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[2016-02-25 05:04:09] j8 : heh, maybe a bit dark
[2016-02-25 05:05:03] micmix : ok, I'll try for something funny
[2016-02-25 05:11:07] zeropoint : Micmix: sorry to be the sensitive sally and thx for considering an emoji thats a bit lighter
[2016-02-25 05:11:44] micmix : zeropoint: no problem, I agree that it's a bit over the top
[2016-02-25 05:12:35] micmix : :slot_machine:
[2016-02-25 05:18:56] micmix : ok, changed it
[2016-02-25 05:33:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 285 @ 421.27
[2016-02-25 05:56:47] chromaticcr : :shipit:
[2016-02-25 06:20:38] ctpact : where I can find "crossover" check from "old" interface??
[2016-02-25 06:21:32] jung1 : you cant
[2016-02-25 06:22:01] ctpact : what? why?
[2016-02-25 06:25:11] jung1 : sam said that its not possible to bring back old interface
[2016-02-25 06:25:22] jung1 : so you have to get use to it
[2016-02-25 06:30:52] AudibleScience : morning gents
[2016-02-25 06:31:15] AudibleScience : chromaticcr: are you a web guy?
[2016-02-25 06:33:38] jung1 : morning
[2016-02-25 06:34:24] ctpact : hmm interesting...
[2016-02-25 06:34:37] AudibleScience : <img class="emoji" src="/img/emoji/shipit.png">
[2016-02-25 06:36:10] AudibleScience : src="/img/emoji/shipit.png"
[2016-02-25 06:36:14] AudibleScience : lol
[2016-02-25 06:36:30] jung1 : hackerman
[2016-02-25 06:36:35] AudibleScience : chromaticcr: haha how did you do that?
[2016-02-25 06:37:33] AudibleScience : anyone in eth atm?
[2016-02-25 06:37:40] chromaticcr : http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/ just paste those emoji text tag \:shipit\:
[2016-02-25 06:38:10] chromaticcr : ChinaA50 = :toilet:
[2016-02-25 06:38:49] jung1 : Igo eth or go home
[2016-02-25 06:40:37] AudibleScience : :musical_note:
[2016-02-25 06:43:40] jung1 : gifs work here too?
[2016-02-25 06:46:06] AudibleScience : :+1:
[2016-02-25 07:29:53] jung1 : http://poll.spectrocoin.com free virtual debit cards from spectrocoin with multiple currencies
[2016-02-25 07:29:58] jung1 : #protip
[2016-02-25 07:35:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1100 @ 424.28
[2016-02-25 08:26:17] jung1 : so whats your bets about btc guys?
[2016-02-25 08:26:22] jung1 : 30 or 20?
[2016-02-25 08:37:12] tscha : yees my transaction finally was confirmed... after 42 hours
[2016-02-25 08:39:09] jung1 : add more fee
[2016-02-25 08:39:12] jung1 : next time'
[2016-02-25 08:46:30] tscha : jung1: I had 0.0003 BTC
[2016-02-25 08:46:51] jung1 : which wallet?
[2016-02-25 08:47:23] tscha : bitmex... for some reason the transaction was over 8kb
[2016-02-25 08:48:43] tscha : the last withdrawal I did was 600 bytes, now 8kb+
[2016-02-25 08:49:12] jung1 : strange
[2016-02-25 08:50:57] tscha : Looked it up later, the suggested fee (fast confirmation) for a transaction with this size is 0.0036 btc, which is ~7x the amount suggested in the withdrawal box
[2016-02-25 08:55:54] tscha : I think transaction size varying by so much has something to do with the P2SH multisig addresses bitmex uses, but dont know any details... maybe wally/sam can explain later
[2016-02-25 09:43:46] micmix : tscha: probably big withdrawal coming from 10+ multisig addresses
[2016-02-25 09:46:09] tscha : micmix: You are right. It was 15 addresses. But withdrawal wasnt that big. I had bigger withdrawals before with only 1-2 addresses signed.
[2016-02-25 09:46:38] tscha : forget the word "signed" here, doesnt make sense
[2016-02-25 09:48:18] tscha : Ah okay, now I get it. Still weird that sometimes it needs 15+ addresses for a small-medium transaction.
[2016-02-25 09:49:27] micmix : not sure what wallet they are using, most likely wallet software doesn't optimize transaction size. if you need like 10 coins it doesn't make sense to take from 15 addresses that only have small amounts
[2016-02-25 09:53:05] BitMEX_Wally : In general we try and process a withdrawal from the user's deposit address. This is why sometimes we use a large number of utxo and the transaction is big
[2016-02-25 09:53:41] BitMEX_Wally : So it wasn't 15 addresses but 15 unspent deposits to the darn address
[2016-02-25 09:54:43] BitMEX_Wally : *same address
[2016-02-25 09:55:32] micmix : yeah, if someone makes lots of small deposits you'll get huge transaction when spending all those outputs
[2016-02-25 09:55:33] tscha : Unless you are profitable and your withdrawals cant be funded by your deposits, then logically you have to get the funds from other addresses
[2016-02-25 09:59:40] tscha : Maybe you can look at the transaction wally and check if this is intented, because then I might need to put a fee of 0.002 or more next time. i'll send you transaction ID per mail, gotta go brb.
[2016-02-25 11:27:39] rapidtrades : good morning fellas
[2016-02-25 11:50:55] elmorte : What's good about it?
[2016-02-25 12:00:35] mrp1nk : morning, any thoughts when the eth pump is over?
[2016-02-25 12:01:17] rapidtrades : after lunch
[2016-02-25 12:44:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT48H`: Sell 2000 @ 422.28
[2016-02-25 12:52:42] rapidtrades : rly...down after all that fomo
[2016-02-25 13:10:43] habibi : highest volume finex, almost lowest influence on index
[2016-02-25 13:10:53] habibi : lovely tradeblock
[2016-02-25 13:28:55] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 300 @ 422.80
[2016-02-25 13:41:08] arbitrage001 : buy after rally and sell after dump
[2016-02-25 13:41:23] arbitrage001 : seem to work well recently
[2016-02-25 13:41:43] arbitrage001 : opps
[2016-02-25 13:41:52] arbitrage001 : i mean sell after rally and buy after dump
[2016-02-25 13:56:22] j8 : last time i withdrew i tried to withdraw exactly the amount of my last deposit, so it would use 1 input... but i forgot about the fee and it used a second one just for the fee :(
[2016-02-25 14:43:48] davidjames : anyone want insiderinfo on price changes email me at gbides@hotmail.com
[2016-02-25 14:44:00] sleger : yeah because it worked so well yesterday ?
[2016-02-25 14:46:53] davidjames : our team have a hedge fund join it and email me at gbides@hotmail.com are hedge fund consists of only cryptocurrency assets
[2016-02-25 14:48:03] rapidtrades : if u had a hedge fund regulated in any reputable jurisdiction, you'd know that this type is soliciting is illegal
[2016-02-25 14:48:15] mrp1nk : davidjames: first deliver some appetizer info or it never happened#
[2016-02-25 14:48:57] sleger : he did yesterday, he said there was a pump and dump of 40 points planned, but it did not happen
[2016-02-25 14:49:29] davidjames : sleger: no i said their was a price pump and dump that heppend 2 days ago check the prices it did
[2016-02-25 14:49:54] davidjames : and soliciting its called promoting
[2016-02-25 14:50:05] davidjames : and were not a normal hedge fund
[2016-02-25 14:50:05] rapidtrades : we can't make money on a pump/dump two days ago chump
[2016-02-25 14:50:06] sleger : so now you're saying you said it after it happened ?
[2016-02-25 14:50:18] sleger : well thanks, we all have eyes and stupid charts
[2016-02-25 14:50:20] gouda : Lol
[2016-02-25 14:50:39] rapidtrades : ''davidjames: and were not a normal hedge fund ''
[2016-02-25 14:50:44] rapidtrades : that tells u all u need to know
[2016-02-25 14:50:51] davidjames : i told you to email me ill give yopu the next pump and dump time
[2016-02-25 14:51:25] rapidtrades : let's put it this way, we think that the energy it would take us to do that is not worth it
[2016-02-25 14:52:02] davidjames : well then good luck losing money
[2016-02-25 14:52:04] sleger : davidjames: "2016-02-24T15:05:14.225Z","user":"davidjames","message":"based on current comments from major cyptocurrency exechanges ive been talking through back channels 2 days ago their was a 40$ price pump and dump their going to be another one very soon"
[2016-02-25 14:52:45] sleger : davidjames: "2016-02-24T15:07:34.167Z","user":"davidjames","message":"price of bitcoin will be 440.00 very soon"
[2016-02-25 14:53:08] davidjames : it will be soon email me and ill tell you when soon does not mean right away
[2016-02-25 14:53:14] rapidtrades : davidjames: if there's a pump, i wont be losing money, chump
[2016-02-25 14:53:38] davidjames : yes you will because youll be on the ass end of it
[2016-02-25 14:53:41] sleger : if its a pump and dump the price will end up at the same price we wont be losing money
[2016-02-25 14:53:54] rapidtrades : yeah what he said
[2016-02-25 14:54:01] sleger : davidjames: even habibi sounds smarter than you !
[2016-02-25 14:54:14] rapidtrades : davidjames: your mom is always on the ass end of it
[2016-02-25 14:55:38] davidjames : when the price goes up to 4.40 and you wont be on it and you miss your chance ill be saying go fuck yourself
[2016-02-25 14:56:05] sleger : im already long
[2016-02-25 14:56:50] davidjames : dont go long
[2016-02-25 14:57:08] sleger : but its going to 440 so why not ?
[2016-02-25 14:58:03] davidjames : dont do long trust me or dont i dont care ill be in when it happens
[2016-02-25 14:59:32] mrp1nk : davidjames: Is this your site http://btctrading.club/ ?
[2016-02-25 14:59:53] davidjames : no
[2016-02-25 15:01:04] rapidtrades : price is going to 440 but don't go long, trust me
[2016-02-25 15:01:19] habibi : davidjames: chopping is what u calling inside info even after the fact?
[2016-02-25 15:01:45] habibi : sleger: not even funny
[2016-02-25 15:02:47] altcoinsdotin : Blood in the streed DavidJames REKT 10000000000 Contracts
[2016-02-25 15:03:04] altcoinsdotin : Chop Suey DavidJames REKT 100000000000000000000 Contracts
[2016-02-25 15:03:05] davidjames : Listen, we're going to pump it to 440 and then sell. Get with the program or get left behind.
[2016-02-25 15:03:27] altcoinsdotin : Blood in the street David James BUTTHURT REKT 10000000000 COntract liquidation
[2016-02-25 15:03:41] arbitrage001 : still shortin 25k june contracct
[2016-02-25 15:03:41] davidjames : email me @altcoinsdotin
[2016-02-25 15:03:45] altcoinsdotin : Chop Suey REKT DAVID JAMES REKT on INSIDER INFO 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[2016-02-25 15:03:50] altcoinsdotin : contract
[2016-02-25 15:04:16] altcoinsdotin : blood in the streets david james REKT shorting ETH 1000000 contracts
[2016-02-25 15:04:35] altcoinsdotin : Anyone in DavidJames group REKT 10000000000000000000000 Contracts
[2016-02-25 15:04:41] habibi : davidjames: ok exact hour
[2016-02-25 15:04:42] habibi : of pump
[2016-02-25 15:04:50] habibi : or u're done here
[2016-02-25 15:05:00] davidjames : is that a threat
[2016-02-25 15:05:06] davidjames : email me and ill make you cash
[2016-02-25 15:05:14] habibi : just a natural repercussion
[2016-02-25 15:06:03] altcoinsdotin : David James Group REKT 1000000 Chop Suey Blood Sauce
[2016-02-25 15:06:15] davidjames : hey bro just email me and ill tell you anything you want to know secrets stay secret for a reason im not gona post my secret
[2016-02-25 15:06:22] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:23] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:24] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:26] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:27] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:29] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:30] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:32] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:33] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:34] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:36] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:37] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:39] altcoinsdotin : REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:44] altcoinsdotin : david james REKT
[2016-02-25 15:06:44] sleger : altcoinsdotin: ban ?
[2016-02-25 15:07:02] altcoinsdotin : Should I offer my phone number for a insider group to get banned
[2016-02-25 15:07:13] sleger : altcoinsdotin: stop spamming
[2016-02-25 15:07:21] altcoinsdotin : .ok ,
[2016-02-25 15:07:26] rapidtrades : lol grandpa got angry
[2016-02-25 15:07:27] altcoinsdotin : david james is full of BS
[2016-02-25 15:07:54] altcoinsdotin : david james is rekt
[2016-02-25 15:07:55] sleger : well he is a "hedge fund" that promotes to retail and participates in pump and dump scheme.
[2016-02-25 15:08:05] sleger : We shall visit him with bread and water in jail soon
[2016-02-25 15:08:14] altcoinsdotin : blood in the streets david james rekt 1 contract the only one he had
[2016-02-25 15:09:24] rapidtrades : and after a movie shall be made about his scam 'David James, the Tool of Wall Street' @sleger
[2016-02-25 15:09:39] altcoinsdotin : total legit hedge fund
[2016-02-25 15:09:48] altcoinsdotin : many make mega profitswith his fund
[2016-02-25 15:09:51] altcoinsdotin : totaly legit group
[2016-02-25 15:09:59] altcoinsdotin : give him a call today
[2016-02-25 15:10:01] altcoinsdotin : he is in NYC
[2016-02-25 15:10:07] altcoinsdotin : got the connections yo
[2016-02-25 15:10:16] altcoinsdotin : much pump and dump 40 point move
[2016-02-25 15:11:39] davidjames : ok
[2016-02-25 15:12:19] altcoinsdotin : call 1-800-david-james to make mega profits
[2016-02-25 15:13:09] davidjames : :)
[2016-02-25 15:16:29] rapidtrades : altcoinsdotin: that's prolly a real phone number lol
[2016-02-25 15:16:52] rapidtrades : not his but smone prolly has it claimed
[2016-02-25 15:17:54] davidjames : ya for real
[2016-02-25 15:18:30] mrp1nk : davidjames: c'mon, try harder please. not even virtually convincing.
[2016-02-25 15:18:48] davidjames : not trying to convince
[2016-02-25 15:19:01] mrp1nk : i would rather join http://btctrading.club/
[2016-02-25 15:19:15] davidjames : ive got a group all ready not my job to convince but to trade
[2016-02-25 15:19:52] rapidtrades : u can't pump&dump bitcoin...how f stupid are u
[2016-02-25 15:20:13] davidjames : i never said bitcoin
[2016-02-25 15:20:27] davidjames : its a cryptocurrency
[2016-02-25 15:20:41] sleger : oh another one ? that will also go to 440 ?
[2016-02-25 15:20:41] rapidtrades : litecoin?
[2016-02-25 15:20:50] rapidtrades : tbf he said 4.40
[2016-02-25 15:20:51] sleger : you're just ridiculous
[2016-02-25 15:20:56] rapidtrades : not 440
[2016-02-25 15:20:59] sleger : yesterday he said 440
[2016-02-25 15:21:07] rapidtrades : yeah he's an idiot
[2016-02-25 15:21:13] davidjames : 4.40
[2016-02-25 15:21:17] sleger : "2016-02-24T15:07:34.167Z","user":"davidjames","message":"price of bitcoin will be 440.00 very soon"
[2016-02-25 15:21:32] sleger : stop contradicting yourself
[2016-02-25 15:21:39] davidjames : typo
[2016-02-25 15:21:46] sleger : too bad for you there's history on the chat ;)
[2016-02-25 15:21:52] rapidtrades : sleger: it's a new day now, he's a changed man
[2016-02-25 15:22:16] sleger : even amirass realized he was done when i called him out on his lie
[2016-02-25 15:22:37] davidjames : losten you stupid fucking retards when the market moves you i said to be in with us i tried to be nice about it now im gona make sure you loose
[2016-02-25 15:22:50] rapidtrades : haha
[2016-02-25 15:23:08] sleger : davidjames: you're too obvious
[2016-02-25 15:23:37] rapidtrades : but u said ur pumping an altcoin...im only in BTC now, how can u make me lose, homie @davidjames
[2016-02-25 15:23:50] sleger : not smart enough for what you're trying to do, you couldnt even convince anyone on this trollbox, and god knows how many stupid people are here
[2016-02-25 15:24:17] rapidtrades : yeah like that random walk guy
[2016-02-25 15:24:34] rapidtrades : you should page Tulip_Stefan
[2016-02-25 15:24:38] mrp1nk : lol
[2016-02-25 15:24:50] sleger : you dont like him but he's not that bad
[2016-02-25 15:25:22] rapidtrades : well he comes into a trading chat room and constantly butts into convos with this random this random that
[2016-02-25 15:25:29] mrp1nk : i agree. Tulip_Stefan sounds like he know what he's talking about. He's legit
[2016-02-25 15:25:38] rapidtrades : he reserved all the flak i've giving him
[2016-02-25 15:25:53] rapidtrades : he's learned all the wrong things imo
[2016-02-25 15:26:04] mrp1nk : davidjames: you should learn how to shill, kiddo
[2016-02-25 15:28:08] cryptostephen : I have played at Bitmex 3 times in the last 2 weeks (100x)
[2016-02-25 15:28:19] cryptostephen : first 2 trades I got +163% and +200%
[2016-02-25 15:28:24] cryptostephen : 3rd trade i got liquidated lol
[2016-02-25 15:28:45] sleger : deposit more and "play" again
[2016-02-25 15:29:00] rapidtrades : cryptostephen: what's ur trading exp
[2016-02-25 15:33:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.01516
[2016-02-25 15:52:52] rapidtrades : eth topping?
[2016-02-25 15:53:37] mrp1nk : i was thinking the same right now
[2016-02-25 15:53:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 360 @ 0.01503
[2016-02-25 15:56:06] rapidtrades : well hopefully this will bid up BTC
[2016-02-25 15:56:17] rapidtrades : every fool running back to btc
[2016-02-25 15:57:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 498 @ 0.01456
[2016-02-25 15:57:16] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 8 @ 0.01442
[2016-02-25 15:58:07] BTCDJS : Yeah I knew that guy was full of it.
[2016-02-25 15:58:41] BTCDJS : And he's not even clever about it
[2016-02-25 16:03:47] cryptostephen : rapidtrades: im cointrader11 on twitter. been trading 3 years with bitcoin, altcoins, stocks, and forex
[2016-02-25 16:04:57] rapidtrades : cryptostephen: then why did u let urself be liquidated
[2016-02-25 16:06:14] odieoh : *lose
[2016-02-25 16:07:15] rapidtrades : no losing is fine, liquidation is a problem
[2016-02-25 16:09:02] sleger : reducing my lonh
[2016-02-25 16:09:04] sleger : *long
[2016-02-25 16:12:02] mrp1nk : sleger: are you afraid of david james? lol
[2016-02-25 16:12:30] sleger : we're going to 4.40 !!! :o
[2016-02-25 16:12:59] mrp1nk : haha
[2016-02-25 16:14:15] sleger : I have my buy back orders at 4.41 but dont tell davidjames
[2016-02-25 16:29:36] zanza : anyone playing A50 today ?
[2016-02-25 16:31:33] habibi : yea open interest is 33 contracts
[2016-02-25 16:31:35] habibi : so someone is
[2016-02-25 16:32:12] zanza : or maybe a bot just broke and accidentally played it
[2016-02-25 16:39:46] tscha : block 400000 mined
[2016-02-25 16:40:46] tscha : v4 unfortunately :(
[2016-02-25 16:44:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 500 @ 0.01409
[2016-02-25 16:46:26] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.01341
[2016-02-25 16:46:35] habibi : that dump on eth <3
[2016-02-25 16:47:22] mrp1nk : delicious
[2016-02-25 16:58:16] sleger : buying some eth fut for fun
[2016-02-25 16:58:43] habibi : lool
[2016-02-25 16:58:44] habibi : :D
[2016-02-25 16:58:47] habibi : that dump again
[2016-02-25 16:58:59] habibi : nice timing sleger
[2016-02-25 16:59:29] sleger : bids filled pretty quick indeed
[2016-02-25 16:59:35] habibi : look at chart
[2016-02-25 16:59:39] habibi : https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/ethbtc
[2016-02-25 17:02:50] sleger : ok and ?
[2016-02-25 17:03:13] sleger : charts dont talk to me, tell me what you hear
[2016-02-25 17:03:58] habibi : they'r broke previous ressistance lvl, i bet many people will try to go out
[2016-02-25 17:04:25] sleger : ok so you think it will go down ?
[2016-02-25 17:04:31] habibi : yep
[2016-02-25 17:04:36] habibi : uptrend is gone in my opinion
[2016-02-25 17:04:38] habibi : double top on dailys
[2016-02-25 17:04:43] habibi : typical bubble scheme
[2016-02-25 17:06:04] habibi : so will be really suprised if it will go for new highs soon
[2016-02-25 17:06:35] sleger : I sell at 0.015
[2016-02-25 17:06:48] habibi : u think it will bounce up there?
[2016-02-25 17:08:32] sleger : just a bet for fun
[2016-02-25 17:10:21] sleger : i only bought 1k contracts
[2016-02-25 17:10:53] habibi : had 1600 but decresed at that dip to 600
[2016-02-25 17:16:56] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.01393
[2016-02-25 17:18:16] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 47 @ 0.01406
[2016-02-25 17:24:01] jung1 : someone have a lot of fun with eth nowdays
[2016-02-25 17:25:36] sleger : it's not like anyone is going to do anything serious with it anyways
[2016-02-25 17:26:16] habibi : maybe someone will do, with own chain
[2016-02-25 17:29:19] davidjames : sleger: then join me
[2016-02-25 17:29:33] davidjames : im just trying to help out
[2016-02-25 17:29:34] habibi : what does it have to do with u?
[2016-02-25 17:29:44] habibi : why u need so much to help people?
[2016-02-25 17:29:57] davidjames : cause i can make a profit
[2016-02-25 17:30:04] habibi : ur profit is ur ones
[2016-02-25 17:30:07] habibi : good for u! :)
[2016-02-25 17:31:29] elmorte : How many ppl you got to sign up dude?
[2016-02-25 17:39:04] davidjames : its not really signing up its really about ill have them call me and if they sound good and everything checks out if they can bring something valuable to the table then their in
[2016-02-25 17:39:14] davidjames : and then i bring them in on my fund
[2016-02-25 17:40:29] davidjames : ?
[2016-02-25 17:42:12] davidjames : if you got a skype lets chat my name on skype is davidjames8999
[2016-02-25 17:42:23] sleger : they let you have skype in jail ?
[2016-02-25 17:42:33] davidjames : why are you being rude
[2016-02-25 17:42:41] sleger : pump and dump scheme in nyc... enjoy your last breath of free air
[2016-02-25 17:42:52] davidjames : sleger: ? im not to you
[2016-02-25 17:43:05] davidjames : its all legal what we do
[2016-02-25 17:43:29] sleger : you said "pump and dump", your own words. You think that's legal ?
[2016-02-25 17:43:30] tscha : davidjames: you have a homepage?
[2016-02-25 17:43:43] tscha : website*
[2016-02-25 17:43:43] davidjames : no its a private hedgefund
[2016-02-25 17:43:54] davidjames : once we talk ill send you to our page
[2016-02-25 17:44:15] sleger : davidjames: you said "pump and dump", your own words. You think that's legal ?
[2016-02-25 17:44:24] tscha : can we go to IRC and you send me the website in private chat?
[2016-02-25 17:44:31] davidjames : its a legal form
[2016-02-25 17:44:33] davidjames : yes
[2016-02-25 17:44:57] davidjames : if your not interested then fuck off ?
[2016-02-25 17:45:04] davidjames : fuck off
[2016-02-25 17:45:15] elmorte : Would you return the favour?
[2016-02-25 17:45:21] sleger : yeah we dont like rude people around here
[2016-02-25 17:45:22] habibi : davidjames: noone is interested even Wealthy Muslim
[2016-02-25 17:45:30] sleger : only gentle caresses
[2016-02-25 17:45:33] tscha : @davidjames come to irc so we can talk
[2016-02-25 17:45:39] davidjames : yes i would
[2016-02-25 17:45:59] tscha : but?
[2016-02-25 17:46:34] davidjames : ? ? what
[2016-02-25 17:46:42] sleger : hold on, he is googling "IRC"
[2016-02-25 17:46:56] elmorte : relay chat...is that p2p?
[2016-02-25 17:47:04] davidjames : not googling
[2016-02-25 17:47:09] davidjames : dumb
[2016-02-25 17:47:18] sleger : baiduing ?
[2016-02-25 17:47:27] tscha : join the irc channel so we can have a private chat
[2016-02-25 17:48:09] sleger : tscha: be careful any link he sends you that you click
[2016-02-25 17:48:25] elmorte : Don't do it DJ...he's luring you into a trap
[2016-02-25 17:48:46] elmorte : I heard about IRC...
[2016-02-25 17:49:17] tscha : I want to know more about his hedge fund, seems like an interesting investment opportunity
[2016-02-25 17:49:30] davidjames : You can skype me or shoot me an email
[2016-02-25 17:49:35] elmorte : Yeah I know, and you'll tell us all about later as agreed, right?
[2016-02-25 17:49:40] tscha : come irc and give me your website
[2016-02-25 17:49:46] elmorte : www.nyc.gov/doc
[2016-02-25 17:50:06] sleger : www.justice.gov
[2016-02-25 17:50:19] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades 2 hours ago: i generally don't listen to people who have a writing style similar to linus'. I listen to arguments. Which have been strangely absent from your side. If i learned the wrong things, that's possible. I learned everything on my own, and i'm bound to draw a wrong conclusion here and there. I call that learning. It works better when you point out my mistakes rather than just telling me i'm wrong without reasoning.
[2016-02-25 17:50:23] Tulip_stefan : Just pointing that out. I'm not bothered or anything, your writing style just makes it really hard to take you serious.
[2016-02-25 17:51:06] davidjames : Yes
[2016-02-25 17:51:25] sleger : No
[2016-02-25 17:52:58] davidjames : Ok
[2016-02-25 17:55:21] tscha : are you coming irc now so I can invest in your fund?
[2016-02-25 17:55:32] habibi : tscha: i was first
[2016-02-25 17:55:36] habibi : stay away
[2016-02-25 17:58:26] sleger : he doesnt want investor, he just wants to give you free tips away what to buy when or to sell, but for some very mysterious reason he cant just post anything here
[2016-02-25 17:59:02] sleger : First you have to click on the attachment he sends you by email link_to_being_rich.jpg.exe
[2016-02-25 18:01:36] Tulip_stefan : That was my conclusion also....
[2016-02-25 18:02:36] tscha : Free tips from a Wall-street-investor? Sounds good, where can I sign up? @davidjames
[2016-02-25 18:03:08] sleger : you can call him, he posted a arizona cell phone number yday, or his email
[2016-02-25 18:03:41] sleger : or alternatively subscribe his email address to all porn websites
[2016-02-25 18:04:45] Tulip_stefan : I'm pretty sure that is illegal. Not that i care, it's just, don't lower yourself to his level....
[2016-02-25 18:04:53] tscha : He says his name is David Wolfshire from Wolfshire Investments
[2016-02-25 18:05:20] tscha : according to google results for his email
[2016-02-25 18:05:28] tscha : "Wolfshire investments is a bussines that takes control of your stock account and we go on their every day of the week and purchase the stocks that we pick and constantly make you money what we provide that stock brokers don't is we do everything all you do is watch the money flow in and we even send you your 50% at the end of each week."
[2016-02-25 18:05:40] tscha : Sounds good
[2016-02-25 18:06:34] tscha : I also found the website: http://wolfshirewolfshireinvestments.webr.ly/packages
[2016-02-25 18:06:41] Tulip_stefan : That sounds awfully close to the kind of scam i described last week. Even a bot that trades at random makes some good weeks//months.
[2016-02-25 18:06:47] Tulip_stefan : do they share 50% of the losses too?
[2016-02-25 18:07:25] sleger : 50%, thats more than citadel takes !
[2016-02-25 18:07:48] Tulip_stefan : not sure if ponzi or just really bad at marketing...
[2016-02-25 18:07:59] tscha : Tulip_stefan: dont forget that he is a wall street investor, so he can easily beat the market
[2016-02-25 18:08:13] sleger : "{AMOUNT OF DAYS YOU WATE BEFORE YOU GET YOUR %}"
[2016-02-25 18:08:14] Tulip_stefan : yeah that's right.
[2016-02-25 18:08:18] sleger : "WATE" LOL
[2016-02-25 18:08:28] sleger : thats from their website
[2016-02-25 18:08:51] sleger : wall street in broken english...
[2016-02-25 18:11:56] tscha : He also has a twitter account, on which his name is David Clutch and not David Wolfshire... https://twitter.com/davidclutch1
[2016-02-25 18:12:02] tscha : maybe just a typo
[2016-02-25 18:14:00] Tulip_stefan : I really don't get how those people can live with themselves. Are they honestly believing they offer an useful service, or are they just blinded by dollar signs in their eyes?
[2016-02-25 18:14:34] sleger : I reported his twitter account
[2016-02-25 18:15:48] sleger : Tulip_stefan: just money. Its funny, the only stock he didnt remove from his tweets was from may 2015 and it went up, so all the others probably didnt work out...
[2016-02-25 18:20:18] tscha : he also had an instagram account called "stock-gangster" (which got deleted) and he has an account called "billionaire_lifestyle_magazine"
[2016-02-25 18:20:52] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: as opposed to ppl that sell algos while believing that markets are a random walk?
[2016-02-25 18:21:36] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 300 @ 0.01380
[2016-02-25 18:22:22] Mangalica : wow LEXG? that shit is still going?
[2016-02-25 18:24:27] Mangalica : i assume they've already sold it a couple of times since the hyper-pump half a decade ago
[2016-02-25 18:25:30] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i get your argument. If my product doesn't offer acceptable return any more i will shut down my company. I ain't taking money for a product that doesn't work.
[2016-02-25 18:25:33] Mangalica : the ticker itself has value
[2016-02-25 18:26:02] Tulip_stefan : The random walk theory doesn't prohibit you from making profits.
[2016-02-25 18:28:55] zanza : is someone collecting money for investments?
[2016-02-25 18:28:58] zanza : i have monies
[2016-02-25 18:31:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 422.14
[2016-02-25 18:31:06] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-02-25 18:40:30] sleger : Tulip_stefan: "The random walk theory doesn't prohibit you from making profits." ?
[2016-02-25 18:40:44] sleger : are you saying you can make money in a steady way on a random walk
[2016-02-25 18:41:58] mrp1nk : I think the Point is that in a Random Walk you eventually reach every price with probsbilty 1
[2016-02-25 18:42:45] sleger : thats not my question
[2016-02-25 18:44:09] mrp1nk : As the time goes to infinity. It seems that The answer is yes
[2016-02-25 18:44:37] sleger : I know that, but as I just said, thats not my question
[2016-02-25 18:44:50] sleger : and it does not "seem", it is
[2016-02-25 18:49:03] j8 : martingale also works great if you have infinite time and infinite capital
[2016-02-25 18:50:28] sleger : depends what you mean by "works"
[2016-02-25 18:51:39] j8 : gives an arbitrarily high return given enough rounds
[2016-02-25 18:51:59] j8 : still doesn't have positive expectation value
[2016-02-25 18:52:04] sleger : yep
[2016-02-25 18:52:55] j8 : then again if you have infinite capital you don't need to gamble
[2016-02-25 18:53:09] sleger : to not get bored
[2016-02-25 18:53:58] sleger : if I had infinite capital I would just put it on some kind of interest bearing investment, and earn an infinite amount of money all the time
[2016-02-25 18:54:17] sleger : then I can spend infinite without having to even touch my infinite starting capital
[2016-02-25 18:54:48] j8 : presumably all money would be worthless though, unless you kept it secret
[2016-02-25 18:55:22] sleger : only need people to trust i wont spend too much of it
[2016-02-25 18:57:06] mrp1nk : thats the same isnt it @j8
[2016-02-25 18:57:40] j8 : who's paying the infinite interest? they must have infinite capital too
[2016-02-25 18:58:11] Tulip_stefan : sleger: (sorry for delay, i was on a bike ride) you're confusing the efficient market hypothesis with the random walk hypothesis. Although i believe the overall price of bitcoin is a random walk, it is easy to see that the markets are not efficient at all.
[2016-02-25 18:58:13] sleger : the central bank
[2016-02-25 18:59:00] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well it might just be a wording misunderstanding, but if markets are inefficient then the price is not a random walk by definition
[2016-02-25 18:59:01] jung1 : I feel eth dump in the air
[2016-02-25 18:59:24] cryptostephen : eth dump and btc pump
[2016-02-25 18:59:53] Tulip_stefan : sleger: you could say that. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
[2016-02-25 19:00:38] justinlooking : jung1: further than 15-20% already ?
[2016-02-25 19:01:15] sleger : what you're saying is that the true underlying price is a random walk, but there are some short term inefficiencies in the markets (for example price on finex vs stamp not the same) so its possible to make money ? @Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-25 19:01:49] jung1 : 13 imo will be next floor
[2016-02-25 19:02:08] rapidtrades : there is no floor to that shitcoin
[2016-02-25 19:04:31] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: +1
[2016-02-25 19:04:34] zanza : rofl
[2016-02-25 19:06:42] jung1 : will see
[2016-02-25 19:06:53] Tulip_stefan : sleger: That's certainly a statement i can agree with. I'm sure that with your own bot's you've drawn the same conclusion. Although the price may or may not be a random walk, there is no absence of stupid people that introduce short term deficiencies.
[2016-02-25 19:06:56] habibi : jung1: typical bubble is typical
[2016-02-25 19:10:34] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: ''The random walk hypothesis is a financial theory stating that stock market prices evolve according to a random walk and thus cannot be predicted. It is consistent with the efficient-market hypothesis.''
[2016-02-25 19:10:58] rapidtrades : so just like with TA, you're using terms u don't understand
[2016-02-25 19:11:52] j8 : i just think a random walk is a terrible model for this market. do you have any evidence to validate it? @Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-25 19:12:43] rapidtrades : j8: I'm gonna go with NO...even his own algo is making money lol
[2016-02-25 19:13:17] Tulip_stefan : My 'evidence' is that i failed miserably when trying to predict the markets short-term. I don't believe it is impossible, but certainly beyond the knowledge of anyone in this chatroom.
[2016-02-25 19:13:56] sleger : huhhh
[2016-02-25 19:14:09] j8 : believe it or not, people make money following trends
[2016-02-25 19:14:14] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: my algorithms are my own. All algorithms i found in papers failed. Please don't make such assumptions.
[2016-02-25 19:14:36] habibi : Tulip_stefan: did u give sleger a limited copy of ur trader?
[2016-02-25 19:15:08] sleger : but you said your algo trades daily and goes all in long or short so you must be able to predict short term moves ? Otherwise it wouldnt be making money ? @Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-25 19:15:09] Tulip_stefan : no not yet. We've made up our mind, but was too busy typing a mail in the last few days.
[2016-02-25 19:15:34] rapidtrades : must've been some longass mail
[2016-02-25 19:15:42] habibi : sleger: how he can go typical short when he is not trading leverage at all on spots
[2016-02-25 19:15:46] sleger : cant tell, havent received it
[2016-02-25 19:15:57] j8 : it's easy enough to run some stats that show non-random behaviour
[2016-02-25 19:16:24] sleger : yep for instance take daily return and auto correlation with one day lag
[2016-02-25 19:16:43] sleger : if statistically non zero then that's some sggestion it isnt
[2016-02-25 19:16:43] Tulip_stefan : j8: the random walk hypothesis doesn't prohibit predictive behavior to happen, it just prohibits you to profit from it. See volatility clustering.
[2016-02-25 19:16:44] j8 : sleger: damn you beating me to say that
[2016-02-25 19:17:49] Tulip_stefan : Any yes, people may be making money from following trends. Those people must either drawing conclusions too quick, or are just plain better than me.
[2016-02-25 19:18:33] rapidtrades : I'm gonna go with door number two
[2016-02-25 19:18:37] Tulip_stefan : sleger: i will leave the working of my algorithm as an open question.
[2016-02-25 19:18:49] Tulip_stefan : a fine choice, i would say.
[2016-02-25 19:19:01] tscha : i think stefans quote "the random walk theory doesn't prohibit you from making profits" is correct. Even when markets follow a random walk, it is possible to make money as a market maker. It depends on several other factors (like liquidity and spread). However then, one could argue that with a large spread, the market (price) doesn't move like a random walk, but this would lead to the conclusion that no market on earth can technically follow a random walk since they all have bids/asks and therefore spreads
[2016-02-25 19:19:52] tscha : practically it's a different story, and I don't agree that markets follow a random walk, especially not bitcoin
[2016-02-25 19:20:08] rapidtrades : tscha: right, but his algo trades once per day, it's not MM or arbitrage
[2016-02-25 19:20:33] tscha : oh, havent read that. oops
[2016-02-25 19:20:49] habibi : and no shorting as well
[2016-02-25 19:20:50] rapidtrades : at least the one he was trying to sell here :)
[2016-02-25 19:20:54] tscha : Tulip_stefan: Didn't you say you were market making a few days ago?
[2016-02-25 19:20:58] Tulip_stefan : tscha: how about your own bots. Do you use market making, arb or predictive strategies? I'm willing to bet it isn't the last one.
[2016-02-25 19:20:59] sleger : Tulip_stefan: so yes / no ?
[2016-02-25 19:21:23] sleger : re the email
[2016-02-25 19:22:20] j8 : Tulip_stefan: if volatility clusters then the returns aren't independently distributed. isn't the whole model out the window? not being able to profit off it means it's appropriately priced, not randomly priced
[2016-02-25 19:22:31] Tulip_stefan : sleger: no, but I'll type a better response later. I don't like disappointing people without proper reasoning.
[2016-02-25 19:22:52] sleger : no worries
[2016-02-25 19:23:29] Tulip_stefan : j8: the random walk theory specify talks about the direction price changes. If the frequency of price changes is predictable, it's still a random walk in my book.
[2016-02-25 19:23:34] sleger : I think i know what you're doing and am already doing that somehow and its limited to how much money can actually be made so i dont think it would work well on larger scales
[2016-02-25 19:24:06] justinlooking : fight!
[2016-02-25 19:24:07] rapidtrades : sleger: even he doesn't know what he's doing lol
[2016-02-25 19:24:25] rapidtrades : remember his ''I lost 30% one day and still have no idea why''
[2016-02-25 19:24:41] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: that was using a predictive strategy.
[2016-02-25 19:24:59] Tulip_stefan : it's thanks to that day that i believe in the idea's behind the random walk.
[2016-02-25 19:25:13] rapidtrades : what day was it
[2016-02-25 19:25:21] rapidtrades : cos I bet I made money that day
[2016-02-25 19:27:23] Tulip_stefan : 24-08-15 and 25-08-15.
[2016-02-25 19:27:55] Tulip_stefan : it was on okcoin.cn. Have fun.
[2016-02-25 19:28:28] j8 : Tulip_stefan: does your random walk have slowly-varying mean and variance?
[2016-02-25 19:29:19] habibi : Tulip_stefan: ur bot sold at that dip?
[2016-02-25 19:29:20] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: was this a okc.cn specific event....like did smone happen that didn't have in the general market? cos looking at the chart, one was down day one was up day...both relatively small ranges
[2016-02-25 19:30:02] rapidtrades : ok around 10% each but only like $20
[2016-02-25 19:30:07] habibi : http://scr.hu/9xvi/5j9xl
[2016-02-25 19:30:38] rapidtrades : I don't understand how u lost 30% tbh...
[2016-02-25 19:31:20] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i told you, i have no clue what happened that day. I looked at the market condictions and found no difference with the previous 20 profitable days.
[2016-02-25 19:31:45] rapidtrades : guess u timed it wrong twice,went long before 24th and then short when we reversed
[2016-02-25 19:31:48] habibi : he is asking u about specific trades ur bot did that day
[2016-02-25 19:32:39] Tulip_stefan : I traded so often the okcoin website wouldn't give my my full trading history.
[2016-02-25 19:33:05] Tulip_stefan : they only allow you to query the last 2000 trades in the last 7 days. Only when trades are older than 7 days you can query them all using a different api.
[2016-02-25 19:33:10] rapidtrades : but that would be the general idea right? long before 24th short at 25th
[2016-02-25 19:33:32] rapidtrades : cos if u trade with no leverage, that's the only way u could lose 30%
[2016-02-25 19:33:33] Tulip_stefan : I certainly didn't 'took the wrong timing' with that high frequency of trades.
[2016-02-25 19:33:37] habibi : rapidtrades: by short u mean sell with no leverage as well?
[2016-02-25 19:33:41] Tulip_stefan : spot only
[2016-02-25 19:34:01] tscha : Tulip_stefan: what random walk model did you implement in your bot?
[2016-02-25 19:34:16] rapidtrades : I have this
[2016-02-25 19:35:40] rapidtrades : 2015-08-28 16:00:21 BTC0925 Short Settlement 0 2.17961
[2016-02-25 19:35:41] Tulip_stefan : tscha: I don't have a random walk model implemented in my bot.
[2016-02-25 19:37:02] rapidtrades : and the week before
[2016-02-25 19:37:08] rapidtrades : 2015-08-21 16:00:21 BTC0925 Short Settlement 0 2.95177
[2016-02-25 19:37:47] rapidtrades : the last bit is profit in btc...so much for ur random walk
[2016-02-25 19:37:53] tscha : Tulip_stefan: are you mm or just taker? I remember you tried to let your bot marketmake a few days ago, correct me if I'm wrong
[2016-02-25 19:38:34] Tulip_stefan : tscha: my algo does many things. I'm not sure how to classify it.
[2016-02-25 19:38:47] tscha : so similar to skynet?
[2016-02-25 19:39:27] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 424.43
[2016-02-25 19:40:26] Tulip_stefan : destroy all huma.. errr. Maybe.
[2016-02-25 19:44:01] rapidtrades : an accident waiting to happen is one way to classify it
[2016-02-25 19:45:14] sleger : rapid hasnt been that funny since ... ever
[2016-02-25 19:45:35] Tulip_stefan : More profits for you. No?
[2016-02-25 19:46:18] rapidtrades : Sure hope so
[2016-02-25 19:46:40] rapidtrades : If I can't beat one shitty coder, I've wasted the last 10 yrs of my life
[2016-02-25 19:48:04] Tulip_stefan : shitty coder indeed. Did i tell you i rounded all prices to integers on one exchange and it took 16 months before i noticed? That sucked.
[2016-02-25 19:48:43] sleger : thats a good way to remove short term noise actually
[2016-02-25 19:48:49] rapidtrades : how did it ''suck'' didn't say u made the most money there
[2016-02-25 19:49:23] tscha : Tulip_stefan: pretty nice.. that definitely beats my "store orders as longs" story
[2016-02-25 19:50:29] sleger : I wish I had funny stories like you guys but I just dont do bugs unfortunately
[2016-02-25 19:51:01] tscha : you could probably code before you started trading :)
[2016-02-25 19:51:25] rapidtrades : they only area where programmers can beat traders is speed....MM, smaller arbitrage
[2016-02-25 19:51:26] sleger : yes
[2016-02-25 19:51:51] sleger : but i dont consider myself a coder
[2016-02-25 19:52:05] rapidtrades : u have to have at least some trading experience to know what to look for, how to test etc
[2016-02-25 19:52:19] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i went from $1800 to $7000 there in that time period. Or 4 bitcoin to 16 bitcoin if you prefer to measure it that way. Not my best account, but one of my better ones.
[2016-02-25 19:53:19] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: was it a smaller exchange or one of the big ones
[2016-02-25 19:56:02] tscha : Tulip_stefan: how long was that time period?
[2016-02-25 19:56:24] cryptostephen : China bots turned on
[2016-02-25 19:56:35] Tulip_stefan : sept 14' to now.
[2016-02-25 19:57:52] Tulip_stefan : on top of my head it's probably the 10th biggest non china exchange, but i haven't seen much correlation between the volume on the exchange and the profits except that backtesting is much more accurate on big volume exchanges.
[2016-02-25 19:58:38] Tulip_stefan : It's harder to pick parameters right on exchanges that have only one trade every 3 minutes or so.
[2016-02-25 19:59:07] sleger : if you trade once a day your backtest should match prod almost 100%
[2016-02-25 19:59:47] cryptostephen : new highs china woohoo
[2016-02-25 19:59:49] cryptostephen : squeezeee
[2016-02-25 20:03:32] rapidtrades : sleger: he's talking about his MM bots
[2016-02-25 20:03:50] rapidtrades : cryptostephen: compared to what
[2016-02-25 20:04:47] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 253 @ 425.45
[2016-02-25 20:33:12] Tulip_stefan : sleger: I'm not so sure. Sometimes i see big differences between backtests and reality. I was supposed to make huge profits on hitbtc according to my backtester, but it didn't really work out and i only made like 1.5x over a few months. But i recently fixed a bug in my algorithm that made it less accurate on low volume exchanges.
[2016-02-25 20:35:04] Tulip_stefan : When i went to change my backtester, i actually discovered that my backtester contained a bug that does exactly the optimization that prevents the bug from happening.
[2016-02-25 20:38:36] Tulip_stefan : Only because i took some shortcuts to make backtesting faster.
[2016-02-25 20:39:33] cryptostephen : BitMex, i do like ur new UI
[2016-02-25 20:39:41] cryptostephen : just give us the info to the insurance fund