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[2016-02-29 08:55:10] BTCVIX : I know I have heard Sam say well it is about using the platform for awhile and getting used to it -- to me that is kind of shitty answer if you are trying to onboard new users -- it should be as intuitive as possible from a UI UX perspective -- not even talking about the products part
[2016-02-29 08:56:43] BTCVIX : XBT_IHCT: Sam was in Army -- the first rule they teach at Field Training is don't listen to the screaming but listen to the message in the screaming and just focus on that
[2016-02-29 08:56:43] BTCVIX : lol
[2016-02-29 08:57:23] XBT_IHCT : BTCVIX: lol
[2016-02-29 08:58:32] XBT_IHCT : BTCVIX: you think exactly the same as I do...
[2016-02-29 08:59:10] XBT_IHCT : that's why I was like... I'll stop hammering on about it... lol
[2016-02-29 09:01:08] BTCVIX : well all we can do is come on here and tell them what we think
[2016-02-29 09:02:11] XBT_IHCT : yeah... that and little css tweaks in the meantime... lol
[2016-02-29 09:03:51] XBT_IHCT : so Sam... that's why I'd really like you to send me a list of div ids... and I'll just see what I can do to help with css tweaks that may be useful...
[2016-02-29 09:05:10] XBT_IHCT : BTCVIX: did you get what I was saying about adding the 1 in front of none to turn it on and off? to hide the chat when you want to.
[2016-02-29 09:05:45] BTCVIX : no that is too complex for new users so that is too complex for me -- I am pretending to be a new user
[2016-02-29 09:08:48] XBT_IHCT : ah okay then... cool
[2016-02-29 09:11:09] XBT_IHCT : Sam, would it be possible for you to add a button, (maybe near the megaphone icon would be intuitive) that would show or hide the trollbox?
[2016-02-29 09:12:48] BitMEX_Sam : I'm not sure if I understand this request
[2016-02-29 09:12:51] BitMEX_Sam : What's wrong with minimizing it?
[2016-02-29 09:13:54] XBT_IHCT : even though I know how to hide it... sometimes when it is not hidden... it can temporarily get in the way... the minimized version that is...
[2016-02-29 09:15:54] BitMEX_Sam : What does it get in the way of? It's rather small, unless you have a very tiny screen it seems odd that it would be an issue
[2016-02-29 09:17:13] XBT_IHCT : the css line I added to remove it altogether removes the minimized part of it also and it is for smaller screens again
[2016-02-29 09:20:00] XBT_IHCT : if it bugs me too much I'll just turn on my css fix to remove it completely... I just thought that as users seem to want to hide it sometimes... I just thought I'd suggest what I thought of... never mind...
[2016-02-29 09:48:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.01449
[2016-02-29 10:48:05] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 8300 @ 439.51
[2016-02-29 10:48:15] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 2500 @ 441.60
[2016-02-29 10:48:47] gustavo7 : pump'd
[2016-02-29 10:51:59] gustavo7 : why is okcoin volume low despite that move
[2016-02-29 10:53:26] gustavo7 : ok theres one spike, but it didn't look convincing yesterday
[2016-02-29 11:10:03] rapidtrades : good morning fellas
[2016-02-29 11:14:12] adlai : bull morning
[2016-02-29 11:21:06] NukeLaloosh : howdy all
[2016-02-29 11:21:18] NukeLaloosh : no ETH deposit support?
[2016-02-29 11:21:43] habibi : another good player! hey u'r welcome.
[2016-02-29 11:24:53] rapidtrades : habibi: if we get to 446...it's lift off time imo...blowing the cap on this b1tch
[2016-02-29 11:25:19] habibi : 460 and then sky?
[2016-02-29 11:25:23] habibi : is the limit?
[2016-02-29 11:25:31] rapidtrades : 460/470...then we'll see :)
[2016-02-29 11:28:42] mrp1nk : ~, 450, 465, 500, moon
[2016-02-29 11:33:10] rapidtrades : i wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing cascades higher from 450>500
[2016-02-29 11:33:25] rapidtrades : one huge green dildo
[2016-02-29 11:35:32] rapidtrades : support? spam on 48h
[2016-02-29 11:35:48] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: .
[2016-02-29 11:36:44] rapidtrades : any news? this move is awfully fast
[2016-02-29 11:36:55] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 323 @ 439.68
[2016-02-29 12:00:38] rapidtrades : what a min...did i just get charged to have my 48h rolled to 24h?
[2016-02-29 12:01:09] gustavo7 : damn it got stopped on 442
[2016-02-29 12:01:26] gustavo7 : should have yolo settled
[2016-02-29 12:02:02] habibi : rapidtrades: they charge fees for that?
[2016-02-29 12:02:52] j8 : there's no fee for rolling other than normal trading fees
[2016-02-29 12:04:35] rapidtrades : j8: u sure? i think my realised pnl went down on that position...
[2016-02-29 12:04:58] j8 : you might have had pnl unlocked?
[2016-02-29 12:05:26] rapidtrades : j8: talking about rebates/fees
[2016-02-29 12:05:54] rapidtrades : haven't closed it yet, nothing to unlock
[2016-02-29 12:06:53] j8 : i see, well it should just move your pnl from 48H to 24H, i haven't done any auditing on it
[2016-02-29 12:07:27] rapidtrades : i would check my trading history but I have no idea where to find it in this UI
[2016-02-29 12:07:39] j8 : i'm wondering why we're showing 0.21% DPE but no open liquidations
[2016-02-29 12:07:48] rapidtrades : weird
[2016-02-29 12:08:01] j8 : Account -> Trade HIstory
[2016-02-29 12:08:03] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: could u just use old total balance thing? was much more usefull if i had constans information about how much btc is locked
[2016-02-29 12:08:27] rapidtrades : habibi: ur just resistant to change habiji...u'll get used to it
[2016-02-29 12:09:38] j8 : the margin panel's still there on advanced view, if thats what you're looking for @habibi
[2016-02-29 12:10:11] habibi : j8: right up corner of page, total balance, used to show unlockled balance as well
[2016-02-29 12:10:27] habibi : dont like orderbook on pro panel
[2016-02-29 12:11:20] j8 : right, total and available. i'm the opposite i can't get used to the basic orderbook
[2016-02-29 12:12:39] habibi : would could get use to advanced one if that would get colors, left side diffrent then right side
[2016-02-29 12:12:46] rapidtrades : i did some maths and i wasn't charged rollover fee
[2016-02-29 12:13:18] rapidtrades : prolly remembered a wrong number or smth
[2016-02-29 12:30:55] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 350 @ 0.01423
[2016-02-29 12:35:17] mrp1nk : bought tfd
[2016-02-29 12:37:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.01417
[2016-02-29 12:56:58] BitMEX_Arthur : j8: We are investigating that DPE right now
[2016-02-29 12:57:18] j8 : yeah, thought it seemed weird
[2016-02-29 15:34:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4000 @ 437.33
[2016-02-29 15:35:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3000 @ 436.06
[2016-02-29 15:35:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4914 @ 436.00
[2016-02-29 15:35:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 435.81 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-29 17:11:04] gustavo7 : where can i see at what price :XBT24H settled?
[2016-02-29 17:12:46] sleger : 436.40
[2016-02-29 17:13:41] Teddy76 : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-02-29 17:15:15] gustavo7 : ah, Trade tab, settlement history
[2016-02-29 17:15:26] gustavo7 : uh meant "Help" tab
[2016-02-29 17:15:29] gustavo7 : lol
[2016-02-29 17:15:38] sleger : its really hard to find anything since the UI change
[2016-02-29 17:15:39] gustavo7 : Teddy76: THX
[2016-02-29 17:17:38] gustavo7 : wow i got stumped, was short 431, stopped 442, could've settled 437 just an hour later
[2016-02-29 17:18:53] gustavo7 : what you all think, was my stop to narrow or to wide?
[2016-02-29 17:21:48] mrp1nk : on the 24h with 100x?
[2016-02-29 17:22:13] gustavo7 : on the 24h yes but only 3x
[2016-02-29 17:27:19] gustavo7 : well entry was actually up 433, so 3% loss at 3x means 9% - pretty wide
[2016-02-29 17:28:23] mrp1nk : at the first moment i thought its too wide, but with 3x it could be legit
[2016-02-29 17:28:26] sleger : gustavo7: you got stopped, so if you're asking how you could have lost less money with your wrong trade, then yes your stop was either too narrow or too wide...
[2016-02-29 17:30:44] gustavo7 : yep both are bad
[2016-02-29 17:31:11] gustavo7 : just thinking of the old "cutting your losses quickly"
[2016-02-29 17:36:30] sleger : well, the thing is that a stop is not free, not because of the pnl you have lost but because it sends an agressive order to the book so you pay half spread + fees
[2016-02-29 17:37:39] sleger : i only trade cross margin with no stop
[2016-02-29 17:40:16] rapidtrades : sleger: so when do u get out if ur wrong
[2016-02-29 17:40:26] sleger : when i choose to
[2016-02-29 17:41:05] rapidtrades : u give the most useless answers
[2016-02-29 17:41:34] sleger : well, its based on market conditions at the time of getting out, not based on some predetermined level irrespective of what will happen
[2016-02-29 17:41:39] sleger : better ?
[2016-02-29 17:42:26] rapidtrades : yes
[2016-02-29 17:43:01] mrp1nk : can i have an BitMEX leet trader sentiment?
[2016-02-29 17:43:15] rapidtrades : UP
[2016-02-29 17:44:13] mrp1nk : thx
[2016-02-29 17:44:45] aethlios : the calendar spread 24H_48H doesn't show to testnet. I read the digest today saying it will start next monday.
[2016-02-29 17:53:32] davidjames : How is everyone doing ?
[2016-02-29 17:55:09] Tulip_stefan : gustavo7: 'cutting your losses quickly' is bad advice. What you should do is evaluate at each time step 'if i had no position, would i buy/sell?' and then only buy and sell if you can answer that question. I'd choose selling at a random point in time over a stop loss. Pretty much the same thing as sleger said.
[2016-02-29 17:55:22] Tulip_stefan : it's kind of lame only the algo traders seem to really get this..
[2016-02-29 17:56:43] davidjames : Hey if you want to make sure you do t leave any profit left on the table and you want to short, send me an email gbides@hotmail.com
[2016-02-29 17:57:38] sleger : I've heard hotmail is the only email provider allowed in jail
[2016-02-29 17:57:49] Tulip_stefan : can you please stop spamming here? It's really annoying when people try to leverage any available communication channel as advertising opportunity.
[2016-02-29 17:58:11] sleger : He's more a scummer than a spammer
[2016-02-29 17:59:24] davidjames : Hey tulip check the prices latley we predicted that and were predicting more so if you want to keep losing trades then do that but if not you should actually stop being a jerk off an shoot me a mail
[2016-02-29 17:59:33] davidjames : Same to you sleger
[2016-02-29 17:59:50] Tulip_stefan : I'm a jerk because i disagree with advertising in this chatroom? Wow...
[2016-02-29 18:00:15] sleger : You did not predict any price here
[2016-02-29 18:00:37] davidjames : It's not really advertising I would love to help you not lose on your trades but you won't listen so that's your loss
[2016-02-29 18:01:08] davidjames : Yes I did if you would email me you would be sent when to buy and when to sell you have full access to our info
[2016-02-29 18:01:11] sleger : You said 4.40 and that you were not talking about bitcoin. Now you're just using the fact the price of bitcoin is at 440 to back trade your way into profits, just like any pump and dump pink sheet scum is doing, which is exactly what you are
[2016-02-29 18:01:26] davidjames : No dipshit we said Bitcoin
[2016-02-29 18:01:30] davidjames : on the emails
[2016-02-29 18:01:39] sleger : your info is worth as much as your IQ : 0
[2016-02-29 18:01:42] rapidtrades : srsly can we ban this douche already
[2016-02-29 18:01:52] sleger : yes admins, do your job
[2016-02-29 18:02:09] davidjames : Sure ban me I'll just use more traders to aka advertise for me
[2016-02-29 18:02:13] sleger : and anyone stupid enough to listen to him deserves to lose his money
[2016-02-29 18:02:28] habibi : davidjames: all u have to do to make it real, give exact time hourly of pump time/dump with exact price range, otherwise u can talk shit more or less
[2016-02-29 18:02:32] davidjames : So now I'm going to make you guys loose money
[2016-02-29 18:02:40] rapidtrades : davidjames: get f*cked
[2016-02-29 18:02:46] davidjames : Email me and I will
[2016-02-29 18:02:55] rapidtrades : with a cactus
[2016-02-29 18:02:55] sleger : i heard they're calling you, it's diner time in jail @davidjames
[2016-02-29 18:03:05] habibi : davidjames: what if i will play 100% against sleger positions
[2016-02-29 18:03:08] habibi : who will loose money?
[2016-02-29 18:03:36] Tulip_stefan : Since you didn't mention a time frame, everybody except the exchanges.
[2016-02-29 18:03:52] davidjames : Fuck ya you will I'll move the dam prices and I just won't buy in if it make you loose idk I win
[2016-02-29 18:04:06] Tulip_stefan : sounds like a good plan.
[2016-02-29 18:04:10] habibi : great, waiting for that! :)
[2016-02-29 18:04:30] sleger : davidjames: be careful when you pick up that soap in the jail shower, rapid is right behind you with a cactus
[2016-02-29 18:04:35] davidjames : Bye
[2016-02-29 18:04:37] habibi : :D
[2016-02-29 18:04:44] rapidtrades : davidjames: f off
[2016-02-29 18:04:52] rapidtrades : don't come back
[2016-02-29 18:04:59] habibi : cactus :D buhahahahaha cant stop laughing
[2016-02-29 18:05:09] habibi : first good joke sleger
[2016-02-29 18:05:24] sleger : he mentioned the cactus first
[2016-02-29 18:05:24] habibi : bad thing is now 2 months of nothing again :(
[2016-02-29 18:05:30] habibi : ah so its not even u
[2016-02-29 18:05:33] sleger : no
[2016-02-29 18:05:34] habibi : still good
[2016-02-29 18:05:45] sleger : but the really good jokes you just dont get them
[2016-02-29 18:05:52] habibi : and its not sacrastic despite it looks like
[2016-02-29 18:06:07] rapidtrades : sleger: u only made 1 joke that made me laugh
[2016-02-29 18:06:13] rapidtrades : in so many months
[2016-02-29 18:06:23] sleger : and i cant be blamed for you not understanding them
[2016-02-29 18:06:37] habibi : sleger: ok ok go on mate, eot already :)
[2016-02-29 18:06:55] rapidtrades : meh could be a language thing @sleger
[2016-02-29 18:07:12] sleger : yeah i dont have your murican accent dude ;)
[2016-02-29 18:07:41] habibi : eh 1/10
[2016-02-29 18:07:43] habibi : next try sleger
[2016-02-29 18:07:57] rapidtrades : humor doesn't translate well between languages
[2016-02-29 18:08:44] rapidtrades : habibi: u think we'll range now or?
[2016-02-29 18:09:07] rapidtrades : what was that 2 months comment about
[2016-02-29 18:09:22] ayy lmao : Having issues with 2fa
[2016-02-29 18:09:26] habibi : sleger jokes
[2016-02-29 18:09:34] ayy lmao : my username is causing an error bc of space
[2016-02-29 18:09:45] ayy lmao : wont let me change settings on my account
[2016-02-29 18:09:50] ayy lmao : ayy lmao
[2016-02-29 18:09:55] rapidtrades : lool
[2016-02-29 18:10:07] rapidtrades : u just HAD to use a space
[2016-02-29 18:10:09] ayy lmao : "Username must be at least 2 characters long. Letters, numbers, periods, and underscores only"
[2016-02-29 18:10:17] rapidtrades : ahahahaha
[2016-02-29 18:10:26] habibi : ayy give me used/pass data i will try
[2016-02-29 18:10:30] habibi : user*
[2016-02-29 18:10:46] ayy lmao : need my credit card info?
[2016-02-29 18:10:58] rapidtrades : user ayy lmao password: lmao ayy
[2016-02-29 18:11:00] habibi : yes i dont
[2016-02-29 18:11:32] rapidtrades : no wait password lmao_ayy only underscore allowed
[2016-02-29 18:11:35] ayy lmao : @Bitmex_Sam, @Bitmex_Wally, plz halp
[2016-02-29 18:11:55] micmix : hi sleger! okc0in updated their FIX API, futures work now. not sure if you saw new docs
[2016-02-29 18:12:09] sleger : micmix: oh awesome, thank you ! I will check that out
[2016-02-29 18:16:12] rapidtrades : i think tht's the first time sleger said thank you in this chat
[2016-02-29 18:16:21] rapidtrades : must be very excited about that change lol
[2016-02-29 18:17:30] micmix : actually sleger is very polite, he said thank you several times to me
[2016-02-29 18:19:39] sleger : especially as he never said my mother was a whore or stuff like that... politeness works both ways ;)
[2016-02-29 18:20:47] rapidtrades : u started it
[2016-02-29 18:21:05] donkey : sleger vs rapidtrades round 94384
[2016-02-29 18:21:25] rapidtrades : nah we're mostly cool now
[2016-02-29 18:21:26] sleger : no, I never wrote any insult
[2016-02-29 18:21:37] habibi : donkey: donkey donkey donkey donkey
[2016-02-29 18:22:15] rapidtrades : no but u used passive-aggressive language all the time
[2016-02-29 18:22:20] donkey : habibi: friend friend friend
[2016-02-29 18:22:32] sleger : oh that, yes !
[2016-02-29 18:22:46] donkey : or habibi is more like lover or something?
[2016-02-29 18:22:58] habibi : both!
[2016-02-29 18:24:44] donkey : i know more arabic than i think :)
[2016-02-29 18:25:09] rapidtrades : wait you're an arab? @habibi
[2016-02-29 18:25:49] habibi : not more than generous muslim
[2016-02-29 18:26:01] rapidtrades : what
[2016-02-29 18:26:08] habibi : not at all
[2016-02-29 18:26:15] tyrannozaur : ребята помогите разобраться что здесб и как может видео какоето есть?
[2016-02-29 18:26:30] gustavo7 : thanks for the input, i usually leave it cross open too but i like to set stops when i'm away and am pretty sure the reached level proves me wrong in guessing the trend or breakout
[2016-02-29 18:26:30] sleger : klshaereukh asegrhjkaesh rfawher asehf ahserfhk
[2016-02-29 18:26:38] rapidtrades : RUSSIAN DETECTED, INVASION IMMINENT
[2016-02-29 18:27:15] habibi : cyka blat
[2016-02-29 18:27:52] rapidtrades : gustavo7: stops are not a bad idea if u can't watch it
[2016-02-29 18:28:14] habibi : english translator: guys help me understand that here, and how can a video that is?
[2016-02-29 18:28:31] sleger : tyrannozaur: жаль что никто не говорит на русском языке здесь
[2016-02-29 18:28:53] habibi : tyrannozaur: без знаю английский вы не можете сделать много здесь.
[2016-02-29 18:29:10] rapidtrades : lol everyone's an expert google translator
[2016-02-29 18:29:12] donkey : просто купить и держать
[2016-02-29 18:29:21] sleger : we're all fluent
[2016-02-29 18:29:22] rapidtrades : buy and hold!
[2016-02-29 18:29:51] donkey : the answer to everything
[2016-02-29 18:30:24] rapidtrades : charts still look very bullish imo
[2016-02-29 18:31:25] sleger : i agree but dont really believe in charts, however capital flights from china and yuan devaluation are stronger factors to be long IMO
[2016-02-29 18:31:41] gustavo7 : it could reach 450-460 again but i don't think much after that
[2016-02-29 18:33:05] rapidtrades : idk until i see some figures I'll chalk that up to wishful thinking..like Cyprus plus there is no devaluation we're now at 6.55, lower then that spike in August
[2016-02-29 18:33:23] rapidtrades : figures re@ capital flight that goes specifically into BTC
[2016-02-29 18:34:22] habibi : best case scenario nice breakout at 460 and testing 500-550, worst case.. there is guy called DanV on tv, he loves to have dooms ideas that noone would ever think of :D
[2016-02-29 18:35:50] donkey : haven't been on tv in more than a year but apparently DanV didnt change
[2016-02-29 18:36:24] habibi : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/XNGkAb8M-BTCUSD-Outlook-for-2016-17-with-4-possibilities/ 66$
[2016-02-29 18:36:48] rapidtrades : habibi: yeah 500-600 seems reasonable target
[2016-02-29 18:38:22] rapidtrades : this is prolly the last pump pre-halving
[2016-02-29 18:40:14] tyrannozaur : помогите как тут торговатььь
[2016-02-29 18:40:31] AudibleScience : I have a quick question... why man!? @rapidtrades
[2016-02-29 18:44:30] AudibleScience : rapidtrades: you must have a reason for thinking that... what is it?
[2016-02-29 18:48:09] tscha : recent block contained >500k bitcoins... hopefully these coins hit the market <3
[2016-02-29 18:52:46] XBT_Saver : in a formula is each contract simply worth 0.00001 coins?
[2016-02-29 18:55:20] AudibleScience : not sure what the: "per $1 price" means though?
[2016-02-29 18:56:04] rapidtrades : AudibleScience: because bitcoin market is more efficient then altcoins...the halving will get priced in much sooner...followed by a crash prolly
[2016-02-29 18:56:20] rapidtrades : as per the usual pattern
[2016-02-29 18:58:39] habibi : tscha: no it didnt
[2016-02-29 18:59:16] AudibleScience : rapidtrades: well I'm hope you're wrong... and that the halving results in a permanent doubling of the price of the coin as there will only be half of them going around for the next 4 years!
[2016-02-29 19:00:30] habibi : how can anyone think that halving will double the price ?
[2016-02-29 19:01:07] AudibleScience : I just explained the my logic...
[2016-02-29 19:02:10] tscha : habibi: what do you mean "it didnt"?
[2016-02-29 19:02:39] arbitrage001 : AudibleScience: If trading is that simple, everyone will be filthy rich
[2016-02-29 19:02:54] habibi : tscha: its faked, if u send 1 coins 500 000 times it doesnt mean that there is possibilty of 500k coins hitting market
[2016-02-29 19:03:41] tscha : how do 500 000 transactions fit into one block?
[2016-02-29 19:04:21] habibi : 50x 10k coins or whatever, didnt look up into that specific block
[2016-02-29 19:05:25] Tulip_stefan : Must be someone with at least 10k coins then.
[2016-02-29 19:05:49] habibi : nah, saw guy doing enourmous block volume with 4k
[2016-02-29 19:06:23] AudibleScience : habibi: okay maybe doubling is over-optimistic... but the coin supply is halving and the spot has come down significantly from much higher in the past...
[2016-02-29 19:06:40] habibi : coin supply is still the same
[2016-02-29 19:06:48] Tulip_stefan : the coin supply is not halving. The inflation is.
[2016-02-29 19:06:53] Tulip_stefan : inflation is a long term thing.
[2016-02-29 19:07:07] AudibleScience : habibi: when?
[2016-02-29 19:07:21] Tulip_stefan : somewhere this summer.
[2016-02-29 19:08:42] habibi : there will be still around 15750000 btc minus lost ones/ or whatever.
[2016-02-29 19:09:32] habibi : its just a myth people believes and makes hype of it :p
[2016-02-29 19:14:40] habibi : looks like our insider friend has problems https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/488q5l/i_am_going_to_prison_for_3_years_should_i_invest/
[2016-02-29 19:35:22] rapidtrades : wtf is wrong with this index
[2016-02-29 19:35:33] rapidtrades : okc 436.50 finex 437.8
[2016-02-29 19:35:37] rapidtrades : here 435.72
[2016-02-29 19:35:42] rapidtrades : rly bitmex...REALLY
[2016-02-29 19:36:10] rapidtrades : at some point volume has to count for smth, this index is shit
[2016-02-29 19:40:24] sleger : but thats why there is some premium
[2016-02-29 19:40:37] sleger : people (algos) know it will catch up
[2016-02-29 19:42:11] rapidtrades : it may never catch up
[2016-02-29 19:42:22] rapidtrades : until settlement :)
[2016-02-29 20:06:31] rapidtrades : seems the ignorant masses of reddit support classic
[2016-02-29 20:06:39] rapidtrades : guess core's the better option then
[2016-02-29 20:06:57] rapidtrades : i never liked hard forks anyway
[2016-02-29 20:09:04] rapidtrades : this whole debate is like global warming all over again
[2016-02-29 20:09:42] rapidtrades : whenever there's a backlog idiots post ''OMG CRASH IMMINENT WE ALL GONNA DIE''....u don't see the f*ckers post when everything works fine 99% of the time
[2016-02-29 20:11:00] jung1 : yeah big money involved so everyone want to take piece of cake
[2016-02-29 20:12:05] jung1 : I bed that there is huge finance lobby on that fork
[2016-02-29 20:12:20] rapidtrades : everyone that matters agreed to go with core and the idiots keep spamming bs...15 yrs old and a keyboard is a dangerous thing
[2016-02-29 20:14:22] jung1 : I think that 15 years old kids have better things to do that posting about bitcoin fork
[2016-02-29 20:14:39] rapidtrades : like what...jerking ff
[2016-02-29 20:15:00] jung1 : for example
[2016-02-29 20:15:46] jung1 : noone know what blockchain is and fork? they know fork from the kitchen
[2016-02-29 20:16:49] rapidtrades : hehe
[2016-02-29 20:21:30] jung1 : for example Peter Thiel is head of Bilderberg Group and he is one of early investors in ethereum
[2016-02-29 20:22:14] jung1 : They saw that blockchain is here to stay
[2016-02-29 20:23:19] jung1 : and they want to make it for themselve in some way so I bet that they are involved in that debate
[2016-02-29 20:29:18] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: @jung1 interesting. Source?
[2016-02-29 20:29:45] mrp1nk : -rapidtrades
[2016-02-29 20:29:46] jung1 : check peter thiel on wiki
[2016-02-29 20:30:06] rapidtrades : mrp1nk: don't minus me brah
[2016-02-29 20:30:32] mrp1nk : :-p
[2016-02-29 20:30:35] jung1 : https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ether-fuel-ethereum-project-can-now-pre-ordered/
[2016-02-29 20:31:43] jung1 : Ethereum is the much anticipated distributed application software platform co-founded by Peter Thiel Fellowship winner Vitalik Buterin. Ethereum’s goals are quite ambitious.
[2016-02-29 20:32:38] mrp1nk : jung1: thx
[2016-02-29 20:33:03] rapidtrades : i hate etherium
[2016-02-29 20:33:12] jung1 : I love it
[2016-02-29 20:33:23] AudibleScience : does no one think we will ever get back to £800 a coin?
[2016-02-29 20:33:44] zanza : ...
[2016-02-29 20:34:02] AudibleScience : and does anyone think etherium and the coin will reach parity?
[2016-02-29 20:34:19] AudibleScience : *ever?
[2016-02-29 20:34:53] jung1 : I still think that eth will reach $100 in <2 years
[2016-02-29 20:35:27] zanza : why would anyone buy ETH besides bubble specultion?
[2016-02-29 20:35:53] AudibleScience : I'm thinking of mining it a bit...
[2016-02-29 20:35:55] zanza : ☑️ Meme ☑️ Spicy
[2016-02-29 20:36:17] jung1 : https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/02/29/homestead-release/ two weeks from now
[2016-02-29 20:36:29] jung1 : couse it will be like new internet
[2016-02-29 20:36:51] zanza : if you can't buy drugs with it, its pointless
[2016-02-29 20:37:00] jung1 : of course you can
[2016-02-29 20:37:19] jung1 : and you can make smartcointract that if you will really get high you will pay it
[2016-02-29 20:37:42] zanza : ok, good luck with investment
[2016-02-29 20:37:47] jung1 : do nada
[2016-02-29 20:37:52] jung1 : de nada
[2016-02-29 20:39:16] XBT_Saver : jung1: you could even include biometric data kpis in the smart contracts so that you couldn't just lie about not getting high enough! hahaha
[2016-02-29 20:39:33] jung1 : yeah
[2016-02-29 20:39:38] jung1 : this is why I love it
[2016-02-29 20:39:40] jung1 : hehe
[2016-02-29 20:39:44] jung1 : pure math
[2016-02-29 20:39:47] jung1 : 1-0 system
[2016-02-29 20:39:53] jung1 : no fucks give
[2016-02-29 20:39:55] jung1 : given
[2016-02-29 20:40:05] justinlooking : jung1: in 2 yrs money supply will be > 3 times what it is now right?
[2016-02-29 20:40:19] rapidtrades : hehe
[2016-02-29 20:40:24] jung1 : yeah but I will bet that it will reach $100
[2016-02-29 20:40:47] jung1 : *win
[2016-02-29 20:42:14] XBT_Saver : are you mining eth? @jung1
[2016-02-29 20:42:45] jung1 : no jus t trading so far
[2016-02-29 20:42:51] jung1 : gonna wait for PoS
[2016-02-29 20:43:06] jung1 : you can make eth node with 1500eth
[2016-02-29 20:43:19] zanza : take me for a ride on your Yacht please once ETH explodes
[2016-02-29 20:43:32] jung1 : shure
[2016-02-29 20:44:00] jung1 : will order pizza for everyone on trollbox
[2016-02-29 20:49:10] jung1 : huys you are long on BTC now
[2016-02-29 20:49:14] jung1 : ?
[2016-02-29 20:50:33] rapidtrades : ya
[2016-02-29 20:52:57] justinlooking : jung would eth @ $100 in 2y mean $25bln mkt cap?
[2016-02-29 20:54:19] jung1 : Im not shure no how many eth will be on market in 2y
[2016-02-29 20:54:28] jung1 : but yeah. I think it will be big
[2016-02-29 20:58:00] sleger : 25bln big ?
[2016-02-29 20:58:26] jung1 : depends of dolar value
[2016-02-29 20:58:27] justinlooking : yeh i think i got my numbers wrong
[2016-02-29 20:58:42] mwalshe99 : gonna move big soon
[2016-02-29 20:58:54] jung1 : perfect bubble
[2016-02-29 20:59:04] mwalshe99 : by big i mean a few points but on 100x thats big
[2016-02-29 20:59:30] jung1 : compare https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/ethbtc/12h with bitcoin '13 chart
[2016-02-29 21:00:00] jung1 : that chart could be in economics books as a example
[2016-02-29 21:00:37] justinlooking : anyone understand eth issuance?
[2016-02-29 21:01:23] justinlooking : 13.4mil per 365 days?
[2016-02-29 21:18:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 513 @ 435.85
[2016-02-29 21:20:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 100 @ 438.32
[2016-02-29 21:22:52] Tulip_stefan : ugh i hate opengl. It just stops working without giving any clues.
[2016-02-29 21:39:17] rapidtrades : why are we falling...gayass whales
[2016-02-29 21:44:16] justinlooking : vit said on SE that 2.5 to 7 sec target block time in casper. eth is so opaque, it is impossible to price it
[2016-02-29 22:09:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 435.06
[2016-02-29 22:10:48] rapidtrades : why is there such a large gap between bid/ask on finex margin?
[2016-02-29 22:11:01] rapidtrades : 0.0285 vs 0.039
[2016-02-29 22:11:51] sleger : because you cant buy and resell immediately
[2016-02-29 22:12:26] rapidtrades : NO....why is the market f*cked when until today bid/ask was tight
[2016-02-29 22:16:08] rapidtrades : price-wise we were here this morning
[2016-02-29 22:22:32] uiop : rapidtrades: because clearly sentiment is different from then
[2016-02-29 22:45:17] rapidtrades : uiop: clearly
[2016-02-29 22:45:35] rapidtrades : so clear only a pleb like u could figure it out
[2016-02-29 22:47:02] uiop : rapidtrades: lol, you sound angery at the market cuz your longs are getting the banga
[2016-02-29 22:47:35] rapidtrades : clearly
[2016-02-29 22:47:50] rapidtrades : cos sentiment changed
[2016-02-29 22:48:07] uiop : u need a wambulance stat!
[2016-02-29 22:57:36] rapidtrades : guess that's why finex is at 441...cos my longs are not working out
[2016-02-29 23:01:33] rapidtrades : send me a truck instead of an ambulance....so I can carry all my new monies
[2016-02-29 23:02:06] rapidtrades : and then pile them on my old monies
[2016-02-29 23:05:49] sleger : you're gonna have a lot of nickel coins, soon you will need more fingers to count them !
[2016-02-29 23:58:19] uiop : rapidtrades: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2016-03-01 00:00:27] uiop : mbulance
[2016-03-01 00:26:52] itmikeyg : Who can answer this question: If Ethereum is decentralized but its quantity is not finite - who is controlling the amount of Ethereum released? And is the mining process similar to Bitcoin in the sense that hash rates decrease over time?
[2016-03-01 00:40:56] habibi : miners are making it real, dev team is thinking about changing algo to pos, its not clear what supply/inflation they wanna come with at the end, thats pretty bad argument as they can control supply basically whether they want
[2016-03-01 00:44:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 88 @ 439.27
[2016-03-01 00:44:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 5000 @ 438.95
[2016-03-01 00:44:51] itmikeyg : Well then it's not really decentralized... is that an incorrect statement?
[2016-03-01 00:46:25] habibi : devs are devs, decentralized means nodes/miners/network/blockchain is decentralized
[2016-03-01 00:47:56] rapidtrades : uiop: waaaa what?
[2016-03-01 00:48:12] rapidtrades : 442 finex ya b1tch
[2016-03-01 00:53:20] itmikeyg : Who gets payed the Ethereum when users use them to make apps/ websites/ etc?
[2016-03-01 00:55:33] habibi : miners and possible dapps creators
[2016-03-01 00:55:58] rapidtrades : habiji, the resident Etherium experrt
[2016-03-01 00:56:02] habibi : miners in fees, dapps creators in commission
[2016-03-01 00:56:15] rapidtrades : habiji in 72 virgins
[2016-03-01 00:56:32] habibi : i know nothing, just faking it to make it looks good
[2016-03-01 00:56:43] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-03-01 00:57:32] itmikeyg : lmao. I'm just trying to figure out the value in this whole thing. Has any of the developers stated what they thought was a good target price for Ethereum?
[2016-03-01 00:58:20] rapidtrades : $100 sounds good, one was quoted as saying
[2016-03-01 00:58:31] itmikeyg : oh come on your full of shit
[2016-03-01 00:58:51] rapidtrades : no just my colon
[2016-03-01 00:59:09] itmikeyg : I guess that would be pretty bad if you were totally full of shit
[2016-03-01 00:59:36] rapidtrades : ya
[2016-03-01 00:59:46] rapidtrades : possibly lethal
[2016-03-01 01:00:12] rapidtrades : I'm not doctor but ingesting large amounts of shit could kill you
[2016-03-01 01:00:32] itmikeyg : my friend was full of shit once
[2016-03-01 01:00:36] itmikeyg : completely stuffed
[2016-03-01 01:03:05] rapidtrades : chinese data miss, US rates drop...hilarious
[2016-03-01 01:04:56] habibi : itmikeyg: how u wanna price sth full of speculation? like u know almost 70% coins from presale werent even moved?
[2016-03-01 01:05:33] rapidtrades : habibi: how much was premined
[2016-03-01 01:05:44] habibi : 60-70milions
[2016-03-01 01:05:49] habibi : sth between that
[2016-03-01 01:06:03] rapidtrades : out of what
[2016-03-01 01:06:11] rapidtrades : oh right...they have no limit
[2016-03-01 01:06:17] rapidtrades : what a shitcoin
[2016-03-01 01:06:20] habibi : out of the same almost :p
[2016-03-01 01:06:34] rapidtrades : how much are there out right now
[2016-03-01 01:06:50] habibi : there are 2k mined every day? or sth similar but not much
[2016-03-01 01:07:34] rapidtrades : so there are 77 mil eth
[2016-03-01 01:07:40] rapidtrades : and only 15 mil btc
[2016-03-01 01:08:20] habibi : yea but original point was that eth was not a real value holder token
[2016-03-01 01:08:40] rapidtrades : yet that shitcoin is valued at 6.36....thats $32 if we adjust for the larger supply
[2016-03-01 01:08:51] rapidtrades : REALLY 32...for a coin thats few months old
[2016-03-01 01:08:52] habibi : just used to fill in dapps/mining fees in order to make it work in that network with enormous 50% yearly inflation
[2016-03-01 01:08:54] rapidtrades : REALLY
[2016-03-01 01:09:27] habibi : i dont know what they lattest plans about supply are coz they change it pretty often
[2016-03-01 01:09:59] rapidtrades : PRINT BABY PRINT
[2016-03-01 01:10:04] rapidtrades : that's what they plan
[2016-03-01 01:10:48] habibi : they got 30k btc from presale
[2016-03-01 01:11:01] habibi : and some premine for eth foundation and devs itself
[2016-03-01 01:11:22] rapidtrades : what c*nts
[2016-03-01 01:11:29] habibi : so probally they got at current price way more than 30k btc in eth but its vapor, no option to sell that at current price
[2016-03-01 01:11:42] rapidtrades : why
[2016-03-01 01:12:31] rapidtrades : why can't they sell
[2016-03-01 01:12:38] habibi : where would u find 30k btc on that market at steady price
[2016-03-01 01:13:01] habibi : volumes are pretty impressive but i bet some good % of it is faked
[2016-03-01 01:14:08] rapidtrades : so they got BTC in premine or
[2016-03-01 01:17:47] rapidtrades : they're defending $442 or smth on finex for some reason
[2016-03-01 01:17:59] rapidtrades : guess they know if we go >445 its game over
[2016-03-01 01:18:45] rapidtrades : habibi: u long
[2016-03-01 01:20:26] rapidtrades : feel like this is the night...bulls been attacking this barrier all day...floodgates could open soon
[2016-03-01 01:24:45] habibi : they got btc from presale, and eth from premine as well :p
[2016-03-01 01:25:10] habibi : nah, waiting for fomo to jump in or short
[2016-03-01 01:39:55] itmikeyg : Someones making the money here, its not the ppl holding eth
[2016-03-01 02:24:01] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 150 @ 435.32
[2016-03-01 03:26:31] davidjames : mwalshe99: you want some info on that new lisc ico ?
[2016-03-01 03:31:16] davidjames : anyone want info on lisc ico ?
[2016-03-01 04:52:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2529 @ 434.78
[2016-03-01 05:12:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 600 @ 434.25
[2016-03-01 05:15:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 12656 @ 434.15
[2016-03-01 07:30:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 433.58 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-01 07:43:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 15000 @ 437.06 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-03-01 07:43:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4300 @ 431.90
[2016-03-01 07:43:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 11671 @ 431.53
[2016-03-01 07:43:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2500 @ 430.92
[2016-03-01 07:43:33] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-03-01 07:43:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 40 @ 431.97
[2016-03-01 07:44:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4000 @ 429.19
[2016-03-01 07:44:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1000 @ 434.53
[2016-03-01 07:44:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 4996 @ 434.10
[2016-03-01 07:44:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 41 @ 424.79
[2016-03-01 07:44:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2000 @ 424.98
[2016-03-01 07:44:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2150 @ 424.87
[2016-03-01 07:46:47] elmorte : dafuq...
[2016-03-01 08:56:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.01506
[2016-03-01 09:07:42] zanza : sell you kids
[2016-03-01 09:07:53] rapidtrades : zanza: NO
[2016-03-01 09:08:05] rapidtrades : dis but a flesh wound
[2016-03-01 09:15:11] rapidtrades : a mere scratch
[2016-03-01 09:16:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 11000 @ 436.71
[2016-03-01 09:48:31] rapidtrades : how are we suppose to arbirage when this index is shit
[2016-03-01 09:48:50] rapidtrades : it's been trading below okc/finex all day
[2016-03-01 09:49:03] rapidtrades : following coinbase or some fagexchange no doubt
[2016-03-01 10:20:15] tscha : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/48f42x/arthur_hayes_of_bitmexcom_stole_my_photo_and_used/
[2016-03-01 10:30:58] rapidtrades : that guy seems a bit nuts lol
[2016-03-01 10:31:05] rapidtrades : $5 per email? cmon
[2016-03-01 10:40:54] rapidtrades : I noticed that bitmex is quick to implement small mostly cosmetic changes
[2016-03-01 10:41:10] rapidtrades : but whenever we want smth major to change, then its nope
[2016-03-01 10:41:20] rapidtrades : noone likes this shit index
[2016-03-01 10:41:39] rapidtrades : very few like the new UI yet they stuck us with it
[2016-03-01 10:43:01] tradewiz : Is the market maker in XBTM16 out for lunch or something? This happens from time to time which is fine - but is there a "guidance" on when the market maker is there or not?
[2016-03-01 10:50:02] itsmeagain : #Manyalittlemakesamickle http://i.piccy.info/i9/be749b1abc04c2eab513597e63fbc9f3/1456052415/110865/1005977/Snymok111.jpg Help me pls)"1H7VjpSMNnR9FLXxCvVKww71fKVCyLGvwT"
[2016-03-01 10:50:06] itsmeagain : bb)
[2016-03-01 11:00:08] rapidtrades : this retarted index man
[2016-03-01 11:01:24] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 499 @ 436.01
[2016-03-01 11:01:52] rapidtrades : MOVEEE U CUNT
[2016-03-01 11:11:45] Tulip_stefan : rapid: if you are not sure how to arbitrage against the index, then perhaps that a testament of how good the index is.
[2016-03-01 11:13:05] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: ur kidding right
[2016-03-01 11:14:40] Tulip_stefan : No i like the index a lot, actually.
[2016-03-01 11:15:09] rapidtrades : what do u know...f coders
[2016-03-01 11:23:11] Tulip_stefan : Oh, and it's 「'Tis but a flesh wound」, not 「Dis but a flesh wound」
[2016-03-01 11:30:33] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: don't correct my spelling pothead
[2016-03-01 11:30:59] rapidtrades : why don't u go pick tulips
[2016-03-01 11:36:16] Tulip_stefan : not the season.
[2016-03-01 11:40:35] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: well then go stick ur finger in a dyke
[2016-03-01 11:41:44] Tulip_stefan : not the season either. Only required at/near full moon
[2016-03-01 12:27:03] rapidtrades : get ur sh*t together bitmex...index now close to $2 below the two mos liquid USD exchanges
[2016-03-01 12:27:23] rapidtrades : u already F*CKED us over once today
[2016-03-01 13:07:07] Tulip_stefan : they fucked nobody over..... the contract is well-specified imo.
[2016-03-01 13:07:41] Tulip_stefan : the most important point of the index is that it is hard to manipulate and it certainly does that.
[2016-03-01 13:08:29] rapidtrades : clearly having 3 shitty exchanges overpower the two most liquid ones IS NOT MANIPULATING
[2016-03-01 13:08:56] rapidtrades : how can u be so wrong on so many issues
[2016-03-01 13:09:06] j8 : Tulip_stefan: disagree, the index is not well specified and it's an essential part of the contract
[2016-03-01 13:09:09] rapidtrades : ur like the Bernie Sanders of trading
[2016-03-01 13:09:31] j8 : the most important part is that it tracks the thing it's supposed to be tracking.
[2016-03-01 13:10:01] rapidtrades : also Arthur himself stated that one of the reasons he picked a QUANTO instead of regular contarct is that traders can ARB the differences
[2016-03-01 13:10:29] rapidtrades : thus generating more liquidity...we can't arb a non-static index
[2016-03-01 13:10:53] rapidtrades : well u can, but we'll have to do it much wider
[2016-03-01 13:11:58] rapidtrades : and that's not good for anyone, cos u'll have large discounts/premiums
[2016-03-01 13:17:57] j8 : hard to know what's a discount and what's a premium when the index is wonky.
[2016-03-01 13:21:32] j8 : the last couple days i could sometimes buy the weekly and sell higher on bitfinex. seems like a good trade, but only if bitfinex has a fair weighting at settlement
[2016-03-01 13:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 434.28
[2016-03-01 14:14:41] sleger : well either the index is bad at representing the fair value and it will eventually converge in which case you can arb it, or it's good and then it's good. But I agree this is not a game most people can play / even understand, and a static weighting or a formula like 0kcoin has is infinitely better
[2016-03-01 14:20:26] j8 : yeah it's more an issue on the daily, where you can't assume anything will converge.
[2016-03-01 14:25:13] sleger : you can roll it
[2016-03-01 14:30:57] j8 : it just makes it hard to trade, sure you can trade further down the curve so the index matters less, you would pay a lot to roll longs forward waiting for the index to catch up. it's been low for like a week or two
[2016-03-01 14:33:22] sleger : I had the impression it was catching up at least once a day on moves, but yes I agree it's not easy to catch, it s an algo job
[2016-03-01 14:40:19] j8 : we all find ways to deal with it. its just not something anyone really wants to speculate on. i'm taking smaller positions on the daily for now
[2016-03-01 14:44:54] sleger : i have been taking much smaller positions on daily but mostly because of the ridiculous settlement fees which make no sense to be twice what they should be
[2016-03-01 14:52:02] j8 : also annoying
[2016-03-01 15:14:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 433.13 :punch: :whale:
[2016-03-01 15:18:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 432.37
[2016-03-01 15:18:39] rekt101 : get rekt!!