This is a mirror of the original BitMEX trollbox archive that used to be online here.
BitMEX disabled their archive after the DDOS attack so I have decided to make my mirror publicly available.

Well now, a few days after I made this mirror available to the public, the original archive from BitMEX is online again.
But since it is still limited (neutered to the last few hundred messages) I will keep my FULL mirror alive.

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[2016-02-20 06:29:45] cengel : but it's not possible, ive played with removing different elements, screws everything up
[2016-02-20 06:30:54] JDUB99 : lets say I enter a long at 10, and expect it to hit 30, but once it hits 20, i want to short with a target of 15 to realize that drawback, if I enter again at 15 to maintain my position size, then my entry will 12.5 rather than 10
[2016-02-20 06:31:43] rapidtrades : yeah it's a hassle to manage
[2016-02-20 06:32:15] cengel : JDUB99, simple, you can replicate the change in net exposure just by longing/shorting at those different points
[2016-02-20 06:32:19] cengel : the maths work out the same
[2016-02-20 06:32:37] rapidtrades : cengel: do u even trade?
[2016-02-20 06:32:42] JDUB99 : you mean short on a different contract?
[2016-02-20 06:32:56] JDUB99 : to keep my full position at 10, and play the drawback on a different contract right?
[2016-02-20 06:33:14] rapidtrades : he has to note down every trade....cos the platform will not correctly display it
[2016-02-20 06:33:48] JDUB99 : or do you mean to wait until it goes back to 10, to add to my position?
[2016-02-20 06:33:52] cengel : if you are unable to view the trades in the way the net exposure is changing, then you need subaccounts i guess. but that's more your problem than anything
[2016-02-20 06:33:59] cengel : the maths is the same you just have to think of it differently
[2016-02-20 06:35:11] JDUB99 : I agree the math is the same, it's just I want protect my "in the money" buffer between 10 and 15
[2016-02-20 06:35:16] cengel : think of it more in an engineering sense, not accounting. your delta pnl is a result of your net exposure, and that net exposure can be replicated through different buys and sells held at different points at the same time, or just by buying and selling
[2016-02-20 06:35:25] rapidtrades : cengel: diff accounts expose u to clawback risk on both accounts, u could have very small net exposure and get r*aped by clawback on one of the accounts
[2016-02-20 06:35:43] cengel : @jdub99 ok, well, maybe that's subaccount thing to fix
[2016-02-20 06:36:42] cengel : i'm a fan of opt-in features if it doesn't affect anything else.
[2016-02-20 06:37:08] cengel : i'm also in favor of opt-out features like opting out of this trollbox!
[2016-02-20 06:37:27] rapidtrades : just minimize the windown and f off
[2016-02-20 06:37:32] JDUB99 : subaccount is not the answer, the point is whether or not its feasible to utilize the "swing both ways" strategy
[2016-02-20 06:38:07] cengel : @rapidtrades sorry to make you feel like a beta in your own territory, get Wally to let me disable trollbox and i'll leave you alone
[2016-02-20 06:38:12] JDUB99 : subaccount is just a workaround, to a strategy that is "contreversial" (sp)
[2016-02-20 06:38:47] rapidtrades : JDUB99: subaccounts are a really bad idea while clawback exists, since it's tied to profit...also on bitmex its profit per contract, so longing different contracts still exposes u to clawback risk
[2016-02-20 06:40:05] JDUB99 : yea, I get that clawback exposure, but I'm discounting that b/c even if you take that out, the strategy is still somewhat dubious
[2016-02-20 06:40:56] rapidtrades : okc/finex gap now only 60 cents
[2016-02-20 06:41:11] JDUB99 : as clawback is a percentage of positions, one account, twenty accounts, the clawback should be the same
[2016-02-20 06:41:38] rapidtrades : what? no....u only get clawback on ur profits
[2016-02-20 06:42:17] JDUB99 : yea but if you profit 100, on one account or 20 accounts with 5 profit each account, won't the clawback be the same?
[2016-02-20 06:42:38] rapidtrades : if ur long on account A and short on B, and price crashes and we get 30% dpe...your profits will be 30% less on B and losses will be the same on A
[2016-02-20 06:43:10] cengel : yes it's a percentage basis. but if you're using multi positions to hedge the other you're at risk of a worse loss than if you just managed your net exposure with long/short
[2016-02-20 06:44:14] cengel : same reason why you should not do hedging on any socialised loss contracts whether from OKCcoin or bitmex XBT series
[2016-02-20 06:47:38] JDUB99 : speaking of dpe, is there a historical reccord of dpe for the contracts?
[2016-02-20 06:48:11] cengel : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-02-20 06:48:40] JDUB99 : ahhh it moved to the help tab
[2016-02-20 06:49:42] JDUB99 : so no dpe in a long time should indicate that bitmex as an exchange is 'in the money'?
[2016-02-20 06:49:57] JDUB99 : no socialized losses means traders are trading good?
[2016-02-20 06:50:18] cengel : no it means their liquidations are being scooped up in volatile times without issue
[2016-02-20 06:50:43] JDUB99 : oops nm didn't see december
[2016-02-20 06:50:46] rapidtrades : JDUB99: we haven't had crazy volatiliy since november/december
[2016-02-20 06:50:59] rapidtrades : JDUB99: yeah we had two days close to 30%
[2016-02-20 06:51:53] cengel : @JDUB99 according to the docs it should offset the losses: https://www.bitmex.com/app/dynamicProfitEqualisation
[2016-02-20 06:52:18] BTCDJS : Why XBT instead of BTC
[2016-02-20 06:52:32] JDUB99 : lol 34%...
[2016-02-20 06:52:36] JDUB99 : blame japan!
[2016-02-20 06:54:11] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1053 @ 423.90
[2016-02-20 06:55:25] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: XBT is an ISO currency code
[2016-02-20 06:55:31] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: XBT is used on Reuters and Bloomberg
[2016-02-20 06:56:00] BitMEX_Wally : The Kingdom of Bhutan does not issue a currency beginning with C so there is no such currency as BTC
[2016-02-20 06:56:35] elmorte : BTCDJS: morning
[2016-02-20 06:57:10] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: ok
[2016-02-20 06:57:23] elmorte : This may sound wrong....but thanks for last night ;)
[2016-02-20 06:58:25] elmorte : Wally got jokes :)
[2016-02-20 07:01:11] BTCDJS : elmorte: was it as good for you as it was for me?
[2016-02-20 07:04:07] elmorte : (̅_̅_̅(̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅()ڪ.
[2016-02-20 07:04:39] elmorte : Hehe...it's the font. not a comment on your size
[2016-02-20 07:05:47] BTCDJS : elmorte: ok. Now it's weird
[2016-02-20 07:06:36] elmorte : It's probably the most civilized convo in the last few hrs
[2016-02-20 07:09:13] elmorte : cengel: I managed to lose the trollbox
[2016-02-20 07:09:28] cengel : @elmorte please share how!
[2016-02-20 07:09:35] cengel : you lost it without screwing the widgets up for everythin else?
[2016-02-20 07:10:11] elmorte : By accident :) Trying to replicate. Had to refresh to get it back...but it was open in "fullscreen" mode...
[2016-02-20 07:10:11] rapidtrades : just minimize it and never open it again...are u that weak willed
[2016-02-20 07:10:49] cengel : rapidtrades, youve been crying for hours about a feature that you need because you cant do basic maths, dont tell me about complaining about features
[2016-02-20 07:11:01] elmorte : Ok, got it
[2016-02-20 07:11:17] rapidtrades : cengel: it's not a feature ''I need''
[2016-02-20 07:11:32] cengel : all i want is the ability to have the choice to disable the trllbox. that simple
[2016-02-20 07:11:48] rapidtrades : 1.HIT MINIMIZE
[2016-02-20 07:11:55] rapidtrades : 2. DON'T HIT RESTORE
[2016-02-20 07:12:06] rapidtrades : well that should've been 2
[2016-02-20 07:12:32] BTCDJS : Lol
[2016-02-20 07:13:46] elmorte : On Chrome Windows, make sure the browser is maximized. Then open Trollbox to full screen. Then click the maximize button again on the browser - boom, site minus the trollbox
[2016-02-20 07:14:46] cengel : if the window is maximised how can i click maximize button again
[2016-02-20 07:15:22] BTCDJS : cengel: easily lead? Are you in the percentage bracket of people who get put in a room alone with a red button. Get told not to push it. But you can't help yourself. Because you know you're not supposed to but you want to
[2016-02-20 07:15:50] cengel : @elmorte not working
[2016-02-20 07:15:55] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: yeah he's the type of person that needs the CFTC to protect him
[2016-02-20 07:16:05] elmorte : The button is still there, just that the function changes
[2016-02-20 07:16:08] rapidtrades : poor wittle cengel
[2016-02-20 07:16:24] cengel : @btcdjs i'm that percentage of people who wants to remove the trollbox. it doens't serve any critical purpose and should be opt-outable. it's that simple.
[2016-02-20 07:16:59] elmorte : Ok, I realized why it's happening. Once I "de-maximize", the brower width shrinks and the site UI changes to mobile
[2016-02-20 07:17:00] rapidtrades : ppl that want to leave just do it...they don't make drama exit
[2016-02-20 07:17:03] BTCDJS : You seem to love talking on it though
[2016-02-20 07:17:19] cengel : elmorte, yep i noticed that when inspecting the code in dev thing
[2016-02-20 07:17:27] elmorte : Then when I increase the brower width gradually, it switches back to normail UI minus the Trollbox
[2016-02-20 07:17:47] cengel : @rapidtrades It's to improve my experience on the website, not about a dramatic exit. I've tried many ways to do it and it's not working. I'm insisting because I've been asking for this feature for over a year
[2016-02-20 07:18:05] rapidtrades : who are u...
[2016-02-20 07:18:26] rapidtrades : noone has seen u here, ur a nobody
[2016-02-20 07:19:44] cengel : let's just say I was here before the Trollbox started to resemble its name, filled with people like you
[2016-02-20 07:20:01] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 200 @ 425.78
[2016-02-20 07:20:26] BTCDJS : Ooo snap
[2016-02-20 07:22:54] BTCDJS : Nice come back. But still. Is it the numbers that appear on the tab when it's minimised that draws you to it? Cos it's probably less work for Sam to remove the numbers by making it possible for you to mute it
[2016-02-20 07:23:07] BTCDJS : cengel:
[2016-02-20 07:23:15] rapidtrades : numbers top out at 101
[2016-02-20 07:23:28] rapidtrades : so just leave it on and don't touch it
[2016-02-20 07:23:33] elmorte : That seems arbitrary....
[2016-02-20 07:23:33] cengel : @btcdjs there's one solution to my problem: to completely disable/remove the trollbox. full stop.
[2016-02-20 07:23:47] elmorte : Yeah, but till then you hack it
[2016-02-20 07:23:51] rapidtrades : cengel: ur such a drama queen
[2016-02-20 07:24:10] elmorte : You could modify the Cloud to Butt extension...change every instance of a certain username to something....funny....
[2016-02-20 07:24:22] BTCDJS : cengel: so you admit you have a problem
[2016-02-20 07:25:24] BTCDJS : Dude 426!!
[2016-02-20 07:25:33] cengel : Yes, the problem of the trollbox not being removable even by playing with the code in userscript etc.
[2016-02-20 07:26:03] rapidtrades : $445 today
[2016-02-20 07:27:46] elmorte : Can't you hack it since you spent some time on it already? Change the font and bg to the same colour since you can't remove it
[2016-02-20 07:28:01] BTCDJS : Oh no back to denial. I thought we were making the first step towards recovery
[2016-02-20 07:28:29] cengel : @elmorte can't hack it to achieve actual removal no.
[2016-02-20 07:28:38] cengel : not without screwing up the whole widget layout lol
[2016-02-20 07:28:43] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: put 10btc on it? Lol
[2016-02-20 07:28:57] elmorte : cengel: Yes, I got that much. I'm saying mask it then
[2016-02-20 07:29:10] cengel : @elmorte thank you for the suggestion.
[2016-02-20 07:29:17] elmorte : put a bandaid on it :)
[2016-02-20 07:29:33] cengel : I'm going to keep being a pain in the ass about this
[2016-02-20 07:29:52] elmorte : No doubt
[2016-02-20 07:30:07] elmorte : Aight, gotta run, peace fellas
[2016-02-20 07:30:15] cengel : have a good one
[2016-02-20 07:30:15] rapidtrades : run now?
[2016-02-20 07:30:29] rapidtrades : we're about to breakout...maybe
[2016-02-20 07:30:45] BTCDJS : the second one
[2016-02-20 07:31:02] cryptostephen : MOON
[2016-02-20 07:31:09] cryptostephen : this is cointrader11 btw hehe hi
[2016-02-20 07:31:19] BTCDJS : look at the order book
[2016-02-20 07:32:01] rapidtrades : do u have risk of DPE? any large shorts taken earlier?
[2016-02-20 07:33:35] BTCDJS : whats DPE?
[2016-02-20 07:33:55] spinte7 : hello
[2016-02-20 07:34:00] spinte7 : how can I change Isolated mode?
[2016-02-20 07:34:27] BTCDJS : margin?
[2016-02-20 07:34:37] spinte7 : yeah, 100x daily
[2016-02-20 07:34:42] spinte7 : want to modify isolated mode
[2016-02-20 07:36:10] cryptostephen : 107% in profit
[2016-02-20 07:36:32] BTCDJS : change leverage on the left side on positions tab and you can change it on the confirmation tab when you are asked to confirm your order
[2016-02-20 07:38:53] BTCDJS : we have to break through this
[2016-02-20 07:39:37] rapidtrades : we don't have to but it would be desirable :)
[2016-02-20 07:39:45] spinte7 : BTCDJS: i change the leverage but I'm still on Isolated mode
[2016-02-20 07:40:46] BTCDJS : spinte7: if you choose cross isolate is off
[2016-02-20 07:41:17] spinte7 : but how do I choose cross? I don't have that checkbox anymore
[2016-02-20 07:42:11] rapidtrades : in the order panel there are points u can choose....cross 1x 5x etc...
[2016-02-20 07:42:27] rapidtrades : I think clicking on that? but I haven't tested it
[2016-02-20 07:42:42] BitMEX_Wally : You can click on 'Cross' or drag the slider to 'Cross'
[2016-02-20 07:42:44] rapidtrades : minimize chat if u can't see them
[2016-02-20 07:43:10] BTCDJS : under the colourful bar on the position information and order placing there is an anal bead looking thing. choose the first bead
[2016-02-20 07:43:26] rapidtrades : anal bead kekeke
[2016-02-20 07:44:21] spinte7 : BTCDJS: cross is 0x leverage
[2016-02-20 07:44:32] spinte7 : BTCDJS: I can't go 100x with cross?
[2016-02-20 07:44:41] BTCDJS : on yours it must be
[2016-02-20 07:44:46] BTCDJS : nope
[2016-02-20 07:45:00] BitMEX_Wally : By enabling cross margin it basically puts the position on 100x and then tops it up as needed with your available margin
[2016-02-20 07:45:35] BTCDJS : oh. ok then
[2016-02-20 07:46:09] spinte7 : BitMEX_Wally: ty
[2016-02-20 07:46:14] BTCDJS : spinte7: don't listen to me mate. ill just lead you into a dark ally with anal beads
[2016-02-20 08:13:18] gaoMex : BitMEX_Wally: Login after a week to see the new interface.
[2016-02-20 08:13:43] gaoMex : The ability to adjust margin amount is no loner there?
[2016-02-20 08:13:49] gaoMex : *longer
[2016-02-20 08:14:15] BitMEX_Wally : gaoMex: It is there
[2016-02-20 08:14:24] BitMEX_Wally : If you have a position
[2016-02-20 08:14:50] gaoMex : Previously it was under Open Positions
[2016-02-20 08:15:04] gaoMex : Oh yes, it's there
[2016-02-20 08:15:10] BitMEX_Wally : Turn off Cross Margin
[2016-02-20 08:15:11] gaoMex : sorry I missed it
[2016-02-20 08:56:04] BTCDJS : stop panicking its going to be fine
[2016-02-20 09:20:55] BTCDJS : i fucking hope we can get through this before 24H expires. BitMEX_Wally can't you change it to 48H?
[2016-02-20 09:32:06] BitMEX_Wally : BTCDJS: We will be launching XBT48H soon
[2016-02-20 09:32:22] BTCDJS : cool still 100x
[2016-02-20 09:32:28] BitMEX_Wally : Yes
[2016-02-20 09:32:35] BTCDJS : fantastic
[2016-02-20 09:32:42] BitMEX_Wally : If you go long XBT48H then it will become XBT24H the next day
[2016-02-20 09:32:42] micmix : 0kcoin top 10 up to 46k XBT, highest since Dec. 18th. IMHO expect a big move soon
[2016-02-20 09:32:59] BTCDJS : micmix: i could kiss you
[2016-02-20 09:33:06] cengel : is it a separate contract to trade or just to roll over between XBT24H_0 to XBT24H_1
[2016-02-20 09:33:09] cengel : like the old calendar spreads
[2016-02-20 09:33:14] micmix : BTCDJS: no thanks :-)
[2016-02-20 09:33:49] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, we will look at a calendar spread contract to make it easy to roll
[2016-02-20 09:33:52] BTCDJS : micmix: come here you ?
[2016-02-20 09:35:26] cengel : alright I see, sounds good
[2016-02-20 09:37:14] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: do you have any bots on testnet that place orders and take liquidity? I see a MM running but not sure about anything else.
[2016-02-20 09:37:34] BitMEX_Wally : Yes we run a bot that randomly hits bids/offers
[2016-02-20 09:38:26] micmix : ok, good. market orders or limits only?
[2016-02-20 09:39:38] micmix : just trying to understand how similar it's going to be to the real market
[2016-02-20 09:42:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 4500 @ 429.02
[2016-02-20 09:43:15] JDUB99 : pop-stop-RUN!
[2016-02-20 09:44:14] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: would you mind if I run a bot that will reproduce trades from the live market on testnet?
[2016-02-20 09:44:23] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 09:45:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 22000 @ 430.23 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-20 09:45:08] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Sure :)
[2016-02-20 09:45:17] BTCDJS : #REKT
[2016-02-20 09:45:33] BTCDJS : #bullrun
[2016-02-20 09:45:36] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: cool, have to mine couple hundreds testnet coins first
[2016-02-20 10:06:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 4240 @ 435.46
[2016-02-20 10:09:07] rapidtrades : weeee 431
[2016-02-20 10:12:37] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: are we headed for a correction?
[2016-02-20 10:14:02] BTCDJS : 424 as support?
[2016-02-20 10:16:25] tscha : Sam still sleeping I suppose?
[2016-02-20 10:17:34] TraderStefan : I'm lovin' these UI changes
[2016-02-20 10:20:09] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: corrections are for pussies
[2016-02-20 10:23:19] BTCDJS : dem 1minute candles tho
[2016-02-20 10:25:38] BTCDJS : https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8vsujkIbLAhUL2xoKHQ2GA1wQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fshapeshift.io%2Fbearwhale.html&psig=AFQjCNHVampkJU1lbXoJDzoKiHzixTyaYw&ust=1456050316214355
[2016-02-20 10:45:42] elmorte : Damn, yous weren't joking....
[2016-02-20 10:46:30] elmorte : Stupid kids wanting to go to a park on a weekend afternoon.
[2016-02-20 10:47:30] BTCDJS : elmorte: spend time with your kids mate. don't be selfish
[2016-02-20 10:47:59] elmorte : I'm joking bud, I'm loving every minute of it
[2016-02-20 10:48:29] tscha : lol
[2016-02-20 10:48:56] BTCDJS : elmorte: ?
[2016-02-20 10:49:08] elmorte : Being facetious, if you like :)
[2016-02-20 10:53:28] zanza : rapidtrades: you been short ?
[2016-02-20 10:53:59] rapidtrades : lol?
[2016-02-20 10:54:27] zanza : did you lose money?
[2016-02-20 10:54:34] rapidtrades : loool
[2016-02-20 10:54:50] rapidtrades : are u srs...
[2016-02-20 10:55:18] rapidtrades : not sure if he's serious fellas
[2016-02-20 10:55:52] habibi : zanza: whats ur biggest position here was?
[2016-02-20 10:55:56] BTCDJS : i don't know how one could just arrive and assume such a thing
[2016-02-20 10:57:16] rapidtrades : I don't know either
[2016-02-20 10:58:41] BTCDJS : are there any female traders here? some of these nicknames seem feminine to me
[2016-02-20 10:59:18] BTCDJS : btw i think its short city
[2016-02-20 10:59:28] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: it's not
[2016-02-20 11:01:44] BitMEX_Wally : There are quite a few users with real names that look feminine
[2016-02-20 11:02:12] BitMEX_Wally : The majority of traders do not use the troll box
[2016-02-20 11:02:23] rapidtrades : ARE HOT CHICKS HERE
[2016-02-20 11:02:29] thehawthorne : HEHEHEHE
[2016-02-20 11:02:50] rapidtrades : just started R/BITMEXDATING
[2016-02-20 11:03:10] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-20 11:06:30] BitMEX_Wally : BitMEX... find a perfect match. Not just for your orders
[2016-02-20 11:07:54] rapidtrades : WHERE'S MY GREEN DILDO
[2016-02-20 11:08:48] Tulip_stefan : The quality in the trollbox seems inversely related to the price lately.
[2016-02-20 11:09:28] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: i disagree. the banter is always top notch
[2016-02-20 11:24:47] elmorte : BTCDJS: +1
[2016-02-20 11:25:10] cengel : @BitMex_Wally a majority dont use the trollbox so why force it to be visible?
[2016-02-20 11:25:17] cengel : isn't that more reason to just let people check a box in settings to not display trollbox?
[2016-02-20 11:25:33] BitMEX_Wally : You can minimise it
[2016-02-20 11:25:44] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Lord_Ashdrake/status/701003886807617537
[2016-02-20 11:26:13] rapidtrades : god bless America
[2016-02-20 11:26:21] cengel : @bitmex_wally that's like forcing you to run Solitaire all day and just telling you 'lol, minimise it' instead of just being able to close it
[2016-02-20 11:27:16] rapidtrades : can u believe this f guy
[2016-02-20 11:27:41] BTCDJS : WT actual F?
[2016-02-20 11:27:46] elmorte : I didn't open the trollbox for two weeks, until I accidentally stumbled upon it on mobile
[2016-02-20 11:28:18] elmorte : Been hooked since, so I agree with @cengel ...shut it down Wallu
[2016-02-20 11:28:23] elmorte : Y
[2016-02-20 11:28:45] cengel : it must be deeply intertangled in the code if it's that much of a hassle to remove it, makes no sense otherwise to be so opposed to the option to remove it
[2016-02-20 11:29:00] elmorte : Sorry, one handed typing
[2016-02-20 11:29:29] habibi : https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700997980527022080 good rumors
[2016-02-20 11:29:32] thehawthorne : the only one opposed is you cengel
[2016-02-20 11:29:57] Tulip_stefan : personally i don't see the big difference between 'minimize it' and 'remove it' but that might be just me.. If you really want to get rid of it, custom css.
[2016-02-20 11:30:07] cengel : stefan stop saying that when it doesn't work
[2016-02-20 11:30:24] Tulip_stefan : give me 5 minutes. I suck at css but i'm sure i can figure it out.
[2016-02-20 11:30:38] cengel : we've already been through this earlier the element doesn't cleanly remove without mucking the whole UI up
[2016-02-20 11:30:51] cengel : which is probably why they don't want to let us remove it as an option
[2016-02-20 11:30:51] thehawthorne : just take a sheet of paper a scissor and some glue
[2016-02-20 11:30:56] thehawthorne : voila trollbox gone
[2016-02-20 11:31:43] elmorte : To be frank, he's not asking for much, and my name's not even Frank
[2016-02-20 11:31:51] BitMEX_Wally : For someone who wants the trollbox gone, you seem to spend a lot of time chatting in it
[2016-02-20 11:31:59] elmorte : Lo
[2016-02-20 11:32:02] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: thats what i said
[2016-02-20 11:32:03] thehawthorne : HUEHUEHUE#
[2016-02-20 11:32:04] elmorte : L
[2016-02-20 11:32:14] cengel : it's okay Wally it's probably too hard for you to code removing it. no problem.
[2016-02-20 11:32:24] rapidtrades : dam
[2016-02-20 11:32:32] elmorte : Shots fired!
[2016-02-20 11:32:33] BTCDJS : cengel: don't be a douche pleb
[2016-02-20 11:32:36] thehawthorne : and btw he is NOT complaining at all
[2016-02-20 11:32:54] BitMEX_Wally : If the minimised troll box bothers you so much then send an email to support@bitmex.com with a feature request
[2016-02-20 11:33:03] BitMEX_Wally : But we will only implement it if you stop talking in the trollbox
[2016-02-20 11:33:10] BitMEX_Wally : From now on
[2016-02-20 11:33:21] rapidtrades : fair rules
[2016-02-20 11:33:21] cengel : the request has been ignored long enough so i'm not going to bother
[2016-02-20 11:33:29] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Wally: thats clever
[2016-02-20 11:33:33] BitMEX_Wally : I'm offering you a deal
[2016-02-20 11:33:37] cengel : i'm refusing the deal
[2016-02-20 11:33:49] habibi : can we get back to "hating new ui" talk? thats was fun, now its getting sad
[2016-02-20 11:33:54] BTCDJS : cengel: dude
[2016-02-20 11:33:59] rapidtrades : WHAT A SURPRISE @cengel
[2016-02-20 11:34:22] cengel : what I've asked is completely reasonable, troll me all you want
[2016-02-20 11:34:37] BTCDJS : cengel: actually its not
[2016-02-20 11:34:38] thehawthorne : to whom it may concern: i enjoy this
[2016-02-20 11:35:03] habibi : where are litcoin contracts BitMEX_Wally?
[2016-02-20 11:35:07] BTCDJS : cengel: my 13 year old daughter comes up with stuff like this.
[2016-02-20 11:35:10] thehawthorne : troll in trollbox... never!...wait
[2016-02-20 11:35:35] tscha : I agree with cengel a little bit because the minimized trollbox is still distracting since the "missed messages" counter is always changing
[2016-02-20 11:35:49] BitMEX_Arthur : habibi: We delisted them
[2016-02-20 11:35:51] BitMEX_Arthur : for lack of interest
[2016-02-20 11:35:59] habibi : ah ok
[2016-02-20 11:36:09] Tulip_stefan : here, custom css to remove the trollbox: http://pastebin.com/SK50rm6Z
[2016-02-20 11:36:12] thehawthorne : yea i get distracted by birds flying around too, shoot them
[2016-02-20 11:36:16] Tulip_stefan : paste in greasemoney script.
[2016-02-20 11:36:38] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: lol
[2016-02-20 11:36:38] Tulip_stefan : took met 6 minutes. Longer than expected.
[2016-02-20 11:37:33] rapidtrades : goodbye cenges
[2016-02-20 11:38:07] SnackyCoins : BitMEX_Arthur: I think in the UI shakeup we lost the ability to click on our current position in order to autofill that value into the quantity box. Can this functionality be restored?
[2016-02-20 11:38:16] SnackyCoins : (or has it moved?)
[2016-02-20 11:38:56] tscha : +1
[2016-02-20 11:39:01] zanza : *23
[2016-02-20 11:39:07] tscha : no, it's gone, you are right
[2016-02-20 11:39:14] BitMEX_Arthur : Doesn't seem that is enabled, we are getting a lot of feedback, please shoot an email to support@bitmex.com so we can have a paper trail
[2016-02-20 11:39:29] BitMEX_Arthur : if there is something that has been removed that you would like put back in
[2016-02-20 11:39:53] cengel : @Tulip_stefan nice! great job. when me and the other guy earlier were playing with it we took a different approach, thank you
[2016-02-20 11:40:10] thehawthorne : how can you say
[2016-02-20 11:40:10] SnackyCoins : kk :)
[2016-02-20 11:40:12] Tulip_stefan : happy to help.
[2016-02-20 11:40:21] thehawthorne : if you have it running now
[2016-02-20 11:40:27] thehawthorne : !?!?!?!?!!?!!?
[2016-02-20 11:40:30] thehawthorne : HUEHUEHUE
[2016-02-20 11:41:17] BTCDJS : LTC is making a move!?
[2016-02-20 11:41:20] cengel : @Tulip_stefan provide a bitcoin address so i can send you a beer
[2016-02-20 11:43:01] Tulip_stefan : i don't drink beer but whatever: 1C7NfWE3LWa62kBLPuXg5my4aip1UqJPrz
[2016-02-20 11:43:11] BTCDJS : broke through barrier ?
[2016-02-20 11:43:17] habibi : shiet, thats some magic. sending bear directly into btc adress
[2016-02-20 11:44:15] Tulip_stefan : be careful, or i'll punch you over TCP/IP.
[2016-02-20 11:44:22] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBTH16`: Buy 28675 @ 458.41 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-20 11:45:30] BTCDJS : lets go ?
[2016-02-20 11:46:27] thehawthorne : HUEHUE
[2016-02-20 11:48:19] cengel : @tulip_stefan well buy some potatos then instead. thanks again
[2016-02-20 11:48:44] Tulip_stefan : beer-money received.
[2016-02-20 11:48:46] BTCDJS : cengel: well I guess this is goodbye. All the best
[2016-02-20 11:49:17] cengel : peace out trolls. as you were.
[2016-02-20 11:50:04] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 11:57:31] BTCDJS : cengel: I thought you were leaving us?
[2016-02-20 11:58:36] thehawthorne : he is in love with the coco
[2016-02-20 11:59:00] BitMEX_Arthur : Baking soda, I got baking soda
[2016-02-20 11:59:30] thehawthorne : O_O
[2016-02-20 12:01:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 337 @ 433.70
[2016-02-20 12:02:34] BTCDJS : he's still here!?
[2016-02-20 12:09:06] rapidtrades : making too much money to care
[2016-02-20 12:09:11] habibi : china <3
[2016-02-20 12:09:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1000 @ 433.65
[2016-02-20 12:09:32] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 4000 @ 433.41
[2016-02-20 12:09:53] gustavo7 : lol
[2016-02-20 12:12:36] hashman : can we have LTC back now?
[2016-02-20 12:16:10] hashman : please
[2016-02-20 12:17:32] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2546 @ 433.84
[2016-02-20 12:17:53] gustavo7 : why is LTC pumping?
[2016-02-20 12:18:34] BTCDJS : its looking for attention because bitcoin is getting all the glory
[2016-02-20 12:20:18] salcon : лайты убрали из торгов?
[2016-02-20 12:27:00] Tulip_stefan : According to my backtester, which has failed me many times in the past, my strategy nets met 5 BTC profit in 2 months when trading with a position size of a maximum of 1000 contracts. Let's see how that turns out in practice...
[2016-02-20 12:31:42] REKT : Close your longs, close your shorts, choppy waters ahead!
[2016-02-20 12:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 16 @ 0.01016
[2016-02-20 12:31:42] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 3 @ 0.01016 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-20 12:52:42] viptrader : what we trading today
[2016-02-20 12:52:53] viptrader : thoughts on the next move
[2016-02-20 12:53:33] BTCDJS : viptrader: i reckon short XBT at 235ish
[2016-02-20 12:54:49] habibi : i think 160 is not the bottom, we can go futher down
[2016-02-20 12:56:53] BTCDJS : habibi: you think bitcoin is going down that far??
[2016-02-20 12:57:08] habibi : just joking
[2016-02-20 12:57:23] BTCDJS : f hell i thought you must have been
[2016-02-20 12:57:40] BTCDJS : but i wasn't sure if you were talking about something else
[2016-02-20 12:57:52] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-20 13:09:24] mrp1nk : todays recommendation: btfd
[2016-02-20 13:17:27] viptrader : todays recommendation
[2016-02-20 13:17:42] viptrader : dont listen to anyone recommendation
[2016-02-20 13:18:04] habibi : so many new traders in trollbox these days shiet.
[2016-02-20 13:19:02] viptrader : habibi: hello , turn on the shisha
[2016-02-20 13:19:31] habibi : Hey man, good to have u here;)
[2016-02-20 13:21:58] BTCDJS : trust me. I know what I'm doing
[2016-02-20 13:22:31] cryptostephen : Do u guys have a section of my account where I can see total account balance over history?
[2016-02-20 13:22:44] cryptostephen : Like how much I've made on this account since creation?
[2016-02-20 13:23:00] BTCDJS : click on your total balance upper right
[2016-02-20 13:23:38] BitMEX_Arthur : If you click on Account, then Wallet, you will see all cash transactions on your account
[2016-02-20 13:24:39] BTCDJS : thats too many clicks. mines quicker ?
[2016-02-20 13:25:52] BTCDJS : viptrader: i was joking by the way. you can't sense the tone in text ?
[2016-02-20 13:33:07] cryptostephen : Made 300% on my 100x long last night lol
[2016-02-20 13:33:38] cryptostephen : but my withdrawal still says I need to click the email conf even tho I already did they
[2016-02-20 13:35:15] cryptostephen : Just read ur withdrawal policy. I see u do withdrawals all at once
[2016-02-20 13:36:02] BitMEX_Arthur : cryptostephen: Yes once daily at 13 UTC
[2016-02-20 13:47:52] 00Smurf : you should add a net sum and net loss, that tracks your %gain or loss over time
[2016-02-20 13:47:56] habibi : sometimes they do more othen
[2016-02-20 13:50:27] mrp1nk : seems like consensus reached: https://twitter.com/cnLedger
[2016-02-20 13:51:41] BTCDJS : mrp1nk: not yet
[2016-02-20 13:51:48] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/701041152192077827
[2016-02-20 13:52:33] mrp1nk : thx, are you there'?
[2016-02-20 13:53:49] mrp1nk : or is this another guy?
[2016-02-20 13:55:47] BTCDJS : huh?
[2016-02-20 13:56:01] mrp1nk : i mean is this your twitter accound?
[2016-02-20 13:56:06] mrp1nk : account
[2016-02-20 13:56:08] BTCDJS : no
[2016-02-20 14:04:10] rapidtrades : ''no food until consensus''
[2016-02-20 14:04:13] rapidtrades : he ded now
[2016-02-20 14:05:38] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: I think he should just stand up and walk out. What are they going to do about it?
[2016-02-20 14:06:07] BTCDJS : f4ck em
[2016-02-20 14:13:23] BTCDJS : https://twitter.com/Satoshi_N_/status/701045240803815424
[2016-02-20 14:13:55] BTCDJS : ? someone give this man a mcdonnalds
[2016-02-20 14:16:08] Tulip_stefan : It still bugs me that windows media player and windows explorer are the only 2 programs i know that don't implement alt-space handling properly. Really, microsoft?
[2016-02-20 14:29:51] rapidtrades : HOLD THE F LINE
[2016-02-20 14:30:03] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 431.64
[2016-02-20 14:30:07] rapidtrades : or not...your choice
[2016-02-20 14:30:50] rapidtrades : $435 seems an arbitrary top?
[2016-02-20 14:31:02] Tulip_stefan : all tops are arbitrary....
[2016-02-20 14:31:04] rapidtrades : like $445 or $450 makes sense
[2016-02-20 14:31:41] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: rly...guess it's a coincidence the November rally stopped right at $500
[2016-02-20 14:32:07] Tulip_stefan : If tops depended merely on how human-readable the number is, i would've exploited that with an algorithm long ago.
[2016-02-20 14:32:29] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-20 14:32:39] BTCDJS : i know you don't like technical analysis but 435 is resistance in in a tunnel. and 425 is the new bottom.
[2016-02-20 14:32:54] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: what resistance?
[2016-02-20 14:33:14] rapidtrades : i see nothing between $425 and $450
[2016-02-20 14:33:35] Tulip_stefan : BTCDJS: i like technical analysis. I just don't believe it's better than a dice roll.
[2016-02-20 14:33:59] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: u trade on TA, u just don't know what it is
[2016-02-20 14:34:47] BTCDJS : https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/tRzEr0Ns-hmmm/
[2016-02-20 14:36:11] Tulip_stefan : top on the 15'th seems awfully arbitrary.
[2016-02-20 14:36:57] rapidtrades : BTCDJS: ok...I don't follow channels
[2016-02-20 14:37:02] rapidtrades : but i see ur point
[2016-02-20 14:37:38] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: it wasnt a top
[2016-02-20 14:37:52] rapidtrades : that's why it didn't hold up
[2016-02-20 14:42:24] darius177 : Bitcoin tends to like square numbers that's how it is with almost any market
[2016-02-20 14:43:59] BTCDJS : darius177: huh?
[2016-02-20 14:44:05] rapidtrades : when a partially close a position on finex, does it close the margin funding with the highest interest rate?
[2016-02-20 14:44:11] sleger : by square he means something else
[2016-02-20 14:44:19] rapidtrades : round?
[2016-02-20 14:44:28] sleger : most likely
[2016-02-20 14:44:36] sleger : now i dont want to pretend to read minds
[2016-02-20 14:44:42] sleger : even for me that would be a stretch
[2016-02-20 14:44:46] Tulip_stefan : i used human-readable to keep the definition as open as possible.
[2016-02-20 14:45:29] BTCDJS : is that 10k order somebody trying to get out?
[2016-02-20 14:45:45] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-02-20 14:45:48] habibi : 10k what and where?
[2016-02-20 14:45:53] rapidtrades : gone
[2016-02-20 14:46:09] BTCDJS : 432.07 buy order
[2016-02-20 14:46:14] Tulip_stefan : 432.07 10000
[2016-02-20 14:46:20] rapidtrades : get out from what?
[2016-02-20 14:46:29] sleger : Tulip_stefan: instead of buying your algo I would propose something along the lines of : you give me an executable with some datetime where it stops working, I decide which capital I put and we slowly increase risk as it builds pnl, you update the executable if you think its worth it, and when I make 3btc I give you 1, when I make 6 I give you 2 etc... ?
[2016-02-20 14:47:01] rapidtrades : he's not selling? is he?
[2016-02-20 14:47:06] BTCDJS : oh shit i thought of that the wrong way round duh
[2016-02-20 14:47:10] rapidtrades : I never saw him shill
[2016-02-20 14:47:50] Tulip_stefan : my current support structure is a lifetime license but you don't receive updates after X time.
[2016-02-20 14:47:57] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-20 14:47:59] rapidtrades : gtfo
[2016-02-20 14:48:33] Tulip_stefan : the original idea was that that algoithms have a limited lifetime, but our current algo has far exceeded it's expected lifetime.
[2016-02-20 14:48:37] sleger : Tulip_stefan: yes but I dont want to give you 5btc upfront, but we can work out a deal where I start for a short time with small capital, if I like the returns I increase etc... and we can even work out something where you can get more than 5 btc if I make enough
[2016-02-20 14:49:01] rapidtrades : u sell ur algo for 5 btc....REALLY
[2016-02-20 14:49:04] rapidtrades : REALLY?
[2016-02-20 14:49:07] rapidtrades : for 2k?
[2016-02-20 14:49:12] rapidtrades : 2,000 big ones?
[2016-02-20 14:49:25] rapidtrades : 2,000 greenbacks?
[2016-02-20 14:49:31] rapidtrades : 2,000 $1 bills?
[2016-02-20 14:49:41] rapidtrades : that's like a used car
[2016-02-20 14:49:41] sleger : if you trust your algo we can work something out where I end up paying you much more, but I want to see some returns first and not get scammed out of 5 btc
[2016-02-20 14:49:44] habibi : 2k contracts without leverage
[2016-02-20 14:49:45] rapidtrades : are u crazy?
[2016-02-20 14:50:01] sleger : rapidtrades: in the US used cars go for 2k USD ?
[2016-02-20 14:50:23] rapidtrades : I think everywhere used cars go for 2k
[2016-02-20 14:50:29] BTCDJS : yep
[2016-02-20 14:50:35] BTCDJS : i can confirm that
[2016-02-20 14:50:41] rapidtrades : ^
[2016-02-20 14:50:44] rapidtrades : he's from everywhere
[2016-02-20 14:50:45] Tulip_stefan : i don't buy into 'i'll pay you X% of my profit' schemed. First, it makes my venue profitable even if the algorithm did not work due to random walk effects. Second, profit is notoriously hard to define. I figured it out, but i'm pretty sure my method is unique. Blog post coming soon.
[2016-02-20 14:50:48] sleger : My first used car was around 60k...
[2016-02-20 14:51:16] rapidtrades : a car for normal ppl
[2016-02-20 14:51:17] BTCDJS : sleger: WTF
[2016-02-20 14:51:31] BTCDJS : USD?
[2016-02-20 14:51:32] habibi : my biggest position here was 60k contracts
[2016-02-20 14:51:34] sleger : Tulip_stefan: i offer you a no risk for you trial : give me an executable that can trade max 0.1 btc if you want and stops after one week
[2016-02-20 14:51:52] BTCDJS : habibi: what price?
[2016-02-20 14:52:03] sleger : if we are both happy (i pay you some parts) then we do it again for one week with 1btc max .... if it looks good i can put hundreds and you can make more
[2016-02-20 14:52:28] 00Smurf : eth dumping
[2016-02-20 14:52:31] habibi : sleger u really take respect to ur money, nice :)
[2016-02-20 14:52:35] sleger : BTCDJS: yes usd although it was in euros at the time so maybe a bit more than 60 actually
[2016-02-20 14:53:01] Tulip_stefan : sleger: i'm sure you will be disappointed. Due to random walk effects, i can't guarantee that you'll make a profit in one week. Or even one month. I had a few months with a few percent loss according to our profit calculations.
[2016-02-20 14:53:04] BTCDJS : what was it? a bently? rolls royce?
[2016-02-20 14:53:07] rapidtrades : u prolly paid 50% in taxes u filthy commie @sleger
[2016-02-20 14:53:12] sleger : Tulip_stefan: I run my own algos but I like diversification
[2016-02-20 14:53:23] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: lol that#s some shitty algo
[2016-02-20 14:53:28] sleger : BTCDJS: maserati
[2016-02-20 14:53:52] habibi : Tulip_stefan: so why da fuck u selling that lel?
[2016-02-20 14:53:54] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well then give me an exe that trades 0.1btc max for 2 months
[2016-02-20 14:54:02] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: this 'shitty algo' made ~150% profit last year.
[2016-02-20 14:54:46] sleger : Tulip_stefan: I am happy to be patient, and there is no risk for you. It just doesnt make sense to sell a profitable algo for a fixed price unless its a scam. I offer you something more reasonable
[2016-02-20 14:55:53] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: do what coincide does. they trade on your platform but only take profit if you make profit
[2016-02-20 14:56:13] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 49 @ 0.00996
[2016-02-20 14:56:14] BTCDJS : coincube ffs coincube.io
[2016-02-20 14:56:23] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.00994
[2016-02-20 14:56:54] BTCDJS : they have a supposed fancy algorithm called wave
[2016-02-20 14:57:04] Tulip_stefan : habibi: i'm not selling mainly for the money. It's more fun if i have a few customers even if it isn't finalcially attractive.
[2016-02-20 14:57:28] BTCDJS : it shorted went long on btw when it was shorting. maybe yours is better
[2016-02-20 14:57:53] BTCDJS : it went long when bitcoin was shorting
[2016-02-20 14:58:02] Tulip_stefan : sleger: i'll think about it. Currently our bot doesn't allow the kind of restrictions you're proposing because i don't want to encumber it with poorly working DRM. It uses a simple licencing scheme powered by the blockchain.
[2016-02-20 14:59:01] Tulip_stefan : BTCDJS: 'we only make profit if you profit' is honestly a scam.
[2016-02-20 14:59:20] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: 150% during a bull year for BTC doesn't say much
[2016-02-20 14:59:21] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well then you should be delighted, because you will get feedback from an algo trader, might help you even more. Think about it but I dont need any contract / agreement etc... we just do a week / month whatever at a time and we can both break the deal whenever. I couldnt care less about 0.1btc profit but before i invest hundreds I want to see it work on small scale
[2016-02-20 14:59:26] rapidtrades : what is the risk per tade
[2016-02-20 14:59:44] Tulip_stefan : low.
[2016-02-20 14:59:49] Tulip_stefan : because graphs are pretty: anyway because graphs are pretty: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18772348/images/profit%20alltime..png
[2016-02-20 14:59:57] rapidtrades : lol HOW MUCH
[2016-02-20 14:59:58] sleger : Tulip_stefan: publish daily pnl on your website ?
[2016-02-20 15:00:15] sleger : ah ok this graph works
[2016-02-20 15:00:22] BTCDJS : rapidtrades: ? sounds reasonable
[2016-02-20 15:00:38] rapidtrades : u were quick to shit out 150% gains but u can't say what the risk is
[2016-02-20 15:01:08] Tulip_stefan : we trade only on the spot market. I don't do risk management because it isn't necessary. Frankly, i have no idea how to define 'risk'
[2016-02-20 15:01:10] sleger : Tulip_stefan: whats that pic down in may 2015 ?
[2016-02-20 15:01:22] Tulip_stefan : let me check.
[2016-02-20 15:01:41] sleger : looks like a bad price/tick
[2016-02-20 15:01:55] habibi : funny, the more u loose at some point the faster u recover
[2016-02-20 15:02:44] sleger : habibi: thats normal look at btc price at this point, he was short most likely
[2016-02-20 15:02:54] rapidtrades : i don't do risk management because it's not necessary
[2016-02-20 15:03:04] habibi : i thought he trades spots only
[2016-02-20 15:03:05] rapidtrades : that tells u all u need to do about this joker
[2016-02-20 15:03:30] Tulip_stefan : I manually remove bad ticks because the exchange's api doesn't allow atomic readouts of the balance. But i think i missed that one. Can't find which exchange it is right now.
[2016-02-20 15:03:33] rapidtrades : random walker...walk the f*ck outta here
[2016-02-20 15:03:52] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-20 15:04:21] rapidtrades : i can tell u right now that ur risk was way too high, so 150% is nothing special in a year bitcoin gained 60%
[2016-02-20 15:04:30] sleger : Tulip_stefan: is this graph at constant risk / capital ?
[2016-02-20 15:05:02] sleger : rapidtrades: his graph has 2014 ?
[2016-02-20 15:05:09] sleger : what did bitcoin do in 2014 ?
[2016-02-20 15:05:35] Tulip_stefan : sleger: that graph is is the total amount of profit since inception. I started with 0.1 LTC but didn't collect data until i had 1 BTC.
[2016-02-20 15:05:42] habibi : Tulip_stefan: but u trades spots only without lvl right?
[2016-02-20 15:05:51] Tulip_stefan : habibi: spot only no leverage.
[2016-02-20 15:05:59] habibi : so basically no shorts