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[2016-03-01 23:17:45] sleger : j8: yes but my point was that any rule that can be circumvented is a bad rule, and this one can (via new account with small margin)
[2016-03-01 23:19:02] rapidtrades : sleger: the advantage to doing that is rather small. leverage for those contarcts is 5/1
[2016-03-01 23:19:34] rapidtrades : prices have to crash over $100 before using isolate margin makes sense
[2016-03-01 23:20:03] rapidtrades : or $80..or whatever
[2016-03-01 23:20:09] habibi : rapidtrades: they still won't as there is downsize limit on xbu
[2016-03-01 23:20:56] rapidtrades : no i mean his suggestion that one could circumvent the rules is purely academic
[2016-03-01 23:21:55] rapidtrades : no practical use
[2016-03-01 23:24:31] sleger : then why not allowing people to isolate
[2016-03-01 23:24:47] sleger : its just one of these things that make look bad / cheap
[2016-03-01 23:26:20] rapidtrades : guess they want the entire account to be subject to clawback if needed
[2016-03-01 23:26:32] rapidtrades : well not clawback but u know what i mean :)
[2016-03-01 23:28:43] rapidtrades : using a separate account for the weekly is not the worse idea, especially since liquidations over there are on market
[2016-03-01 23:29:17] rapidtrades : in theory an idiot could fat finger that shit
[2016-03-01 23:29:59] rapidtrades : although it would still take a really big move to get marginned with 5:1, even if ur using the max
[2016-03-01 23:35:07] BitMEX_Greg : Hey guys, just wanted to respond to the 'lack' of support on the trollbox here recently. Sam, Wally and Arthur are all in Asia right now so I am the only one covering the US timezone and unfortunately I don't have the questions to most of your answers. If any of you have an urgent support issue then I suggest to raise a ticket and I can assign it the respective team member. You should find Sam and Wall or Arthur back on the chat when Asia opens. Cheers
[2016-03-01 23:37:52] habibi : BitMEX_Greg: are u child as well?
[2016-03-01 23:39:21] tscha : Iitecamel == fyrstikken?
[2016-03-02 00:06:01] micmix : habibi: I'm just a trader here, same as you. I don't have any special access to the BitMEX guys. I thought Sam and Wally took a break, they've been working really hard last couple months. Sam was here for 14+ hours
[2016-03-02 00:11:07] gustavo7 : lol just saw a fyrstikken tweet promoting a bitcoin gambling site
[2016-03-02 00:11:55] gustavo7 : same site as adamguerbez did yesterday
[2016-03-02 00:49:11] rapidtrades : bull or bear fellas? next 24 hrs?
[2016-03-02 00:55:30] micmix : rapidtrades: top 10 okc positions not that large and stable around 35k for the past few day. I'd say no big moves until settlement
[2016-03-02 00:55:47] zanza : BitMEX_Greg: where do babies come from ?
[2016-03-02 00:56:59] BitMEX_Greg : zanza: might need to raise a support ticket for that one
[2016-03-02 00:57:28] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1000 @ 434.52
[2016-03-02 00:57:34] sleger : zanza: why are you asking mommy, that's a question for daddy
[2016-03-02 00:59:36] rapidtrades : yeah I haven't seen daddy Arthur around lately
[2016-03-02 01:00:10] rapidtrades : prolly out with Ms. Cheng again
[2016-03-02 01:00:28] habibi : ms Cheng name reminds me guy from Hangover movie
[2016-03-02 01:00:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 411 @ 435.06
[2016-03-02 01:01:01] rapidtrades : finex 436
[2016-03-02 01:01:06] rapidtrades : this could be the night fellas!
[2016-03-02 01:01:23] rapidtrades : although I've been saying that every night this past week
[2016-03-02 01:02:23] rapidtrades : the next amercian election will be such a joke....Trump vs Clinton lol
[2016-03-02 01:02:46] jung1 : Trump vs goldman sachs
[2016-03-02 01:02:56] rapidtrades : deep, yo
[2016-03-02 01:16:43] BitMEX_Sam : BTCVIX: micmix: https://www.bitmex.com/app/insuranceHistory
[2016-03-02 01:16:58] BitMEX_Sam : That has been live for a day now, we've just been busy and haven't announced it
[2016-03-02 01:17:08] BitMEX_Sam : The liquidation websocket is also already live.
[2016-03-02 01:17:28] rapidtrades : 6 btc...where's the rest?
[2016-03-02 01:18:06] BitMEX_Sam : As for us not being around much, it's exactly as Greg said, we're out of town and taking a much-needed break. I made nearly a thousand commits last week. There were an incredible number of under-the-hood changes that made the new UI possible and paves the way for tons of new features
[2016-03-02 01:18:34] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: We use the fund, that's how we've traded 100x without DPE for months
[2016-03-02 01:18:47] rapidtrades : okay
[2016-03-02 01:30:08] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: thanks Sam, very nice! yeah, I thought so, you guys have been working really hard. we appreciate all your hard work even though some ppl only post to complain ;-)
[2016-03-02 01:30:54] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks micmix
[2016-03-02 01:30:55] rapidtrades : micmix: hard work is pointless for its own sake
[2016-03-02 01:31:40] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: If you took the time to understand our reasoning and you had an understanding of what underlies a project of this nature, you would have a different opinion.
[2016-03-02 01:32:11] rapidtrades : there's widespread agreement that the new UI is a mistake...we'll never get used to it, it doesn't make sense
[2016-03-02 01:32:32] micmix : rapidtrades: you don't like new order types, hidden orders etc? I understand that new UI is controversial but everything else is very useful
[2016-03-02 01:32:33] BitMEX_Sam : If by widespread you mean mostly you, and 3-4 users, yes, there is some resistance
[2016-03-02 01:32:43] rapidtrades : doesn't look like any other trading interface
[2016-03-02 01:32:51] BitMEX_Sam : But there are many others who like it, and regardless, it's not changing back because it is part one of a series of major changes that greatly enhance the utility of the site
[2016-03-02 01:33:06] BitMEX_Sam : It's actually very similar in style to Coinbase and Quoine's controls
[2016-03-02 01:33:17] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: noone trades on coinbase here
[2016-03-02 01:33:40] BitMEX_Sam : First of all, you have no way of knowing that, and second, that's not at all the point, you said that no other interface uses this style and that's simply not true
[2016-03-02 01:33:56] rapidtrades : no exchange that matters
[2016-03-02 01:34:15] rapidtrades : controls have to be centered
[2016-03-02 01:35:43] rapidtrades : it's not accurate to say only 3-4 ppl hate it, the vast majority of posters in chat don't like it....guess u could make a case that there's a silent majority that doesn't come here
[2016-03-02 01:35:46] rapidtrades : but I doubt that's the case
[2016-03-02 01:36:27] BitMEX_Sam : It's not changing - we are going to add much more customization to the main pane but the order controls are staying in the sidebar
[2016-03-02 01:36:41] rapidtrades : that's fine
[2016-03-02 01:36:48] BitMEX_Sam : If you have an issue with it, I'm sorry, but that's the direction we've chosen so you can either get used to it or move on
[2016-03-02 01:36:52] rapidtrades : ppl complain about things that never change all the time
[2016-03-02 01:37:25] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: so historical data and past liqs will be shown as well right :)?
[2016-03-02 01:37:28] zanza : new UI is great
[2016-03-02 01:37:46] zanza : what don't you like about it rapidtrades?
[2016-03-02 01:37:53] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: For now the style of liquidations has not changed, only live liquidations are shown through to HTTP call
[2016-03-02 01:37:58] rapidtrades : zanza: lol
[2016-03-02 01:38:00] BitMEX_Sam : And of course the websocket simply shows data as it happens
[2016-03-02 01:38:31] habibi : thats not the anserw actually, dont treat us as child :(
[2016-03-02 01:38:42] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: how do I switch particular position to isolated margin? just move the slider from cross?
[2016-03-02 01:38:50] sleger : yep
[2016-03-02 01:39:36] micmix : oh wow, there is no confirmation
[2016-03-02 01:39:45] rapidtrades : oh wow
[2016-03-02 01:39:45] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: If you make things movable in the window, why not the buy sell too ? I agree it s better in the center, thats where my mouse hovers is most of the time and I want to click on buy sell without having to go to a corner
[2016-03-02 01:40:06] sleger : micmix: try it on iphone, I almost margin called myself twice by mistake
[2016-03-02 01:40:08] rapidtrades : sleger: its not changing kiddo, move on
[2016-03-02 01:40:49] micmix : sleger: I'll stick with the button on my own dashboard, thanks :-)
[2016-03-02 01:41:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 98 @ 0.01724
[2016-03-02 01:42:51] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: so any chance for full historical data of liqs and insurance balance?
[2016-03-02 01:45:24] habibi : eh f()ck it
[2016-03-02 01:50:24] BTCVIX : BitMEX_Sam: nice job on publishing the Insurance Fund data
[2016-03-02 01:53:18] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: How is that not exactly the answer you were looking for?
[2016-03-02 01:53:31] habibi : yes/no?
[2016-03-02 01:53:38] BitMEX_Sam : I said it has not changed
[2016-03-02 01:53:42] BitMEX_Sam : which means no, there is not historical data
[2016-03-02 01:53:55] BitMEX_Sam : And the websocket shows inserts, updates, and deletes as they happen
[2016-03-02 01:54:57] habibi : k
[2016-03-02 02:03:38] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTM16`: Buy 1 @ 537.14 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-02 02:25:21] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: any change to add withable balance as it used to be in old ui next to total balance on basic ui?
[2016-03-02 03:03:41] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Yeah, I can put that back in - we were going for simplicity but I see how it could be useful
[2016-03-02 03:11:17] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Note you can also see that number in the order controls below Order Value
[2016-03-02 05:49:19] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 1 @ 432.98 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-02 05:50:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 164 @ 432.52
[2016-03-02 08:11:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 500 @ 523.80
[2016-03-02 08:36:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2241 @ 431.54
[2016-03-02 08:40:15] rapidtrades : well good f*Cking morning fellas
[2016-03-02 08:44:40] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: smone is spamming the orderbook of 48h with 1s past few days
[2016-03-02 10:05:22] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Will keep an eye on it
[2016-03-02 10:30:55] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: a weird bug on 48h
[2016-03-02 10:31:10] rapidtrades : do u see that 1001 bid distorting the orderbbook?
[2016-03-02 10:31:22] BitMEX_Sam : No distortion
[2016-03-02 10:31:35] BitMEX_Sam : Could you take a screenshot?
[2016-03-02 10:31:38] rapidtrades : is it cos its mine
[2016-03-02 10:31:58] rapidtrades : like it takes up 2x the normal space
[2016-03-02 10:33:08] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Basic or Advanced?
[2016-03-02 10:33:13] rapidtrades : basic
[2016-03-02 10:33:21] elmorte : Looks fine here
[2016-03-02 10:33:42] BitMEX_Sam : You might be seeing the red `x` that cancels the level
[2016-03-02 10:34:03] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: What's the significance of bold orders?
[2016-03-02 10:34:10] rapidtrades : they're big
[2016-03-02 10:34:42] elmorte : They're equal to a lot of normal font orders
[2016-03-02 10:34:52] elmorte : 23 is big?
[2016-03-02 10:34:52] rapidtrades : idk
[2016-03-02 10:35:09] rapidtrades : could be if we're talking about penis size
[2016-03-02 10:35:16] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: The top level is bolded
[2016-03-02 10:35:33] HirschArny : eth to da moon
[2016-03-02 10:35:54] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Otherwise, you might be seeing your own orders
[2016-03-02 10:37:02] elmorte : No, not my own...it's the highest bid and 1st and 5th ask. So it's purely aesthetic?
[2016-03-02 10:37:17] rapidtrades : looks like it yes
[2016-03-02 10:38:09] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: That's just the BBO
[2016-03-02 10:38:11] BitMEX_Sam : Best bid/offer
[2016-03-02 10:38:21] BitMEX_Sam : Purely aesthetic to show you what the best prices are
[2016-03-02 10:38:38] BitMEX_Sam : By the way, some customization changes coming up in Testnet
[2016-03-02 10:38:45] BitMEX_Sam : https://testnet.bitmex.com/app/trade/XBT24H
[2016-03-02 10:38:52] BitMEX_Sam : In the advanced UI you can now move/resize widgets
[2016-03-02 10:39:34] elmorte : Cool, cheers
[2016-03-02 10:39:48] elmorte : How long you in HK for?
[2016-03-02 11:18:47] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: You can hire me as support on trollbox
[2016-03-02 11:26:45] habibi : kid won't be good support for other kids
[2016-03-02 11:27:01] habibi : kurde dalej paczka mi nie przyszła :(
[2016-03-02 11:27:23] habibi : ile Ci szły paczki od vendorów z eu?
[2016-03-02 11:27:27] jung1 : uwazaj sobie młody człowieku
[2016-03-02 11:27:59] habibi : jung1: ? używam tylko słóów Athura starcze
[2016-03-02 11:28:17] jung1 : a co to za afera tam byla
[2016-03-02 11:28:22] jung1 : bo w sumie nie śledziłem
[2016-03-02 11:28:24] habibi : a przeczytałeś?
[2016-03-02 11:28:31] jung1 : tam jednego screena jakiegos
[2016-03-02 11:28:36] jung1 : ale sie nie zgłębiałem
[2016-03-02 11:29:23] habibi : no to tyle :), Artur użył zdjęcia fyrrs w swoim newsleterze bez pytania o zgodę, potem ta rozmowa z nim, i jego stosunek do klientów możesz tam wyczytać
[2016-03-02 11:31:01] jung1 : pojebało sie od hajsu
[2016-03-02 11:31:02] jung1 : hehe
[2016-03-02 11:31:35] habibi : kurwa zagadalem sie i wyszlo mi jajko sadzone na twardo :D
[2016-03-02 11:35:07] jung1 : chrupkie
[2016-03-02 11:35:15] jung1 : ja ostatnio kupiłem sobie taką patelnie
[2016-03-02 11:35:19] jung1 : na 4 jajka
[2016-03-02 11:35:42] jung1 : takie okrągłe zagłębienia są gdzie wbijasz jajko i sie robi taki burger
[2016-03-02 11:35:44] jung1 : zajebiste
[2016-03-02 11:35:48] jung1 : idealna na kanapeczke
[2016-03-02 11:35:54] habibi : coś kojarze :)
[2016-03-02 11:40:34] jung1 : uruchomiłem lending bota na polo
[2016-03-02 11:40:48] jung1 : niech tam eth pracują
[2016-03-02 11:40:51] jung1 : sobie ładnie
[2016-03-02 11:51:56] jung1 : damn eth
[2016-03-02 11:52:01] jung1 : everyday same scenerio
[2016-03-02 11:52:03] jung1 : love it
[2016-03-02 11:52:05] jung1 : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-03-02 11:52:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 180 @ 0.01819
[2016-03-02 11:52:15] chromaticcr : where are the settlement excitement
[2016-03-02 11:52:17] chromaticcr : lol
[2016-03-02 11:53:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 10 @ 0.01838
[2016-03-02 11:57:47] jesperf : if i had a hat i'd buy a new hat and eat them both
[2016-03-02 11:57:52] jesperf : never imagined eth to shoot up this far
[2016-03-02 11:58:27] jung1 : get use to it
[2016-03-02 11:58:48] jung1 : you will see what will happen when all these dapps will be published
[2016-03-02 11:59:05] jung1 : eth is like shares of new internet
[2016-03-02 12:05:02] jung1 : long live meth
[2016-03-02 12:07:17] jesperf : well if i go long here instead you can bet it will go down ;)
[2016-03-02 12:13:20] jung1 : 6k sell wall on polo
[2016-03-02 12:14:03] jung1 : 10k
[2016-03-02 12:15:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2000 @ 430.22
[2016-03-02 12:15:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 49 @ 430.68
[2016-03-02 12:15:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 9 @ 430.56
[2016-03-02 12:15:43] tscha : whoo <3
[2016-03-02 12:19:48] jung1 : 12k
[2016-03-02 12:31:52] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-03-02 12:31:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 20 @ 0.01907
[2016-03-02 12:31:52] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.01904
[2016-03-02 12:32:33] jung1 : damn
[2016-03-02 12:33:52] jesperf : ok, i'm out of my stupid short
[2016-03-02 12:33:59] habibi : 2000 was ur?
[2016-03-02 12:33:59] jesperf : held on to that for stupidly long
[2016-03-02 12:34:01] jesperf : ya
[2016-03-02 12:34:08] habibi : opened little short on it
[2016-03-02 12:34:37] jesperf : i went short at 0.015. right after i closed it shot up like a rocket
[2016-03-02 12:35:10] jung1 : so next tima share your trading ideas
[2016-03-02 12:35:18] jung1 : we will play against
[2016-03-02 12:35:22] jung1 : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[2016-03-02 12:35:24] jesperf : that's the problem
[2016-03-02 12:37:19] jung1 : sometimes you lose, sometime you win
[2016-03-02 12:37:36] jung1 : loss is like fuel for profit
[2016-03-02 12:37:37] jesperf : yeah at least I'm still in the green by not holding out to liquidation
[2016-03-02 12:38:00] habibi : where did u hold that short from?
[2016-03-02 12:38:13] jesperf : from the flatline at 0.015
[2016-03-02 12:38:43] habibi : oh pretty bad loss
[2016-03-02 12:38:47] jung1 : how many %?
[2016-03-02 12:39:04] habibi : u should closed it on breakout 0.0155
[2016-03-02 12:39:31] jung1 : or today at 0.02
[2016-03-02 12:39:40] jesperf : I've regretted changing my mind before
[2016-03-02 12:40:13] jesperf : I got a nice profit from 0.008 up to 0.014 in the last rally
[2016-03-02 12:42:48] jung1 : crazy
[2016-03-02 12:43:37] jung1 : noone is selling eth
[2016-03-02 12:47:40] jung1 : you know that everyone who bought 2k eth for 1btc in presale now have around 40btc?
[2016-03-02 12:48:12] jesperf : I think it's a huge build up for a huge crash sooner or later
[2016-03-02 12:48:17] jesperf : it's going too fast
[2016-03-02 12:48:24] jung1 : thats for shure
[2016-03-02 12:48:43] jung1 : but whole eth ecosystem have alot of space to grow imo
[2016-03-02 12:49:05] habibi : yep, eth1 eth2, clone of exp1 clone of eth3 :D
[2016-03-02 12:49:51] jung1 : bitcoin is hipster technology and ether? noone know it
[2016-03-02 12:50:12] jung1 : habibi: yeah but all of them could be made on ethereum
[2016-03-02 12:50:26] habibi : and on microsoft chain as well right?
[2016-03-02 12:50:51] jung1 : why not
[2016-03-02 12:51:07] habibi : so actually no real value
[2016-03-02 12:51:16] jung1 : ?
[2016-03-02 12:51:26] jung1 : its like bricks
[2016-03-02 12:51:54] jung1 : you cant look at this as a currency
[2016-03-02 12:52:08] jesperf : people sure as hell shouldn't pay $10 per brick
[2016-03-02 12:52:21] jung1 : its more like you are buying IP addresses in the beggining of internet
[2016-03-02 12:52:34] habibi : ?
[2016-03-02 12:53:11] jung1 : you are buing shares of whole net network
[2016-03-02 12:56:07] jung1 : oh
[2016-03-02 12:56:10] jung1 : another exp pump
[2016-03-02 12:58:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1024 @ 431.54
[2016-03-02 13:11:58] sleger : micmix: I had some issues with new fix api so emailed support and FYI their response is "I just got the reply from our API team, they just told me that we are activate the future trade for FIX API for a few days and it is not stable for the time being."
[2016-03-02 15:20:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 2000 @ 429.74
[2016-03-02 15:46:55] jung1 : any info about bitmex mobile app? Its quite annoying to log in everytime
[2016-03-02 15:48:32] donkey : bitmex mobile app would be great!
[2016-03-02 15:48:48] rapidtrades : jung1: they worked sooooo hard on the new UI so didn't have time for it
[2016-03-02 15:49:24] donkey : thats alot of hard work for just some UI 8-)
[2016-03-02 15:49:30] rapidtrades : eth 1.0197 REALLY
[2016-03-02 15:49:45] rapidtrades : 0.0197
[2016-03-02 15:49:52] gielbier : insane
[2016-03-02 15:49:56] rapidtrades : really...how stupid are these ppl man
[2016-03-02 15:50:06] habibi : everyone is shocked rapidtrades :)
[2016-03-02 15:50:43] rapidtrades : i have no idea where to short this thing
[2016-03-02 15:50:53] jung1 : just dont
[2016-03-02 15:51:05] Teddy76 : eth = 10% of BTC market cap now
[2016-03-02 15:51:18] rapidtrades : that's insane
[2016-03-02 15:51:26] Teddy76 : all ETH shorters are dead, don't do that
[2016-03-02 15:51:29] rapidtrades : 600 mil?
[2016-03-02 15:51:31] rapidtrades : cmon
[2016-03-02 15:51:38] rapidtrades : 600 million for a shitcoin?
[2016-03-02 15:51:44] Teddy76 : lol
[2016-03-02 15:51:45] donkey : 15x ETH.. 200% profit on my position from 7 hours ago i like i like
[2016-03-02 15:51:53] Teddy76 : not shitcoin man
[2016-03-02 15:51:57] Teddy76 : DYOR
[2016-03-02 15:52:01] rapidtrades : ok spamcoin
[2016-03-02 15:52:09] Teddy76 : why?
[2016-03-02 15:52:27] rapidtrades : cause they sent a ton of spam right before they started pumping
[2016-03-02 15:52:38] rapidtrades : classic pump&dump scheme
[2016-03-02 15:52:50] rapidtrades : i got like 3 seperate redddit pms
[2016-03-02 15:53:09] Teddy76 : pump&dump scheme is crypto-related
[2016-03-02 15:53:12] jung1 : wait in 2 weeks from now
[2016-03-02 15:53:18] donkey : you tellin me they try to manipulate a altcoin???? no waaaay!!
[2016-03-02 15:53:20] jung1 : to short
[2016-03-02 15:55:20] rapidtrades : i should short this shit and use the monies to buy a new UI
[2016-03-02 15:55:54] rapidtrades : I'll get some ruskies together and be like ''code me a new browser b1tches''
[2016-03-02 15:59:05] rapidtrades : really looks like whenever eth goes up btc goes down
[2016-03-02 15:59:16] rapidtrades : maybe devs using their btc stash to pump
[2016-03-02 15:59:34] jung1 : just buy and wait till 1btc=1rth
[2016-03-02 15:59:37] jung1 : hehe
[2016-03-02 15:59:55] rapidtrades : that's impossible...well highly unlikely
[2016-03-02 16:00:03] jung1 : you dont know
[2016-03-02 16:00:11] jung1 : maybe btc will fall in couple of years
[2016-03-02 16:00:24] jung1 : or polo will pump it like mtgox
[2016-03-02 16:00:28] rapidtrades : ur right, anything's possible in finance
[2016-03-02 16:00:46] habibi : only problem is that u have less btc than eth
[2016-03-02 16:00:47] rapidtrades : so highly unlikely...like 99% against
[2016-03-02 16:00:53] jung1 : one thing is shure: will be fun
[2016-03-02 16:01:42] rapidtrades : are we at $10 yet
[2016-03-02 16:02:04] rapidtrades : $8.38
[2016-03-02 16:02:14] jung1 : in that tempo
[2016-03-02 16:02:16] sleger : " really looks like whenever eth goes up btc goes down" that's because you're looking at eth/BTC price @rapidtrades
[2016-03-02 16:02:18] jung1 : tommorow will be 10
[2016-03-02 16:02:29] jung1 : yeah
[2016-03-02 16:02:34] jung1 : eth dont give a shit about btc
[2016-03-02 16:02:35] rapidtrades : sleger: well eth has been up in general too
[2016-03-02 16:02:54] jung1 : and in time will be even more independent
[2016-03-02 16:02:56] rapidtrades : the eth moves are proportionally much larger
[2016-03-02 16:03:24] rapidtrades : devs dip into their stash, sell some btc, we fell shitcoin rallies...then we go back up
[2016-03-02 16:03:41] jung1 : couse people learn about biubbkles from btc
[2016-03-02 16:03:45] jung1 : and know how to act
[2016-03-02 16:03:54] jung1 : just wait till fresh blood will came to eth
[2016-03-02 16:03:56] rapidtrades : what's a biubbkles
[2016-03-02 16:04:20] jung1 : bubble
[2016-03-02 16:04:25] jung1 : sorry im on phone
[2016-03-02 16:04:33] habibi : eth used to fall when btc was spiking, but MMs at some point taught people that they not allows for doom when btc goes up, so people now buying when btc goes up or down :p
[2016-03-02 16:05:22] rapidtrades : yeah smth fishy is up with eth...how much BTC did u say they have @habibi
[2016-03-02 16:05:25] jung1 : you will see that maybe in one year eth price will be quite independent from btc
[2016-03-02 16:05:46] rapidtrades : never gonna happen, all coins follow btc to some degree
[2016-03-02 16:05:52] habibi : jung1: year from now we will have eth 2.0
[2016-03-02 16:05:55] sleger : yes when you're stuck at 0 you're quite independent indeed
[2016-03-02 16:05:58] habibi : and then sth 3.0
[2016-03-02 16:06:02] jung1 : it will be huge pump till release of stable version
[2016-03-02 16:06:05] jung1 : then dump
[2016-03-02 16:06:15] jung1 : with blood of virgins
[2016-03-02 16:06:25] jung1 : but build on this eth
[2016-03-02 16:06:40] jung1 : will be a lot of dapps
[2016-03-02 16:07:37] habibi : rapidtrades: i dont know how much btc they have, just i know that 60% of presale coins werent moved at all, and 3-4 days ago few milions hit poloniex/kraken
[2016-03-02 16:08:18] habibi : in txs from 100k to 1.3milion
[2016-03-02 16:08:55] jung1 : you know that one year from now you could buy 2000eth for 1btc in presale?
[2016-03-02 16:09:12] jung1 : like 80% of that wallet was not open since then
[2016-03-02 16:09:18] habibi : thats the presale i am talking about
[2016-03-02 16:09:25] habibi : i told u 60% not 80%
[2016-03-02 16:09:27] habibi : lel
[2016-03-02 16:10:05] jung1 : +1
[2016-03-02 16:10:14] rapidtrades : so they're getting ready to sell
[2016-03-02 16:10:27] jung1 : I think they will wait like 5yrs
[2016-03-02 16:10:43] rapidtrades : then why move millions of coins now and spook the market
[2016-03-02 16:11:03] rapidtrades : they're selling and pumping the market so they can sell into/ tinfoil
[2016-03-02 16:11:12] jung1 : shure
[2016-03-02 16:11:27] jung1 : but look at these pumps in the start
[2016-03-02 16:11:35] jung1 : from 0.002 to 0.009
[2016-03-02 16:11:43] jung1 : then back to 0.0018
[2016-03-02 16:11:50] jung1 : whales bought a lot
[2016-03-02 16:11:56] jung1 : and now they play
[2016-03-02 16:12:05] jung1 : or some early miners
[2016-03-02 16:12:37] habibi : speaking of
[2016-03-02 16:12:37] habibi : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbFH7yUcAAx6pR.jpg
[2016-03-02 16:12:48] habibi : they made that rigs for eth start
[2016-03-02 16:13:11] jung1 : pfff
[2016-03-02 16:14:04] jung1 : so they already made already GDP of some small country
[2016-03-02 16:18:20] rapidtrades : everything about that coin smells of dishonesty
[2016-03-02 16:18:35] jung1 : why?
[2016-03-02 16:18:47] rapidtrades : premined, pre-sold, spammed, likely pumping
[2016-03-02 16:18:53] rapidtrades : also a russian made it
[2016-03-02 16:19:15] jung1 : russian made vodka also
[2016-03-02 16:19:34] rapidtrades : and vodka killed millions...
[2016-03-02 16:19:54] jung1 : but milions get a life couse of that
[2016-03-02 16:20:14] rapidtrades : how
[2016-03-02 16:20:40] jung1 : you never fucked while you drunk?
[2016-03-02 16:20:47] jung1 : *have sex
[2016-03-02 16:21:17] rapidtrades : ahahaha
[2016-03-02 16:22:01] rapidtrades : no I'm twelve and what's this
[2016-03-02 16:22:51] jung1 : so you can trade here
[2016-03-02 16:22:56] jung1 : cant
[2016-03-02 16:23:56] jung1 : quick send all your coins here 3BMEX8wPEEwd13UFcUcHupHaEXYnpBpD3R and delete account. I will not tell Sam
[2016-03-02 16:24:11] sleger : uncle Sam ?
[2016-03-02 16:24:28] habibi : how about father Casper?
[2016-03-02 16:24:44] rapidtrades : i need daddy to come back home and change my diapy diapy
[2016-03-02 16:25:42] rapidtrades : my daddy runs a semi-famous bitcoin exchange with shitty UI....DO YOU KNOW HIM?11
[2016-03-02 16:25:57] jung1 : just stom
[2016-03-02 16:26:00] jung1 : stop
[2016-03-02 16:27:58] rapidtrades : ok eth crashing, hopefully we go back up now
[2016-03-02 16:28:25] habibi : fugazi, its not crashin
[2016-03-02 16:28:45] rapidtrades : well it's down like 2.5%
[2016-03-02 16:29:10] habibi : https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/ethbtc/1m whole 1m chart looks like that
[2016-03-02 16:30:08] jung1 : habibi: my bet that we will reach 100$ in less than 2yrs is still actuall
[2016-03-02 16:30:16] habibi : jung1: dream on baby
[2016-03-02 16:30:28] jung1 : already hear that from you
[2016-03-02 16:30:29] jung1 : ;)
[2016-03-02 16:30:50] habibi : ok ok :) actually u said 1 year from that time but it doesnt change a lot :)
[2016-03-02 16:31:14] jung1 : could be as well
[2016-03-02 16:31:29] habibi : could be tomorrow as well in that terms :)
[2016-03-02 16:31:47] jung1 : I said that new ath will be in one week and it was
[2016-03-02 16:32:34] habibi : actually by the end of february, so u miss it by 2 days :)
[2016-03-02 16:32:39] habibi : 1 :)
[2016-03-02 16:32:49] jung1 : in $ it reached in saturady
[2016-03-02 16:33:17] habibi : yeah, u are kind of magician :)
[2016-03-02 16:33:26] jung1 : oh stop you
[2016-03-02 16:34:21] rapidtrades : we can't stop, we're children
[2016-03-02 16:34:29] rapidtrades : we need boundaries
[2016-03-02 16:36:35] habibi : imo dump inc before 0.02 but won't put moeny on that
[2016-03-02 16:36:51] jung1 : small one is possible
[2016-03-02 16:37:07] jung1 : but I bet that we are bullish a least two weeks more
[2016-03-02 16:42:13] cryptostephen : is Seychelles nice? I was going to vacation there
[2016-03-02 16:43:42] habibi : https://blog.bitmex.com/crypto-trader-digest-29-feb/ no more Casper, i see some fight inside bitmex team
[2016-03-02 16:51:32] arbitrage001 : anyone seen this?
[2016-03-02 16:51:34] arbitrage001 : http://www.fyrstikken.com/blog/arthur-haynes-of-bitmexcom-stole-my-photo-and-used-it-to-promote-a-questionable-futures-contract-that-he-made-himself
[2016-03-02 16:53:31] jung1 : meh
[2016-03-02 16:54:07] elmorte : Yeah, they were talking about it earlier
[2016-03-02 16:54:37] habibi : arbitrage001: nothing fancy, only interesing thing is that we finally found our dad
[2016-03-02 17:05:41] jung1 : https://www.newscientist.com/article/2079334-blockchain-based-microgrid-gives-power-to-consumers-in-new-york/
[2016-03-02 17:05:48] jung1 : we are new enron guys
[2016-03-02 17:05:50] jung1 : gratz
[2016-03-02 17:08:40] sleger : solar energy in new york, yeah ...
[2016-03-02 17:10:11] jung1 : first ever oil rig was made in Poland
[2016-03-02 17:11:27] habibi : yep they are finally selling a bit stash
[2016-03-02 17:55:27] Tulip_stefan : Anyone else having connection issues with btc-e since 1:00 last night??
[2016-03-02 17:56:21] Tulip_stefan : bot is working fine but my balance-query scripts suddendly give some obscure SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error. Still works fine at a different pc...
[2016-03-02 18:00:38] sleger : then you know its not btce
[2016-03-02 18:01:02] sleger : it's just a SSL error as it says in the name
[2016-03-02 18:01:24] Tulip_stefan : Yeah.. Probably old software. Coinorama also displays a flat line for btc-e
[2016-03-02 18:02:27] sleger : is that a corporate/university computer ?
[2016-03-02 18:02:33] sleger : OS / software ?
[2016-03-02 18:02:45] Tulip_stefan : coinorama?
[2016-03-02 18:03:14] sleger : no the computer who gives you the error
[2016-03-02 18:03:34] Tulip_stefan : My server, debian... newest stable.
[2016-03-02 18:04:19] Tulip_stefan : last week i had a similar issue with a different exchange, but it turned out i still had an ssl build from 2007 on my windows workstation. But my server should be up to date.
[2016-03-02 18:04:35] sleger : what software is throwing the error ? as in language used / library
[2016-03-02 18:04:47] Tulip_stefan : python 2.7
[2016-03-02 18:05:00] sleger : ah thats why
[2016-03-02 18:05:19] sleger : i assumed as much but thought you would never use python given how you talked about it
[2016-03-02 18:05:26] sleger : theres one way to solve this bug
[2016-03-02 18:05:32] Tulip_stefan : 'OpenSSL 1.0.1k 8 Jan 2015' it says... weird.
[2016-03-02 18:05:45] sleger : create a mini script that just does the query and run it with python3 then you can use your python2 again
[2016-03-02 18:06:23] sleger : and then just throw away all your python2 stuff and use python3, then you will be able to say you are up to date
[2016-03-02 18:08:19] Tulip_stefan : I use python for all my quick-n-dirt scripts, but i don't really like it as a language. It's well suited for this particular task, though.
[2016-03-02 18:09:44] Tulip_stefan : i rant about windows and crappy exchanges all the time too, but i still use that ;)
[2016-03-02 18:10:36] sleger : well looks like its where you make your money too...
[2016-03-02 18:11:18] sleger : selling btce when 3$ higher than bitfinex and buying back btce when 3$ lower than bitfinex would probably make the same % return than your strat, dont you think ?
[2016-03-02 18:11:57] Tulip_stefan : haven't tested. Don't think so.
[2016-03-02 18:12:57] sleger : That's a ~2% roundtrip, how many trades like this a year can one do ? I'd say 2 per month easy so 25% a year. Ok maybe not the same return then
[2016-03-02 18:13:17] splash : hi
[2016-03-02 18:13:25] sleger : plouf
[2016-03-02 18:23:38] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: btc-e metatrader works fine here
[2016-03-02 18:23:44] rapidtrades : had 1 disconnect last night
[2016-03-02 18:24:12] rapidtrades : but on okc app, btc-e doesnt show....looks like API f*Ck up
[2016-03-02 18:25:24] Tulip_stefan : looks like their server software was updated, and they somehow dont support old versions of openssl anymore. That's what i think anyway.
[2016-03-02 18:27:33] Tulip_stefan : It's fixed now but it still claims the exact same ssl version... maybe certs that where updated or something.
[2016-03-02 18:28:05] rapidtrades : apperently btc-e had 0.01 fees during the holidays...yet i still got charged 0.5% on mt4...like wtf
[2016-03-02 18:28:46] sleger : rapidtrades: grow up stop being a child ;)
[2016-03-02 18:29:32] rapidtrades : can't help it, im a bitcoiner
[2016-03-02 18:33:12] rapidtrades : sleger: when u traded options, did u sell or buy
[2016-03-02 18:37:34] Tulip_stefan : I'm just firing a shot in the dark here, but i'm fairly certain the answer is 'both' ..
[2016-03-02 18:39:26] rapidtrades : i meant initially...did he collect premium or what
[2016-03-02 18:39:42] sleger : rapidtrades: i still do
[2016-03-02 18:40:10] sleger : well both but mostly gamma short
[2016-03-02 19:36:00] gustavo7 : oh mETH y u so high
[2016-03-02 19:38:54] gustavo7 : OD OD !!
[2016-03-02 19:39:14] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 90 @ 0.02003
[2016-03-02 19:39:24] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.02014
[2016-03-02 19:39:47] Mangalica : ETHmonster still on rampage
[2016-03-02 19:40:18] gustavo7 : errbody in the club get fomo
[2016-03-02 19:41:48] jung1 : meth
[2016-03-02 19:48:22] Mangalica : ton of coins till 0.021 on polo
[2016-03-02 19:50:36] Mangalica : i hold my breath every time polo freezes for a couple of seconds, more often than not it's huge orders going through
[2016-03-02 19:51:48] gustavo7 : but dipped to 0.020 just now
[2016-03-02 19:52:18] Mangalica : 5-10% candles in either direction are not out of the question with ETH these days
[2016-03-02 19:52:50] Mangalica : .02 gone
[2016-03-02 19:54:05] gustavo7 : of course the flag had to touch it agin
[2016-03-02 19:59:54] Mangalica : 450 BTC left to borrow on polo.
[2016-03-02 20:00:16] gustavo7 : idk what that means, what is it usually?
[2016-03-02 20:00:54] Mangalica : the other day we had about 1500-2000, as someone big move in funds
[2016-03-02 20:01:14] Mangalica : it used to be about 100-300 before that
[2016-03-02 20:01:51] jung1 : finex $430
[2016-03-02 20:01:53] Mangalica : It's not dangerous yet
[2016-03-02 20:21:47] gustavo7 : what a nice bull flag
[2016-03-02 20:42:40] gustavo7 : really nice
[2016-03-02 20:50:51] zanza : wow ETH
[2016-03-02 20:54:23] jung1 : keep an eye at maidsafe coin also
[2016-03-02 20:54:38] justinlooking : holy crap
[2016-03-02 20:56:40] gustavo7 : no breakout
[2016-03-02 21:05:56] zanza : looks like a busted short squeeze on ETH
[2016-03-02 21:09:37] gustavo7 : new shorts coming in
[2016-03-02 21:09:54] habibi : this time is diffrent :D
[2016-03-02 21:10:16] habibi : lower high lower low
[2016-03-02 21:10:16] jung1 : why?
[2016-03-02 21:10:52] Mangalica : a lot of BTC returned to the lendbooks on polo
[2016-03-02 21:11:03] habibi : just joking, whales will fck shortes again if there are enough
[2016-03-02 21:16:23] habibi : and joke is real
[2016-03-02 21:16:34] habibi : woow:)
[2016-03-02 21:19:32] gustavo7 : someone btfd'd
[2016-03-02 21:24:02] splash : where do i isolate margin? i cant find the button
[2016-03-02 21:24:13] habibi : on old ui splash
[2016-03-02 21:24:14] justinlooking : splash: use the slider in the order pane
[2016-03-02 21:24:22] habibi : just anything beside cross is isolated
[2016-03-02 21:26:06] splash : thanks!
[2016-03-02 21:27:22] zanza : how come the ETH bots only quote in increments if .001?
[2016-03-02 21:35:01] sleger : cause that s what the guy who coded it decided
[2016-03-02 22:02:09] micmix : going to test famous "market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" with ETH :-)
[2016-03-02 22:02:40] sleger : micmix: you saw, the FIX fut for 0kc is not quite ready yet
[2016-03-02 22:03:36] micmix : sleger: haven't tried trading yet, any problems?
[2016-03-02 22:03:55] sleger : yes, it works for spot but not for fut, i get session resets all the time
[2016-03-02 22:04:04] sleger : i emailed support and they said its not stable yet
[2016-03-02 22:04:53] micmix : Did they say how long before it's usable? I was planning to implement it next week
[2016-03-02 22:06:15] sleger : they did not, but just try market data first, even that is causing the issue and thats just a 2 lines change if you had already done spot
[2016-03-02 22:06:29] sleger : if it works for you let me know, and if I try again and it works i'll tell you
[2016-03-02 22:07:09] micmix : yeah, I will start with market data, easiest way to test
[2016-03-02 22:07:12] sleger : just need to change this basically : noRelatedSym.set(new Symbol("this_week")); noRelatedSym.set(new SecurityType("FUT")); noRelatedSym.set(new StrikeCurrency("btc_usd"));
[2016-03-02 22:10:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 427.36
[2016-03-02 22:10:37] rapidtrades : eth guys selling again
[2016-03-02 22:11:33] micmix : thanks sleger, I looked through the docs, looks easy enough.
[2016-03-02 22:11:57] rapidtrades : bot makers sticking together....ugh
[2016-03-02 22:12:13] rapidtrades : licking each other buttholes
[2016-03-02 22:25:15] gustavo7 : BTC going the same way
[2016-03-02 22:26:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 49 @ 426.49
[2016-03-02 22:27:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3309 @ 425.82
[2016-03-02 22:27:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 790 @ 515.97
[2016-03-02 22:40:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 200 @ 0.01921
[2016-03-02 22:40:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 10 @ 0.01921
[2016-03-02 22:43:13] gustavo7 : huh 2830 CNY = 430 USD acc to google, something wrong?
[2016-03-02 22:43:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 666 @ 425.62
[2016-03-02 22:44:33] habibi : gustavo7: why wrong?
[2016-03-02 22:44:54] gustavo7 : because we are at 425 here
[2016-03-02 22:45:09] habibi : we dont follow china cny spots here
[2016-03-02 22:45:16] habibi : usd markets
[2016-03-02 22:45:52] gustavo7 : well the index prices yes
[2016-03-02 22:46:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTM16`: Sell 100 @ 513.25
[2016-03-02 22:48:42] gustavo7 : still wasn't (despite faked/zerofee-inflated volume) the chinese market a strong leader?
[2016-03-02 22:49:16] habibi : we dont care about leader in that terms as long as settlement goes by index price made by usd exchanges
[2016-03-02 22:49:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 600 @ 424.06
[2016-03-02 22:49:25] REKT : :btc: :soon: :toilet:
[2016-03-02 22:50:24] sleger : habibi: yes we care about leaders unless settlement happens now or v soon
[2016-03-02 22:51:38] habibi : sleger: not about china leaders in case of exact price, just about way of btc movement
[2016-03-02 22:51:42] gustavo7 : 13h is not so far away. i get it tough basically it's ok as long as the index is not changed up
[2016-03-02 22:52:57] gustavo7 : i remember trading on 796 which was denominated in USD and pretty spot on for some time but then they changed the index i guess or locked down the exchange rate so now it's still at >430 "USD"
[2016-03-02 22:53:25] sleger : gustavo7: 796 is based on cny price converted to usd
[2016-03-02 22:53:25] habibi : sleger: i mean what influenece on the 24h contracts price has 8 $ premium of china spot atm?
[2016-03-02 22:53:27] gustavo7 : (so i know 796 is 'overrated')