k usd
[2016-03-03 14:16:47] Mangalica : there is also a but putting up hundreds of TINY orders on the buy side on polo, i have not seen this before
[2016-03-03 14:16:54] Mangalica : *but = bot
[2016-03-03 14:17:01] rapidtrades : FIGHT
[2016-03-03 14:17:08] sleger : rapidtrades: stop child
[2016-03-03 14:17:16] rapidtrades : let us have at least some entertainment
[2016-03-03 14:17:21] habibi : Mangalica: isn't it a same bot that used to be on sell book as well sometimes?
[2016-03-03 14:17:38] rapidtrades : market's not moving
[2016-03-03 14:18:17] sleger : habibi: that's all you can come up with ? I'm not a eth expert i made the mistake thinking the price was against usd yes, but my maths was correct. You on the other hand, really suck at it
[2016-03-03 14:18:26] Mangalica : i dont know. Possible that i havent noticed it before, but it's getting annoying
[2016-03-03 14:18:37] habibi : sleger: where did u miss any math?
[2016-03-03 14:18:50] sleger : actually pretty much anything that comes out of your keyboard is useless
[2016-03-03 14:19:08] sleger : your latest question doesnt mean anything in english
[2016-03-03 14:19:11] rapidtrades : wtf....sledger especially mean today
[2016-03-03 14:19:14] habibi : so u talking about math or overall? kinda bad ad persona argument
[2016-03-03 14:19:37] sleger : we can start with math, but overall is also true
[2016-03-03 14:19:44] habibi : sleger seems to get choked
[2016-03-03 14:20:07] rapidtrades : yeah drop those toys, they're for +7 yrs olds
[2016-03-03 14:20:18] rapidtrades : they're choke hazard
[2016-03-03 14:20:36] sleger : i only avoid pretzels i've heard they're dangerous
[2016-03-03 14:20:49] habibi : just read sth about eristic, coz being an snooty guy doesn't make u feel special at all
[2016-03-03 14:20:56] rapidtrades : yeah wait until ur teeth grow @sleger
[2016-03-03 14:21:18] sleger : this guy is picking up a fight on math... unbelievable ! clearly you have no clue
[2016-03-03 14:21:36] rapidtrades : hahahah he's so outraged, this is great
[2016-03-03 14:21:57] habibi : rapidtrades: me :D?
[2016-03-03 14:22:03] rapidtrades : nah
[2016-03-03 14:22:29] rapidtrades : habibi: what did u say to him, i just came in lol
[2016-03-03 14:22:41] sleger : the dumbest guy on this chat (and there is a lot of competition) picks a fight on math... where statistically I'm for sure in top 0.01% and probably way more zeros than this
[2016-03-03 14:23:00] sleger : " habibi: sleger: its not future u stupid"
[2016-03-03 14:23:35] habibi : he tried to be snooty saying that there is 50% shorters on polo coz in his mind its futures so i called him "u stupid" and its started :D
[2016-03-03 14:23:45] sleger : no i never said polo
[2016-03-03 14:23:49] sleger : obviously
[2016-03-03 14:24:11] habibi : sleger: was i talking about mtgox?
[2016-03-03 14:24:13] sleger : now that's you trying to lie your way out
[2016-03-03 14:24:17] habibi : obviously not
[2016-03-03 14:25:07] sleger : "sleger: yes about half are shorting dude - sleger: like any future"
[2016-03-03 14:25:18] sleger : so yes I was obviously talking about here
[2016-03-03 14:25:27] habibi : ah so u werent talking to me then ok:)
[2016-03-03 14:25:33] sleger : i trade on polo i know where futures trade and where they dont
[2016-03-03 14:25:45] habibi : so u a trader! nice
[2016-03-03 14:26:02] sleger : you on the other end keeps asking dumb questions like "people stil shorting?"
[2016-03-03 14:26:06] rapidtrades : I'm going with habiji on this one, it looked like u were commneting on polo
[2016-03-03 14:26:16] sleger : what kind of answer you expect : no the last one who shorted just closed it ?
[2016-03-03 14:26:53] habibi : sleger: Mangalica did pretty good answer :)
[2016-03-03 14:27:25] sleger : this "i have no idea how much"
[2016-03-03 14:28:09] habibi : plus that 15:14 - Mangalica: 105k ETH available to short, this is relatively high much better than 50% are shorters :)
[2016-03-03 14:28:50] sleger : which is an additional information, doesnt answer your question, but you probably dont understand the difference
[2016-03-03 14:29:50] habibi : sleger calm down and eat some snickers, u starting to act like a star
[2016-03-03 14:29:59] sleger : these bitcoiners, just fighting children must think daddy
[2016-03-03 14:30:23] sleger : I'm not a star, most stars are just dumb
[2016-03-03 14:32:23] habibi : ok, just saying my own feeling
[2016-03-03 14:32:58] sleger : anyways, I was being nice because as a child I was told to be nice to the ones born unlucky, but since you started it, be ready to take a hit on any stupid comment you make that I witness
[2016-03-03 14:33:49] sleger : if you're not happy just make a SEPA to withdraw your CNY from chinese exchange as you suggested to someone right ?
[2016-03-03 14:34:11] habibi : sleger now u proof that we both makes mistakes :)
[2016-03-03 14:35:12] habibi : but as u can see i dont have that big ego to offend me so easily as u, but go on, be a "man"
[2016-03-03 14:35:15] sleger : your keyboard is just a random word generator
[2016-03-03 14:35:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 60 @ 0.02384
[2016-03-03 14:36:12] habibi : sleger: more please, i wanna learn from genius
[2016-03-03 14:39:55] Teddy76 : **popcorn noise**
[2016-03-03 14:49:21] rapidtrades : sleger: your keyboard is just a random word generator
[2016-03-03 14:49:27] rapidtrades : hehe that was funny
[2016-03-03 14:50:02] habibi : agree :)
[2016-03-03 14:51:18] splash : i try 2 stay away from these kind of chat battles.
[2016-03-03 14:51:23] splash : do u know y?
[2016-03-03 14:52:15] Teddy76 : splash: i love these kind of questions :D
[2016-03-03 14:52:16] Teddy76 : why?
[2016-03-03 14:52:18] Teddy76 : :D
[2016-03-03 14:52:42] splash : i loose. always. even when im right.
[2016-03-03 14:52:49] Teddy76 : lol
[2016-03-03 14:52:56] splash : bitter truth
[2016-03-03 14:53:26] rapidtrades : sleger does have a big ego
[2016-03-03 14:53:40] Teddy76 : rapidtrades loves that :D
[2016-03-03 14:54:01] splash : i guess u have 2 pass time somehow
[2016-03-03 14:54:28] splash : better talk then trade because of little to do
[2016-03-03 14:54:49] habibi : splash: loosing is also good as long as audience is pleased as long as u can handle that
[2016-03-03 14:55:09] habibi : and as long as u can handle that* :)
[2016-03-03 14:55:22] sleger : if anyone trades on 0kcoin spot usd, can you check the 30 day volume you have ,it is just below the buy or sell button please ?
[2016-03-03 14:55:28] sleger : Mine seems really wrong
[2016-03-03 14:55:52] rapidtrades : mine's constantly wrong
[2016-03-03 14:55:55] splash : lol thats funnybhabbit
[2016-03-03 14:56:01] sleger : rapidtrades: what do you have ?
[2016-03-03 14:56:19] rapidtrades : idk 400 btc
[2016-03-03 14:56:31] sleger : and you do less ?
[2016-03-03 14:56:55] sleger : Mine says "Current 30 day traded volume: 33529.9593BTC " but thats my manual account not the algo so it cant be right
[2016-03-03 14:56:57] rapidtrades : i have no clue...but a lot of times it will witch from 200>100 then back to 200 in the span of 1 trade
[2016-03-03 14:57:18] j8 : sleger: mine says 9.502 btc but my last trade on spot was in august...
[2016-03-03 14:57:32] sleger : maybe its never reset
[2016-03-03 14:57:46] rapidtrades : sleger: it should be a rolling 30 day period
[2016-03-03 14:57:57] splash : i fell in love with a coin once. where kind of active in the community.... worst ever to do for a trader
[2016-03-03 14:57:58] rapidtrades : but it jumps a LOT
[2016-03-03 14:58:01] sleger : yes I know it *should* be but its not
[2016-03-03 14:58:12] rapidtrades : who knows, smth seems very off
[2016-03-03 14:58:30] sleger : anyways, good thing is that my taker fee is 0.1% ;)
[2016-03-03 14:58:38] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-03-03 14:58:57] rapidtrades : no point in complaining then :)
[2016-03-03 14:59:11] rapidtrades : check to see if it changes after u make a trade
[2016-03-03 14:59:29] sleger : ive been making lots of trades past days and it stays around that level
[2016-03-03 15:00:57] rapidtrades : i'll add up my volume when i have time...is urs off my levels of magnitute?
[2016-03-03 15:01:17] j8 : mine is basically equal to total account volume, at a glance
[2016-03-03 15:01:32] sleger : i dont know, maybe i traded a few thousands (1-5k) but not 30k
[2016-03-03 15:02:31] j8 : total over all time
[2016-03-03 15:02:51] rapidtrades : sleger: that's a big miss lol
[2016-03-03 15:03:13] rapidtrades : mine's prolly off by only 2x or smth...if it is off idk
[2016-03-03 15:03:20] rapidtrades : lots of arbs past month
[2016-03-03 15:03:36] rapidtrades : have to add it all up
[2016-03-03 15:03:48] sleger : total volume ever makes sense
[2016-03-03 15:04:40] splash : eth about to crash, not too long now
[2016-03-03 15:04:51] splash : within 24 hours i think
[2016-03-03 15:07:13] Mangalica : i think so too, but it's hard to catch a top
[2016-03-03 15:07:32] Mangalica : i dont expect 0.01 but a shakeout is on order
[2016-03-03 15:08:03] Mangalica : in order, even
[2016-03-03 15:08:54] rapidtrades : sleger: i don't think its total...is this the first time u noticed this? its been off for me past 1-2 months
[2016-03-03 15:09:27] splash : mangalica: y. this is not The crash, but a pullbacl 4 sure¨
[2016-03-03 15:09:40] splash : hard 2 pick top, so avg in
[2016-03-03 15:10:06] splash : 2 early yet for real position
[2016-03-03 15:10:28] Mangalica : yeah i'm too much of a scalper/momo trader to build a big position one way or the other
[2016-03-03 15:11:09] sleger : rapidtrades: i never paid attention before
[2016-03-03 15:11:13] Mangalica : i have some ETH from presale left but otherwise i just scalp whatever i see unfolding
[2016-03-03 15:11:51] j8 : just added it up, it is indeed all time total volume @sleger @rapidtrades
[2016-03-03 15:11:54] splash : wow congratz
[2016-03-03 15:13:20] sleger : j8: crazy, they're giving away bigger discounts that they want, hopefully they're not reading that box :)
[2016-03-03 15:14:22] trestres : may be it is dangerous to take position on ETH... but is it dangerous to lend BTC at 0.5 % per day?
[2016-03-03 15:14:34] j8 : yeah, either that or they changed the policy and didn't update the docs. neither would surprise me
[2016-03-03 15:14:39] rapidtrades : j8: idk, at a very quick glance i have 200btc min past month so all time doesn't seem very likely...at least for me
[2016-03-03 15:14:53] Mangalica : the thing that complicates ETH trading is how BTC behaves. Bitcoin potentially shitting the bed is bullish for ETHBTC obviously
[2016-03-03 15:15:17] splash : mangalica yes during the rally it is
[2016-03-03 15:15:23] rapidtrades : also like i said before, ive seen it constantly fluctuate 200>100 then back to 200 so it's def not moving one way
[2016-03-03 15:15:42] Mangalica : trestres , it's not horribly dangerous but if there is a meltdown the lenders take the risk
[2016-03-03 15:15:59] j8 : well, it's probably just broken then.
[2016-03-03 15:16:21] rapidtrades : mine has never been off by 30x like sleger tho
[2016-03-03 15:16:40] rapidtrades : usually 2x
[2016-03-03 15:17:51] rapidtrades : sleger: u sure no algo is let loose on that account lol
[2016-03-03 15:17:53] gustavo7 : woo
[2016-03-03 15:19:11] sleger : i think j8 is right, for me that might be total ever since i rarely trade there except last few weeks
[2016-03-03 15:20:46] gustavo7 : despite the crash eth can call itself #2 now, beat LTC and XRP in market cap
[2016-03-03 15:20:58] j8 : i had 28 trades going back to 2014 and it added up exactly
[2016-03-03 15:21:23] Mangalica : there goes .023
[2016-03-03 15:21:59] Mangalica : ETH - not even once
[2016-03-03 15:22:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 6 @ 0.02277
[2016-03-03 15:22:22] splash : eth not lower low yet
[2016-03-03 15:23:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.02248
[2016-03-03 15:23:59] gustavo7 : that 3min candle
[2016-03-03 15:24:33] splash : now it is :)
[2016-03-03 15:24:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 4 @ 0.02204 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-03 15:25:13] gustavo7 : looks like flash crashing
[2016-03-03 15:26:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02157
[2016-03-03 15:27:10] habibi : sweet
[2016-03-03 15:27:54] Teddy76 : it will bounce hard imo
[2016-03-03 15:28:00] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-03-03 15:28:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1400 @ 0.02050
[2016-03-03 15:30:29] Mangalica : yup
[2016-03-03 15:30:41] Mangalica : bouncing right now, we'll see what comes out of it
[2016-03-03 15:31:03] cryptostephen : dump i
[2016-03-03 15:31:04] cryptostephen : t
[2016-03-03 15:31:13] splash : i think its 2 early for cfash
[2016-03-03 15:31:19] Mangalica : about 800 BTC retured to the lending book on polo
[2016-03-03 15:31:24] Teddy76 : that bounce is really awesome
[2016-03-03 15:31:43] habibi : Mangalica: whats the %maintenance for polo margin?
[2016-03-03 15:32:06] Mangalica : 20%
[2016-03-03 15:32:41] habibi : so liquidations didnt happen this time
[2016-03-03 15:32:48] elmorte : Awesome, crashed just enough to get me liq'd
[2016-03-03 15:33:27] Teddy76 : polo servers DDOSed by ETH market :D
[2016-03-03 15:33:41] elmorte : yeah, connection's been shit
[2016-03-03 15:34:02] Teddy76 : each time ETH move hard
[2016-03-03 15:35:48] Teddy76 : but in this time, they handle hundreds of order in a second, it's totally understandable but very frustating
[2016-03-03 15:37:14] gustavo7 : short closed .021
[2016-03-03 15:39:20] Mangalica : i managed to lend out some BTC above .5% and those haven't closed yet :)
[2016-03-03 15:40:22] Mangalica : stuff like this doesn't last long, so it's not like expect those to stay open for 60 days but i sure love looking at ridiculous rates lie this
[2016-03-03 15:40:30] Mangalica : *like
[2016-03-03 15:42:00] cryptostephen : Mangalica: how much u making lending at Polo, thats 0.5% per day?
[2016-03-03 15:42:25] sleger : for how long it last yes
[2016-03-03 15:42:45] cryptostephen : what u guys lending like 20btc+ for it to be worth it?
[2016-03-03 15:43:27] sleger : that question doesnt really make sense
[2016-03-03 15:43:41] sleger : 1$ is not the same for everyone
[2016-03-03 15:43:42] elmorte : First part does
[2016-03-03 15:45:51] cryptostephen : well to make 0.5% on 1 btc is pretty pointless
[2016-03-03 15:46:12] cryptostephen : dump into daily roll
[2016-03-03 15:47:06] sleger : cryptostephen: see what i said above
[2016-03-03 15:47:08] Mangalica : that's daily interest
[2016-03-03 15:47:17] trestres : cryptostephen: 0.5 per 20 days is 10%
[2016-03-03 15:47:27] sleger : some people trade 1 lot here, maybe that's pointless for me, but probably not for them
[2016-03-03 15:48:23] cryptostephen : ok well 10% is pretty good. if I'm lending 10 btc i can make 1 in 20 days
[2016-03-03 15:48:24] cryptostephen : not bad at all
[2016-03-03 15:48:31] cryptostephen : i should try it sometime. is there any risk at all?
[2016-03-03 15:48:33] sleger : except you cant
[2016-03-03 15:48:41] sleger : and yes there is risk
[2016-03-03 15:48:57] Mangalica : yes, in case borrowers get liquidated in the red you take a haircut
[2016-03-03 15:49:14] Mangalica : there is also the risk of a Goxing
[2016-03-03 15:49:16] donkey : polorisk
[2016-03-03 15:49:24] cryptostephen : Mangalica: what kind of haircut
[2016-03-03 15:49:49] sleger : the kind where you dont look better after it's done
[2016-03-03 15:50:00] habibi : Mangalica: they do just market orders liqs? or some kind of managing it in case of fe 50% crash by big sell off?
[2016-03-03 15:50:09] Mangalica : idk, depends on the losses of the traders
[2016-03-03 15:50:33] Mangalica : i dot know habibi, i don't think they have an algo like Bfx
[2016-03-03 15:50:45] cryptostephen : explain the difference between cross margin and isolated real quick
[2016-03-03 15:51:01] Mangalica : cross - your whole account isolated- the position
[2016-03-03 15:51:02] cryptostephen : basically, is it that cross margin gives you 100% profit in a $2.2 move and isolated does it in a $4.4 move?
[2016-03-03 15:51:14] cryptostephen : ok so what if I'm already using my entire balance in my position
[2016-03-03 15:51:33] habibi : cryptostephen: totally no, cross use ur whole account as maintaince, isolated use just 1/100th of position
[2016-03-03 15:51:38] habibi : so same about liquidation price
[2016-03-03 15:51:40] Teddy76 : cryptostephen: no for profit
[2016-03-03 15:51:43] sleger : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2016-03-03 15:51:54] donkey : cryptostephen: you get rekt
[2016-03-03 15:52:08] justinlooking : ^^
[2016-03-03 15:52:08] Teddy76 : just for exposition/risk
[2016-03-03 15:53:29] cryptostephen : so what is better, isolated or cross
[2016-03-03 15:53:31] cryptostephen : for YOLOing
[2016-03-03 15:53:41] habibi : for me always cross is better
[2016-03-03 15:54:08] habibi : if u see massive fomo up on finex and u have still discount u can go isolated, but still its risky as hell
[2016-03-03 15:54:20] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.02125
[2016-03-03 15:56:32] habibi : isolated- u get rekt at 0.5% counter move from ur entry, cross u cant still get out theoretically within 1% change of ur entry with lower loss
[2016-03-03 15:56:42] habibi : can*
[2016-03-03 15:58:50] donkey : yolo with 100% account makes no difference right?
[2016-03-03 15:59:08] sleger : of course
[2016-03-03 16:00:18] cryptostephen : so isolated liquidates you with -50% move against you, cross can go how far against u before liquidation?
[2016-03-03 16:00:50] sleger : no
[2016-03-03 16:01:19] cryptostephen : damn sorry ELI5
[2016-03-03 16:01:25] cryptostephen : cause I'm dumb
[2016-03-03 16:01:28] sleger : yes
[2016-03-03 16:02:07] sleger : they already explained you everything very clearly
[2016-03-03 16:07:30] Mangalica : https://www.bitmex.com/app/isolatedMargin
[2016-03-03 16:07:33] Mangalica : try this
[2016-03-03 16:38:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 1010 @ 420.67
[2016-03-03 16:45:10] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.02251
[2016-03-03 16:56:47] okaycn : 有改―没有说中文府一的
[2016-03-03 17:00:49] sleger : okaycn: t'as pas completememt tort
[2016-03-03 17:02:14] habibi : okaycn: 你们中国是我的英语那么糟糕
[2016-03-03 17:19:46] Teddy76 : sleger: tu es français?
[2016-03-03 17:22:51] jesperf : impossible, his english is too good
[2016-03-03 17:24:06] jesperf : by the way, guess I should have told you all when I went long on ETH
[2016-03-03 17:24:17] sleger : Teddy76: oui
[2016-03-03 17:24:19] jesperf : but it's pretty apparent on the charts when I did ;)
[2016-03-03 17:25:25] sleger : jesperf: french people speak better english than british speak french ;)
[2016-03-03 17:26:01] jesperf : sleger: you can't deny that most of your countrymen refuse to speak english :P
[2016-03-03 17:26:47] sleger : they can, but yes they choose not to
[2016-03-03 17:26:48] jesperf : and you're probably pretty darned right
[2016-03-03 17:31:15] splash : looks i was right about thius not being The eth crash
[2016-03-03 17:31:27] splash : its soonish though
[2016-03-03 17:32:00] Teddy76 : je me doutais des trolls qu'allaient suivre ;)
[2016-03-03 18:36:00] justinlooking : 412 or 432?
[2016-03-03 18:36:24] habibi : 415
[2016-03-03 18:47:16] gartan : how do i switch from isolate margin
[2016-03-03 18:47:16] gartan : ?
[2016-03-03 18:48:08] habibi : anything beside **cross** is isolated
[2016-03-03 18:49:26] gartan : cross?
[2016-03-03 18:52:33] habibi : just use that slider under order options
[2016-03-03 18:53:55] gartan : so i cant do non-isolated margin at 100x?
[2016-03-03 18:54:05] justinlooking : eth up 1000% in 2 months. ru kidding me
[2016-03-03 18:55:14] habibi : gartan: yes u can, just use ur whole wallet to cover position.
[2016-03-03 18:55:46] gartan : do i have to do it manually ?
[2016-03-03 18:56:24] habibi : u need to read about trading here, otherwise u will get burnt very quicly
[2016-03-03 18:56:32] habibi : https://www.bitmex.com/app/faq
[2016-03-03 19:21:16] gartan : I used to know but then the UI changed, there used to be a box to check
[2016-03-03 19:26:07] j8 : gartan: now you put the leverage slider to Cross, instead of unchecking the box.
[2016-03-03 19:27:15] gartan : when its on cross my leverage is .26 though
[2016-03-03 19:27:35] j8 : on cross it just depends on how big your position is relative to your account
[2016-03-03 19:28:14] j8 : to go 100x cross you'd have to have a gross value 100 times your deposit
[2016-03-03 19:42:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 2100 @ 418.60
[2016-03-03 20:13:31] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 3 @ 0.02330 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-03 21:29:30] rapidtrades : i slept 4 hrs ...its gonna be a hell of a night
[2016-03-03 21:48:36] rapidtrades : pretty ridiculous how they keep bidding up the Euro...risk off buy Euro, risk on, buy some more Euros
[2016-03-03 21:49:33] rapidtrades : what's not to like about a currency with structural problems and negative interest rates?
[2016-03-03 21:50:26] rapidtrades : the Euro is the etherium of fiat, shitcoin bid up by idiots
[2016-03-03 22:02:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 255 @ 421.80
[2016-03-04 00:06:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.02157 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-04 00:07:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.02142
[2016-03-04 00:08:37] rapidtrades : die u shitcoin die
[2016-03-04 00:16:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.02132
[2016-03-04 00:42:01] gustavo7 : nice swing range
[2016-03-04 00:42:46] rapidtrades : gustavo7: for the shitcoin?
[2016-03-04 00:42:57] gustavo7 : yep
[2016-03-04 00:43:28] rapidtrades : well yeah...100% is always a nice range
[2016-03-04 02:08:32] rapidtrades : is finex a laggy piece of shit for anyone else
[2016-03-04 02:08:36] rapidtrades : or just me
[2016-03-04 02:54:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 225 @ 0.02096
[2016-03-04 03:17:31] AudibleScience : hey are you here Sam?
[2016-03-04 03:21:14] AudibleScience : I think you did something to the css and now the "x" to cancel the order from the orderbook is moving onto the next line and messing up the whole table alignment...
[2016-03-04 03:21:47] AudibleScience : on small screen resolutions...
[2016-03-04 07:42:28] rapidtrades : AudibleScience: smae, reported problem few days ago
[2016-03-04 07:51:02] BitMEX_Wally : AudibleScience: Noted, we will fix
[2016-03-04 07:57:09] XBT_Saver : then we will thank thee...
[2016-03-04 08:03:49] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Wally: thanks for mending that!
[2016-03-04 08:49:14] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 237 @ 420.74
[2016-03-04 08:49:26] tscha : and it begins <3
[2016-03-04 08:49:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 420.27 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-04 08:49:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 15 @ 420.06
[2016-03-04 08:55:10] aethlios : anyone to hit my 60.000???
[2016-03-04 09:31:14] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 500 @ 419.51
[2016-03-04 10:10:33] habibi : tscha: what did begin?
[2016-03-04 10:17:59] tscha : nothing :(
[2016-03-04 10:29:03] habibi : 9:49 ah downmoon was about to start but engines failed
[2016-03-04 10:30:19] Mangalica : ETH spread is ridiculous
[2016-03-04 10:33:29] habibi : mm bot goes out 2 hour before settlement or sth around
[2016-03-04 10:34:50] Mangalica : yeah that must be it
[2016-03-04 10:36:06] gustavo7 : is XBU withdrawable any day?
[2016-03-04 10:45:56] habibi : u can't withdraw contracts
[2016-03-04 10:46:38] BitMEX_Sam : I think what he means is profit on XBU
[2016-03-04 10:46:46] tscha : gustavo7: they get settled weekly, but usually, a portion of your withheld profit will be unlocked after each session
[2016-03-04 10:46:50] BitMEX_Sam : And yes, it can be withdrawn at any time, XBU isn't a DPE contract (we guarantee settlement)
[2016-03-04 10:47:01] tscha : oh yeah
[2016-03-04 10:47:10] tscha : totally forgot, xbu not xbt7, sorry gustavo7
[2016-03-04 10:51:44] gustavo7 : thanks, that's how i remembered so it's cool
[2016-03-04 11:12:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 11 @ 0.02149
[2016-03-04 11:17:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2 @ 418.05 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-04 11:22:55] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 440 @ 417.02
[2016-03-04 11:48:58] rapidtrades : good morning fellas
[2016-03-04 11:49:57] j8 : what up dude
[2016-03-04 11:50:56] rapidtrades : a slow grind lower for some reason
[2016-03-04 11:57:40] XBT_Saver : why is the eth index frozen?
[2016-03-04 11:57:55] BitMEX_Arthur : It's settlement
[2016-03-04 11:58:00] BitMEX_Arthur : In 3 minutes
[2016-03-04 11:59:39] XBT_Saver : I thought that was what the twap was for...
[2016-03-04 12:00:02] XBT_Saver : don't understand how the mark price is frozen though?
[2016-03-04 12:02:06] XBT_Saver : and now it jumped back up in sync with the index... is it supposed to do that?
[2016-03-04 12:02:10] habibi : thanks 1200 order guy for free 0.6 btc
[2016-03-04 12:02:55] rapidtrades : habibi: ?
[2016-03-04 12:03:39] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/t75xd
[2016-03-04 12:04:00] rapidtrades : wtf is scr.hu
[2016-03-04 12:04:06] habibi : screener service
[2016-03-04 12:04:38] rapidtrades : where did u find 0.6 btc
[2016-03-04 12:05:02] habibi : 0.8 actually, there
[2016-03-04 12:05:28] tscha : manual marketmaking like a baws
[2016-03-04 12:05:36] rapidtrades : dam this reversal is pretty strong