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[2016-02-23 20:43:59] rapidtrades : u ppl are highly delusional
[2016-02-23 20:44:13] rapidtrades : economies have collapsed before and noone ran towards bitcoin
[2016-02-23 20:44:52] sleger : like the roman empire ?
[2016-02-23 20:45:52] BTCDJS : yeah major. they can only raise the dept ceiling so much. they're playing a game of hot potato
[2016-02-23 20:45:54] jung1 : yeah bitcoin is like 6years
[2016-02-23 20:46:16] jung1 : so there was not any alternative to store your assets digital
[2016-02-23 20:46:30] jung1 : we live in really intresting times
[2016-02-23 20:47:08] BTCDJS : 2008 was the last one. bitcoin wasn't even thought of then
[2016-02-23 20:52:22] rapidtrades : 2008 was the last one FOR YOU
[2016-02-23 20:52:37] rapidtrades : economies collapse every day, turn on the TV
[2016-02-23 20:52:46] jung1 : bitcoin also
[2016-02-23 20:53:00] jung1 : so bitcoin and global economy
[2016-02-23 20:53:08] jung1 : are like ying and yang
[2016-02-23 20:53:59] rapidtrades : what are u talking about...it's a 6bl market cap
[2016-02-23 20:54:04] rapidtrades : it has no effect on anything
[2016-02-23 20:54:13] rapidtrades : it makes for flashy headlines, that's all
[2016-02-23 20:55:00] jung1 : yeah I know
[2016-02-23 20:55:04] jung1 : just kidding
[2016-02-23 20:55:09] jung1 : but still like it
[2016-02-23 20:55:36] rapidtrades : we all like but expectations should be realistic
[2016-02-23 20:56:24] rapidtrades : anyone has problems filling arbs? i constantly have to cancel one side due to no liquidty
[2016-02-23 20:56:33] rapidtrades : MM are rly taking the piss this afternoon
[2016-02-23 20:56:59] rapidtrades : everyone, okc, futures, finex
[2016-02-23 20:57:25] rapidtrades : dunno if its just volatility or no liquidty but frustrating
[2016-02-23 21:02:12] Tulip_stefan : No problems here.
[2016-02-23 21:02:46] rapidtrades : bot runners don't count
[2016-02-23 21:03:20] Tulip_stefan : Whatever man.
[2016-02-23 21:03:22] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: everything is always crashing and burning in the news.
[2016-02-23 21:05:46] BTCDJS : yet i haven't seen the tv and am unaware of all this supposed chaos. so must be that bad.
[2016-02-23 21:14:41] justinlooking : what are you arbing rapid?
[2016-02-23 21:27:57] rapidtrades : it's gone now...f finex
[2016-02-23 21:30:33] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 336 @ 421.59
[2016-02-23 21:31:45] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: if i set a stop limit. can i alter the stop price while the order is motion so to speak?
[2016-02-23 21:32:09] rapidtrades : no clue, don't use that order type much @BTCDJS
[2016-02-23 21:32:19] rapidtrades : try it with 1 :)
[2016-02-23 21:32:39] BTCDJS : i would but none of my bids are getting accepted
[2016-02-23 21:33:15] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-02-23 21:33:34] BTCDJS : oh wait i can put a higher price
[2016-02-23 21:33:36] BTCDJS : duh
[2016-02-23 21:34:20] BTCDJS : uh no that doesn't work either
[2016-02-23 21:34:31] rapidtrades : cancel and set a new orde
[2016-02-23 21:34:47] BTCDJS : its untriggered even though the set buy button was lit up like a christmas tree
[2016-02-23 21:35:00] BTCDJS : and still is
[2016-02-23 21:35:15] rapidtrades : check under stops
[2016-02-23 21:35:23] BTCDJS : i am
[2016-02-23 21:36:29] rapidtrades : dam where's support? they've been gone for past 2-3 days now
[2016-02-23 21:36:55] jung1 : yeah quite small
[2016-02-23 21:36:58] jung1 : on eth same
[2016-02-23 21:37:17] BTCDJS : maybe they at some conference
[2016-02-23 21:37:23] rapidtrades : they better be coding a new UI...
[2016-02-23 21:37:51] BTCDJS : they're probably on the case right now ready to please you
[2016-02-23 21:38:57] rapidtrades : get in line, everyone wants to please me
[2016-02-23 21:39:30] tradedesk : rapidtrades: you haven't change a bit since last time i saw your chats :D
[2016-02-23 21:39:50] rapidtrades : tradedesk: who the f are u pleb
[2016-02-23 21:40:20] tradedesk : i'm that idiot that got rekt and filled your asks a few weeks back
[2016-02-23 21:40:30] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-23 21:40:41] rapidtrades : lol? that happens like once a week
[2016-02-23 21:40:59] rapidtrades : ur orders didn't have a name attached
[2016-02-23 21:40:59] tradedesk : and we had some fun bashing sam about crypto facts
[2016-02-23 21:41:21] rapidtrades : were u using other nick
[2016-02-23 21:41:42] tradedesk : nope, but chat was on the other side of your screen
[2016-02-23 21:42:07] rapidtrades : nah man, still on the left here
[2016-02-23 21:42:27] tradedesk : :O you got an UI without bugs? or only chat on the left?
[2016-02-23 21:42:38] rapidtrades : UI is shit
[2016-02-23 21:43:02] tradedesk : like the idea, but execution is worthless
[2016-02-23 21:44:00] rapidtrades : well it's more that the idea sucks...the order panel is to the side and the center is empty...cos charts are shit and don't work most of the time
[2016-02-23 21:44:39] rapidtrades : it's like smone blew up the old UI and scattered parts of it all over
[2016-02-23 21:45:04] BTCDJS : its not that bad
[2016-02-23 21:45:05] tradedesk : hehe thats a way to put it
[2016-02-23 21:45:16] justinlooking : i prefer it. am i in minority?
[2016-02-23 21:45:25] rapidtrades : justinlooking: yes
[2016-02-23 21:45:39] rapidtrades : it's you and this other guy
[2016-02-23 21:45:43] justinlooking : rapidtrades: lol. well u can put trollbox over chart with fiddle if it bothers u that much
[2016-02-23 21:46:00] rapidtrades : then it blocks part of the orders
[2016-02-23 21:46:07] rapidtrades : and positions
[2016-02-23 21:46:31] rapidtrades : it's locked to the bottom so u can't center it
[2016-02-23 21:46:55] tradedesk : and trollbox is most important feature of the platform, how else do we get inside information from bitcoin CEO
[2016-02-23 21:47:13] rapidtrades : yeah clearly has to be centered
[2016-02-23 21:47:33] BTCDJS : troll box has to be centred?
[2016-02-23 21:47:44] rapidtrades : /s
[2016-02-23 21:47:52] habibi : whether its on the left or right side or center as u suggest its blocking something
[2016-02-23 21:47:57] BTCDJS : nah mate you're having a larf
[2016-02-23 21:47:58] habibi : or its so small that u read 5-6 lines at max
[2016-02-23 21:48:17] habibi : even on the left side its blocking open interest intel and so
[2016-02-23 21:48:24] justinlooking : rapidtrades: using chrome?
[2016-02-23 21:48:25] rapidtrades : i always have it small and it still blocks half of important stuff
[2016-02-23 21:48:25] tradedesk : i zoomed out to 75% and read 12 lines now and still see my positions
[2016-02-23 21:48:26] BTCDJS : yeah i agree the troll box is blocking shit
[2016-02-23 21:48:41] habibi : old ui was good
[2016-02-23 21:48:44] habibi : good old times
[2016-02-23 21:48:47] Tulip_stefan : Just have the trollbox fullscreen on a diferent tab... Or use an irc client.
[2016-02-23 21:48:51] rapidtrades : old UI was perfect
[2016-02-23 21:50:02] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: i only have two screens. and i don't fancy putting to windows on one screen.
[2016-02-23 21:50:16] Tulip_stefan : I have only one screen.
[2016-02-23 21:50:39] justinlooking : https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0a4f22e27ffc8e586e0b
[2016-02-23 21:50:57] justinlooking : `w = 500; h = 400; l = 350; t = 140;` to put trollbox over chart
[2016-02-23 21:51:01] BTCDJS : how can you be on the platform and have the trollbox fullscreen with only one screen?
[2016-02-23 21:51:04] justinlooking : ymmv
[2016-02-23 21:51:42] BTCDJS : unless you aren't trading and bitmex is your glorified social chatroom
[2016-02-23 21:51:56] Tulip_stefan : i have the trollbox on the left.
[2016-02-23 21:52:20] Tulip_stefan : i actually like the charts as it shows my entry and order positions.
[2016-02-23 21:52:39] BTCDJS : on the left of a full screen
[2016-02-23 21:52:42] Tulip_stefan : the order history panel is crap though. I want a panel that only shows my filled trades.
[2016-02-23 21:53:21] Tulip_stefan : i don't have it maximized. I was merely suggesting that you could maximize it. I was running it maximized most of the time until i had my bot up.
[2016-02-23 21:53:24] tradedesk : and only my trades
[2016-02-23 21:54:03] Tulip_stefan : I also don't get the 'closed positions' panel. What's that supposed to do?
[2016-02-23 21:54:15] Tulip_stefan : it only displays an empty line with eth7D for me.
[2016-02-23 21:54:33] rapidtrades : it shows ur closed pnl
[2016-02-23 21:54:33] tradedesk : anyone noticed that /app/tradeHistory shows other ppl's trades to? or is it just me?
[2016-02-23 21:54:38] BTCDJS : positions you've closed showing your PNL before settlement
[2016-02-23 21:55:08] Tulip_stefan : apparently going from a long position directly into a short position isn't considered 'closing'...
[2016-02-23 21:55:14] BitMEX_Sam : Admittedly it's less useful now than it used to be, now that the majority of our contracts relist.
[2016-02-23 21:55:34] Tulip_stefan : Ahh, so that's how it works.
[2016-02-23 21:55:35] BitMEX_Sam : And yes, swapping the side of a position isn't closing. We have a ticket open in our internal tracker to make this information better
[2016-02-23 21:55:40] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: ?
[2016-02-23 21:55:55] Tulip_stefan : Cool.
[2016-02-23 21:55:55] BitMEX_Sam : By the way, United in-flight internet, less bad than you'd think.
[2016-02-23 21:57:00] BTCDJS : dude. if i set a stop limit order. Can i change the stop price while the order is active? @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-02-23 21:58:05] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: At this time you can't, even via the API. I'll bug Wally, that makes sense to add to the amend call.
[2016-02-23 21:59:15] BitMEX_Sam : Best way to handle it for now is to cancel & replace.
[2016-02-23 21:59:31] BTCDJS : damn so if i set a stop price I've got to be damn confident that market will reach that price. Id have to be some boy to predict that accurately
[2016-02-23 21:59:50] rapidtrades : cancel the order
[2016-02-23 22:00:11] BitMEX_Sam : Well, it's a stop. It's even better if it doesn't trigger at all.
[2016-02-23 22:00:12] BTCDJS : so if a stop limit is triggered and active i can cancel and still gain the profit?
[2016-02-23 22:00:26] BitMEX_Sam : Not sure if you're using a stop limit the way it's meant to be used.
[2016-02-23 22:00:33] BTCDJS : hmmm
[2016-02-23 22:00:43] BTCDJS : i haven't used it yet.
[2016-02-23 22:01:11] BitMEX_Sam : They're meant to be used to limit your loss - say you enter at 420, you might put a stop in a 410 to gracefully exit your position with a loss rather than get liquidated
[2016-02-23 22:01:18] BitMEX_Sam : But we plan to introduce a new kind of order, a stop loss / take profit pair
[2016-02-23 22:01:22] BTCDJS : but I'm assuming limit price is what i buy and stop price is where it sells right?
[2016-02-23 22:01:29] BitMEX_Sam : No
[2016-02-23 22:01:38] BTCDJS : oh shit
[2016-02-23 22:01:41] BitMEX_Sam : Stop price is the trigger price - the order won't hit the book until that price is hit.
[2016-02-23 22:01:45] BTCDJS : ok i understand now
[2016-02-23 22:01:51] BitMEX_Sam : Once it does get hit, the limit price is the price of the order that hits the book.
[2016-02-23 22:03:29] BTCDJS : i understand now
[2016-02-23 22:06:02] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: wait. is liquidation more costly in fees than if i set a stop
[2016-02-23 22:06:42] BitMEX_Sam : It's more costly in that a liquidation happens slightly before you actually become bankrupt so that the system has a small buffer with which to close the position
[2016-02-23 22:06:48] BitMEX_Sam : Whereas if you close yourself, you have that buffer to work with and might close with some equity left
[2016-02-23 22:07:06] BitMEX_Sam : See https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation#liquidations
[2016-02-23 22:07:06] BTCDJS : ok
[2016-02-23 22:07:14] BTCDJS : good to know
[2016-02-23 22:07:30] BTCDJS : rapid you got that?
[2016-02-23 22:07:30] gustavo7 : such a weak market
[2016-02-23 22:07:51] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: u already have an open ticket concerning position not showing on mobile?
[2016-02-23 22:07:52] rapidtrades : yeah surprisingly weak
[2016-02-23 22:08:10] rapidtrades : i think sam's on a plane lol
[2016-02-23 22:08:26] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: That was actually intentional as that panel was getting rather large
[2016-02-23 22:08:46] BitMEX_Sam : I plan to split the leverage, contract details, & current position into another widget on mobile
[2016-02-23 22:09:22] gustavo7 : lol that 1 contract selling
[2016-02-23 22:09:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4250 @ 418.60
[2016-02-23 22:12:11] BTCDJS : well guys I'm calling it a night. f this market
[2016-02-23 22:12:18] ayy lmao : market maker spotted
[2016-02-23 22:12:23] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: good, but right now, I can't really trade on mobile
[2016-02-23 22:12:30] gustavo7 : :05 -5min candle on huobi was <1k vol
[2016-02-23 22:12:53] BitMEX_Sam : Your positions list is present as always
[2016-02-23 22:13:05] BitMEX_Sam : I agree that it's inconveniently placed, however
[2016-02-23 22:13:14] tscha : I can't see my position... I would have to scroll down the whole site (through orderbook, recent trades, chart, margin etc..) to see it
[2016-02-23 22:13:27] tscha : then scroll all the way back up to place an order
[2016-02-23 22:13:41] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Understood. I'm going to fix this now
[2016-02-23 22:13:51] tscha : ty <3
[2016-02-23 22:14:31] rapidtrades : dunno how ppl trade on mobile, disaster waiting to happen
[2016-02-23 22:14:44] tscha : and maybe make it harder on mobile to adjust leverage, I accidentally switched my leverage on a touch pad while scrolling, happened to other users too
[2016-02-23 22:15:00] tscha : have a good flight
[2016-02-23 22:16:29] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: I'm anticipating the price to drop to 406. i want to create a small long order. and I'm going to confidently gamble that price will go up to 414 within 48h. can i set an automatic sell/closing position price so i don't have to manually do it?
[2016-02-23 22:16:36] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah. Plan is to hide that by default - due to the way the slider works I need to spend much more time with it to develop heuristics for what a touch-enabled scroll looks like versus an intentional change of the slider
[2016-02-23 22:17:16] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: Yes, you don't need a stop for this - once you enter your position, simply create a limit to exit it
[2016-02-23 22:17:22] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: stop limit, stop 406, limit sell at 414?
[2016-02-23 22:17:31] BitMEX_Sam : e.g. place your long at 406. Once it is filled, place a limit sell at 414
[2016-02-23 22:17:38] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: he wants to go to bed
[2016-02-23 22:18:03] BTCDJS : ha ha ha ffs. shows you how tired i am. I already know this
[2016-02-23 22:18:20] rapidtrades : limit buy at 406 and the stop limit above
[2016-02-23 22:18:36] rapidtrades : should work but i haven't tried it myself
[2016-02-23 22:18:55] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: no mate thats not how stop limits work
[2016-02-23 22:18:59] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-02-23 22:19:11] BTCDJS : sam just explained it to me
[2016-02-23 22:20:45] BTCDJS : 22:01 - BitMEX_Sam: They're meant to be used to limit your loss - say you enter at 420, you might put a stop in a 410 to gracefully exit your position with a loss rather than get liquidated
[2016-02-23 22:20:51] rapidtrades : i just did it pleb, limit 414 stop 406, use same size as ur limit
[2016-02-23 22:21:02] rapidtrades : add limit buy at 406
[2016-02-23 22:21:04] BTCDJS : read
[2016-02-23 22:24:38] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: does my order have to be open before i can set a counter order at 0 cost?
[2016-02-23 22:25:07] tradedesk : BTCDJS yes
[2016-02-23 22:25:29] BTCDJS : then this aint going to work
[2016-02-23 22:25:47] tradedesk : nope, or you could go in 50% instead of 100%
[2016-02-23 22:27:21] BTCDJS : ah leave it. ill just open a long position at 406 and hopefully market is just as slow when i wake up
[2016-02-23 22:27:40] Tulip_stefan : that's stupid.
[2016-02-23 22:27:59] tradedesk : i can give you my address now, so you can just send the coins?
[2016-02-23 22:28:01] Tulip_stefan : your accuracy to predict the market -if any- decreases when predicting further ahead.
[2016-02-23 22:29:48] rapidtrades : that's bullshit
[2016-02-23 22:30:55] sleger : accuracy as in % of good predictions ?
[2016-02-23 22:31:59] Tulip_stefan : i wasn't aiming at a specific definition. If you decide now that 406 is a good price to buy, there is no guarantee that in 3 hours, when the market conditions have changed, that is still a good price.
[2016-02-23 22:32:03] habibi : sleger: did u get use to new ui?
[2016-02-23 22:32:33] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: fair point...i wouldn't put resting orrders in this type of market, especially buys
[2016-02-23 22:33:58] Tulip_stefan : I should also point out that stop losses are bullshit for the exact same reason and more, but i don't have time to get into that now.
[2016-02-23 22:34:30] rapidtrades : ''stop losses are bullshit'' Tulip 2016
[2016-02-23 22:35:09] habibi : Tulip_stefan: as u are not holding any positions for longer than 10 seconds stop losses are bullshit, true
[2016-02-23 22:35:32] Tulip_stefan : I hold my positions for an average of a day.
[2016-02-23 22:36:03] rapidtrades : ur a poor risk manager
[2016-02-23 22:36:09] uiop : Tulip_stefan: why are stop losses bullshit?
[2016-02-23 22:36:24] rapidtrades : disaster waiitng to happen, no wonder u lost 30% in a day
[2016-02-23 22:36:54] tradedesk : 30% without stop loss, that is a good day for most
[2016-02-23 22:37:15] Tulip_stefan : i actually gained approx 18% today.
[2016-02-23 22:37:23] tradedesk : i gained 280%
[2016-02-23 22:37:32] Tulip_stefan : well done.
[2016-02-23 22:37:51] tradedesk : must say i am no longer playing with the 12btc :(
[2016-02-23 22:38:08] habibi : 18% on 100x is like whatever 0.3$-0.4$ move?
[2016-02-23 22:38:30] habibi : 0.8 actually rather * but still
[2016-02-23 22:38:46] sleger : someone doesnt know how to easily divide by 100 ?
[2016-02-23 22:39:00] Tulip_stefan : Anyway, stop losses are bullshit because orders executed on arbitrary rules have the tendency to execute in spikes. At such moments, the liquidity is at a minimum. Ergo, they trigger exactly when the liquidity goes to hell.
[2016-02-23 22:39:16] Tulip_stefan : 18% on my entire account balance.
[2016-02-23 22:39:46] habibi : Tulip_stefan: its all about where u put these stop losses
[2016-02-23 22:41:11] Tulip_stefan : Uhh... no it isn't. You want your orders to execute when the liquidity is at maximum. When your stop loss triggers, the liquidity is by definition not at maximum.
[2016-02-23 22:42:17] tradedesk : one could argue, rater have low liquidity then full liquidation
[2016-02-23 22:43:16] uiop : Tulip_stefan: then put your stop far enough beyond resistances so that the inevitable breakout attempt (successful or non) spikes don't whack you
[2016-02-23 22:43:29] tradedesk : and counter argument, don't sleep with a 100x open
[2016-02-23 22:44:18] Tulip_stefan : uiop: flash crashes say hi.
[2016-02-23 22:45:29] uiop : Tulip_stefan: and so do dumps that aren't V shaped
[2016-02-23 22:46:23] uiop : Tulip_stefan: what is the alternative? it sounds like you're saying that you prefer to manually work out of a position when some certain point where a winning outcome has become unlikely enough
[2016-02-23 22:46:40] uiop : that's still a stop, just not a "stop order"
[2016-02-23 22:47:15] Tulip_stefan : detecting the difference between a flash crash and a dump a cool algorithm, maybe. With a simple trigger, not a chance.
[2016-02-23 22:47:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 248 @ 421.34
[2016-02-23 22:47:48] Tulip_stefan : uiop: the alternative is to hold until you can determine, with your own eyes, what a safe exit is.
[2016-02-23 22:48:06] uiop : i mean, with leverage you got an absolute hard stop you can't cancel... liquidation when account goes to $0
[2016-02-23 22:49:05] Tulip_stefan : Exactly. And that is why you should never ever let yourself get liquidated. If it's a dump, okay, if it's a flash crash, you just lost all your funds.
[2016-02-23 22:50:53] uiop : if you're trading a position size where it's very unlikely the market will move enough to liquidate you (whole account) in a certain time period, then sure, you have time
[2016-02-23 22:51:50] peachesgirl : Bitmex sam hi. I want to congratulate n thk u for the changes
[2016-02-23 22:52:08] Tulip_stefan : uiop: If you don't have that time then you should have never taken that position in the first place.
[2016-02-23 22:52:09] uiop : but even so, it's not an a priori fact that that strategy's always more profitable than a strategy that systematically uses "dumb" stops
[2016-02-23 22:52:11] peachesgirl : As i feel safer here as having no stops was suicide
[2016-02-23 22:52:25] habibi : stop were before here
[2016-02-23 22:52:28] peachesgirl : Also for the diff lev positions
[2016-02-23 22:52:29] habibi : stops*
[2016-02-23 22:53:00] peachesgirl : The stop ia the sell or buy stop orders
[2016-02-23 22:53:18] uiop : Tulip_stefan: no, it's if you havent accepted the risk you shouldnt have taken the position in the first place
[2016-02-23 22:53:46] uiop : and having a maximum loss set before entry is a key part of that
[2016-02-23 22:54:17] uiop : however the exit's achieved
[2016-02-23 22:55:49] Tulip_stefan : The statistics don't work out like that. If you can't exit without slippage, don't exit. The only exception is when you exit hard enough to cause socialized losses/DPE for everyone else.
[2016-02-23 22:58:13] habibi : Tulip_stefan: how can u exit and causing any dpe ? probally didnt get ur post propertly
[2016-02-23 23:00:35] habibi : or u mean liquidations?
[2016-02-23 23:00:46] Tulip_stefan : If your position is large enough that exiting it cause DPE, that exit may be preferable to holding a less risky position with a lower leverage amount.
[2016-02-23 23:01:22] habibi : by exit u mean liquidation right?
[2016-02-23 23:01:46] uiop : Tulip_stefan: "If you can't exit without slippage, don't exit."..... so you're assuming that there will be another opportunity to exit for LESS of a loss that you'd take had you exited then (with slippage)
[2016-02-23 23:01:47] Tulip_stefan : Not necessary liquidation, also large market order.
[2016-02-23 23:01:59] uiop : because without that assumption, i don't follow your logic
[2016-02-23 23:02:02] habibi : large market order cant do a shit here
[2016-02-23 23:03:28] uiop : and *with* that assumption, i don't think that's a safe or valid long-term assumption to make as a trader
[2016-02-23 23:03:48] Tulip_stefan : uiop: i'm not assuming that. I'm just assuming that the chance you can exit at a better position is higher than 50%. Which it is.
[2016-02-23 23:05:00] uiop : oh, ok. what's the expected additional loss in cases where that does not occur, and what's the expected additional lesser-loss in cases it does?
[2016-02-23 23:05:00] Tulip_stefan : Well it is in a random walk. You can make up your own mind whether that applies here.
[2016-02-23 23:05:28] uiop : if you actually knew those numbers then that's a thought out thing
[2016-02-23 23:07:09] Tulip_stefan : uiop: simple: the expected loss of a liquidation/market-order-stoploss compared to a safe exit at a later time is equal to the slippage.
[2016-02-23 23:10:29] uiop : the way you phrase that though means you need to consider *negative* slippages, since the "safe" exit isn't guaranteed to be at a lesser loss
[2016-02-23 23:11:04] uiop : i think we're starting to talk about the same thing tho
[2016-02-23 23:11:06] uiop : gotta run
[2016-02-23 23:11:10] Tulip_stefan : y
[2016-02-23 23:13:58] uiop : Tulip_stefan: because, consider a case where the hard "dumb" stop location you *would have used* is at a price that's only blown through on the way to a -50% drop in, say, BTCUSD. there are no "safe exit" points in time where the price you could exit at is better than the price the dumb stop would've achieved
[2016-02-23 23:14:37] uiop : unless you're willing to wait until the price then does +101% to get back above the "dump stop" location
[2016-02-23 23:14:57] uiop : i'm just -50% as an extreme to illustrate the point
[2016-02-23 23:16:54] Tulip_stefan : there are plenty of situations where my advice wouldn't work. It's just the case most of the time. No you aren't guaranteed to be able to exit safer when you wait, you're just able to exit safe more than half of the time. If you make enough trades that's the only thing that matters.
[2016-02-23 23:18:05] Tulip_stefan : you can think of situations where the stop loss would be preferable, but you can never decide that beforehand. If you can. Congratulations, you've beat the random walk.
[2016-02-23 23:22:05] Tulip_stefan : I should really go to bed now, we can talk again thursday
[2016-02-23 23:57:09] rapidtrades : let's not :)
[2016-02-24 00:26:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 889 @ 423.24
[2016-02-24 00:27:24] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 2 @ 424.62 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-24 00:29:34] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 7524 @ 425.11
[2016-02-24 00:44:38] zanza : hey rapidtrades
[2016-02-24 00:44:45] zanza : making money?
[2016-02-24 00:45:01] sleger : with his long at 445 ?
[2016-02-24 00:46:22] laisee : have to call that one an 'investment'
[2016-02-24 00:47:46] zanza : lol maybe he arbed sleger :)
[2016-02-24 00:47:59] sleger : how ?
[2016-02-24 00:49:03] laisee : some kind of ETH/BTC reverse carry trade
[2016-02-24 00:51:24] sleger : the only trade i ever did on eth was here over past 3 days until 24h ago and i made 1.84 btc, pure luck
[2016-02-24 00:53:03] rapidtrades : my avg is 400-405...the one at 447 was only 300 cont by mistake
[2016-02-24 00:53:20] rapidtrades : had a short, entered bigger amount as tp
[2016-02-24 00:53:31] rapidtrades : f the UI
[2016-02-24 00:54:12] rapidtrades : i ate the loss on that one aound 436, didn't rollover the daily
[2016-02-24 00:55:31] sleger : hmm you had a short and at 447 you entered a buy as "take profit"
[2016-02-24 00:55:56] rapidtrades : yep...ended up with a long
[2016-02-24 00:56:16] rapidtrades : tried to get cute with it instead of exiting right away
[2016-02-24 00:56:33] sleger : you had a short from what price ?
[2016-02-24 00:56:43] rapidtrades : 448 or smth
[2016-02-24 00:56:56] sleger : ah ok, not 300 then ;)
[2016-02-24 01:00:03] sleger : what made you go from your long time short to long at 400 ?
[2016-02-24 01:00:43] rapidtrades : trend changed
[2016-02-24 01:01:24] sleger : so you're probably long for a while now ?
[2016-02-24 01:01:56] rapidtrades : 10 days
[2016-02-24 01:02:24] sleger : oh whatever happens to the price ? that's weird
[2016-02-24 01:02:38] rapidtrades : what lol
[2016-02-24 01:02:50] sleger : all my logic is always path dependent so i never know for how long i will be in a position, depends what happens
[2016-02-24 01:03:21] rapidtrades : yeah of course...i don't use time limits
[2016-02-24 01:03:44] sleger : but you said 10 days
[2016-02-24 01:04:01] rapidtrades : well i entered it 10 days ago
[2016-02-24 01:04:27] sleger : ah that i know is not true
[2016-02-24 01:04:53] sleger : because less than 7 days ago (when you were still short) , after the price increased a lot i asked you how your short was doing
[2016-02-24 01:05:03] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-24 01:05:04] sleger : and you said that you cut most of it and only had 20% open
[2016-02-24 01:05:15] sleger : so you were still short
[2016-02-24 01:05:17] rapidtrades : are u sure it was 10 days ago :)
[2016-02-24 01:05:35] rapidtrades : cos i have time stamped trades from 14.2 lol
[2016-02-24 01:05:37] sleger : well if i have time i could search the archive via the api and prove it
[2016-02-24 01:05:44] rapidtrades : yeah u do that :)
[2016-02-24 01:08:50] rapidtrades : actually ur right...i trade 2 systems, i had a very small short on until 7 days ago...but i had entered a much larger long 10 days ago
[2016-02-24 01:09:14] rapidtrades : the switch to net long was 10 days ago though
[2016-02-24 01:10:40] rapidtrades : most around 400, rest around 405 when the second system switched short>long
[2016-02-24 01:11:40] zanza : Did Etherium die yet?
[2016-02-24 01:13:34] rapidtrades : not yet
[2016-02-24 01:15:01] rapidtrades : funny how that spamcoin rallied 30% yday and btc got crushed
[2016-02-24 01:17:19] sleger : rapidtrades: yes, was around then : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/chat?count=500&start=110500&reverse=false
[2016-02-24 01:20:06] rapidtrades : also most of my short was exited below 400, so u could've asked that in the period before i had the long on...what date is that chat from
[2016-02-24 01:20:47] rapidtrades : not that it matters much, we stayed flat for 3 days after we broke 400
[2016-02-24 01:23:12] sleger : i'm long too now but if in 12 hours we reach 440 i exit a good half of it
[2016-02-24 01:25:19] zanza : I think we are bouncing between like 380 and 450 range
[2016-02-24 01:25:23] rapidtrades : if we get to $445 we'll prolly break it
[2016-02-24 01:25:27] zanza : until something breaks
[2016-02-24 01:26:00] rapidtrades : 440 is neither here nor there, anything can happen
[2016-02-24 01:26:22] rapidtrades : prolly not a bad spot to tp
[2016-02-24 01:30:19] rapidtrades : this selling has been brutal...usually during bull runs we recover pretty quickly
[2016-02-24 01:30:34] rapidtrades : now its new low after low
[2016-02-24 01:30:51] rapidtrades : wouldn't be surprised if this goes back below 400
[2016-02-24 01:34:04] laisee : BTC is dying, again. Until some good news.
[2016-02-24 01:38:05] laisee : haven't heard any good news like XXXX now accepting payment via BTC for a while.
[2016-02-24 01:38:55] habibi : there are these kinds of news pretty often, just market dont react to that anymore
[2016-02-24 01:39:53] laisee : k. maybe because it's not affecting growth of actual use?
[2016-02-24 01:44:59] habibi : ofc its all about hype
[2016-02-24 01:46:26] laisee : oh. maybe the hype boat has sailed already for BTC?
[2016-02-24 01:47:17] rapidtrades : bitcoin is the ultimate speculative vehicle.....
[2016-02-24 01:47:38] laisee : true, dat. Except ETH is even better ...
[2016-02-24 01:48:17] rapidtrades : its only used by speculators :P
[2016-02-24 01:48:50] laisee : so it has some solid use cases. /s
[2016-02-24 02:08:30] vbmithr : Hi there
[2016-02-24 02:08:49] zanza : all cryptos are tied to BTC
[2016-02-24 02:31:09] zanza : if BTC takes off and continues to be successful, I think there will be room for a few good altcoins.
[2016-02-24 02:35:07] zanza : Whaleclub BitMEX meetup was interesting
[2016-02-24 02:37:53] laisee : zanza: do tell
[2016-02-24 02:40:29] vbmithr : BTC already successful I think
[2016-02-24 02:44:01] zanza : laisee: Whaleclub interviewed Wally and Arthur about the paltform, and some of the new changes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BuDFpZaL08
[2016-02-24 02:44:23] zanza : they cover a lot of topics but was pretty interesting
[2016-02-24 02:57:28] laisee : thanks for link. will catch up on that sometime.
[2016-02-24 03:19:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 499 @ 420.97
[2016-02-24 04:12:10] vbmithr : thanks for the link :)
[2016-02-24 04:53:54] TraderStefan : Is it possible to create a post-only order with the rest api?
[2016-02-24 04:54:57] vbmithr : yes
[2016-02-24 04:55:10] TraderStefan : I can't see it mentioned in the API Explorer
[2016-02-24 04:56:43] vbmithr : true…
[2016-02-24 04:56:46] vbmithr : STRML: ?
[2016-02-24 04:56:49] j8 : TraderStefan: it's called ParticipateDoNotInitiate
[2016-02-24 04:57:14] TraderStefan : ah, thank you
[2016-02-24 04:57:21] j8 : np
[2016-02-24 05:49:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 7101 @ 418.16
[2016-02-24 05:49:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 8 @ 418.80
[2016-02-24 05:52:49] laisee : 400, next stop
[2016-02-24 05:55:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1000 @ 417.67
[2016-02-24 05:56:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 44 @ 429.66
[2016-02-24 05:56:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 6 @ 428.52
[2016-02-24 05:56:36] REKT : Next stop - goblin town!
[2016-02-24 05:56:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2000 @ 413.43
[2016-02-24 05:56:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 2500 @ 428.79
[2016-02-24 05:56:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 3000 @ 426.91
[2016-02-24 05:59:30] ayy lmao : rekt bot is best thing about trollbox
[2016-02-24 06:09:26] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 225 @ 0.01369
[2016-02-24 06:13:26] jung1 : so now its official
[2016-02-24 06:13:30] jung1 : bitcoin is dead
[2016-02-24 06:14:14] tradedesk : it is so alive, don't you look at the chart?
[2016-02-24 06:14:39] tradedesk : going down hard, but that's the only sign of life i need :D
[2016-02-24 06:15:17] jung1 : whats you bets?
[2016-02-24 06:15:20] jung1 : 400 today?
[2016-02-24 06:15:42] tradedesk : 406 this week lowest
[2016-02-24 06:17:27] tradedesk : else miners will panic, keep an eye on both coinbase (user sentiment) and woodchopper (miners and chinese investor)
[2016-02-24 06:20:55] jung1 : if btc will fall down to <400 its possible that eth will be pumped for even $10
[2016-02-24 06:21:09] jung1 : polo buying hard
[2016-02-24 06:21:29] jung1 : and chart looks like bitcoin chart in November '13
[2016-02-24 06:22:43] tradedesk : you mean i t looks like a mtgox scam?
[2016-02-24 06:23:40] tradedesk : this week smart money is long on FX:USD
[2016-02-24 06:24:20] jung1 : yes
[2016-02-24 08:13:33] rapidtrades : still not giving up that premium huh
[2016-02-24 08:13:42] rapidtrades : I like your spirit fellas
[2016-02-24 08:14:33] rapidtrades : what's with the f laaag
[2016-02-24 08:56:35] ayy lmao : i no rite
[2016-02-24 08:56:39] ayy lmao : fucking plebs
[2016-02-24 10:17:30] rapidtrades : there is no f bounce man...
[2016-02-24 10:17:47] rapidtrades : down $20 up $6...we're f*Cked
[2016-02-24 10:36:50] tscha : you.. not we :)
[2016-02-24 10:39:50] rapidtrades : WE
[2016-02-24 10:44:45] Johnny1989 : how to use laverager
[2016-02-24 10:52:52] tscha : Johnny1989: click on help, there are some guides/references about it
[2016-02-24 10:53:24] tscha : Johnny1989: I'm on mobile, so can't send you direct links unfortunately
[2016-02-24 10:54:30] Johnny1989 : tscha: ty so much
[2016-02-24 10:54:52] tscha : Johnny1989: no prob johnny
[2016-02-24 11:18:32] tradedesk : rapidtrades: settlement magic, you'll see we go over on bitstamp price in 20 minutes and you're happy and in the profit ;-)
[2016-02-24 11:45:07] gustavo7 : $3 above bitstamp, wtf
[2016-02-24 11:57:10] lockhedge : $0.2 below Bitfinex
[2016-02-24 12:00:55] gustavo7 : dat premium settlement
[2016-02-24 12:01:21] rapidtrades : what is the talking about
[2016-02-24 12:11:52] rapidtrades : i don't see any major premium on the charts...then again, the charts are shit
[2016-02-24 12:12:14] chromaticcr : The index is shit too
[2016-02-24 12:29:37] BTCDJS : this whole UI is balls
[2016-02-24 12:30:12] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: lol, didn't u praise the new UI when it came out
[2016-02-24 12:30:34] rapidtrades : ''it's sooo nice master Sam'' BTCDJS 2016
[2016-02-24 12:30:36] BTCDJS : ha ha I'm just trying to get you started again.
[2016-02-24 12:30:44] rapidtrades : ah crap
[2016-02-24 12:31:03] BTCDJS : besides. i said it wasn't that bad
[2016-02-24 12:31:25] BTCDJS : i would prefer movable boxes so i can arrange it the way i like it
[2016-02-24 12:32:45] rapidtrades : movable boxes wont fix the issue of the order panel...it's long asand can't be centererd
[2016-02-24 12:33:42] BTCDJS : yeah as in moving it where you want it. centre left right big or small....
[2016-02-24 12:36:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT48H`: Buy 500 @ 421.53
[2016-02-24 12:36:19] BTCDJS : jesus
[2016-02-24 12:37:50] BTCDJS : how come thats moved so quick but my training view hasn't moved at all?
[2016-02-24 12:38:46] rapidtrades : cos chart's shit
[2016-02-24 12:40:02] BTCDJS : gotta get back to work. i just liquidated a small amount. obviously i haven't got time for this.
[2016-02-24 12:40:47] rapidtrades : yeah don't trade and roof man
[2016-02-24 12:45:46] Teddy76 : strange BTC market since few days
[2016-02-24 12:49:47] Teddy76 : great fight !
[2016-02-24 13:51:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3 @ 420.64 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-24 14:29:50] tscha : bitcoin network is such a joke right now.. withdrawal from yesterday is still not confirmed - with 0.003 btc fee
[2016-02-24 14:30:40] sleger : maybe high fees transactions are like long term quantos, they lag the cash ...
[2016-02-24 14:30:42] tscha : oh, I see, due to it being a special transaction (and being large) I should have added more fee
[2016-02-24 14:31:42] tscha : Probably related to their multi-sig method. Addresses starting with 3 are newer and special right?
[2016-02-24 14:32:12] j8 : yeah they are bigger, 0.003 should be plenty though, sure it wasn't 0.0003?
[2016-02-24 14:33:18] tscha : sorry, 0.0003, you are right. Still 3x more than I normally pay for "normal" bitcoin transactions
[2016-02-24 14:33:21] rapidtrades : lol $1.26 fee?
[2016-02-24 14:33:42] rapidtrades : i pay 6 cents
[2016-02-24 14:33:54] sleger : this guy is too cheap
[2016-02-24 14:33:57] rapidtrades : well 8.4 with the new prices
[2016-02-24 14:34:05] j8 : multisig is more expensive, thats the reality
[2016-02-24 14:34:21] rapidtrades : how much should i pay for multisig
[2016-02-24 14:34:45] tscha : j8: yeah, seems so... transaction is also 40x larger in size
[2016-02-24 14:34:54] rapidtrades : wow how come
[2016-02-24 14:35:07] sleger : 0.001
[2016-02-24 14:35:09] j8 : i normally leave it at 0.0005 when withdrawing from bitmex
[2016-02-24 14:35:30] j8 : you don't really know how many inputs it will have unfortunately
[2016-02-24 14:35:42] sleger : i change it to 0.0003 because that's enough in general to be treated quick
[2016-02-24 14:36:04] tscha : thats what I did too, but j8 is right, multisig is more costly
[2016-02-24 14:36:11] tscha : and now blocks are full
[2016-02-24 14:36:34] rapidtrades : how are blocks ''full'' ur 40x transaction is the problem
[2016-02-24 14:36:34] laisee : bitcoin is a such a cool payment network, so many open questions and decisions given for free /s
[2016-02-24 14:36:41] sleger : he was also right yesterday when he explained you why long term quantos follow spot and even more on sharp down moves
[2016-02-24 14:36:51] chromaticcr : and (chinese) miners arestubborn
[2016-02-24 14:37:13] tscha : sleger: you can't generalize that. it depends on the situation
[2016-02-24 14:37:27] rapidtrades : tscha: it does not
[2016-02-24 14:37:34] laisee : chinese miners has 18m payback period, or less. beyond that is ... infinity.
[2016-02-24 14:38:03] sleger : rapidtrades: blocks are pretty big : https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=60days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
[2016-02-24 14:39:10] tscha : saying quantos always follow spot "even more" is as wrong as saying that they never follow spot as much.... it depends on situation, j8 summarized that quite well yesterday
[2016-02-24 14:39:18] mrp1nk : eth moon
[2016-02-24 14:39:49] j8 : it's all about fee per size, you can see the current average on tradeblock, there's no problem with large transactions if you pay the fee. all the low fee, low value tx's are what's causing bloat, they'll get squeezed out by fees.
[2016-02-24 14:39:49] tscha : So now no more 0.0003 fee... gonna keep it 0.0005 next time
[2016-02-24 14:39:51] chromaticcr : last time my wd is 1141 bytes, 2 inputs, 2 outputs, 1BTC. A simple non-multisig tx shouldbe somewhere 200-300 bytes
[2016-02-24 14:40:53] sleger : tscha: on a sharpe up move they will overshoot spot (climb higher) and reverse on sharpe down move. You could just admit your initial statement was incorrect, I didnt want to tell you why, j8 did, admit it and move on.
[2016-02-24 14:41:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 30 @ 0.01423
[2016-02-24 14:42:27] tscha : sleger: Nope. The reverse (on downmove) is not always true because long-terms gain a lot of value from implied volatility rise... I told you yesterday, you even agreed, but it seemed you didn't understand
[2016-02-24 14:44:11] sleger : but as someone else told you, another effect will always overcompensate. Stop saying i dont understand, I knew all this from the beginning, I just dont want to hand you over the answer, j8 shouldnt have either
[2016-02-24 14:44:43] laisee : GARCH 'splains it all ... and trader stoopidity.
[2016-02-24 14:44:45] j8 : wow, you guys are still talking about this!
[2016-02-24 14:44:49] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 37 @ 424.57
[2016-02-24 14:46:41] tscha : No clue why you always quote j8 as your witness when he actually agreed that it depends on the situation and higher implied volatility can make long-term quantos drop less
[2016-02-24 14:47:49] laisee : j8: we have auto-regressive heteroskedastic troll box topics involving certain traders.
[2016-02-24 14:48:26] j8 : i think it's complex and you both basically get it and are arguing over minor details and choice of words
[2016-02-24 14:48:29] j8 : laisee: lol
[2016-02-24 14:49:20] laisee : j8: like 2 bald guys fighting over a comb.
[2016-02-24 14:49:37] j8 : but really i think these are mostly traded by a few people, so it's whatever they think
[2016-02-24 14:50:05] tscha : long terms?
[2016-02-24 14:51:01] j8 : yeah, well sleger's talked about having like half of open interest, i've had probably a quarter at times
[2016-02-24 14:52:06] tscha : yeah. although liquidity seems to be here now due to micmix' bots
[2016-02-24 14:53:25] j8 : `H16` took a nosedive when he started quoting :)
[2016-02-24 14:54:29] sleger : XBTH16 -141247
[2016-02-24 14:54:36] sleger : I dont think the main MM bot is micmix though
[2016-02-24 14:54:54] sleger : *is NOT
[2016-02-24 14:55:22] sleger : and fyi im going through the archive and find the wrong statement
[2016-02-24 14:56:15] tscha : haha... but don't forget your wrong statments :)
[2016-02-24 14:58:19] tscha : out of context quotes incoming :)
[2016-02-24 14:58:34] sleger : havent found the original discussion yet but yesterday statement : ""2016-02-23T18:40:41.754Z","user":"tscha","message":"we were talking about the classic/Hearn situation in january. Stable price, then sudden move down, where I said that in this situation, they kinda lag spot on the way down. And this is because of increased implied volatility due to the sudden move, which adds value to long term quantos. And this is all correct, so.. stop embarrassing yourself now ok""
[2016-02-24 14:58:48] sleger : was incorrect because then H16 overshoot spot
[2016-02-24 14:59:22] davidjames : have insiderinfo about bitcoin text me at 14793131631
[2016-02-24 15:00:10] sleger : davidjames: so you're in the US and have AT&T?
[2016-02-24 15:00:36] davidjames : yes i do
[2016-02-24 15:00:38] laisee : davidjames: costs nothing to type the info here
[2016-02-24 15:00:55] davidjames : i know
[2016-02-24 15:01:52] davidjames : just text me if you want to know the price movement
[2016-02-24 15:02:32] tscha : sleger: haha nononono dude, we were talking about the M16.. not the H16.. you were wondering why M16 didnt lose as much value (relatively, considering duration) as H16.. that was the key point
[2016-02-24 15:03:05] sleger : yesterday or long time ago ?
[2016-02-24 15:03:16] sleger : i also found the old conversation
[2016-02-24 15:03:18] tscha : when we talked about the drop in january
[2016-02-24 15:04:42] tscha : my terming of "lagging" was obviously missleading, but you on the other hand stated that the sole reason M16 didnt lose so much value is because they are only traded here and highly illiquid
[2016-02-24 15:04:58] sleger : no we were having a discussion about "fair price" and fair basis adjustment
[2016-02-24 15:05:09] tscha : yeah
[2016-02-24 15:05:12] sleger : well lagging is a very clear word, and you never admitted before right now that it was wrong
[2016-02-24 15:05:14] davidjames : based on current comments from major cyptocurrency exechanges ive been talking through back channels 2 days ago their was a 40$ price pump and dump their going to be another one very soon
[2016-02-24 15:05:33] jung1 : Go eth go!
[2016-02-24 15:06:07] davidjames : i would say right now is when everyone should start urging people to buy in very very quickly
[2016-02-24 15:06:07] sleger : tscha: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/chat?count=500&start=96300&reverse=false and do a search for 96449
[2016-02-24 15:07:34] davidjames : price of bitcoin will be 440.00 very soon
[2016-02-24 15:08:46] sleger : "2016-01-14T20:49:09.004Z","user":"sleger","message":"if spot dumps 50 points tomorrow, they will drop 60 points at least, if spot jumps 50 they will jump over 60 points"
[2016-02-24 15:08:58] davidjames : major pump and dump coming get in before the pump
[2016-02-24 15:09:28] sleger : "2016-01-14T20:50:40.377Z","user":"tscha","message":"It's not only because of illiquidity, it's also because of expected retracements. If spot falls $40 in a very short amount of time (~30min), june contracts usually don't fall by the same amount" and by that you meant a lower amount
[2016-02-24 15:11:09] sleger : davidjames: if you're wrong we will find you now that we have your phone number ;)
[2016-02-24 15:11:51] laisee : davidjames: do you work for the CFTC?
[2016-02-24 15:12:34] davidjames : im not wrong i predicted the increase 2 days ago if you want to be apart of my group send me a text that number is used as a burner phone im in new york
[2016-02-24 15:12:41] davidjames : no comment about the cftc
[2016-02-24 15:12:54] laisee : if you do, you have to admit who is your employer immediatly. saw it on TV.
[2016-02-24 15:13:07] davidjames : i dont