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[2016-02-25 19:51:26] sleger : yes
[2016-02-25 19:51:51] sleger : but i dont consider myself a coder
[2016-02-25 19:52:05] rapidtrades : u have to have at least some trading experience to know what to look for, how to test etc
[2016-02-25 19:52:19] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i went from $1800 to $7000 there in that time period. Or 4 bitcoin to 16 bitcoin if you prefer to measure it that way. Not my best account, but one of my better ones.
[2016-02-25 19:53:19] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: was it a smaller exchange or one of the big ones
[2016-02-25 19:56:02] tscha : Tulip_stefan: how long was that time period?
[2016-02-25 19:56:24] cryptostephen : China bots turned on
[2016-02-25 19:56:35] Tulip_stefan : sept 14' to now.
[2016-02-25 19:57:52] Tulip_stefan : on top of my head it's probably the 10th biggest non china exchange, but i haven't seen much correlation between the volume on the exchange and the profits except that backtesting is much more accurate on big volume exchanges.
[2016-02-25 19:58:38] Tulip_stefan : It's harder to pick parameters right on exchanges that have only one trade every 3 minutes or so.
[2016-02-25 19:59:07] sleger : if you trade once a day your backtest should match prod almost 100%
[2016-02-25 19:59:47] cryptostephen : new highs china woohoo
[2016-02-25 19:59:49] cryptostephen : squeezeee
[2016-02-25 20:03:32] rapidtrades : sleger: he's talking about his MM bots
[2016-02-25 20:03:50] rapidtrades : cryptostephen: compared to what
[2016-02-25 20:04:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 253 @ 425.45
[2016-02-25 20:33:12] Tulip_stefan : sleger: I'm not so sure. Sometimes i see big differences between backtests and reality. I was supposed to make huge profits on hitbtc according to my backtester, but it didn't really work out and i only made like 1.5x over a few months. But i recently fixed a bug in my algorithm that made it less accurate on low volume exchanges.
[2016-02-25 20:35:04] Tulip_stefan : When i went to change my backtester, i actually discovered that my backtester contained a bug that does exactly the optimization that prevents the bug from happening.
[2016-02-25 20:38:36] Tulip_stefan : Only because i took some shortcuts to make backtesting faster.
[2016-02-25 20:39:33] cryptostephen : BitMex, i do like ur new UI
[2016-02-25 20:39:41] cryptostephen : just give us the info to the insurance fund
[2016-02-25 20:39:42] cryptostephen : lol
[2016-02-25 20:41:21] mrp1nk : hehe
[2016-02-25 20:47:30] mrp1nk : i read that bitmex was discussing to remove the trollbox. lol what?
[2016-02-25 20:48:14] mrp1nk : imo we are having some really nice hq discussion here. so plz don't do that
[2016-02-25 20:48:35] mrp1nk : *discussions
[2016-02-25 20:48:39] BTCDJS : So on the night I decide not to trade there's talk about a pump on Twitter and the chart looks positive. Wtf
[2016-02-25 20:48:51] mrp1nk : sauce?
[2016-02-25 20:49:24] sleger : ketchup ?
[2016-02-25 20:49:55] mrp1nk : you know what i mean
[2016-02-25 20:50:20] mrp1nk : BTCDJS: link?
[2016-02-25 20:51:06] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/thehalvening/status/702892196828065796
[2016-02-25 20:52:04] mrp1nk : fomo!
[2016-02-25 20:53:26] BTCDJS : I can't find the other link I had clicked on from notifications
[2016-02-25 20:56:26] BTCDJS : In other news Japan is making Bitcoin legal tender
[2016-02-25 20:57:03] mrp1nk : i saw that too
[2016-02-25 20:57:05] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/melt_dem/status/702741682786279424
[2016-02-25 20:58:32] mrp1nk : wrong link?
[2016-02-25 20:59:06] mrp1nk : you mean http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Japan-eyes-treating-bitcoins-the-same-as-real-money ?
[2016-02-25 20:59:07] BTCDJS : Nah that one was just interesting
[2016-02-25 21:01:25] BTCDJS : Will Bitcoin price raising hinder my profits in REP upon launch?
[2016-02-25 21:02:31] BTCDJS : Meaning I plan to convert REP to BTC on the first spike
[2016-02-25 21:07:33] mrp1nk : cryptostephen: .
[2016-02-25 21:07:49] BTCDJS : Sledge: do you know the answer?
[2016-02-25 21:08:33] BTCDJS : sledge:?
[2016-02-25 21:09:17] sleger : try again ?
[2016-02-25 21:09:50] BTCDJS : sleger:
[2016-02-25 21:10:04] sleger : Rest In Peace
[2016-02-25 21:10:05] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-25 21:10:58] mrp1nk : ask cryptostephen. i think he knows
[2016-02-25 21:11:08] BTCDJS : Howay fella. Impart some of you wisdom.
[2016-02-25 21:12:34] sleger : the answer is in your question
[2016-02-25 21:14:17] BTCDJS : So basically the price raising in Bitcoin couldn't make the REP price rise? People will be buying REP with Bitcoin after launch
[2016-02-25 21:16:16] sleger : noone will buy rep, nobody has heard of it
[2016-02-25 21:20:23] habibi : every single coin after eth build on it or clone with "new great features" will get pumped for sure, until there will be on that won't get pump
[2016-02-25 21:20:48] habibi : but yea hype on rep is pretty big so dont worry about ur invesment just wait until it pumps
[2016-02-25 21:21:13] j8 : bitcoin going up would probably be good for all crypto, in usd terms anyway. hard to speculate on how it would affect the ratio to btc
[2016-02-25 21:21:53] cryptostephen : whats up? someone have a question?
[2016-02-25 21:22:37] habibi : any bigger move on btc will make altcoins markets red, much more then btc % upside move :)
[2016-02-25 21:22:48] habibi : it repeats every single time
[2016-02-25 21:23:24] BTCDJS : I hope it launches and pumps quicker than BTC
[2016-02-25 21:23:57] BTCDJS : Joey krug reckons augur will launch in a few days
[2016-02-25 21:24:44] BTCDJS : cryptostephen: your. Thoughts on Rep mate?
[2016-02-25 21:25:03] BTCDJS : There's only 11m
[2016-02-25 21:25:09] mrp1nk : cryptostephen: your shitcoin expertise is required (no offense)
[2016-02-25 21:25:36] BTCDJS : it's already valued at 3.75 ish
[2016-02-25 21:26:42] cryptostephen : i wish i bought the ICO for Auger actually. i'm sure as hell not buying it on Gatecoin for 0.01/btc there is no value in that
[2016-02-25 21:27:15] cryptostephen : your best bet is to catch dumps when it hits exchanges. that isn't my specialty though, catching dumps of coins that have yet to make bottoms. it could just keep dumping.... or it could hold at a high price like Decred. u just don't know
[2016-02-25 21:27:28] BTCDJS : Currently it's got a 0.09 exchange rate with BTC
[2016-02-25 21:27:39] j8 : habibi: nov 2013 altcoins had massive pumps alongside btc
[2016-02-25 21:27:58] cryptostephen : but i am going to try to catch some dumps when it hits Bittrex probably. personally, i like buying coins that have been distributed and have relatively flat market structure. but i still played Decred when it hit exchanges and ill probably do the same for Auger
[2016-02-25 21:28:00] BTCDJS : I bought at crowd sale mate. Just waiting for launch
[2016-02-25 21:28:03] cryptostephen : i met Joey Krug in SF one time IRL
[2016-02-25 21:28:15] cryptostephen : they were telling me about Auger and i thought it was all smoke and mirrors
[2016-02-25 21:28:23] habibi : j8: yep, after first btc pump
[2016-02-25 21:30:02] BTCDJS : I'm hoping it pumps all the way to 0.13 at least
[2016-02-25 21:30:52] habibi : how many augur there will be? and whats the inflation?
[2016-02-25 21:31:01] BTCDJS : Sorry that's 0.013
[2016-02-25 21:31:12] BTCDJS : 11m
[2016-02-25 21:31:39] BTCDJS : It's not meant to be a currency
[2016-02-25 21:31:55] habibi : it all depends on distribution anyway, look at eth - 70 milion coins and maybe 5-7milions were only traded during that last one bubble
[2016-02-25 21:31:57] Tulip_stefan : It's meant to be a ... what?
[2016-02-25 21:32:01] BTCDJS : its only for speculation and will be on exchanges
[2016-02-25 21:32:28] Tulip_stefan : Could you fill me in on the augur stuff?
[2016-02-25 21:32:42] BTCDJS : Market making and speculation on augur
[2016-02-25 21:32:55] BTCDJS : im on iPhone typing is shit
[2016-02-25 21:34:08] BTCDJS : Augur.net
[2016-02-25 21:34:38] habibi : Tulip_stefan: https://app.augur.net/
[2016-02-25 21:34:49] BTCDJS : Decentralised market prediction platform
[2016-02-25 21:35:04] BTCDJS : Built on Ethereum
[2016-02-25 21:35:42] BTCDJS : habibi: did you buy rep at crowd sale?
[2016-02-25 21:36:09] habibi : nop, i dont like ico/ipo/crowsale/whatever
[2016-02-25 21:37:10] BTCDJS : Well during ether crowd sale if you spent 4btc you would've got 30+BTC return
[2016-02-25 21:38:55] cryptostephen : damn
[2016-02-25 21:38:59] cryptostephen : good ROI
[2016-02-25 21:39:03] cryptostephen : longest bagholders
[2016-02-25 21:39:31] BTCDJS : yeah that was only the first pump. imagine if you held it till this pump
[2016-02-25 21:39:48] BTCDJS : it was only 2,50 back then
[2016-02-25 21:40:00] BTCDJS : now it was 6.70
[2016-02-25 21:40:03] rapidtrades : it will be 2.5 again
[2016-02-25 21:40:22] thehawthorne : Imagination makes people buy something worthless
[2016-02-25 21:40:38] Tulip_stefan : BTCDJS: That makes me wonder. What's the average return like if you invested in all halfway promisable IPO's ?
[2016-02-25 21:40:50] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-25 21:41:06] Tulip_stefan : i'm sure most of them never went past the dump phase.
[2016-02-25 21:41:15] habibi : Tulip_stefan: 99% IPOs in crypto are loss/total loss/not even delivered product
[2016-02-25 21:41:16] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: good point but there are a lot of people are excited about augur
[2016-02-25 21:41:32] rapidtrades : habibi: that's true for the stock market as well
[2016-02-25 21:41:39] rapidtrades : prolly 80-90%
[2016-02-25 21:41:46] habibi : and the best thing about ipo is u can buy shitloads of coins by urself for free
[2016-02-25 21:41:51] thehawthorne : and that is why it will not act as predicted
[2016-02-25 21:41:53] habibi : if u are creator
[2016-02-25 21:41:57] Tulip_stefan : habibi: yeah that's what i thought too.
[2016-02-25 21:42:44] BTCDJS : i think all 11m coins were distributed to buyers at crowdsale
[2016-02-25 21:42:51] habibi : so u making impression that huge volume - people buying, so more people will buy, and u sell these coins for 100% value of ico one as well coz u are the one who can afford to sell at the start without problems
[2016-02-25 21:43:02] rapidtrades : what's clef....is it better security then google ath
[2016-02-25 21:43:24] Tulip_stefan : i actually calculated the 1-year returns from the top 10 a month ago. If you invested $1k in all of the top-10 alts then you would've performed worse than buy&hold BTC.
[2016-02-25 21:43:34] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: dude clef is fucking awesome. its so much quicker and very secure
[2016-02-25 21:43:50] Tulip_stefan : and that was a week after the ridiculous doge pump.
[2016-02-25 21:45:24] BTCDJS : and you don't have to create a username and password. any site with clef you can just enter.
[2016-02-25 21:45:25] habibi : Tulip_stefan: u making one very wrong assumption
[2016-02-25 21:45:39] BTCDJS : @rapidtrades
[2016-02-25 21:45:50] habibi : u buy altcoins to hold 1hour to max 1-3 months in very little cases
[2016-02-25 21:45:54] habibi : not 1 year at all
[2016-02-25 21:46:23] habibi : only people that dreaming about getting milionaires by repeating btc success are doing that long holds
[2016-02-25 21:46:42] habibi : which is pretty nice % of buyers anyway :D
[2016-02-25 21:48:42] rapidtrades : anyone else using clef
[2016-02-25 21:48:58] rapidtrades : if i lose my phone im f*cked right
[2016-02-25 21:49:09] thehawthorne : wtf is clef
[2016-02-25 21:49:16] thehawthorne : sounds like a dog on meth
[2016-02-25 21:49:19] rapidtrades : some faggy app
[2016-02-25 21:49:41] thehawthorne : auth app?
[2016-02-25 21:49:51] rapidtrades : looks like it, finex has it
[2016-02-25 21:50:07] thehawthorne : mhm.. haven't heard about it yet
[2016-02-25 21:50:14] BTCDJS : i got a new phone and forgot to switch my clef over before i got rid of it. but i found a way to move it to my new phone. I just can't remember exactly how i did it. @rapidtrades
[2016-02-25 21:50:37] rapidtrades : well that doesn't sound very secure
[2016-02-25 21:51:10] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: you have the password and shit. leave it alone mate its not for you
[2016-02-25 21:51:13] habibi : anyway spoke with Sam one day about clef, he wasnt too positive about that 2fa option
[2016-02-25 21:51:38] thehawthorne : CLEF CLEF
[2016-02-25 21:51:47] rapidtrades : yeah seems to be more of a convenience thing? anyone else used it?
[2016-02-25 21:52:00] habibi : i am buying this usb device, forgot name
[2016-02-25 21:53:12] BTCDJS : i only use it on augur and finex. never seen it on any other sites @rapidtrades
[2016-02-25 21:53:28] rapidtrades : augur? how's that
[2016-02-25 21:53:44] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-25 21:53:58] rapidtrades : never traded there
[2016-02-25 21:54:15] BTCDJS : Augur is not an exchange
[2016-02-25 21:54:27] rapidtrades : ah lol
[2016-02-25 21:55:13] rapidtrades : dam it's a lot harder to rollover my loans on finex...are ppl preparing to moon
[2016-02-25 21:55:31] rapidtrades : i did some at 0.023 yday
[2016-02-25 21:59:36] j8 : i think sam's issue with clef was that it depends on clef's servers
[2016-02-25 21:59:42] rapidtrades : who's bullish/bearish
[2016-02-25 21:59:51] thehawthorne : bull
[2016-02-25 22:00:02] habibi : he wasnt convinced to clef's team overall
[2016-02-25 22:00:35] habibi : not in position but bear, like some doom is coming to town
[2016-02-25 22:00:45] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-02-25 22:00:51] thehawthorne : huehuehue
[2016-02-25 22:01:33] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: bull
[2016-02-25 22:02:34] rapidtrades : yeah this chat is always bullish, dunno why i ask
[2016-02-25 22:02:44] mrp1nk : nah
[2016-02-25 22:02:56] rapidtrades : although 2/1 isn't as bullish as before
[2016-02-25 22:03:49] rapidtrades : it's unlikely we'll stabilize here...either up or down
[2016-02-25 22:04:10] rapidtrades : prolly up
[2016-02-25 22:05:37] mrp1nk : on the other side 2morrow is woodchipper settlement. don't know if price goes up before or dumps.
[2016-02-25 22:05:38] rapidtrades : last two days have been bullshit...no moves, no arbs, nothing
[2016-02-25 22:05:53] rapidtrades : mrp1nk: well it moves, that's for sure
[2016-02-25 22:06:01] mrp1nk : yea
[2016-02-25 22:06:20] rapidtrades : so we'll prolly break the deadlock in the new few hours
[2016-02-25 22:06:33] j8 : i don't really see it breaking up anytime soon
[2016-02-25 22:06:42] rapidtrades : oh it's gonna
[2016-02-25 22:07:16] mrp1nk : i bet up in the next 24 h
[2016-02-25 22:07:42] rapidtrades : up it's slightly more likely given the trend...but things look at lot worse then they did at 445 :)
[2016-02-25 22:08:41] j8 : by breaking up i mean 450+ and by soon i mean within a week
[2016-02-25 22:09:05] rapidtrades : oh we have to break it within a week imo..it's down if we don't
[2016-02-25 22:09:22] BTCDJS : I'm long M16 and small long 48H from 419
[2016-02-25 22:09:30] j8 : thats why i think the risk reward is better on a short
[2016-02-25 22:09:46] rapidtrades : guess we'll see :)
[2016-02-25 22:10:05] mrp1nk : ibankbitcoins is shorting
[2016-02-25 22:10:09] j8 : yeah, just guessing, i'm not even short just hedged
[2016-02-25 22:10:29] rapidtrades : mrp1nk: how's he doing lately? he was on a losing streak
[2016-02-25 22:10:43] rapidtrades : he shorted the nov rally lol
[2016-02-25 22:12:10] mrp1nk : hehe yeah
[2016-02-25 22:12:12] mrp1nk : http://ibankbitcoins.com/bitcoin-trade-performance
[2016-02-25 22:12:57] Tulip_stefan : he forgot to mention that he went bankrupt twice before that.
[2016-02-25 22:13:13] rapidtrades : that's part of learning
[2016-02-25 22:13:19] mrp1nk : before recording he's trades?
[2016-02-25 22:13:19] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: according to that he is long not short
[2016-02-25 22:13:31] rapidtrades : niceee....i like that guy
[2016-02-25 22:13:43] mrp1nk : https://twitter.com/ibankbitcoins/status/702711330755706880
[2016-02-25 22:14:08] mrp1nk : BTCDJS: this site shows only finished trades
[2016-02-25 22:14:20] mrp1nk : *that
[2016-02-25 22:14:29] BTCDJS : ah right
[2016-02-25 22:15:55] rapidtrades : although tbf, he can have weird ideas smtimes
[2016-02-25 22:18:12] rapidtrades : 167% cumulative performance is not that great for the past 1.5 yrs in bitcoin
[2016-02-25 22:18:13] tscha : f2pool under ddos attack after they said they will allow their miners to vote for classic
[2016-02-25 22:18:30] rapidtrades : NOONE CARES
[2016-02-25 22:18:44] rapidtrades : anyone involved in this debate should get DDOSed
[2016-02-25 22:19:20] rapidtrades : 167% with some losing trades of 8-9% is even less good
[2016-02-25 22:20:30] rapidtrades : he's flat since mar 05
[2016-02-25 22:20:40] rapidtrades : i mean breakeven
[2016-02-25 22:21:03] tscha : Everyone cares when the largest pool gets ddosed for a political decision
[2016-02-25 22:21:09] tscha : except you because you dont understand how bitcoin works
[2016-02-25 22:21:25] rapidtrades : i don't see anyone caring
[2016-02-25 22:21:55] Tulip_stefan : fuck american date formats on his site.
[2016-02-25 22:27:44] mrp1nk : hehe ya, i'm always wondering about the american date format. day in the middle?! why?
[2016-02-25 22:28:33] rapidtrades : yeah date month
[2016-02-25 22:28:37] rapidtrades : makes perfect sense
[2016-02-25 22:30:27] mrp1nk : you mean year-day-month
[2016-02-25 22:31:20] Tulip_stefan : it's actually month-day-year on his site.
[2016-02-25 22:32:17] rapidtrades : that's the usual format i think
[2016-02-25 22:32:22] j8 : should be year-month-day, and metric
[2016-02-25 22:32:24] mrp1nk : year-day-month or month-day-year look both weird in my european eyes
[2016-02-25 22:32:57] Tulip_stefan : I prefer year-month-date because it's the only format that sorts cleanly.
[2016-02-25 22:33:52] rapidtrades : QQ moar date faggots
[2016-02-25 22:34:18] tscha : having date in the middle is just stupid
[2016-02-25 22:34:37] mrp1nk : tscha: <- this guy got it
[2016-02-25 22:34:57] rapidtrades : yeah it's pretty stupid...been trading options lately and the format keeps confusing me
[2016-02-25 22:35:10] Tulip_stefan : QQ moar date faggot
[2016-02-25 22:36:01] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-25 22:36:18] tscha : its like having hours:seconds:minutes
[2016-02-25 22:36:21] tscha : totally idiotic
[2016-02-25 22:41:04] rapidtrades : is the margin funding page on finex glitchy? i constantly have to refresh to see the changes
[2016-02-25 22:44:56] j8 : it doesn't update by websocket like the trading page
[2016-02-25 22:45:37] j8 : it updates occasionally, yeah its annoying
[2016-02-25 22:49:11] rapidtrades : f finex
[2016-02-25 22:49:26] rapidtrades : with their laggy trading page and stale funding page
[2016-02-25 22:50:09] rapidtrades : they finally added that throttled button....after their shitty coding lagged the trading page to death
[2016-02-25 22:50:49] rapidtrades : worked fine before the update...just like bitmex
[2016-02-25 23:16:18] habibi : what are these bold black orders on white ui on recent trades?
[2016-02-25 23:16:58] habibi : anyway bold ones, on black as well
[2016-02-25 23:18:13] Tulip_stefan : I only see 1 bold order which is the most recent order
[2016-02-25 23:18:40] Tulip_stefan : they simply bold the last trade i guess?
[2016-02-25 23:18:58] habibi : ah right
[2016-02-25 23:21:33] mrp1nk : moon please
[2016-02-25 23:21:52] gustavo7 : is ETH dead?
[2016-02-25 23:30:28] mrp1nk : define dead
[2016-02-25 23:34:44] XBT_IHCT : is there any bitmex staff here atm?
[2016-02-25 23:38:03] gustavo7 : mrp1nk: 1 hour no trades
[2016-02-25 23:39:52] gustavo7 : knock knock
[2016-02-25 23:40:08] XBT_IHCT : I would like to know if there is a way for you to enable the realised pnl (big loss) on this account to persist beyond settlement tomorrow? This is on the eth 7 day instrument by the way. thank you.
[2016-02-25 23:41:31] gustavo7 : XBT_IHCT: you can look up the value in your wallet?
[2016-02-25 23:42:02] gustavo7 : "Transaction History"
[2016-02-25 23:42:31] mrp1nk : thats because eth itself didn't move much
[2016-02-25 23:43:05] gustavo7 : yeah it's a pretty nice triangle on poloniex
[2016-02-25 23:43:53] gustavo7 : breakout right now, good i closed my little short anyway
[2016-02-25 23:44:21] mrp1nk : just saw it too
[2016-02-25 23:45:03] tscha : XBT_IHCT: you mean the **un**realised pnl right? if you closed your position, the loss should be realized
[2016-02-25 23:46:28] XBT_IHCT : brb
[2016-02-26 00:04:30] XBT_IHCT : tscha: sorry i had food
[2016-02-26 00:04:51] XBT_IHCT : tscha: to answer you, no
[2016-02-26 00:06:15] XBT_IHCT : i mean the "Realised PNL" after you have closed your position
[2016-02-26 00:08:34] BitMEX_Wally : XBT_IHCT: At settlement all PNL becomes Realised PNL, and is subject to DPE (if any), then it is moved to your Wallet
[2016-02-26 00:08:38] tscha : in your position tab? why would you want to take that beyond settlement?
[2016-02-26 00:09:18] BitMEX_Wally : You will see a `CashSettlement` transaction in your wallet history for `ETH7D` with the amount of your PNL
[2016-02-26 00:09:23] XBT_IHCT : when you have made a large loss, your account is in a temporary state of what I think of as "recovery mode" where new profits you take on the same instrument will replenish your lost account balance right away rather than go into withheld profits. however after the instrument settles your opportunity to "recover" so to speak is also expired.
[2016-02-26 00:10:58] BitMEX_Wally : I see what you mean.
[2016-02-26 00:11:36] BitMEX_Wally : We unlock 50% of Realised PNL (so it is no longer withheld) every 8 hours or so
[2016-02-26 00:11:57] BitMEX_Wally : We are working on communicating this more clearly
[2016-02-26 00:12:22] XBT_IHCT : so my question was simply if there is any way to enable that "state" to persist beyond settlement tomorrow
[2016-02-26 00:12:33] BitMEX_Wally : XBT_IHCT: The simple answer is no
[2016-02-26 00:19:24] XBT_IHCT : that's a real shame
[2016-02-26 00:19:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 11 @ 423.08
[2016-02-26 00:20:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 455 @ 422.41
[2016-02-26 00:20:43] XBT_IHCT : it would be a very nice idea to enable that by default, so that traders who make a contribution of equity to the system, via loss, have a better chance to recover that loss.
[2016-02-26 00:21:35] habibi : thats not working like that. for ur loss there is profit
[2016-02-26 00:22:27] XBT_IHCT : habibi: not so - look at the math and think about it
[2016-02-26 00:24:00] XBT_IHCT : what i mean by that is it could be but it is not necessarily so that's all
[2016-02-26 00:24:43] tscha : XBT_IHCT: The system would be flawed if they allowed that. You made a loss now, but someone else a profit. They withdraw the profit tomorrow at 12:00 UTC. Imagine you could take your loss beyond settlement date and make a profit tomorrow (after settlement) because the market had a HUGE drop (many liquidations = dpe) so that you are net-even . Then your funds are not subject to dpe (although they should be).
[2016-02-26 00:26:11] habibi : so only option is to make some inside deals between users that want to hold position, both, u with loss and someone with profit on equal position.
[2016-02-26 00:26:14] habibi : imo*
[2016-02-26 00:30:02] tscha : So the person with profit would charge a fee to take that deal. That would essentially be lending your money for a determined fee. The risk this person takes is possible DPE in the next trading period. Don't think there is a market for that though.
[2016-02-26 00:33:22] j8 : bitmex DPE swaps
[2016-02-26 00:35:04] XBT_IHCT : what if your entry price is lower than the price you sell at to me, but I then sell back to you for a higher amount again... where is the profit coming from if we both take profit?
[2016-02-26 00:36:04] XBT_IHCT : or another way of thinking of it is simply the reverse of a dpe even equation
[2016-02-26 00:39:00] j8 : don't understand what you're saying at all
[2016-02-26 00:40:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 60 @ 421.54
[2016-02-26 00:40:33] XBT_IHCT : maybe i don'y get it but it seems to me like your profit or loss is a function of your price delta, nothing else but that's dynamic
[2016-02-26 00:41:43] XBT_IHCT : also
[2016-02-26 00:41:49] j8 : XBT_IHCT: yes but that's your profit on paper, you don't know until the end of the week if there will be dpe on that
[2016-02-26 00:42:18] habibi : for every profit there is loss
[2016-02-26 00:42:20] habibi : zero sum game
[2016-02-26 00:42:23] habibi : - fees :D
[2016-02-26 00:42:29] habibi : minus fees* :)
[2016-02-26 00:42:59] j8 : if you could carry your loss without settling it, someone else wouldn't be able to withdraw their profit, otherwise it's possible there wouldn't be enough equity in the system
[2016-02-26 00:45:43] gustavo7 : well said
[2016-02-26 00:50:21] XBT_IHCT : well I must have made a mistake that's all...
[2016-02-26 00:50:33] XBT_IHCT : too bad
[2016-02-26 00:52:01] zanza : https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/47ij8k/the_xiaomi_mi_5_supports_24_lte_bands_compatible/
[2016-02-26 00:52:13] zanza : IPhone/Samsung killer
[2016-02-26 01:04:58] habibi : not that much, xiaomi has tons of bugs in software and as more they are keeping out patches/updates the more new bugs happens
[2016-02-26 01:05:33] habibi : so its not about nice hardware/great battery.. but about good software/ optimized os, thats why apple took that big success
[2016-02-26 01:05:59] zanza : it has the same CPU as Galaxy S7, but the price is starting at like 220 EUR
[2016-02-26 01:06:08] zanza : comes with Marshmallow Android 6.0
[2016-02-26 01:06:48] zanza : Xiami has a lot of custom ROM development also if you like Cyanogen
[2016-02-26 01:07:28] zanza : Galaxy S7 will be like 700 EUR starting
[2016-02-26 01:07:56] zanza : what do you have now habibi?
[2016-02-26 01:18:48] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2990 @ 420.05
[2016-02-26 01:20:21] habibi : lg g3, but lookin for a good device from china friends
[2016-02-26 01:20:39] habibi : wondering about xiaomi/letv and some others
[2016-02-26 01:47:27] rapidtrades : apparently selling the dollar is the new thing right now
[2016-02-26 01:47:56] rapidtrades : cos the Fed will set negative interest rates at full employment
[2016-02-26 01:48:28] habibi : anyway deflation=increase on value of dollar?
[2016-02-26 01:51:45] rapidtrades : there is no deflation in US
[2016-02-26 01:52:39] rapidtrades : usually deflation tends to weaken a currency because the central bank is less likely to hike rates or may cut them instead
[2016-02-26 01:52:59] habibi : yea but negative rates dont leads to deflation?
[2016-02-26 01:53:59] rapidtrades : no, in theory negative rates should spur lending and this increase money in circulation>more inflation
[2016-02-26 01:54:41] rapidtrades : in practice, neg rates or QE have failed to spur meaningful inflation
[2016-02-26 02:02:54] habibi : seems logical and right:)
[2016-02-26 02:04:34] rapidtrades : that was prolly the low of the day down there at 418.50
[2016-02-26 02:05:07] j8 : the old thursday shakeout
[2016-02-26 02:06:28] rapidtrades : okc settlement in 6 hrs....bound to have some action
[2016-02-26 02:29:02] cryptostephen : u gys liquidated me lol
[2016-02-26 02:29:11] cryptostephen : such chop
[2016-02-26 03:45:51] viptrader : ETH should dump really hard soon
[2016-02-26 03:46:51] adlai : testing testing does this troll on
[2016-02-26 03:47:27] adlai : /topic needs updating!
[2016-02-26 03:47:39] adlai : so which is the better trollbox - onsite or here?
[2016-02-26 03:47:51] habibi : viptrader: u know u are reverse indicator here already?
[2016-02-26 03:48:19] habibi : so as i have short on eth i started to worried when u said that
[2016-02-26 03:48:26] adlai : ahahahaha they're connected. amazing.
[2016-02-26 03:48:47] viptrader : habibi: im not short since 0.0154
[2016-02-26 03:48:49] viptrader : whatever bro
[2016-02-26 03:50:10] viptrader : i would say dump ur ETH before its too late
[2016-02-26 03:50:19] viptrader : this time we are going very fast down
[2016-02-26 03:51:28] habibi : i dont have any. thanks for care
[2016-02-26 04:58:39] zanza : habibi: try the new Xiami Mi 5, since it supports international LTE bands its compatible outside China
[2016-02-26 04:59:08] zanza : also, its fairly inexpensive for 2016 level smartphone
[2016-02-26 05:03:18] viptrader : Eth massive dumped
[2016-02-26 05:03:20] viptrader : started
[2016-02-26 05:03:25] viptrader : down to 0.011
[2016-02-26 05:04:32] viptrader : dump that shit
[2016-02-26 05:10:51] zanza : Eth is pure bubble imo
[2016-02-26 06:25:01] greensonic_04 : hi how to closed order here cant see any botton?
[2016-02-26 06:29:54] BitMEX_Wally : greensonic_04: If you are long then sell
[2016-02-26 06:31:21] BitMEX_Wally : Or you can select "Close Market" from the order drop down
[2016-02-26 06:47:22] greensonic_04 : cant see market closed huhuhu
[2016-02-26 06:58:59] BitMEX_Wally : greensonic_04: what options do you see in the "Place [xxx] Order" drop down?
[2016-02-26 07:44:03] BitMEX_Arthur : It settled at 8821.18 check the settlements page
[2016-02-26 07:44:13] BitMEX_Arthur : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-02-26 07:48:38] chromaticcr : oh.. rounding on trade histroy page. Value is correct, thx
[2016-02-26 07:53:03] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 304 @ 425.62
[2016-02-26 07:53:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 700 @ 425.65
[2016-02-26 08:03:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 48 @ 426.85
[2016-02-26 08:14:09] rapidtrades : morning fellas
[2016-02-26 08:20:25] rapidtrades : I like this mini-pump
[2016-02-26 08:23:04] rapidtrades : march now at only $14 premium
[2016-02-26 08:25:43] rapidtrades : interesting that the premium got squeezed by spot rallying and not so much by time decay
[2016-02-26 10:31:22] habibi : zanza: other version supports lte bands that are provided in poland so no problem for me
[2016-02-26 10:53:21] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: mark price stucked for eth
[2016-02-26 11:02:09] Tulip_stefan : if you think that then you're missing the point of the mark price i think. When exactly did the mark price suck?
[2016-02-26 11:03:48] habibi : thank u for ur cooperation Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-26 11:03:58] habibi : but mark price on eth7 is taken from spot price from poloniex
[2016-02-26 11:04:12] habibi : and if its not before 30 minutes to settlement it should be exacly the same as polo price
[2016-02-26 11:05:33] Tulip_stefan : the mark price is not used in the settlement. The mark price is only used to calculate when to margin call someone.
[2016-02-26 11:06:05] habibi : ofc! but what if mark price = settlement price all the time?
[2016-02-26 11:06:47] Tulip_stefan : then you'll get liquidated when some idiot places a large market order on polo creating a flash crash.
[2016-02-26 11:06:56] habibi : ok its 2hour swap, so 2 hour before settlement its locked in, strange that mark price is also locked in
[2016-02-26 11:07:41] Tulip_stefan : i'd just ignore the mark price inless you're close to getting margin called.
[2016-02-26 11:09:01] habibi : Tulip_stefan: not really, they dont catch dips like price hit yesterday to 0.01145 and it wasnt even noticed here, price need to stay for few seconds or sth to be noticed by bitmex
[2016-02-26 11:10:21] Tulip_stefan : that does not matter unless you're close to getting margin called. The mark price follows the trades on bitmex, not on polo afaik.
[2016-02-26 11:10:39] habibi : normally yes, not on eth contracts
[2016-02-26 11:11:02] habibi : look after settlement on eth and compare polo price to mark
[2016-02-26 11:15:28] Tulip_stefan : afaik that's exactly how it's supposed to work. I'm still confused why anyone with proper risk management would care about mark price.
[2016-02-26 11:16:17] habibi : i only care coz its same as settlement price. so wanted to know why it wasnt moving, didnt notice its 2h period,not 30m
[2016-02-26 11:17:02] rapidtrades : yeah weekly are 2h
[2016-02-26 11:17:29] rapidtrades : still weird that settl=mark
[2016-02-26 11:17:51] rapidtrades : that's not how it works for btc settlement here
[2016-02-26 11:18:44] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price during the 2 hour calculation period is the incremental TWAP
[2016-02-26 11:18:47] BitMEX_Wally : i.e. the indicative settlement price
[2016-02-26 11:18:58] BitMEX_Wally : Why is that weird?
[2016-02-26 11:19:15] rapidtrades : that's not how it works for bitcoin weeklies here
[2016-02-26 11:19:37] habibi : so basically during whole week mark price= settlement price
[2016-02-26 11:19:48] BitMEX_Wally : Well, no
[2016-02-26 11:19:54] BitMEX_Wally : During the whole week you do not know what the settlement price will be
[2016-02-26 11:20:12] BitMEX_Wally : So during the week mark price = fair price = indicative settlement price + basis
[2016-02-26 11:20:21] BitMEX_Wally : Where indicative settle price is just the last traded price of the underlying index
[2016-02-26 11:22:05] BitMEX_Wally : except during the last 2 hours where it is a TWAP of the underlying index
[2016-02-26 11:34:02] mrp1nk : BitMEX_Wally: the currently expected settlement price on the XBT24H contract is 424.14, right?
[2016-02-26 11:34:34] mrp1nk : 424.18
[2016-02-26 11:34:35] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, that's the best prediction so far
[2016-02-26 11:35:12] BitMEX_Wally : Based on 5 out of 30 samples so far
[2016-02-26 11:36:08] mrp1nk : ok, so the settlement price at 11:59:59.9999 will be used to liquidate the open contracts, right?
[2016-02-26 11:36:35] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, all open positions will be closed at the settlement price
[2016-02-26 11:36:44] mrp1nk : ok, thx, got it
[2016-02-26 11:37:25] BitMEX_Wally : The mark price and indicative settle price will converge onto the settlement price
[2016-02-26 11:44:40] viptrader : ETH sould dump hard soon
[2016-02-26 11:48:23] Johnny1989 : why my realised PNL alaway = 0.0000 XBT when i buy or sell ( 5 or 10 Quantity ) alaway that
[2016-02-26 11:49:15] rapidtrades : too small value to show decimals
[2016-02-26 11:49:25] rapidtrades : try turning on milibits or whatever
[2016-02-26 11:49:51] habibi : viptrader: u are definitely same nick guy on polo
[2016-02-26 11:50:05] Johnny1989 : thank u@rapidtrades how to on milibits ? can u teach me ?
[2016-02-26 11:50:12] rapidtrades : no
[2016-02-26 11:50:56] BitMEX_Wally : Johnny1989: Top right, click on your name
[2016-02-26 11:51:03] BitMEX_Wally : Then under Currency Display
[2016-02-26 11:51:26] BitMEX_Wally : If you open a position you won't have much realised PNL until you close it
[2016-02-26 11:51:27] Johnny1989 : BitMEX_Wally: TY
[2016-02-26 11:51:40] rapidtrades : that may not fix his issue...I think he's talking about the values next to open positions
[2016-02-26 11:51:51] BitMEX_Wally : Or until it settles (which is in 10 minutes time)
[2016-02-26 11:51:54] rapidtrades : about the fees/credit basically
[2016-02-26 11:52:26] rapidtrades : Johnny1989: check under trading history for those, they're usually small values
[2016-02-26 11:53:11] Johnny1989 : I want to test this web :D i don't know how to trade this style :D
[2016-02-26 11:53:34] rapidtrades : just use 1 contract until u get it :)
[2016-02-26 11:54:05] BitMEX_Wally : 5 contracts is worth 0.0212 Bitcoin
[2016-02-26 12:00:41] chromaticcr : thanks for whoever the freak spam my notification with 1qty orders
[2016-02-26 12:01:03] rapidtrades : chromaticcr: how do u get notifications
[2016-02-26 12:01:25] habibi : he got ask that was hitted by 1qty spam
[2016-02-26 12:01:27] chromaticcr : Account > Account Info > My prefrences > Site notifications
[2016-02-26 12:01:40] chromaticcr : Order partially Filled [v]
[2016-02-26 13:54:02] Tulip_stefan : boring friday.
[2016-02-26 13:56:00] tscha : Tulip_stefan: you don't have to work today?
[2016-02-26 13:57:36] Tulip_stefan : i usually take off in friday because i have too much days off from last year leftover.
[2016-02-26 14:06:07] tscha : happy weekend then :)
[2016-02-26 14:57:38] davidjames : buy more bitcoins
[2016-02-26 14:59:24] sleger : still waiting for 4.4
[2016-02-26 15:05:09] davidjames : its going to happen real soon
[2016-02-26 15:06:19] sleger : when ?
[2016-02-26 15:11:59] davidjames : if i get my team on it sat, then well make the market after it gets to 4.27
[2016-02-26 15:13:47] Tulip_stefan : Are you all-in yet?
[2016-02-26 15:14:33] davidjames : who are you speaking to ? @Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-26 15:14:34] sleger : davidjames: I wish you had tips on penny stocks instead of bitcoin
[2016-02-26 15:15:06] davidjames : i used to run an opp on penny stocks 4 years ago
[2016-02-26 15:15:30] sleger : another "legal" pump and dump scheme
[2016-02-26 15:15:44] sleger : with a "team" in "NYC" that speaks broken english ?
[2016-02-26 15:25:35] rapidtrades : it's a good day to be a bull fellas
[2016-02-26 15:25:49] arbitrage001 : still shorting
[2016-02-26 15:26:00] arbitrage001 : down down
[2016-02-26 15:26:18] rapidtrades : lol good luck
[2016-02-26 15:26:51] arbitrage001 : sideline is good also
[2016-02-26 15:30:07] rapidtrades : 144 btc buy on finex
[2016-02-26 15:31:38] arbitrage001 : why 144 buy?
[2016-02-26 15:31:52] arbitrage001 : and not 144 sell?
[2016-02-26 15:32:13] rapidtrades : cos that's how much smone bought at once, stupid
[2016-02-26 15:32:28] rapidtrades : oh sry, i thought u were that pump&dump guy
[2016-02-26 15:32:33] sleger : it's market convention
[2016-02-26 15:32:46] sleger : we say side of taker
[2016-02-26 15:32:57] arbitrage001 : i see
[2016-02-26 15:33:21] sleger : maybe you meant to have the username arbitrage101 ?
[2016-02-26 15:33:36] arbitrage001 : 001
[2016-02-26 15:33:44] sleger : i think you didnt get the joke
[2016-02-26 15:33:56] rapidtrades : it didn't move price much...i think there's a hidden wall at 426.50
[2016-02-26 15:34:04] rapidtrades : why that price...who the f knows
[2016-02-26 15:34:49] sleger : cut my long for now
[2016-02-26 15:41:24] rapidtrades : i see US gdp surprised to the upside...what a shock
[2016-02-26 15:42:16] rapidtrades : guess low oil won't sink the economy after all /s
[2016-02-26 15:44:45] arbitrage001 : low oil sink oil producing country
[2016-02-26 15:45:02] arbitrage001 : i am living here
[2016-02-26 15:45:10] rapidtrades : which one
[2016-02-26 15:45:14] arbitrage001 : won't believe how much the currenccy depreciate
[2016-02-26 15:45:21] arbitrage001 : malaysia
[2016-02-26 15:45:32] rapidtrades : woah...didn't know u drilled
[2016-02-26 15:46:06] arbitrage001 : low oil price couple with bad corruption
[2016-02-26 15:46:25] arbitrage001 : race riot going to erupt anytime
[2016-02-26 15:47:16] rapidtrades : countries with a lot of natural resources usually have shitty governments...no need to please the ppl when u can just drill money from the ground
[2016-02-26 15:48:10] arbitrage001 : saudi tries to please the population
[2016-02-26 15:48:22] arbitrage001 : they have reverse tax
[2016-02-26 15:48:49] arbitrage001 : here in malaysia, the government steals from local
[2016-02-26 15:49:07] arbitrage001 : tax, toll fee, electricity fee
[2016-02-26 15:49:57] rapidtrades : dam that sucks
[2016-02-26 15:56:32] rapidtrades : the Euro is having a mini-meltdown
[2016-02-26 15:58:37] arbitrage001 : rapidtrades: you do anything else beside trading?
[2016-02-26 15:58:47] arbitrage001 : gambling
[2016-02-26 15:59:13] Tulip_stefan : arbitrage001: that depends on how you define stealing. I pay taxes too, government uses it to build roads, health service and social security for when your employer kicks the bucket. You're free to move to low-tax countries if you prefer.
[2016-02-26 15:59:23] rapidtrades : nah some poker for fun
[2016-02-26 16:02:17] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: that's hilarious...imagine if exxon forced everyone to buy their oil and when u complain they'll say, move to X, oil is cheaper there
[2016-02-26 16:03:52] Tulip_stefan : Well if your government allows such extortion techniques i would follow their advice and move elsewhere.
[2016-02-26 16:04:27] arbitrage001 : Tulip_stefan: http://www.newsweek.com/malaysia-prime-minister-accused-pocketing-700-million-slams-report-political-349854
[2016-02-26 16:04:50] arbitrage001 : Tulip_stefan: do you know how hard it is to migrate from one country to another?
[2016-02-26 16:05:51] Tulip_stefan : arbitrage001: you should've mentioned you where talking about corrupt governments, not taxes. The taxes are not the problem, the people on the top who pay themselves millions are.
[2016-02-26 16:06:19] arbitrage001 : they increase tax to pay down bad debt
[2016-02-26 16:06:33] arbitrage001 : bad debt which involved stealing
[2016-02-26 16:07:10] Tulip_stefan : arbitrage001: that depends on where you live i guess. My parents are migrating somewhere else and it doesn't seem all that hard if you are willing to fill out the paperwork and are not in debt.
[2016-02-26 16:08:09] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: where u from
[2016-02-26 16:08:20] Tulip_stefan : netherlands.
[2016-02-26 16:08:25] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-26 16:08:35] rapidtrades : going to canada?
[2016-02-26 16:08:47] arbitrage001 : people from 1st world have no idea what people from 3rd world have to deal with on a daily basis
[2016-02-26 16:08:54] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: exactly
[2016-02-26 16:08:55] Tulip_stefan : No moving within the EU to a country with more sun-days.
[2016-02-26 16:09:12] rapidtrades : ur kidding right...that's not the same thing @Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-26 16:09:15] Tulip_stefan : yeah probably.
[2016-02-26 16:09:56] rapidtrades : this guy thinks the world is the EU
[2016-02-26 16:10:24] rapidtrades : arbitrage001: dude just hop on a plane and move to japan...fill out some paperwork and ur done
[2016-02-26 16:10:30] arbitrage001 : reason why EU and US will fade away in the next few decadeds
[2016-02-26 16:11:23] arbitrage001 : most of the actions are in asia now
[2016-02-26 16:12:29] sleger : actions ?
[2016-02-26 16:12:53] arbitrage001 : trade and international commerce
[2016-02-26 16:13:27] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: Not that easy to move to japan. You'll need to work for a company that is willing to file out the necessary paperwork. That probably isn't going to happen unless you happen to speak japanese and work in IT or something. You can't just 'move to japan, fill out some paperwork' and live there.
[2016-02-26 16:14:16] Tulip_stefan : I did my research :P
[2016-02-26 16:14:26] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: no shit, that's how it's for most places
[2016-02-26 16:15:15] Tulip_stefan : "dude just hop on a plane and move to japan...fill out some paperwork and ur done " yup...
[2016-02-26 16:15:24] sleger : arbitrage001: so for you most of the world gdp is in asia now ? lol
[2016-02-26 16:15:33] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: not a fan of sarcasm huh
[2016-02-26 16:15:51] Tulip_stefan : no.
[2016-02-26 16:15:57] arbitrage001 : china alone become largest importer and exporter a few years ago
[2016-02-26 16:16:00] sleger : it's like when i called tscha out with his own quotes, just admit it rapid ;)
[2016-02-26 16:16:55] sleger : arbitrage001: ok so the action is where you can buy 1$ tshirt and 50$ fake vuitton bags, cool
[2016-02-26 16:17:52] arbitrage001 : sleger: used to sell low quality goods, that is no longer the case
[2016-02-26 16:18:35] arbitrage001 : sleger: dont forget many of the bitcoin ASIC manfactures are from china
[2016-02-26 16:20:06] sleger : yes and bitcoin is so important in global economy
[2016-02-26 16:20:54] arbitrage001 : the foundation needed to support ASIC industry is
[2016-02-26 16:21:12] sleger : ASIC is relevant in global economy ?
[2016-02-26 16:21:42] Tulip_stefan : Asics are pretty popular in embedded stuff.