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[2016-02-19 18:18:18] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: u know how? by restoring the old UI
[2016-02-19 18:18:26] djuan : rapidtrades: lol
[2016-02-19 18:18:35] djuan : relentless
[2016-02-19 18:19:04] elmorte : raptra, it's human to resist change
[2016-02-19 18:19:07] rapidtrades : if the old UI was Hitler, I would personally fly him to Argentina
[2016-02-19 18:19:25] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: also the order entry boxes (price and qty) dont work as well as before. Not sure exactly why but it takes me more clicks to select the numbers etc...
[2016-02-19 18:19:54] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: Those haven't changed, I'm not sure why you would have that issue
[2016-02-19 18:19:58] BitMEX_Sam : Can you put your finger on what the difference is?
[2016-02-19 18:20:02] sleger : rapidtrades: I thought american were not that antisemitic
[2016-02-19 18:20:24] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: maybe the font is smaller ?
[2016-02-19 18:20:42] BitMEX_Sam : It's not. The boxes are smaller but that was mostly wasted space before
[2016-02-19 18:21:00] BitMEX_Sam : The only behavioral difference is that clicking the labels now selects the contents of the box, and that the first click selects all the text
[2016-02-19 18:21:12] sleger : ah yes thats it
[2016-02-19 18:21:14] tscha : yes
[2016-02-19 18:21:16] tscha : just wanted to write that
[2016-02-19 18:21:21] elmorte : 350mil americans, hardly a homogenius nation
[2016-02-19 18:21:25] sleger : well so it takes one more click to select just decimals for instance
[2016-02-19 18:21:27] tscha : you need one more click now
[2016-02-19 18:21:41] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, my thought was one fewer click if you want to replace the price outright
[2016-02-19 18:21:50] BitMEX_Sam : But if you guys think that is surprising/annoying I'm happy to revert it
[2016-02-19 18:21:53] sleger : way more than 50% prefer the old UI, that should deserve a rollback
[2016-02-19 18:22:13] habibi : hardfork is needed.
[2016-02-19 18:22:24] rapidtrades : ^this Muslim knows what he's talking about
[2016-02-19 18:22:27] djuan : you guys ?
[2016-02-19 18:22:47] elmorte : must ask the Chinese first
[2016-02-19 18:22:54] elmorte : politely
[2016-02-19 18:23:13] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: Not selecting contents was better imho. If you want to select all, you could still do it in one click by click+hold+move
[2016-02-19 18:23:28] sleger : +1
[2016-02-19 18:23:38] elmorte : or dblclick?
[2016-02-19 18:24:02] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: :+1: Okay, thanks for the feedback, we'll add that to the next changeset
[2016-02-19 18:24:07] sleger : also make the font bigger since there is room in that box
[2016-02-19 18:24:55] tscha : ?
[2016-02-19 18:25:13] elmorte : Sam, could I get a fed of singles in my area as well in the bottom right?
[2016-02-19 18:25:24] elmorte : feed*
[2016-02-19 18:25:32] djuan : there now. isn't that nice and productive?
[2016-02-19 18:25:42] BitMEX_Sam : hah
[2016-02-19 18:26:14] elmorte : yeah...sam wasn't going to drink tonite
[2016-02-19 18:26:23] elmorte : well, plans change bud
[2016-02-19 18:27:42] elmorte : Any married dudes or living with gf?
[2016-02-19 18:27:53] elmorte : or bf, shit, ots 2016
[2016-02-19 18:27:56] djuan : me married why?
[2016-02-19 18:28:47] habibi : its a trap question?
[2016-02-19 18:28:55] elmorte : does your mrs come at you wtih youre always so busy, on your phone, btc this, btc that...?
[2016-02-19 18:29:25] djuan : nope she's supportive cos I'm making money
[2016-02-19 18:29:31] elmorte : habibi: we know how you feel about the inferior gender
[2016-02-19 18:30:26] elmorte : thats a good woman right there @djuan
[2016-02-19 18:30:32] djuan : also i don't ignore her when I'm on. she is talking to me right now and I'm presently talking to her
[2016-02-19 18:31:10] elmorte : you guys on whatsapp? skype?
[2016-02-19 18:31:30] elmorte : snapchat!
[2016-02-19 18:31:57] habibi : mine hates only when i do night sitting coz china can't change their time zone to europe like every normal country do
[2016-02-19 18:32:00] djuan : nah just twitter
[2016-02-19 18:32:27] elmorte : djuan: word
[2016-02-19 18:33:00] elmorte : habibi: how many u have? allowed 4 bud
[2016-02-19 18:33:34] habibi : still don't know i u wanna instult me or not, express urself more directly please!
[2016-02-19 18:33:39] elmorte : thats 4 6hour shifts
[2016-02-19 18:34:02] elmorte : no man
[2016-02-19 18:34:17] rapidtrades : how many hrs per day u trade fellas?
[2016-02-19 18:34:34] elmorte : insult? thats for kids
[2016-02-19 18:34:47] habibi : proper question is how many hours per sleeping hours:P
[2016-02-19 18:35:39] djuan : go to work as a roofer. and come home to trade around 6-7 hrs a day. but not constantly.
[2016-02-19 18:36:16] djuan : as in ill take a break for a month and come back when i hear positive chatter about price
[2016-02-19 18:36:54] rapidtrades : dam roofer...have u fallen down?
[2016-02-19 18:37:02] djuan : do you guys trade for yourselves or for companies?
[2016-02-19 18:37:09] djuan : nope
[2016-02-19 18:37:17] habibi : micmix is company trader as far i know
[2016-02-19 18:37:28] elmorte : djuan: so whats in the grapewine lately?
[2016-02-19 18:37:34] sleger : habibi: no he is a dev
[2016-02-19 18:37:37] rapidtrades : yeah micmix is only Goldman playa round here
[2016-02-19 18:37:42] djuan : pump immanent
[2016-02-19 18:37:52] elmorte : myself
[2016-02-19 18:39:27] dvsdude : here is a stupid question.....if my entry price is different now cause of the CashRebalance what happens when I make anouther trade ......which entry price gets ajusted?
[2016-02-19 18:40:01] rapidtrades : FFS
[2016-02-19 18:40:06] rapidtrades : NOTHING'S CHANGED
[2016-02-19 18:40:21] rapidtrades : if u made profit u can withdraw it...that'sit
[2016-02-19 18:40:40] rapidtrades : if u didn't mean to withdraw, it doen't mean shit
[2016-02-19 18:40:46] habibi : sleger: so he trade for himself only? rapidtrades he said its possible stupid question, dont be mad
[2016-02-19 18:40:49] rapidtrades : ur entry price is not changed
[2016-02-19 18:41:23] justinlooking : djuan: bullish af
[2016-02-19 18:41:42] djuan : cautiously
[2016-02-19 18:41:43] rapidtrades : where u seeing bullishness? we're at daily lows
[2016-02-19 18:41:44] dvsdude : ok ok i'll stop asking you
[2016-02-19 18:41:56] elmorte : habibi: he has a very convicting way of explaining it
[2016-02-19 18:42:05] djuan : dvsdude: you're allowed to ask questions
[2016-02-19 18:42:38] rapidtrades : he can ask one question, one time
[2016-02-19 18:42:54] rapidtrades : what he CAN NOT is ask the same question, three times in a row
[2016-02-19 18:42:55] dvsdude : no thanks
[2016-02-19 18:43:02] dvsdude : fuck it
[2016-02-19 18:43:24] djuan : rapidtrades: he can if he doesn't understand
[2016-02-19 18:43:41] justinlooking : dvd
[2016-02-19 18:43:49] dvsdude : I figure it out myself
[2016-02-19 18:43:58] djuan : dvsdude: you new to trading?
[2016-02-19 18:44:57] dvsdude : what you think
[2016-02-19 18:45:37] djuan : i don't think anything. i only asked
[2016-02-19 18:45:54] elmorte : nobody's new to trading
[2016-02-19 18:46:02] dvsdude : your the smart ones why dont you tell me
[2016-02-19 18:46:39] djuan : are you new to trading on bitmex?
[2016-02-19 18:46:51] elmorte : new to platform, newnto a product maybe
[2016-02-19 18:47:39] dvsdude : I refuse to answer on the grounds it may incriminate me
[2016-02-19 18:47:59] zanza : how come user count is almost double normal amount?
[2016-02-19 18:48:19] djuan : dvsdude: i don't claim to be psychic, nor do i care to guess. I don't really want to know that badly.
[2016-02-19 18:48:50] elmorte : it's the FBI @zanza
[2016-02-19 18:49:08] dvsdude : really good then
[2016-02-19 18:49:11] sleger : dvsdude: only rapidtrades here can plead the fifth
[2016-02-19 18:49:12] elmorte : thats y dvd is so careful
[2016-02-19 18:49:43] elmorte : a fifth of vodka?
[2016-02-19 18:50:06] djuan : wow. this conversation turned into an unexpected direction. rapidntrades sorry i intervened
[2016-02-19 18:51:40] elmorte : it's quantum trollbox - to place expectations on it is to...
[2016-02-19 18:51:47] dvsdude : djuan: sorry I'll just move on ....thanks anyway
[2016-02-19 18:52:17] elmorte : dvsdude: Oscar for playing a victim
[2016-02-19 18:53:10] dvsdude : dont care much for ppl that talk down to ya
[2016-02-19 18:53:28] elmorte : but only if you white
[2016-02-19 18:54:00] djuan : dvsdude: no worries mate. all the best.
[2016-02-19 18:54:31] elmorte : its an online forum...you gots to have thick skin
[2016-02-19 18:54:43] dvsdude : all the best to you to...l8ter
[2016-02-19 18:55:12] djuan : dvsdude: are you a minor?
[2016-02-19 18:55:26] djuan : 18 19? maybe
[2016-02-19 18:57:17] elmorte : _silent treatment is the worst_
[2016-02-19 18:57:56] djuan : elmorte: hes busted
[2016-02-19 18:58:55] elmorte : you reckon? think he was just overwhelmed
[2016-02-19 18:59:35] djuan : he is definitely young. all the more reason to help him out a bit. he's just trying to find his feet
[2016-02-19 19:00:56] elmorte : he won't accept help though, no?
[2016-02-19 19:01:34] elmorte : you gotta pay your dues
[2016-02-19 19:02:06] elmorte : not like we're hazing him or smthg
[2016-02-19 19:02:45] elmorte : but dvds are obsolete tech...
[2016-02-19 19:03:12] djuan : he might accept help if he stops pretending to be more experienced than he is. and he is ok to say "i don't know"
[2016-02-19 19:03:32] elmorte : djuan: fair enough
[2016-02-19 19:06:04] djuan : I'm loving these large orders. it smells like pump o clock
[2016-02-19 19:06:22] djuan : or doom o clock
[2016-02-19 19:06:59] elmorte : 7ks?
[2016-02-19 19:07:22] djuan : yeah last night was 1ks
[2016-02-19 19:07:28] djuan : 700s
[2016-02-19 19:07:48] djuan : this is starting to feel exciting
[2016-02-19 19:08:46] elmorte : yeah...too bad i really don't which way the wind's gonna blow
[2016-02-19 19:09:04] djuan : 24 h volume last night was only 118 btc today its nearly 4k
[2016-02-19 19:09:40] djuan : maybe a little doom before a pump. maybe a pump straight away
[2016-02-19 19:09:47] elmorte : djuan: you're in the asian hemisphere as well?
[2016-02-19 19:09:54] djuan : nope
[2016-02-19 19:10:24] elmorte : how is it a night then?
[2016-02-19 19:10:47] djuan : because the earth has rotated away from the sun lol
[2016-02-19 19:11:03] djuan : from my vantage point
[2016-02-19 19:11:11] Tulip_stefan : it's night in europe. It's 20:10 in my timezone. That's night. Right?
[2016-02-19 19:11:11] djuan : UK
[2016-02-19 19:11:32] djuan : its 19:11
[2016-02-19 19:11:44] djuan : yep @Tulip_stefan
[2016-02-19 19:12:30] djuan : why is everyone so shady about where they're from?
[2016-02-19 19:12:49] Tulip_stefan : perhaps because they don't allow us traders here.
[2016-02-19 19:13:31] djuan : I see
[2016-02-19 19:14:06] djuan : do they allow UK traders? I fucking hope so cos i just let the cat out the bag
[2016-02-19 19:14:35] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: UK is OK
[2016-02-19 19:14:47] djuan : phew
[2016-02-19 19:15:46] djuan : elmorte: don't tell me where you're from. i don't want to get you barred
[2016-02-19 19:16:10] elmorte : Nah, everyone was pretty open about it the other day
[2016-02-19 19:16:37] elmorte : Like I'm in Malaysia, there was another dude here..laisee I think same place
[2016-02-19 19:16:42] djuan : is it all of the US or just some places?
[2016-02-19 19:16:44] elmorte : Wally & Arthur are in HK
[2016-02-19 19:17:05] elmorte : Sam I think is still US based, correct me if I'm wrong
[2016-02-19 19:17:50] djuan : so that means sam can't trade
[2016-02-19 19:18:04] elmorte : rapidtrades is doing an anger mgmt course somewhere around...wherever
[2016-02-19 19:18:12] elmorte : Sam is the dev backbone
[2016-02-19 19:18:24] elmorte : He don't fucntion- we don't fucntion
[2016-02-19 19:18:50] djuan : i gathered
[2016-02-19 19:19:38] djuan : elmorte: what do you do?
[2016-02-19 19:19:41] elmorte : So....djuan...you got latino roots or really like the mustard?
[2016-02-19 19:19:57] djuan : huh?
[2016-02-19 19:20:08] elmorte : Dijon....
[2016-02-19 19:20:18] djuan : oh right, the name
[2016-02-19 19:20:37] djuan : no i got european roots
[2016-02-19 19:20:52] djuan : irish somewhere too
[2016-02-19 19:21:27] elmorte : I'm a sourcing agent for a bunch of congolmerates in my part of Europe. Most of their imports from China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand go thru our company
[2016-02-19 19:21:32] elmorte : My dad and me
[2016-02-19 19:21:58] djuan : actually my mother took the spanish name Juan and put a D infant of it to be different
[2016-02-19 19:22:01] elmorte : Married to a gorgeous Malay girl and we have a 15m old baby girls
[2016-02-19 19:22:16] elmorte : girl*
[2016-02-19 19:22:38] djuan : cool
[2016-02-19 19:23:02] elmorte : And I started by buying on LBTC and selling on Paypal....counting my lucky stars still
[2016-02-19 19:23:25] elmorte : Then I found out about exchanges....and then derivative exchanges...so here I am
[2016-02-19 19:24:20] djuan : yeah bitmex suits me down to the ground. I don't want anything to do with FIAT
[2016-02-19 19:24:21] elmorte : Care to share more about yourself @djuan ?
[2016-02-19 19:25:01] elmorte : Yeah, I got into the game pretty late....only own like 40ish BTC
[2016-02-19 19:25:58] djuan : I'm just a roofer who found out about cryptocurrency through max keizer. i bout his coin. it grew over three times the value and i flipped it for BTC
[2016-02-19 19:26:26] elmorte : Btw, my typing didn't get more coherent coz I ran out of wine...just that I brought the keyboard out to the balconu
[2016-02-19 19:26:31] elmorte : *y
[2016-02-19 19:26:49] djuan : ever since then i was hooked to the idea of trading.
[2016-02-19 19:27:18] djuan : wine hey?
[2016-02-19 19:27:38] elmorte : yeah, Chilean chardonay
[2016-02-19 19:27:44] djuan : i think ill go to the shop for some tequila
[2016-02-19 19:28:05] elmorte : It's 330 here, and I have to be up in 5 hrs
[2016-02-19 19:28:26] djuan : 330 am?
[2016-02-19 19:28:30] elmorte : Take my dad for a check-up at a hospital and my little brother for BJJ
[2016-02-19 19:28:33] djuan : dude go to sleep
[2016-02-19 19:28:35] elmorte : Yup
[2016-02-19 19:29:01] elmorte : Well you see...I took xanax and stillnox 2 hrs ago....
[2016-02-19 19:29:13] elmorte : Just waiting for it to kick in
[2016-02-19 19:29:35] djuan : you an insomniac?
[2016-02-19 19:29:42] elmorte : Yes :(
[2016-02-19 19:30:12] elmorte : Aaand I enjoy talking to people in this line of .....work?
[2016-02-19 19:30:40] elmorte : And it's Friday man...
[2016-02-19 19:30:46] djuan : and you also enjoy being awake?
[2016-02-19 19:31:02] elmorte : Had a really tough week with China being back from CNY
[2016-02-19 19:31:13] elmorte : No, I prefer sleeping
[2016-02-19 19:31:41] elmorte : tough workload wise...
[2016-02-19 19:31:55] djuan : have you ever listened to this song? one sec...
[2016-02-19 19:32:37] djuan : https://youtu.be/VKI92De-t4U
[2016-02-19 19:33:26] djuan : its the most relaxing song in the world. literally. scientists have dubbed it that and explained why
[2016-02-19 19:33:39] elmorte : Listening now...
[2016-02-19 19:33:56] elmorte : The OPs name means purplish calf
[2016-02-19 19:34:18] djuan : no you must only listen to it if you plan to relax. as in do nothing but full attention to relaxing
[2016-02-19 19:34:42] djuan : otherwise it just sounds boring
[2016-02-19 19:35:34] elmorte : You got me yawning....
[2016-02-19 19:36:38] djuan : its 8 mins on purpose. and the beat is on purpose. and just the whole thing is on purpose for your brain to chill and your heart rhythm to slow down
[2016-02-19 19:37:30] djuan : do you meditate?
[2016-02-19 19:39:08] elmorte : No, it's something that I feel is necessary though, not to go insane
[2016-02-19 19:40:10] elmorte : I do martial arts....and yoga for recovery so that would probably be the closest thing to it
[2016-02-19 19:41:52] djuan : meditation is good for many things. its probably an integral part to martial arts no?
[2016-02-19 19:42:15] djuan : you learn the tao?
[2016-02-19 19:43:48] elmorte : No, I'd be doing it disrespect if I said I have
[2016-02-19 19:44:16] rapidtrades : dam I may have bought the low today
[2016-02-19 19:44:49] djuan : fair enough. I got very interested in eastern philosophy a while ago.
[2016-02-19 19:45:25] djuan : but this is probably not the right convo for the troll box
[2016-02-19 19:45:46] thehawthorne : why not
[2016-02-19 19:45:48] thehawthorne : we dumb
[2016-02-19 19:45:50] thehawthorne : ?
[2016-02-19 19:45:53] djuan : rapidtrades: i did too
[2016-02-19 19:45:54] thehawthorne : HUEHUEHUE
[2016-02-19 19:46:32] elmorte : thehawthorne: lol
[2016-02-19 19:46:59] djuan : thehawthorne: no. this is an exchange. we are here to do financial stuff
[2016-02-19 19:47:10] djuan : time and place and all that
[2016-02-19 19:47:46] thehawthorne : THIS is an exchange and you write at the TROLLBOX - don't mess around those 2
[2016-02-19 19:48:10] thehawthorne : you can do any stuff here
[2016-02-19 19:48:39] elmorte : Neither of you are wrong....but exhange can be an exhancge of ideas
[2016-02-19 19:49:38] djuan : I'm just being respectful to those who may not care for this stuff
[2016-02-19 19:49:43] thehawthorne : ask raptra (-9*_*)-9 <(*_*)> 6-(*_*6-)
[2016-02-19 19:49:50] elmorte : I wonder how Arthur, Wally and Sam look at our convos sometiies (if they do).....
[2016-02-19 19:50:08] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: We always read everything
[2016-02-19 19:50:22] elmorte : Yes Big Brother :)
[2016-02-19 19:50:31] thehawthorne : they don't. they take fees and and stuff and go to strip club every day
[2016-02-19 19:50:52] thehawthorne : and some poorly paid individual uses their chat names making you believe its them
[2016-02-19 19:50:57] elmorte : HK strip clubs not worth the money
[2016-02-19 19:52:07] thehawthorne : enough money brings a worthy strip club at your house to existence, besides i don't believe you know the VIP HK BITCOINMILLIONAIR Stripclubs
[2016-02-19 19:52:38] elmorte : Tell me moer
[2016-02-19 19:52:40] thehawthorne : only sweden girls there holla at you
[2016-02-19 19:53:03] thehawthorne : the 3 b club: BJ, BOOBS, BITCOIN
[2016-02-19 19:53:07] elmorte : Wait...the petite kind or the lumberjack kind?
[2016-02-19 19:53:26] thehawthorne : both, even mixed if you like
[2016-02-19 19:53:49] thehawthorne : strong hands and bigfoot fett, tiny nose and skinny legs
[2016-02-19 19:53:54] justinlooking : has the new guy that flashed the 500k offer been back since?
[2016-02-19 19:53:54] thehawthorne : feet
[2016-02-19 19:53:56] djuan : its only us three rapid and sam here anyway
[2016-02-19 19:53:56] elmorte : Well....I'm a grappler and I always relish a challenge
[2016-02-19 19:54:37] elmorte : djuan: you're right homes, I should go sleep
[2016-02-19 19:55:08] djuan : elmorte: goodnight
[2016-02-19 19:55:34] elmorte : Peace V
[2016-02-19 19:56:01] djuan : respect
[2016-02-19 19:56:20] djuan : ✌️
[2016-02-19 20:00:44] djuan : sam
[2016-02-19 20:05:05] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Yeah?
[2016-02-19 20:06:17] djuan : just testing. Ive got to say i find it a little disconcerting to know you're always watching
[2016-02-19 20:07:12] BitMEX_Sam : Hahaha I just check it often.
[2016-02-19 20:07:35] grimm : love the new interface, btw. Thanks for the update.
[2016-02-19 20:07:40] BitMEX_Sam : grimm: :+1:
[2016-02-19 20:07:59] djuan : probably no more than i do actually
[2016-02-19 20:08:36] djuan : rapidtrades: grimm LOOOOVES the new UI
[2016-02-19 20:11:03] djuan : BitMEX_Sam: can the colour of my name be changed at all? I hate purple
[2016-02-19 20:11:17] thehawthorne : no
[2016-02-19 20:11:19] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. It's completely randomized using your username as a seed
[2016-02-19 20:11:25] thehawthorne : those are mood colors
[2016-02-19 20:11:25] BitMEX_Sam : So the only way to change it is to change your username.
[2016-02-19 20:11:36] BitMEX_Sam : Revel in its uniqueness, I suppose.
[2016-02-19 20:11:38] djuan : ok can i change it?
[2016-02-19 20:11:46] BitMEX_Sam : For whatever reason it seems it skews green.
[2016-02-19 20:11:54] BitMEX_Sam : I can change it if you like
[2016-02-19 20:12:01] djuan : please
[2016-02-19 20:12:08] thehawthorne : change rapidtrades to raptra
[2016-02-19 20:12:20] BitMEX_Sam : New name?
[2016-02-19 20:12:29] djuan : thinking...
[2016-02-19 20:12:46] djuan : BTCDJS
[2016-02-19 20:13:14] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-02-19 20:13:22] BTCDJS : thanks bud
[2016-02-19 20:13:34] tscha : Good guy sam being too nice... 100 name change requests incoming
[2016-02-19 20:13:36] BTCDJS : i was hoping for blue
[2016-02-19 20:13:40] BitMEX_Sam : Got lucky
[2016-02-19 20:13:47] BitMEX_Sam : The RNG looked fondly on you today
[2016-02-19 20:13:59] BTCDJS : i am so happy
[2016-02-19 20:14:07] BTCDJS : its such a simple thing
[2016-02-19 20:14:17] BTCDJS : but its made my day
[2016-02-19 20:15:09] BitMEX_Sam : :tada:
[2016-02-19 20:18:18] justinlooking : '/me pokes tscha
[2016-02-19 20:24:26] rapidtrades : test
[2016-02-19 20:26:45] odieoh : Always remember your new name
[2016-02-19 20:26:58] thehawthorne : LOL
[2016-02-19 20:27:01] odieoh : You'll need it if you go to Mormon heaven
[2016-02-19 20:33:38] BTCDJS : odieoh: i take it you are mormon then?
[2016-02-19 20:45:40] BTCDJS : rapidtrades:https://twitter.com/TowerPips/status/700767472262193152
[2016-02-19 20:46:08] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-19 21:09:41] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: Hi Sam! Not sure if you saw my bug reports in chat last night.
[2016-02-19 21:12:20] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: May have missed it, anything still affecting you?
[2016-02-19 21:14:03] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: just a couple of UI issues. pin the top bar so it stays on top when you scroll, then scroll down the page 100 pixels or so. the top bar blocks the order type selection dropdown
[2016-02-19 21:14:14] BitMEX_Sam : Ah - Yes, I've seen that
[2016-02-19 21:14:17] BitMEX_Sam : I'll push a fix shortly for it
[2016-02-19 21:14:53] micmix : and replace BVOL with A50 in the top bar while you are at it plz :-)
[2016-02-19 21:16:17] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-02-19 21:19:55] micmix : just noticed that entry price changes to rebalance price on hover, nice! thanks @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-02-19 21:20:10] BitMEX_Sam : Just added that :)
[2016-02-19 21:22:39] micmix : I assume resizable/movable panels are coming soon?
[2016-02-19 21:23:49] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-02-19 21:33:26] BitMEX_Sam : They are, not that soon but coming
[2016-02-19 21:33:42] BitMEX_Sam : Prioritizing new order types & order amending first
[2016-02-19 21:34:59] rapidtrades : didn't u say that the orders panel wont be moveable? only left/right?
[2016-02-19 21:35:04] rapidtrades : or was that wally
[2016-02-19 21:37:45] BitMEX_Sam : That was me - was saying that it is unlikely that it will be
[2016-02-19 21:37:58] BitMEX_Sam : But we'll see
[2016-02-19 21:38:13] BitMEX_Sam : Essentially I need to implement moving widgets from one grid to another, which is non-trivial
[2016-02-19 21:39:32] micmix : I have couple of ideas for advanced view, mostly space optimization if you're interested
[2016-02-19 21:41:01] BTCDJS : why am i getting the feeling price is going to make a U turn here? ?
[2016-02-19 21:41:19] micmix : if movable panels are not coming soon, is it possible to move minimized widgets to the bottom? right now they are wasting space in the middle even when minimized.
[2016-02-19 21:42:02] BitMEX_Sam : Issue is, even if they were moved, it wouldn't be possible to compact the remaining ones
[2016-02-19 21:42:09] BitMEX_Sam : Without implementing a fully movable grid
[2016-02-19 21:42:14] BitMEX_Sam : Which is the endgame for this anyway.
[2016-02-19 21:42:33] micmix : yeah, I understand, doesn't make sense without movable grid
[2016-02-19 21:42:37] BitMEX_Sam : Aka, you minimize the chart, what goes in its place? Without being able to move & resize widgets at will there's no answer
[2016-02-19 21:42:41] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah.
[2016-02-19 21:44:47] micmix : ok, will wait for movable grid. Knowing Sam not coming soon probably means coming in a week or two :-)
[2016-02-19 21:44:58] BitMEX_Sam : :beers:
[2016-02-19 21:48:52] micmix : IMHO instrument selection panel for the advanced view could be much smaller. We already know that H16 means March expiry and we know the leverage for all contracts. you could get away with simple dropdowns or move navigation to the top bar altogether to save some vertical space.
[2016-02-19 21:50:01] BTCDJS : come on bulls
[2016-02-19 21:51:07] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, I've shrunk it quite a bit already - issue is of course responsive breakpoints et al
[2016-02-19 21:51:36] micmix : also with movable grid would be nice to have order controls inside a movable panel as well. don't know how much work it's going to be though. I had order control minimized in the old UI most of the time.
[2016-02-19 21:52:13] micmix : yeah, responsive design is tough
[2016-02-19 22:00:58] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah I agree that it would be nice - my dream layout would be two grids, a sidebar & main layout, and you could move widgets between them
[2016-02-19 22:05:00] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: yeah, that sounds great. I would make sidebar minimizable as well so ppl could hide it if they are not using it
[2016-02-19 22:13:10] BTCDJS : who is about?
[2016-02-19 22:17:26] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: say i want to place a long order. but i don't want it executed until the price rises to it. which order do i use? stop order?
[2016-02-19 22:17:54] BitMEX_Sam : So you intentionally want to go long at a higher price than the market is at now?
[2016-02-19 22:18:27] thehawthorne : thats wierd
[2016-02-19 22:18:33] thehawthorne : but you could do it by stop order
[2016-02-19 22:18:36] thehawthorne : ei
[2016-02-19 22:18:49] BitMEX_Sam : I'm trying to understand the use case
[2016-02-19 22:18:50] habibi : BTCDJS: u need to tell us the price and qty of order
[2016-02-19 22:18:55] habibi : we can do it for u
[2016-02-19 22:18:58] tscha : @sam you should implement inverse limit order, chewing through the orderbook from behind
[2016-02-19 22:19:02] habibi : if qty will be fair enough
[2016-02-19 22:20:35] thehawthorne : maybe he does only believe price will rise if we break certain lvl and he will get in if we do so
[2016-02-19 22:20:42] BTCDJS : say i anticipate that if price breaks above a certain amount then market will be bullish. and i want to make sure my order gets filled in time type of thing.
[2016-02-19 22:20:53] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: yes
[2016-02-19 22:20:57] thehawthorne : stop that
[2016-02-19 22:21:12] habibi : many of these orders- short squeze without shorts :D
[2016-02-19 22:21:17] habibi : type of *
[2016-02-19 22:21:32] Tulip_stefan : testing new colors....
[2016-02-19 22:21:37] thehawthorne : either you have a clue of price action than take your position or wait for market to move and get in
[2016-02-19 22:21:37] Tulip_stefan : still green.
[2016-02-19 22:21:55] thehawthorne : fuck certain lvls
[2016-02-19 22:23:25] BTCDJS : fair enough but i figure its less risky because if price doesn't break a certain level then my order never gets filled and I'm safe
[2016-02-19 22:23:58] thehawthorne : less risky are small amounts and a trade plan with stops
[2016-02-19 22:24:59] BTCDJS : but this could be another way of managing risk no?
[2016-02-19 22:25:11] thehawthorne : don't over leverage and don't just put orders because "you have a feeling" and some random guy on whale club / tradview {insert others} post some great flashy all rainbow colors chart
[2016-02-19 22:25:28] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-19 22:26:04] thehawthorne : inform yourself, get an idea of what you are doing and remember its your own money you are playing with
[2016-02-19 22:26:48] thehawthorne : in fact, if you buy when price rises and sell if it drops you are more likely to buy near the top and sell near the bottom
[2016-02-19 22:27:07] thehawthorne : which i hope you agree should not be your approval
[2016-02-19 22:27:21] BTCDJS : yes
[2016-02-19 22:27:25] thehawthorne : and besides: not having a position at certain times is a position in itself.
[2016-02-19 22:27:39] BTCDJS : deep
[2016-02-19 22:29:10] thehawthorne : but try your strategy, rules are made to be broken
[2016-02-19 22:29:18] thehawthorne : but don't risk money on it
[2016-02-19 22:29:21] thehawthorne : imho
[2016-02-19 22:29:32] thehawthorne : testnet is great for such kind of things
[2016-02-19 22:29:36] Tulip_stefan : Sounds like a horrible strategy imo.
[2016-02-19 22:29:58] thehawthorne : yea indeed but maybe he needs to see it by himself
[2016-02-19 22:30:26] BTCDJS : what is the strategy you are talking about? i was only asking to see if its possible
[2016-02-19 22:30:46] Tulip_stefan : buying when the price rises to X.
[2016-02-19 22:30:50] thehawthorne : your strategy of buying when price reaches certain levels
[2016-02-19 22:31:00] thehawthorne : buy low - all high
[2016-02-19 22:31:05] thehawthorne : thats the only working strategy
[2016-02-19 22:31:08] thehawthorne : sell
[2016-02-19 22:31:10] thehawthorne : not all
[2016-02-19 22:31:18] thehawthorne : autocorrect sucks sometimes
[2016-02-19 22:32:03] BTCDJS : ok. but i can't do it anyway. was just pondering to find out if people do this sort of thing actually? I'm still new to this
[2016-02-19 22:32:37] thehawthorne : sure people do, thats why others gain and they lose money
[2016-02-19 22:32:58] BTCDJS : ?
[2016-02-19 22:33:33] Tulip_stefan : well you could use the api.
[2016-02-19 22:34:18] Tulip_stefan : could be done in a few lines python i think.
[2016-02-19 22:35:29] thehawthorne : print "Hello, World!"
[2016-02-19 22:35:45] Tulip_stefan : get price from xbx or bitstamp, check, set order if conditions are met. Being a botter myself, sounds like something that doesn't beat the statistics.
[2016-02-19 22:36:18] BTCDJS : i wouldn't know what to do with an api
[2016-02-19 22:36:25] BitMEX_Sam : Our sample python project gets you started
[2016-02-19 22:36:32] BitMEX_Sam : https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker
[2016-02-19 22:38:08] thehawthorne : are there any valid sources for a solid python tutorial in general in www
[2016-02-19 22:38:23] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: the reason i thought price was going to make a U turn was because of the candles on trading view. i didn't just have "a feeling"
[2016-02-19 22:38:43] Tulip_stefan : it isn't all that hard, took me a few days to write a bot from scratch 2 years ago, but i had prior programming experience. Creating a strategy that's profitable is the bigger hurdle, count on a few hundred hours of research if lucky.
[2016-02-19 22:38:56] BitMEX_Sam : That's still a feeling tbh. Past performance doesn't predict the future
[2016-02-19 22:39:10] thehawthorne : yep
[2016-02-19 22:39:24] thehawthorne : thats the point why technical analysis won't lead to victory
[2016-02-19 22:39:26] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: ok i will certainly look into it
[2016-02-19 22:39:37] BitMEX_Sam : It's a long long journey
[2016-02-19 22:39:43] BitMEX_Sam : If you do decide to play around with it, trade on testnet
[2016-02-19 22:39:50] thehawthorne : it may help but don't rely your trades solely on that
[2016-02-19 22:41:28] thehawthorne : BTCDJS: http://www.cabafx.com/trading-ebooks-collection/newpdf/
[2016-02-19 22:42:26] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: thanks I'm bookmarking that now
[2016-02-19 22:43:05] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: what the flaming heck is testate anyway? do i put real bitcoin on it?
[2016-02-19 22:43:21] BitMEX_Sam : Nope, Bitcoin itself has a Testnet for testing development
[2016-02-19 22:43:27] BitMEX_Sam : So we use that Testnet for a clone of BitMEX
[2016-02-19 22:43:35] BitMEX_Sam : Testnet Bitcoins are valueless so they are often given away
[2016-02-19 22:43:46] BitMEX_Sam : So if you make an account on our Testnet, you can deposit coins from one of the faucets and trade for free
[2016-02-19 22:43:57] BitMEX_Sam : Of course, what you make isn't worth real money - but it's great for testing bots without risking your skin
[2016-02-19 22:44:46] Tulip_stefan : i don't always test my bots. But when i do, i do it in production.
[2016-02-19 22:45:00] BTCDJS : I see. so can i just put testate bitcoin in a bitcoin wallet? won't it get mixed up with real bitcoin?
[2016-02-19 22:45:17] BTCDJS : testnet ffs
[2016-02-19 22:45:39] Tulip_stefan : No. It's a dfferent blockchain.
[2016-02-19 22:45:42] tscha : I also test in production :D
[2016-02-19 22:45:54] tscha : fixing bugs in production: http://i.imgur.com/vWkPc1m.gifv
[2016-02-19 22:46:06] BitMEX_Sam : The old Gox way
[2016-02-19 22:46:16] BTCDJS : so @Tulip_stefan i need a testnet wallet?
[2016-02-19 22:46:29] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: You don't, because you can send Testnet coins directly to your BitMEX account
[2016-02-19 22:46:36] BitMEX_Sam : No need to run a wallet
[2016-02-19 22:46:47] BTCDJS : right
[2016-02-19 22:46:49] BitMEX_Sam : We have a few links on the deposit page to faucets that are particularly generous
[2016-02-19 22:47:24] BitMEX_Sam : Testnet difficulty is all kinds of screwed up (i've seen 3-4 blocks a minute at times) so there's plenty of new coins to go around
[2016-02-19 22:48:08] BTCDJS : ok but first i need to learn some code
[2016-02-19 22:49:23] BTCDJS : the most coding I've done is setting up get through the terminal on my mac
[2016-02-19 22:50:10] BTCDJS : and creating new wallet addresses on my ether wallet before mist
[2016-02-19 22:51:22] Tulip_stefan : Don't focus too much on 'learning' to code. Just try archive something you want with a lot of googling, it's more effective than following a tutorial imo.
[2016-02-19 22:52:39] BTCDJS : ok
[2016-02-19 22:53:14] tscha : this is how I learned to code: https://i.imgur.com/wOsEq7N.png
[2016-02-19 22:53:58] BTCDJS : lol
[2016-02-19 22:54:49] Tulip_stefan : I learned to code by bruteforcing my way though TI-basic without a manual...
[2016-02-19 22:55:17] tscha : BTCDJS: seriously though. just try to do something and if you are stuck somewhere, google
[2016-02-19 22:59:20] BTCDJS : whoa. i don't even know where to start. ill have to give it my full attention after bitcoin pump
[2016-02-19 23:06:56] BTCDJS : thehawthorne: lets say you're trading a long position. If you see market is turning bearish, do you close your long position by placing a larger sell order and switch straight into a short. or do you press close market and wait for another entry point to a long position?
[2016-02-19 23:07:42] Tulip_stefan : you either see a long position or you don't.
[2016-02-19 23:08:55] Tulip_stefan : if you merely close your long rather than entering a short, i would say that you aren't very sure of that bearish move.
[2016-02-19 23:11:10] BTCDJS : i see. is anybody ever sure?
[2016-02-19 23:11:20] BTCDJS : are you always sure?
[2016-02-19 23:12:04] BTCDJS : doesn't it fall under managing risk
[2016-02-19 23:12:29] BTCDJS : or is this the way experienced traders do it
[2016-02-19 23:13:44] Tulip_stefan : I only trade on statistics. The terms bearish and bullish are complete bullshit imo. The market is a random walk for most purposes.
[2016-02-19 23:14:39] BTCDJS : interesting. how can i learn to trade with statistics?
[2016-02-19 23:14:54] Tulip_stefan : you're on your own :P
[2016-02-19 23:18:06] BTCDJS : I'm beginning to get the feeling that nobody really 'knows' anything. everybody is gambling. they think they know something. but they really don't. they are just very good at gambling carefully.
[2016-02-19 23:18:20] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: wouldn't you agree?
[2016-02-19 23:18:46] Tulip_stefan : That's my view on the market. Yeah.
[2016-02-19 23:19:20] BTCDJS : yeah thats what i thought.
[2016-02-19 23:19:36] BTCDJS : or rather came to the conclusion to.
[2016-02-19 23:20:29] Tulip_stefan : Yesterday there was a guy that asked whether sleeping with an open position was gambling. Which i responsed yes. But the reality is that if you trade doesn't turn a profit 10 seconds after it's opening, it's already gambling.
[2016-02-19 23:20:34] BitMEX_Sam : It's mostly emotion, especially in Bitcoin
[2016-02-19 23:20:45] Tulip_stefan : i'm sure that there are traders that disagree, but that's my view.
[2016-02-19 23:21:50] BTCDJS : i was joking about that btw.
[2016-02-19 23:24:43] BitMEX_Sam : It's not really a joke - there are plenty of reasonable strategies for arbing contracts with different expiries against each other, or cash & carry, etc.
[2016-02-19 23:25:05] BitMEX_Sam : But predicting the price of a particular asset for a particular point in time is mostly a wash, even if you're keeping up with current events
[2016-02-19 23:26:53] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: I'm actually getting a lot better with the emotionality. the difference between when i first started to now is noticeable when i observe myself. I had to learn how to deal with losing money. not to be attached to it. not to think about what id get in the end but rather staying present and thinking strategically and making sure i actually am buying as low as i can. But sometimes i still get carried away. but i feel myself maturing into what I've described more and more i do it.
[2016-02-19 23:27:15] BTCDJS : i was joking about going to sleep with an open order
[2016-02-19 23:27:25] Tulip_stefan : i spent waaaaaay to many time on market prediction. Hundreds of hours. Results so far: nothing.
[2016-02-19 23:29:21] BTCDJS : Tulip_stefan: how do you know when to buy or sell?
[2016-02-19 23:30:39] Tulip_stefan : my bots buy for me.
[2016-02-19 23:31:26] Tulip_stefan : how that works.. ehh.. took a lot of research, i'll keep it secret until it's no longer working.
[2016-02-19 23:35:32] BTCDJS : i like trading. its teaching me about myself. i think yourself is what gets you in hot water.
[2016-02-19 23:36:32] tscha : IMHO every market can be predicted theoretically, the question is just if we are able to construct capable models
[2016-02-19 23:36:44] Tulip_stefan : It's simply a hobby for me, albeit a profitable one. i'd stop tomorrow if i didn't think it was fun anymore.
[2016-02-19 23:38:01] BTCDJS : tscha: i think only the best computer ever constructed on earth can successfully overcome the market.
[2016-02-19 23:38:29] BTCDJS : The human brain. but the ego needs to step out of the way.
[2016-02-19 23:38:35] Tulip_stefan : you don't need more than a raspberry pi to overcome the market.
[2016-02-19 23:40:34] BTCDJS : good talk guys its been enlightening
[2016-02-19 23:43:30] BTCDJS : we are going to break out
[2016-02-19 23:45:34] Tulip_stefan : yeah i'm sure. Question is when. And in what direction.
[2016-02-19 23:45:50] BTCDJS : up right now dude
[2016-02-19 23:46:02] BTCDJS : its moving fast
[2016-02-19 23:46:34] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: I get disconnect from your websocket very often today
[2016-02-19 23:46:43] tscha : anybody else experiencing problems?
[2016-02-19 23:48:27] Tulip_stefan : website disconnects a few times a day. Bot isn't up yet so i wouldn't know.
[2016-02-19 23:48:39] Tulip_stefan : my bot gracefully reconnects anyway.
[2016-02-19 23:49:28] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: I don't believe we did any API deployments today
[2016-02-19 23:49:34] BitMEX_Sam : When was the last disconnect?
[2016-02-19 23:49:59] tscha : 23:44:18 UTC
[2016-02-19 23:50:14] BitMEX_Sam : 6min ago?
[2016-02-19 23:50:18] tscha : yes
[2016-02-19 23:50:30] BitMEX_Sam : Okay. Let me look through our logs to see if it was on our end
[2016-02-19 23:50:31] tscha : its continously, the whole day
[2016-02-19 23:51:00] tscha : sometimes after 5 min, sometimes after 40 min
[2016-02-19 23:51:43] BitMEX_Sam : Do you have a VPS in eu-west-1 or elsewhere?
[2016-02-19 23:51:56] tscha : yes
[2016-02-19 23:52:20] tscha : eu-west-1a
[2016-02-19 23:53:09] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Mind trying 1c and seeing if the problem persists?
[2016-02-19 23:53:40] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: I can do that tomorrow, yes
[2016-02-19 23:53:52] tscha : for now, it just reconnects automatically so it's not the end of the world, still unusual
[2016-02-19 23:54:14] BitMEX_Sam : Great - I haven't seen any indication of disconnects here, and I usually keep a WS session open when I'm developing for market data
[2016-02-19 23:54:17] BitMEX_Sam : Has been stable
[2016-02-19 23:54:43] tscha : been running it there since months and I never had issue with the websocket, so I was wondering if it maybe has to do with the user increase
[2016-02-19 23:54:45] BitMEX_Sam : So I would assume you're either hitting a bug, or the inter-AZ connection is rocky for some odd reason
[2016-02-19 23:55:06] BitMEX_Sam : I've also had AWS instances that just go to hell... imaging and rebuilding generally fixes
[2016-02-19 23:55:12] BitMEX_Sam : But I'm not sure that's the problem yet.
[2016-02-19 23:55:21] BitMEX_Sam : Making a new instance in 1c will at least isolate that issue.
[2016-02-19 23:55:34] tscha : i'll find out tomorrow, thanks meanwhile
[2016-02-20 00:03:04] BTCDJS : here we go
[2016-02-20 00:03:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 150 @ 421.01
[2016-02-20 00:05:34] BTCDJS : BitMEX_Sam: is it cheaper to close a position with the close market button or by putting in a counter order of the same amount of contracts?
[2016-02-20 00:05:47] BitMEX_Sam : BTCDJS: The fees are the same, the difference is limit vs market
[2016-02-20 00:06:23] BitMEX_Sam : If liquidity is good, there's little difference. Unless the market is moving really quickly, the best way IMO is to put a good bid/offer in and hope that someone will hit it
[2016-02-20 00:06:31] BitMEX_Sam : But that's not gospel - it's a matter of feel
[2016-02-20 00:06:58] BitMEX_Sam : But by placing orders into the book rather than hitting the book, not only do you generally get a better price, but you get the maker rebate (instead of the taker fee)
[2016-02-20 00:07:36] BTCDJS : thanks
[2016-02-20 00:16:06] BTCDJS : broke through the triangle