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[2016-02-21 12:10:42] Tulip_stefan : ...that was fast.
[2016-02-21 12:15:13] BTCDJS : short city
[2016-02-21 12:17:18] rapidtrades : ridiculous
[2016-02-21 12:17:47] BTCDJS : 420s
[2016-02-21 12:18:06] rapidtrades : $420 my ass
[2016-02-21 12:19:22] chromaticcr : Can't decide green dildo or red dildo? Why not double it down to your REKTum
[2016-02-21 12:19:42] BTCDJS : 0kcoin has a lot of large short orders
[2016-02-21 12:20:13] rapidtrades : ok what
[2016-02-21 12:20:19] rapidtrades : futures or
[2016-02-21 12:20:32] BTCDJS : weekly futures
[2016-02-21 12:20:54] rapidtrades : if ppl wanted to sell, they would've done so already
[2016-02-21 12:21:08] rapidtrades : there is no rebate on futures
[2016-02-21 12:21:58] BTCDJS : 430 then and after that moon?
[2016-02-21 12:22:22] BTCDJS : there is bound to be a correction at some point
[2016-02-21 12:22:42] rapidtrades : yeah i mean, like i said this morning 450 is strong resistance
[2016-02-21 12:23:00] rapidtrades : so not surprised by this but the timing right after settlement is fishy
[2016-02-21 12:23:38] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 442.77
[2016-02-21 12:23:42] BTCDJS : bear trap?
[2016-02-21 12:24:06] rapidtrades : i have no idea what#s going on tbh :)
[2016-02-21 12:24:08] chromaticcr : i guess it is just them drawing the sub 12h candle for noobs
[2016-02-21 12:24:23] BTCDJS : yeah no-one does.
[2016-02-21 12:24:33] BTCDJS : but lets share what we think
[2016-02-21 12:24:49] BTCDJS : wisdom of the crowd and all that
[2016-02-21 12:26:12] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: like the fact that its after settlement fishy is useful information for me to learn
[2016-02-21 12:26:36] rapidtrades : yeah cos if ur so bearish why wait for 13?
[2016-02-21 12:27:04] rapidtrades : why not sell yday at $450
[2016-02-21 12:27:15] BTCDJS : 13?
[2016-02-21 12:27:30] rapidtrades : that's settlement time in europe 13:00
[2016-02-21 12:27:37] BTCDJS : ah
[2016-02-21 12:28:43] BTCDJS : its 2030 in HK though
[2016-02-21 12:30:37] BTCDJS : settlement time is what time in HK?
[2016-02-21 12:31:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 100 @ 441.29
[2016-02-21 12:32:21] BTCDJS : anybody?
[2016-02-21 12:32:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 50 @ 441.53
[2016-02-21 12:32:40] BTCDJS : where can i get a list of settlement times?
[2016-02-21 12:33:38] sleger : BTCDJS: there : [12pm gmt]
[2016-02-21 12:33:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1977 @ 436.33
[2016-02-21 12:34:04] BTCDJS : sleger: thanks mate
[2016-02-21 12:36:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 672 @ 436.62
[2016-02-21 12:36:17] uiop : PANIC IN THE PRESSROOM
[2016-02-21 12:36:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5097 @ 434.06
[2016-02-21 12:36:38] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-02-21 12:37:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2000 @ 431.12
[2016-02-21 12:39:06] chromaticcr : lol
[2016-02-21 12:39:38] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1800 @ 431.69
[2016-02-21 12:39:40] rapidtrades : what a stupid selloff
[2016-02-21 12:39:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 400 @ 432.60
[2016-02-21 12:40:22] tscha : j8: I got a vps in the same data center as okc (Guangzhou) and still had disconnects
[2016-02-21 12:40:46] tscha : its the websocket in general, you need to use fix
[2016-02-21 12:40:49] j8 : tscha: oh, thats really bad, but not that surprising
[2016-02-21 12:40:50] Tulip_stefan : $10 gap between okcoin.cn and huobi. What?
[2016-02-21 12:41:08] tscha : j8: fix is stable according to micmix
[2016-02-21 12:41:24] Tulip_stefan : i use websocket from europe and the disconnects are annoying, but i've learned to code around them.
[2016-02-21 12:41:31] habibi : Tulip_stefan: 20cny is not 10$
[2016-02-21 12:41:46] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: have you seen the 4h chart?
[2016-02-21 12:42:02] BTCDJS : it kinda makes sense
[2016-02-21 12:42:50] rapidtrades : i know it makes sense...ive been saying $450 will be tough since yday...still stinks that they waited for our settlement to dump
[2016-02-21 12:42:51] elmorte : BTCDJS: Which one?
[2016-02-21 12:43:29] habibi : u'r joking right?
[2016-02-21 12:43:44] BTCDJS : habibi: ?
[2016-02-21 12:43:45] rapidtrades : habibi: talking to me b1tch?
[2016-02-21 12:44:26] BTCDJS : elmorte: any
[2016-02-21 12:44:29] habibi : so u think china waited for 24h settlement on bitmex to dump?
[2016-02-21 12:44:35] rapidtrades : clearly
[2016-02-21 12:44:39] habibi : for 100k contracts long/short settlement?
[2016-02-21 12:45:07] rapidtrades : yeah that's why it doesn't make sense
[2016-02-21 12:45:27] habibi : poor rapidtrades i though u mre inteligent :p
[2016-02-21 12:45:49] Tulip_stefan : perhaps they're doing it because it doesn't make sense.
[2016-02-21 12:45:56] rapidtrades : well then u try, why did they wait until 13:00 to sell
[2016-02-21 12:46:06] rapidtrades : we've been at $450 since last night
[2016-02-21 12:46:39] elmorte : BTCDJS: ok....what's the significance of a 4h chart? You keep bringing out up
[2016-02-21 12:46:47] elmorte : It*
[2016-02-21 12:47:07] habibi : i dont know but i won't rationalize with such anserws :) and not everything has to be rationalized in that way. maybe out of pump fuel and so\
[2016-02-21 12:47:43] rapidtrades : idk this dump is still suspect to me
[2016-02-21 12:48:21] rapidtrades : feels like attempt to push out the weak hands
[2016-02-21 12:48:32] BTCDJS : elmorte: its a step.
[2016-02-21 12:50:01] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: and what would happen when weak hands are pushed out?
[2016-02-21 12:50:19] elmorte : Still Spanish to me...What you mean?
[2016-02-21 12:51:01] justinlooking : rapid you think we're at bottom of correction yet?
[2016-02-21 12:52:11] BTCDJS : elmorte: hang on let me try to share my chart
[2016-02-21 12:52:41] elmorte : Thanks
[2016-02-21 12:56:04] BTCDJS : elmorte:https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/LIun8XcZ-long/
[2016-02-21 12:57:49] odieoh : How do I isolate margin now?
[2016-02-21 12:59:00] BTCDJS : you still get the option to isolate or cross on the confirmation when you place an order
[2016-02-21 12:59:24] odieoh : right, but what about after the fact?
[2016-02-21 12:59:33] odieoh : I used to be able to just click next to the position
[2016-02-21 12:59:39] BTCDJS : or you can choose 100x on the left in position tab
[2016-02-21 12:59:59] chromaticcr : BTCDJS: I see what you did here
[2016-02-21 13:00:17] habibi : 100x and market order, i heard that the pack of money makers here
[2016-02-21 13:00:19] BTCDJS : chromaticcr: ?
[2016-02-21 13:00:44] elmorte : chromaticcr: damn, that makes one of us @BTCDJS
[2016-02-21 13:01:05] elmorte : I'll get on a desktop, mobile's all messed up
[2016-02-21 13:01:24] chromaticcr : Sam should introduce 200x button so whoever click that can get liq'd immediately
[2016-02-21 13:01:45] chromaticcr : *Introducing a new method to close your position*
[2016-02-21 13:04:36] BTCDJS : Jung1 is missing out on his cheap bitcoins
[2016-02-21 13:10:52] mwalshe99 : anyone else getting an internal error when trying to submit an order?
[2016-02-21 13:11:25] BTCDJS : this has got to be the lowest of the low today. It has to be. I bought it and I'm going out for sunday dinner lol
[2016-02-21 13:13:55] BTCDJS : I'm getting evil eyes. peace out
[2016-02-21 13:20:57] BTCDJS : sleger: if you can use your wealth to keep us above 428 that would be great
[2016-02-21 13:21:41] sleger : I'd rather have everyone get margined first and rebuy even lower
[2016-02-21 13:22:01] BTCDJS : sleger: i don't blame you
[2016-02-21 13:23:55] sleger : I had started rebuying some over the past hour anyways
[2016-02-21 13:24:34] jung1 : BTCDJS: no im not
[2016-02-21 13:24:40] BTCDJS : you're not trying to infer that you are actually that wealthy are you? because i won't believe you
[2016-02-21 13:24:47] jung1 : I just sold it too soon
[2016-02-21 13:24:51] BTCDJS : jung1: yay!
[2016-02-21 13:25:48] BTCDJS : jung1: come on then get them while their cheap
[2016-02-21 13:26:24] jung1 : I buy all the time with 15-20% of my salary
[2016-02-21 13:26:33] jung1 : No mather what price is
[2016-02-21 13:27:36] BTCDJS : a true believer
[2016-02-21 13:28:54] Tulip_stefan : i'm a true believer as well but buying more bitcoin is far to risky. If bitcoin goes to $10k i can already retire, it bitcoin goes to $0 i still have my other investments. Not worth buying more.
[2016-02-21 13:29:48] BTCDJS : thats why I'm learning to trade. so i don't have to buy them anymore
[2016-02-21 13:30:25] Tulip_stefan : you probably won't beat buy & hold over the long term.
[2016-02-21 13:30:52] Tulip_stefan : statically speaking, most traders don't.
[2016-02-21 13:31:03] Tulip_stefan : statisticly*
[2016-02-21 13:31:38] sleger : *statistically
[2016-02-21 13:31:40] elmorte : BTCDJS: Ok, that makes a lot more sense on a desktop. Have a good dinner
[2016-02-21 13:31:45] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: i hold all bitcoins i get
[2016-02-21 13:32:06] Tulip_stefan : ?
[2016-02-21 13:32:43] elmorte : 5% of networth in BTC is reasonable I think
[2016-02-21 13:32:56] elmorte : Then again, I'm not reasonable
[2016-02-21 13:33:38] Tulip_stefan : i used to have more than half my net worth in BTC.
[2016-02-21 13:34:02] BTCDJS : but you had to dip into it?
[2016-02-21 13:34:44] Tulip_stefan : i never really brought bitcoin. I started with 0.1 LTC i had CPU mined and got the rest with trading bots.
[2016-02-21 13:35:00] Tulip_stefan : about one year later i used a months wage to but a few more, but that's it.
[2016-02-21 13:35:30] sleger : % of net worth really isnt the right measure, most people who make 20-40k (euros/gbp/usd) will have almost 0 net worth and let's say they have 3k then having 50% of it in btc isnt even unreasonable
[2016-02-21 13:38:31] Tulip_stefan : 3k sounds like an awfully low amount of financial buffer.
[2016-02-21 13:39:09] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: i have much much less than that
[2016-02-21 13:39:22] sleger : You can probably check online but I saw an article where 50% of americans have less than that in reserve
[2016-02-21 13:39:33] BTCDJS : and I'm doing quite alright
[2016-02-21 13:39:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2646 @ 434.11
[2016-02-21 13:39:38] REKT : Getting chopped to death is fun, everyone should try it!
[2016-02-21 13:40:34] sleger : Tulip_stefan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States#/media/File:MedianNetWorth2007.png
[2016-02-21 13:40:44] Tulip_stefan : i only left school 2 years ago and i have significantly more than that. I wouldn't be comfortable with 2 months of buffer when i get fired for some reason.
[2016-02-21 13:41:49] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: everything will alway work out
[2016-02-21 13:41:54] BTCDJS : always
[2016-02-21 13:42:13] sleger : yes nobody ends up on the streets right ?
[2016-02-21 13:43:45] BTCDJS : i can't speak for people who live on the street or presume what kind of thinkers they are. but I will always be fine.
[2016-02-21 13:44:01] BTCDJS : i come from a very poor family
[2016-02-21 13:44:10] BTCDJS : i know how to have no money
[2016-02-21 13:44:27] Tulip_stefan : You won't end up on the street easily in my country.
[2016-02-21 13:44:29] sleger : just pointiing out it doesnt always work out. but yes some people dont really put the chance on their side
[2016-02-21 13:44:41] sleger : Tulip_stefan: you didnt reply my latest email ?
[2016-02-21 13:45:05] Tulip_stefan : not yet, i'm still debating with my business partner what to do.
[2016-02-21 13:45:16] sleger : sounds good
[2016-02-21 13:45:20] BTCDJS : sleger: fair enough. but i think people are where they want to be
[2016-02-21 13:45:44] BTCDJS : even if they moan about it
[2016-02-21 13:45:45] sleger : BTCDJS: I think the part of luck in one's success is bigger than I/most people imagined
[2016-02-21 13:46:56] BTCDJS : some people a re lucky. and others make they're own luck
[2016-02-21 13:47:00] BTCDJS : very
[2016-02-21 13:52:28] BTCDJS : sleger: i re read what you said. And i see where you are coming from actually.
[2016-02-21 13:52:53] BTCDJS : ok im out
[2016-02-21 14:05:19] elmorte : sleger: If you're making 2-3k/month and have total savings of 3k, having half that in BTC is not reasonable, it's highly speculative
[2016-02-21 14:06:08] sleger : elmorte: what if total savings is 300 and half is bitcoin is that any different ?
[2016-02-21 14:07:58] sleger : what if its 30$ and half is bitcoin, do you still find it unreasonable ?
[2016-02-21 14:08:23] elmorte : I get it, scale
[2016-02-21 14:08:36] elmorte : I'm thinking about it
[2016-02-21 14:10:18] elmorte : I didn't even think about bitcoin until a certain threshold was passed. There are safer ways of multiplying a $30 to me
[2016-02-21 14:11:44] elmorte : And the concept of NW is subjective, and 5% is arbitrary but it's my risk guideline
[2016-02-21 14:14:05] Tulip_stefan : that is uh.. very low risk.
[2016-02-21 14:16:27] Tulip_stefan : i don't think it makes much sense to have more than 1x your yearly wage on bank. The expected profits in bitcoin/stocks are much higher than on the bank.
[2016-02-21 14:16:56] Tulip_stefan : that's still arbitrary but less arbitrary than '5%'.
[2016-02-21 14:19:35] elmorte : There are other alternatives to BTC than a savings account
[2016-02-21 14:20:07] Tulip_stefan : that is why i said bitcoin/stocks.
[2016-02-21 14:21:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 600 @ 432.95
[2016-02-21 14:26:25] mrp1nk : stocks? not now
[2016-02-21 14:27:01] elmorte : Yeah, but in general stocks are decent instrument
[2016-02-21 14:32:06] elmorte : For my piece of mind, 5% in BTC is not overly diversified
[2016-02-21 14:32:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1238 @ 432.04
[2016-02-21 14:32:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 95 @ 433.00
[2016-02-21 14:32:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 310 @ 431.57
[2016-02-21 14:32:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 296 @ 431.58
[2016-02-21 14:32:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 430.84
[2016-02-21 14:36:46] tscha : price actually reached >450 today? wow
[2016-02-21 14:38:18] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 428.58
[2016-02-21 14:40:45] BTCDJS : Ahh ffs. 420?
[2016-02-21 14:41:04] rapidtrades : well u called it earlier
[2016-02-21 14:42:00] BTCDJS : I hope I was wrong
[2016-02-21 14:42:38] mrp1nk : BTCDJS: you asked me yesterday why i thought there will be resistance at 450. http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/1015441/832e82b12a42c6ad72efa93a284aefa9
[2016-02-21 14:42:55] viptrader : best time to short
[2016-02-21 14:43:29] BTCDJS : viptrader: erm no
[2016-02-21 14:43:38] Tulip_stefan : arbitrary line is arbitrary.
[2016-02-21 14:43:55] elmorte : Best time was 2:45 ago
[2016-02-21 14:44:37] mrp1nk : its abitrary unless ppl use it to short
[2016-02-21 14:45:00] mrp1nk : or to sell
[2016-02-21 14:45:01] rapidtrades : i did short at 449.70...but i mistakenly put 500 cont to close it...so I now hold 1.3 BTC extra at 448 lol
[2016-02-21 14:45:02] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: that resistance was pointed out to me this morning but I thought it wasn't a problem. Guess I'm an optimist lol
[2016-02-21 14:45:32] jung1 : Tulip_stefan: bitcoin was best perform currency in last year. I think that will be long term trend
[2016-02-21 14:45:34] rapidtrades : it's a small addon to my long but frustrating when u make a mistake
[2016-02-21 14:45:48] rapidtrades : trading is already hard as it is :)
[2016-02-21 14:46:13] jung1 : You can always lend on polo
[2016-02-21 14:46:33] jung1 : I basicly dobled my doge in 3 weeks basicly with no risk
[2016-02-21 14:46:41] jung1 : Doubled
[2016-02-21 14:46:46] elmorte : BTC lending rates are laughable though, no? @jung1
[2016-02-21 14:46:55] rapidtrades : prolly the new interface had smth to do with it, this hasn't happened to me since the first week I started here
[2016-02-21 14:47:07] rapidtrades : confusing as f*ck
[2016-02-21 14:47:16] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: lol
[2016-02-21 14:47:33] BTCDJS : Will you pack it in already
[2016-02-21 14:47:49] elmorte : rapidtrades: Daaamn. I didn't wanna blame the interface on my short just missing the market at 439 so suck it up :p
[2016-02-21 14:48:07] jung1 : elmorte: Last monh I had average doge rate around 4,3% so not so bad
[2016-02-21 14:48:32] elmorte : jung1: lending BTC though?
[2016-02-21 14:48:44] rapidtrades : jung1: per day?
[2016-02-21 14:49:04] rapidtrades : or month
[2016-02-21 14:49:22] elmorte : p.a. more likely. BTC p.a. rate is around 0.5% on polo
[2016-02-21 14:49:24] elmorte : Last I checked
[2016-02-21 14:49:31] rapidtrades : seems rly low then
[2016-02-21 14:49:37] jung1 : 2days
[2016-02-21 14:49:52] jung1 : Yeah you can lrd btc, altcoins as wrll
[2016-02-21 14:49:58] rapidtrades : oh so 2% per day? @jung1
[2016-02-21 14:50:28] jung1 : But for example on xrp there is o.oo7%
[2016-02-21 14:50:35] jung1 : Per two days
[2016-02-21 14:50:57] rapidtrades : why so high? has doge been moving or what
[2016-02-21 14:51:56] rapidtrades : also where the f is the calculator now
[2016-02-21 14:52:18] jung1 : Depends of number of lenders
[2016-02-21 14:52:39] jung1 : Order controls
[2016-02-21 14:52:49] jung1 : Right upper corner
[2016-02-21 14:53:41] rapidtrades : jung1: tnx
[2016-02-21 14:54:07] rapidtrades : guess I can put that in center..
[2016-02-21 14:56:50] jung1 : There could here bitmex futures and we will trade predictions of bitmex trade volume
[2016-02-21 14:57:00] jung1 : #enron
[2016-02-21 15:01:48] rapidtrades : is polo not on tradingview?
[2016-02-21 15:02:15] jung1 : Dunno
[2016-02-21 15:02:41] jung1 : But actually work better on tabtrader
[2016-02-21 15:02:51] jung1 : Its laggy as fuck
[2016-02-21 15:03:15] jung1 : And like 95% of eth volume are on pole
[2016-02-21 15:03:22] jung1 : Rest on kraken
[2016-02-21 15:04:05] rapidtrades : what's the code for bitmex eth contract on TW?
[2016-02-21 15:04:39] habibi : not really jung1 http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#markets
[2016-02-21 15:05:04] jung1 : Oh
[2016-02-21 15:05:13] jung1 : So was during last pump
[2016-02-21 15:05:36] jung1 : Still pretty impresive
[2016-02-21 15:25:21] elmorte : There was DPE this session?
[2016-02-21 15:29:20] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: No. You can see the history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-02-21 15:30:18] elmorte : BitMEX_Wally: Ok...what else would cause a market maker to pay commission?
[2016-02-21 15:30:49] BitMEX_Wally : If a market maker aggresses into the order book
[2016-02-21 15:30:56] elmorte : I mean current sesh, like now
[2016-02-21 15:31:18] elmorte : How did I do that? :)
[2016-02-21 15:31:38] BitMEX_Wally : A market maker can send `execInst: "ParticipateDoNotInitiate"` to avoid paying taker fees
[2016-02-21 15:31:51] BitMEX_Wally : It will cancel the order if it will execute aggressively
[2016-02-21 15:31:59] sleger : good to know, wasnt aware
[2016-02-21 15:32:22] elmorte : But I didn't cross the spread...
[2016-02-21 15:32:42] Tulip_stefan : you don't have to cross the spread to get a taker order.
[2016-02-21 15:33:12] elmorte : In what scenario? That's all I'm trying to find out...
[2016-02-21 15:33:47] BitMEX_Wally : elmorte: Hidden orders always pay the taker fee
[2016-02-21 15:33:56] elmorte : Ohhh
[2016-02-21 15:34:05] elmorte : Noted, thanks Wally
[2016-02-21 15:34:08] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-02-21 15:34:15] Tulip_stefan : market makers are predictable, some of them look at the orderbook when deciding at what level to place orders. A well-placed order can cause a market maker to move their order. When the happens the agent quickly places an order at the market-maker expected price.
[2016-02-21 15:34:34] Tulip_stefan : thereby forcing the market maker to incur the taker fee.
[2016-02-21 15:35:08] BitMEX_Wally : Tulip_stefan: Which is why we support `ParticipateDoNotInitiate` :)
[2016-02-21 15:35:23] elmorte : Tulip_stefan: Thanks, got that. But my order executed some time after placement and in chunks
[2016-02-21 15:35:48] elmorte : Wally, so post only + hidden will do what then with regards to rebate?
[2016-02-21 15:36:02] sleger : you pay fee
[2016-02-21 15:36:08] sleger : always if its hidden, and thats normal
[2016-02-21 15:36:21] elmorte : Ok, so post + hidden == hidden
[2016-02-21 15:36:27] sleger : hidden=pay fee
[2016-02-21 15:36:45] elmorte : post = don't pay fee
[2016-02-21 15:38:09] tscha : Either you pay the fee or it won't execute at all, not sure... but not paying fee doesn't make any sense
[2016-02-21 15:38:24] elmorte : Tulip_stefan: filled is probably the right word , not executed
[2016-02-21 15:41:59] elmorte : tscha: yeah, it doesn't sound fair towards the eventual taker that they get charged
[2016-02-21 15:42:46] tscha : if he posts a hidden order, of course it is fair
[2016-02-21 15:42:50] BitMEX_Wally : Just to confirm. if you send post-only and hidden you will pay the taker fee
[2016-02-21 15:43:16] BitMEX_Wally : But only if someone executes against you
[2016-02-21 15:43:38] BitMEX_Wally : i.e. if you submit a hidden post-only order that would immediately execute it will be canceled
[2016-02-21 15:43:53] BitMEX_Wally : Once the hidden order is resting in the book, you will pay the taker fee once it executes
[2016-02-21 15:45:40] BitMEX_Wally : The person who executes against a hidden order will be paid the maker fee
[2016-02-21 15:46:48] elmorte : Ok. So if a hidden short hits an existing hidden long: 1) if short is post, order is cancelled. 2) Otherwise short gets maker fee?
[2016-02-21 15:48:07] BitMEX_Wally : Correct
[2016-02-21 15:48:21] tscha : By the way, what about taker fees with iceberg orders? Do iceberg orders still pay taker for the whole amount or only for the hidden part?
[2016-02-21 15:48:25] elmorte : Cheers :)
[2016-02-21 15:49:02] BitMEX_Wally : tscha: Once the hidden quantity has been executed and there is only visible quantity left it behaves like a normal order. it gets the maker rebate
[2016-02-21 15:49:28] tscha : wow, very sweet, you actually changed that right? very cool
[2016-02-21 15:49:59] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, because you or someone said that otherwise there was a perverse incentive to cancel and resubmit
[2016-02-21 15:50:05] tscha : yes
[2016-02-21 15:53:24] Tulip_stefan : BitMEX_Wally: when querying instruments or indices, i get a RemoteHostClosesError about 1 every 15 requests. Is that a known issue?
[2016-02-21 15:54:00] BitMEX_Wally : Tulip_stefan: Could you email logs to support@bitmex.com
[2016-02-21 15:54:30] Tulip_stefan : logs ehh. What kind of logs are you looking for? Should i run wireshark in the background?
[2016-02-21 15:55:04] tscha : rofl
[2016-02-21 15:55:46] BitMEX_Wally : How are you calling the API?
[2016-02-21 15:55:56] BitMEX_Wally : Which endpoint?
[2016-02-21 15:56:07] tscha : aircrack-ng
[2016-02-21 15:56:51] BitMEX_Wally : RemoteHostClosesError... do you mean RemoteHostClosedError?
[2016-02-21 15:56:51] Tulip_stefan : https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/instrument?filter=%7B%22state%22%3A%22Open%22%7D&count=100&start=0&reverse=false
[2016-02-21 15:57:01] Tulip_stefan : closeD yeah.
[2016-02-21 15:57:29] BitMEX_Wally : I'll try calling that endpoint repeatedly see if anything happens
[2016-02-21 15:57:48] BitMEX_Wally : If you can email logs with timestamps I can investigate on our end
[2016-02-21 15:58:06] BitMEX_Wally : IP address you are calling from would be useful too
[2016-02-21 15:58:14] Tulip_stefan : i think that's the url that fails. I have 2 of those but i'm not positive which it is exactly. I'll add some extra logging in my application to find out.
[2016-02-21 15:58:20] BitMEX_Wally : Thanks
[2016-02-21 15:58:29] Tulip_stefan : yeah, i'll mail you in a few minutes.
[2016-02-21 16:00:13] BitMEX_Wally : I added support for `execInst: "AllOrNone"` to testnet today. Only allowed for hidden orders of course
[2016-02-21 16:00:33] rapidtrades : going up boys!
[2016-02-21 16:00:44] rapidtrades : calling the bottom
[2016-02-21 16:00:54] rapidtrades : *maybe, not a trade recommendation
[2016-02-21 16:06:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 954 @ 434.79
[2016-02-21 16:07:44] Tulip_stefan : BitMEX_Wally: i found a clue. For some reason i can lo longer reproduce it when i spam the api every 1.5 seconds. My timeout is normally set to 30 seconds, which is the same as the http keepalive. Maybe that's the problem.
[2016-02-21 16:08:40] BitMEX_Wally : You could just subscribe to `instrument` over the websocket. Then you do not need to poll the API
[2016-02-21 16:08:49] BitMEX_Wally : Don't call us, we'll call you
[2016-02-21 16:09:16] Tulip_stefan : mhh yeah that's a good point.
[2016-02-21 16:11:02] BitMEX_Wally : :)
[2016-02-21 16:15:10] BTCDJS : 440
[2016-02-21 16:16:29] BTCDJS : Or chop suey
[2016-02-21 16:18:49] BTCDJS : I need to get back in front of the computer. I think I'm addicted lol
[2016-02-21 16:24:49] jung1 : Yeah bitcoin is addict
[2016-02-21 16:24:52] elmorte : It does get under your skin
[2016-02-21 16:25:47] jung1 : mETH
[2016-02-21 16:25:51] jung1 : Also
[2016-02-21 16:28:11] elmorte : I better shut the comp off before I waste another Monday. Gnite all :)
[2016-02-21 16:28:25] jung1 : See ya
[2016-02-21 16:28:40] jung1 : Btw uninstall btc apps from your phone then
[2016-02-21 16:28:52] jung1 : BTCfx is awesome app
[2016-02-21 16:28:59] jung1 : Really like it
[2016-02-21 16:32:29] BTCDJS : ok I'm back on
[2016-02-21 16:32:35] BTCDJS : here we go
[2016-02-21 16:39:24] BTCDJS : jung1: everyone here is addicted lol i know because everyone is always here when i am
[2016-02-21 16:44:12] mrp1nk : ;-)
[2016-02-21 16:46:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 300 @ 437.34
[2016-02-21 16:46:29] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1 @ 438.18 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-21 16:52:17] BTCDJS : i love it when a plan comes together
[2016-02-21 16:53:15] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: why are there hidden orders?
[2016-02-21 16:54:27] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: For people who do not want to show their full hand
[2016-02-21 16:54:57] BTCDJS : is the white text in the recent trades hidden orders? how can i set hidden orders?
[2016-02-21 16:56:04] BitMEX_Wally : White text is just a trade at the same price as the previous one
[2016-02-21 16:56:33] BitMEX_Wally : You can submit a hidden order by expanding the `Advanced Order Options`
[2016-02-21 16:56:54] BitMEX_Wally : Then you can tick `Hidden Order`
[2016-02-21 16:57:07] BTCDJS : what is a post only order?
[2016-02-21 16:57:30] BitMEX_Wally : Hover the mouse over and it will explain what all these mean
[2016-02-21 16:58:00] BTCDJS : thanks mate
[2016-02-21 17:33:54] MoneyTree01 : Is anyone experience chrome or firefox trade panel problem?
[2016-02-21 17:34:21] MoneyTree01 : I have been logging in n out from both web browser trying to make a trade
[2016-02-21 17:34:29] MoneyTree01 : thanks
[2016-02-21 17:34:44] BitMEX_Sam : MoneyTree01: I've seen a lot of errors being thrown from your client
[2016-02-21 17:34:47] BitMEX_Sam : Investigating it now
[2016-02-21 17:34:58] jung1 : Try vivaldi browser
[2016-02-21 17:35:15] BitMEX_Sam : Will work fine in Chrome/FF
[2016-02-21 17:36:26] MoneyTree01 : chrome work now, made a trade, thanks
[2016-02-21 17:36:39] MoneyTree01 : what was the problem?
[2016-02-21 17:37:05] BitMEX_Sam : Investigating, haven't gotten to the root of yet, but I suspect you may have an extension that is interfering with the site
[2016-02-21 17:37:09] BitMEX_Sam : Your client was the only one throwing those errors
[2016-02-21 17:38:03] MoneyTree01 : sorry, firefox working, will log out, and into chrome to make another trade in chrome
[2016-02-21 17:41:25] MoneyTree01 : thank you, both browser working fine, good day
[2016-02-21 17:42:58] MoneyTree01 : jung1: thanks, how save is it compare to firefox or chrome?
[2016-02-21 17:46:22] jung1 : Its ex ceo of ff
[2016-02-21 17:46:32] jung1 : All apps from chrome work on it
[2016-02-21 17:46:37] BTCDJS : dem 1h candles
[2016-02-21 17:46:41] jung1 : And its really fast
[2016-02-21 17:47:18] jung1 : BitMEX_Sam: Damn i just deposit coins from my mobile within 30s
[2016-02-21 17:47:29] jung1 : Directly from mycelium wallet
[2016-02-21 17:47:33] jung1 : Love it
[2016-02-21 17:48:02] rapidtrades : jung1: what
[2016-02-21 17:48:39] jung1 : What what
[2016-02-21 17:48:43] rapidtrades : is that possible or he be tripping?
[2016-02-21 17:49:17] habibi : possible, mycelium has auto adjustable fee, he sent, block was withing next minute and yep, its done
[2016-02-21 17:49:38] rapidtrades : so he just got lucky
[2016-02-21 17:49:43] habibi : yeah
[2016-02-21 17:50:04] habibi : he could wait 2 hours as well :p
[2016-02-21 17:50:21] BTCDJS : sometimes transactions are instant on bread wallet. sometimes it takes forever
[2016-02-21 17:50:42] rapidtrades : I;ve waited 1.5 hrs to deposit here, got marginned in the meantime
[2016-02-21 17:50:51] rapidtrades : back when i first got here
[2016-02-21 17:51:11] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: when the UI was good?
[2016-02-21 17:51:12] habibi : all about blockchain and fee, if fee is high enough it will get into within first block if nodes will catch up this tx as well
[2016-02-21 17:51:26] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah looks like you just got a lucky confirmation
[2016-02-21 17:51:59] rapidtrades : exactly @BTCDJS
[2016-02-21 17:52:09] rapidtrades : last night i had a dream
[2016-02-21 17:52:17] rapidtrades : I was trading on the old UI...
[2016-02-21 17:52:41] BitMEX_Sam : re: deposits taking a long time you definitely want to attach a 0.0005 fee to be sure
[2016-02-21 17:52:44] habibi : yea i will tell my kids about great btc derivatives site that was somewhere there back in time :)
[2016-02-21 17:52:44] rapidtrades : then I woke up and proceeded to enter the wrong amount of contracts
[2016-02-21 17:52:49] BitMEX_Sam : Anything less than that I've seen get delayed
[2016-02-21 17:53:13] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: that;s a 22 cent fee
[2016-02-21 17:53:37] rapidtrades : 22 WHOLE CENTS
[2016-02-21 17:53:43] BitMEX_Sam : Yes, it is
[2016-02-21 17:53:51] BitMEX_Sam : That's why there's so much scaling drama
[2016-02-21 17:53:58] BTCDJS : yeah and it will be a hell of a lot more if bitcoin goes moon
[2016-02-21 17:54:10] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: no?
[2016-02-21 17:54:17] BTCDJS : no?
[2016-02-21 17:54:38] BTCDJS : pay 22 cents now. and they can buy a car with it later
[2016-02-21 17:55:03] rapidtrades : I mean I guess miners adjust their fees to the USD value? like if we go to 10,000, they're not gonna charge $4 per tranfser?
[2016-02-21 17:55:38] rapidtrades : price goes up, more miners jump in, lower fees
[2016-02-21 17:55:59] j8 : not how it works
[2016-02-21 17:56:01] habibi : its not about miners
[2016-02-21 17:56:07] BTCDJS : thats why halving is important? price has to go up
[2016-02-21 17:56:08] habibi : but about tx limit in block
[2016-02-21 17:56:52] BTCDJS : habibi: please explain more. because i don't get it
[2016-02-21 17:57:49] habibi : back in 90's u have 1 gb hard drive, u wanna copy more mp3 from ur friend's drive but u dont have free space
[2016-02-21 17:58:14] rapidtrades : NOONE CARES
[2016-02-21 17:58:15] habibi : booom, u buying next drive and copy mp3 to next drive
[2016-02-21 17:58:21] rapidtrades : plz don't explain
[2016-02-21 17:58:33] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: i want to know
[2016-02-21 17:58:34] habibi : but artists make's new mp3 faster than u buying new disks
[2016-02-21 17:58:47] rapidtrades : if I hear the words core or classic one more time, I will blow a lid
[2016-02-21 17:58:57] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: close the box
[2016-02-21 17:59:35] rapidtrades : fine i'll come back in 30 mins..
[2016-02-21 18:00:00] habibi : anywhere its stupid comparision maybe :D u have blockchain, blocks where tx are storred, and 1 mb blocks each so far, 1 mb is able to handle about 4 tx per second for bitcoin network which is extremaly low even for current use coz we are sending more
[2016-02-21 18:00:33] Tulip_stefan : we are, obviously, sending less.
[2016-02-21 18:00:38] habibi : they need other to find some way to store more transactions in same 1 mb, or increase blocksize
[2016-02-21 18:01:35] j8 : we send less on average or there would be a backlog, but it's bursty
[2016-02-21 18:01:46] BTCDJS : ok then why are the miners taking higher fees for faster transaction
[2016-02-21 18:02:07] habibi : they can choose which tx they wanna include in block
[2016-02-21 18:02:15] BTCDJS : ah
[2016-02-21 18:02:17] habibi : if they include ones with higher fees they will get more
[2016-02-21 18:02:23] BTCDJS : i see
[2016-02-21 18:02:23] habibi : btc*
[2016-02-21 18:02:36] BTCDJS : i get it thanks
[2016-02-21 18:02:39] BitMEX_Sam : http://hackingdistributed.com/2015/10/14/bitcoin-ng/ is an interesting solution to the problem
[2016-02-21 18:03:47] habibi : agree, new generation is the best solution imho not even for scalling solution but for whole ideas.
[2016-02-21 18:04:02] habibi : bitcoin needs changes,adjusting, hardforks.
[2016-02-21 18:04:11] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: is bitcoin NG another fork
[2016-02-21 18:05:14] habibi : conservatism is good in same cases but not here as its new technology that can be overtaken if bitcoin stop develop futher
[2016-02-21 18:06:53] BTCDJS : but its all sorted now right?
[2016-02-21 18:07:11] BTCDJS : we can start to put this behind us now
[2016-02-21 18:07:59] habibi : hope so, april is when first scalling sollution should be implemented, then hard fork in june 2017
[2016-02-21 18:08:28] Tulip_stefan : june 2017... wow.
[2016-02-21 18:11:14] BTCDJS : bitcoin is too important for people to fuck up. they wouldn't dare not find a solution
[2016-02-21 18:11:17] sleger : habibi: do you have a link to what happens in april please ?
[2016-02-21 18:12:19] habibi : https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff#.c85788g1l
[2016-02-21 18:15:42] jung1 : Till 2017 we will be milionaires
[2016-02-21 18:16:34] jung1 : And make some trading jam sessions on one of us private island
[2016-02-21 18:16:39] jung1 : True story
[2016-02-21 18:16:40] habibi : only in case hyper inflation happens in us
[2016-02-21 18:16:47] jung1 : Could be
[2016-02-21 18:17:27] jung1 : Or if we sell our coins for venezuelian bolivars
[2016-02-21 18:17:55] jung1 : You can live there like king for 0,5btc per month
[2016-02-21 18:18:05] jung1 : Coke and chicks included
[2016-02-21 18:19:09] habibi : 410 users, wow BitMEX_Wally could u tell what was ath here ?
[2016-02-21 18:20:32] jung1 : Would be more if there will be chinese version of bitmex
[2016-02-21 18:21:39] habibi : http://bitmex.cn :p
[2016-02-21 18:21:53] jung1 : Oh
[2016-02-21 18:32:26] rapidtrades : why do margin funding asks keep disappearing on finex
[2016-02-21 18:34:09] BTCDJS : its a shame fine doesn't have a sam a wally and and arthur to ask these questions
[2016-02-21 18:34:27] rapidtrades : yeah agree :)
[2016-02-21 18:34:56] BTCDJS : i don't trade on finex. so i can't help you
[2016-02-21 18:35:30] BTCDJS : i only like bitmex.
[2016-02-21 18:37:39] BTCDJS : i put a weekly on okcoin today. but i prefer 100x so i don't have to bet a lot to make a good profit. plus if i choose to be bold it can pay off well if i close my position the right way
[2016-02-21 18:37:40] jung1 : Anyone play on battlecoin? Battlcoin.org/#signup
[2016-02-21 18:38:00] jung1 : Multiplayer boomber and you can win brc
[2016-02-21 18:51:31] blazingo_ : Question regarding order types. I want to trailing stop loss type order but no possible yet from the web interface.
[2016-02-21 18:52:05] blazingo_ : I have positions in profit. Can I place stop limit or stop market orders to take profit if the price starts moving lower?
[2016-02-21 18:52:22] blazingo_ : basically I want to lock in some profit but not close unless it dumps
[2016-02-21 18:53:30] BTCDJS : ask these questions to BitMEX_Sam
[2016-02-21 18:57:07] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: Q
[2016-02-21 18:59:00] BTCDJS : he's probably making love to his GF or wife. Leave him be
[2016-02-21 18:59:18] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-21 19:01:18] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: are you bullish?
[2016-02-21 19:01:46] rapidtrades : a bit
[2016-02-21 19:02:13] BTCDJS : i was but i swapped over
[2016-02-21 19:02:32] BTCDJS : small short before long
[2016-02-21 19:02:39] BTCDJS : 428.50
[2016-02-21 19:02:48] tscha : is anybody in here in the lowest fee tier on finex?
[2016-02-21 19:03:01] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-21 19:03:04] rapidtrades : sleger maybe?
[2016-02-21 19:04:22] BTCDJS : that finex sounds like too much trouble
[2016-02-21 19:04:34] Tulip_stefan : i don't have an account there, but fee tiers are bs imo.
[2016-02-21 19:05:01] Tulip_stefan : i like to split up my accounts so i can run multiple with different settings, but fee tiers make that less rewarding.
[2016-02-21 19:05:14] rapidtrades : QQ more bot runner
[2016-02-21 19:05:52] Tulip_stefan : are you always this nice to everybody?
[2016-02-21 19:05:56] rapidtrades : all of us split our accounts across exchanges, so that impacts us equally
[2016-02-21 19:06:32] Tulip_stefan : i have 4 accounts on some exchanges.
[2016-02-21 19:06:44] rapidtrades : ah got u
[2016-02-21 19:07:03] rapidtrades : I thought u meant across exchanges
[2016-02-21 19:08:54] Tulip_stefan : also, it de-levels the playing field for different people. I'm a moderately sized player, but i think it would be unfair if i had access to better fee schedules or better network than the other players, and vice-versa.
[2016-02-21 19:09:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 600 @ 433.71
[2016-02-21 19:09:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 433.82 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-21 19:10:04] Tulip_stefan : that's the case in forex, and as a result it's nigh impossible to get a foothold without paying thousands in collocation fees.
[2016-02-21 19:11:41] Tulip_stefan : Anyone here trades forex?
[2016-02-21 19:11:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 19489 @ 432.83 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-21 19:13:13] Tulip_stefan : woah. Why do people take that much risk?
[2016-02-21 19:13:46] jung1 : Son ask his dad who's trading bitcoin: will you borrow me $10? Dad: 14$ what you need $8 for?
[2016-02-21 19:13:49] habibi : maybe he likes to throw away 1 btc
[2016-02-21 19:14:39] rapidtrades : jung1: hehe pretty clever
[2016-02-21 19:14:44] rapidtrades : didn't get it at first
[2016-02-21 19:15:26] jung1 : Should be "?" After $14 as well
[2016-02-21 19:19:00] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-21 19:24:58] Tulip_stefan : starting my bot with a few hundred lines of untested code now.....
[2016-02-21 19:25:06] habibi : on 24h?
[2016-02-21 19:25:19] habibi : and whats max position ur bot can handle?
[2016-02-21 19:26:22] Tulip_stefan : ehh. I've hard-coded the current portfolio as 0.1 BTC because i want to get this stuff running by tonight and its supposed to not invest more than 3% of it's portfolio.
[2016-02-21 19:26:44] Tulip_stefan : that makes like 60 contracts.
[2016-02-21 19:27:08] Tulip_stefan : i already see a few bugs...
[2016-02-21 19:27:45] habibi : didnt u say that u go all in :D?
[2016-02-21 19:28:12] Tulip_stefan : i always go all in on spot markets.
[2016-02-21 19:28:23] Tulip_stefan : with leverage 3x is risky enough.
[2016-02-21 19:28:52] Tulip_stefan : with more i'll risk liquidation with extreme price rises such as last november.
[2016-02-21 19:29:36] habibi : so guys lets look up for 60 contracts size orders that gets profit everytime after 10 seconds :D
[2016-02-21 19:30:11] Tulip_stefan : I stopped it already. some bot logic i refactored lately is broken.
[2016-02-21 19:36:55] BTCDJS : could it be?
[2016-02-21 19:39:26] Tulip_stefan : even i make mistakes. Recently i discovered that, one of my more profitable exchanges, i accidentally rounded all orders prices to whole integers :P
[2016-02-21 19:40:06] habibi : see? now u should round to tens of dollars to make even more price :p
[2016-02-21 19:40:13] habibi : profit*
[2016-02-21 19:41:17] BTCDJS : even you make mistakes hey?
[2016-02-21 19:41:54] BTCDJS : and here i thought you were perfect ?
[2016-02-21 19:53:38] rapidtrades : who wants to make me a mm bot? quote me prices...i will give u the parameters, not asking for urs :)
[2016-02-21 19:55:23] BTCDJS : 1000 bitcorns
[2016-02-21 19:58:23] BTCDJS : is it time to get funky yet?
[2016-02-21 19:58:29] justinlooking : rapidtrades: why can't u use the bitmex one?
[2016-02-21 19:59:04] BTCDJS : i feel like its time to get funky
[2016-02-21 20:00:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 6754 @ 438.06
[2016-02-21 20:04:01] BTCDJS : here we gooooooooooo
[2016-02-21 20:14:04] rapidtrades : my body is ready
[2016-02-21 20:14:28] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: how high?