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[2016-02-19 02:56:06] AudibleScience : Maybe a horizontal status/control area could hold all the new features...
[2016-02-19 02:57:37] AudibleScience : that way it would not take up the valuable display width available on mobile devices or smaller screens...
[2016-02-19 02:57:57] laisee : AudibleScience: in my prev experience a grid layout with complex bits kept to margins or in popups works best overall. but that view is not noob-friendly - all the discovery is still left to users.
[2016-02-19 02:58:34] micmix : I don't know guys, order controls on the left side with your position and contract details, orderbook or chart to the right of order controls - feels very convenient to me
[2016-02-19 02:58:46] laisee : so ... expert traders like raw data and noobs like groovy widgets. how to reconcile?
[2016-02-19 02:59:53] laisee : I like orderbook right next to order control - closeis good when adding new orders.
[2016-02-19 03:00:01] micmix : the key for me was to change the width so chart takes up its own row
[2016-02-19 03:00:22] AudibleScience : laisee: are you calling the old order control box a "groovy widget"?
[2016-02-19 03:00:30] micmix : and moving order controls to the left side
[2016-02-19 03:00:50] laisee : micmix: how to do that i.e. chart in one row?
[2016-02-19 03:01:07] chromaticcr : http://snag.gy/gzJFr.jpg
[2016-02-19 03:01:13] laisee : AudibleScience: nah, not so much
[2016-02-19 03:01:22] micmix : reduce the width of the browser window and the chart will move to its own row
[2016-02-19 03:02:31] chromaticcr : expiry: on top right entry: ... not sure mark: we have it 24 vol: topright open val: useless?
[2016-02-19 03:04:05] laisee : micmix: got it. guess I could open multiple browser sessions and re-arrange all the widgets into something I like
[2016-02-19 03:16:29] laisee : BitMEX: sent an email on active orders display not 100% in sync with selected instrument.
[2016-02-19 03:26:12] BitMEX_Sam : laisee: That's not an error, `Active Orders` shows all instruments.
[2016-02-19 03:26:30] BitMEX_Sam : laisee: If you had `XBT24H Orders` selected, I would expect not to see that order.
[2016-02-19 03:27:18] jung1 : mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0VR27H
[2016-02-19 03:27:25] laisee : yes, got it now. did that change with new UI?
[2016-02-19 03:27:48] BitMEX_Sam : Nope, been that way for probably half a year or more.
[2016-02-19 03:27:55] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: did you change all the div ids when you made the new order control box and changed the margin box?
[2016-02-19 03:28:09] BitMEX_Sam : A lot of classnames changed, yes
[2016-02-19 03:30:07] AudibleScience : it does not matter... I think that if you give me the old css file... I may be able to modify my local version of the site... and make it look how I like... then if you want I will also take screenshots and share them with you...
[2016-02-19 03:32:47] micmix : BitMEX_Sam, small UI bug: pin the top bar so it always stays on top, scroll down the page hundred pixels or so. the top bar is on top of order controls, blocks order type selection dropdown
[2016-02-19 03:34:48] AudibleScience : I just want to make a few changes and get my much loved order control box back...
[2016-02-19 03:36:48] micmix : @BitMEX_Sam top bar has BVOL in the menu but no A50
[2016-02-19 03:39:53] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: is there any chance you can restore a version of the old site on the server and run both?
[2016-02-19 03:41:08] AudibleScience : This would also give you more time to iron out any little bugs that come up...
[2016-02-19 03:42:11] AudibleScience : Let your users decide which version to use and take a bit more time to push out such significant changes to the main site?
[2016-02-19 03:45:17] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: that way everyone stays happy and no one gets upset... or worse!
[2016-02-19 04:00:35] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: one more thing... just fyi... I for one, was planning to start doing some classes and introducing my students to BitMEX... which would boost liquidity and provide a small additional revenue stream for me... However if I do not believe the solution I'm brining to my students is the very best... (like BitMEX was before the ui change!..) I simply won't action this plan for the time being... it's not like I don't already have enough other work to do... So I really hope you can restore an option for users to select the ui they prefer basically.. thank you Sam.
[2016-02-19 04:11:01] podizzle3k : frames?
[2016-02-19 04:11:23] podizzle3k : why is it saying i dont have enough margin
[2016-02-19 04:18:16] podizzle3k : .42btc maitenance on 500 contracts? was it always this much?
[2016-02-19 04:18:50] BitMEX_Sam : podizzle3k: Check the leverage you have selected
[2016-02-19 04:19:02] podizzle3k : yeah i always use cross
[2016-02-19 04:19:21] BitMEX_Sam : 500cont would be 5x
[2016-02-19 04:19:32] BitMEX_Sam : Ah -
[2016-02-19 04:19:39] BitMEX_Sam : there's a bug in the cost calculation.
[2016-02-19 04:19:53] BitMEX_Sam : 500cont would be 0.02 XBT @ 100x.
[2016-02-19 04:20:13] podizzle3k : im using 50x market
[2016-02-19 04:20:21] BitMEX_Sam : Cost calculation is erroneously using the last selected leverage you had used.
[2016-02-19 04:20:34] BitMEX_Sam : See how it changes if you move the slider, but remains static in cross
[2016-02-19 04:20:45] podizzle3k : im not touching the slider
[2016-02-19 04:21:10] BitMEX_Sam : I understand, I'm just explaining the nature of the display bug
[2016-02-19 04:21:17] BitMEX_Sam : Touching the slider is never a destructive action by the way.
[2016-02-19 04:21:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 640 @ 0.01081
[2016-02-19 04:22:15] podizzle3k : seems like it would be the same as the isolate button if you slid it all the way to the right
[2016-02-19 04:22:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 7261 @ 0.01093
[2016-02-19 04:22:37] BitMEX_Sam : podizzle3k: Yes, effectively it is
[2016-02-19 04:22:43] BitMEX_Sam : This is a display bug that we will rectify shortly
[2016-02-19 04:23:31] podizzle3k : well its more than a display bug because i have 500 contracts open and its using .44 maitenance btc
[2016-02-19 04:23:46] BitMEX_Sam : Which instrument?
[2016-02-19 04:23:46] podizzle3k : .42
[2016-02-19 04:23:49] podizzle3k : 7d
[2016-02-19 04:24:01] BitMEX_Sam : Set the slider to 5x and then back to Cross.
[2016-02-19 04:24:08] podizzle3k : ok
[2016-02-19 04:25:17] podizzle3k : insufficient margin
[2016-02-19 04:25:39] BitMEX_Sam : Okay, just use any value and back to Cross again
[2016-02-19 04:25:51] BitMEX_Sam : You can go as high as 50x, it doesn't put you at risk of liquidation if you only keep it on for a moment.
[2016-02-19 04:26:25] podizzle3k : maint margin went up to 1.05 now
[2016-02-19 04:26:33] podizzle3k : and not coming down when i go to cross
[2016-02-19 04:26:55] podizzle3k : seems like the numbers are working but not cross
[2016-02-19 04:27:40] BitMEX_Sam : Set it to 50x and then back to Cross and you'll get the desired effect.
[2016-02-19 04:28:10] podizzle3k : ah ok this is what im used to
[2016-02-19 04:28:28] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry for the confusion - we'll work on that flow to make it easier to understand
[2016-02-19 04:30:09] podizzle3k : k it seems to be workign properly now
[2016-02-19 04:30:53] podizzle3k : the problem was i guess i moved the slider from 5x and then back to cross then i placed my order but the engine still thought i was on 5x even though it said cross
[2016-02-19 04:30:56] podizzle3k : the numbers reflected 5x
[2016-02-19 05:29:17] Johnny1989 : how to buy and sell something :(
[2016-02-19 05:36:11] BitMEX_Wally : Johnny1989: Try the "Buy" button or the "Sell" button
[2016-02-19 05:49:41] cengel : Nice to see the leverage specification on UI now
[2016-02-19 06:30:34] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3750 @ 418.77
[2016-02-19 06:37:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2 @ 418.10 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-19 06:38:55] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3013 @ 417.63
[2016-02-19 06:41:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5000 @ 417.28
[2016-02-19 06:42:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 50 @ 416.82
[2016-02-19 07:10:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1000 @ 417.20
[2016-02-19 07:11:47] elmorte : Getting trolled by the trollbox on Chrome Win 10
[2016-02-19 07:13:02] elmorte : Works masterfully on Edge
[2016-02-19 07:14:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 415.70
[2016-02-19 07:15:35] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5174 @ 414.69
[2016-02-19 07:15:38] elmorte : What's opposite of moon?
[2016-02-19 07:15:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 4 @ 415.42 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-19 07:34:32] djuan : elmorte: moon is coming
[2016-02-19 07:52:31] djuan : I love that I can change leverage
[2016-02-19 08:00:41] habibi : no open interest data? or i cant find it on advanced layouy
[2016-02-19 08:00:43] habibi : t
[2016-02-19 08:03:43] BitMEX_Wally : Under Contract Details
[2016-02-19 08:04:08] habibi : AudibleScience: great to see u have same opinion as some of us do
[2016-02-19 08:04:32] BitMEX_Wally : It shows Open Value (in XBT) and hover-over for Open Interest (in contracts)
[2016-02-19 08:05:52] habibi : ah ok
[2016-02-19 08:06:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.01081
[2016-02-19 08:18:25] Tulip_stefan : the green/red leverage bar contains a garbled u
[2016-02-19 08:18:37] Tulip_stefan : the green/red leverage bar contains a garbled unicode icon on either side. I think windows is missing fonts for it.
[2016-02-19 08:19:05] j8 : i was just noticing the same thing, on osx though
[2016-02-19 08:24:55] j8 : (only has a garbled char on the right side of the leverage bar for me though)
[2016-02-19 08:29:09] salcon : наконец то интерфейс нормальный. кто нибудь по русски шпрехает? вопрос есть
[2016-02-19 08:29:41] BitMEX_Wally : j8: Thanks, we'll look into it
[2016-02-19 08:30:26] BitMEX_Wally : salcon: нет
[2016-02-19 08:33:06] zanza : nice new interface
[2016-02-19 08:34:50] djuan : can the troll box translate text?
[2016-02-19 08:35:59] rapidtrades : I was hoping the new UI was a nightmare...but I woke up and its still here
[2016-02-19 08:43:08] slavo : hehe
[2016-02-19 08:43:38] slavo : leverage selection is nice
[2016-02-19 08:44:57] djuan : slavo: yes
[2016-02-19 08:46:05] rapidtrades : leverage reduction is stupid...they added stops, no reason to f with isolate margin
[2016-02-19 08:48:29] djuan : reducing leverage gives you leeway with liquidation without adding extra margin
[2016-02-19 08:48:54] rapidtrades : you shouldn't be using isolate margin
[2016-02-19 08:49:07] BitMEX_Wally : Isolate Margin guarantees you will lose no more than the initial margin. Stop orders may not execute if there is not enough liquidity in the book
[2016-02-19 08:49:08] djuan : why not?
[2016-02-19 08:49:11] rapidtrades : liquidations always have a buffer for the exchange
[2016-02-19 08:49:37] BitMEX_Wally : I would recommend people use both, with their stop price above their liquidation price
[2016-02-19 08:49:41] rapidtrades : unless u trade 50-100k contracts, u should use cross imo
[2016-02-19 08:50:31] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: not a bad idea
[2016-02-19 08:50:36] slavo : is there another platform than btce supporting mt4?
[2016-02-19 08:50:45] rapidtrades : not that i know of
[2016-02-19 08:50:52] slavo : thought so
[2016-02-19 08:51:00] habibi : u use 100x fe, u loose all and price moves only by half, u use cross, u can cut ur loss up to 1% move of price against ur position with still lower loss than 0.5% move on isolated
[2016-02-19 08:51:02] rapidtrades : dunno why...it's a great platform
[2016-02-19 08:51:19] rapidtrades : it's standard for retail forex
[2016-02-19 08:51:26] slavo : i'm long £ to 4410 and going for a breakfast ttyl
[2016-02-19 08:51:27] slavo : :)
[2016-02-19 08:52:03] djuan : slavo: make it a quick breakfast. you may be dissapointed
[2016-02-19 08:52:14] BitMEX_Wally : You can consider the maintenance margin to be the cost of a guaranteed stop loss
[2016-02-19 08:52:29] rapidtrades : ava used to offer some bitcoin CFD but I think they discontinued it after Mtgox blew up
[2016-02-19 08:52:40] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Wally: yeah good point
[2016-02-19 09:17:04] kogroken : wtf happened to the UI?
[2016-02-19 09:36:45] habibi : :D
[2016-02-19 09:41:12] rapidtrades : kogroken: haxed
[2016-02-19 09:48:56] kogroken : rapidtrades: I see that -_- Took a minute to find everything, time will tell if it will feel better in use.
[2016-02-19 09:51:16] rapidtrades : it wont
[2016-02-19 10:04:57] j8 : people hate change, this site is constantly evolving, bitmex actually listen to suggestions. you'll get used to it, but also don't be surprised if things change on you again. generally for the better
[2016-02-19 10:05:48] habibi : j8: ? as u can see people loved old basic ui, suggestion is to leave option to get back to old ui easily in settings
[2016-02-19 10:26:53] j8 : maybe they will, more likely this one will be adapted until people are happy. seems like a better use of time
[2016-02-19 10:40:31] djuan : habibi: you're ignoring the positive feedback
[2016-02-19 10:43:04] Mangalica : withheld profit is not available to trade with and cannot serve as collateral, right?
[2016-02-19 10:43:49] Mangalica : oh nvm, the point would have been to place back "available funds" but i see it only moved
[2016-02-19 10:44:01] Mangalica : like everything
[2016-02-19 10:44:22] BitMEX_Arthur : Mangalica: Everything ok?
[2016-02-19 10:44:50] Mangalica : oh sure, i'm just trying to get used to the new UI
[2016-02-19 11:04:20] germanjew : ooh new UI
[2016-02-19 11:04:32] germanjew : looks nice
[2016-02-19 11:05:08] rapidtrades : u must be blind
[2016-02-19 11:06:19] habibi : i see people that spoke only once, only about new ui, they must be so impressed with that :)
[2016-02-19 11:06:48] rapidtrades : yeah smth seems fishy
[2016-02-19 11:07:18] rapidtrades : they have so creative names too, German Jew
[2016-02-19 11:07:34] j8 : nah he's been around a while
[2016-02-19 11:07:43] germanjew : lol @ rapid
[2016-02-19 11:08:51] tscha : did same remove the wallet balance from default trade screen?
[2016-02-19 11:08:52] germanjew : I like the tabs for XBT, XBU etc at the top and then the different contracts underneath
[2016-02-19 11:08:54] tscha : sam*
[2016-02-19 11:09:12] habibi : did u like holocaust?
[2016-02-19 11:09:56] habibi : german in ocmmon were against jews, whats the germanjew opinion then
[2016-02-19 11:10:16] tscha : habibi seriously?
[2016-02-19 11:10:24] germanjew : well, you are missing the point of the name then
[2016-02-19 11:11:12] germanjew : the trollbox seems very aggressive today
[2016-02-19 11:11:20] tscha : germanjew: just ignore them
[2016-02-19 11:11:31] thehawthorne : I DONT LIKE ZEH GERMANS TOO
[2016-02-19 11:11:42] habibi : :D
[2016-02-19 11:11:42] thehawthorne : HERMANN THE GERMAN
[2016-02-19 11:12:22] thehawthorne : lost big money on that volkswagen meltdown
[2016-02-19 11:12:59] thehawthorne : who would expect germans to cheat their emission values
[2016-02-19 11:13:11] JuanQinobi : me
[2016-02-19 11:13:24] thehawthorne : yea as i said: who
[2016-02-19 11:13:49] JuanQinobi : me
[2016-02-19 11:14:45] BitMEX_Wally : Mangalica: Realised and unrealised profit is withheld until settlement, but we occasionally unlock 50% of realised profit every 8 hours, so that it can be withdrawn or releveraged.
[2016-02-19 11:16:10] rapidtrades : JuanQinobi: look at this f guy
[2016-02-19 11:16:17] rapidtrades : Juan Qinobi...srsly
[2016-02-19 11:16:51] rapidtrades : I bet u just LOOOOOOVE the new UI, don't u Juan?
[2016-02-19 11:17:03] thehawthorne : HEHEHEHEEHEHE
[2016-02-19 11:17:05] thehawthorne : DERP
[2016-02-19 11:18:18] thehawthorne : the fuck is wrong with price, i wanna go on holiday first weeks of march, fucking move
[2016-02-19 11:18:18] Mangalica : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, I didn't actually know profit is partly unlocked from time to time. I just didn't immediately see "available funds" on the new UI that's why i brought it up, but i found it as soon as i mentioned, so everything is ok.
[2016-02-19 11:43:42] Mangalica : looks like Finex is about to add DRKUSD. Wth is DRK? Is it a placeholder?
[2016-02-19 11:52:16] j8 : Mangalica: darkcoin, they recently removed it actually
[2016-02-19 11:52:40] j8 : and darkcoin changed its named to dash a while ago
[2016-02-19 11:53:14] Mangalica : yeah so why add it back? They removed it from the interface and now it reappeared, either that or my mind just filtered it out.
[2016-02-19 11:53:56] j8 : where do you see it?
[2016-02-19 11:54:00] Mangalica : so i'm thinking they might add ETH in place of the existing DRK structures which went offline but are still present in the background
[2016-02-19 11:54:55] Mangalica : http://clip2net.com/s/3uxDAVh
[2016-02-19 11:55:11] Mangalica : i'm on the beta.bitfinex.com site
[2016-02-19 11:56:36] j8 : ah, it's not there on the www
[2016-02-19 11:57:56] Mangalica : so either they are adding something or they pushed DRK back onto the beta UI by mistake
[2016-02-19 11:58:42] Mangalica : obviously i have no info one way or the other and this is 100% speculation. Maybe nothing will happen
[2016-02-19 11:58:51] j8 : yeah who knows. eth is an interesting hypothesis. the rumour is officially started
[2016-02-19 11:59:02] thehawthorne : if
[2016-02-19 11:59:11] thehawthorne : there will be increase in price
[2016-02-19 12:04:34] rapidtrades : post-settlement rally...yeah this is gonna last
[2016-02-19 12:09:28] Mangalica : ask/bid is displaying numbers around 2.55 and that's where DRK went offline in sept
[2016-02-19 12:09:34] Mangalica : http://clip2net.com/s/3uxGr7r
[2016-02-19 13:32:00] sleger : hm my chart looks like the tail of a fish jumping down the screen
[2016-02-19 13:32:26] sleger : I mean literally (the chart is broken), and I see a %logauto on top
[2016-02-19 13:32:56] sleger : screenshot sent via email
[2016-02-19 13:33:35] habibi : bitmex_Sam can hiding tabs be remembered as well by page?
[2016-02-19 13:54:13] rapidtrades : guys gud joke with the UI troll
[2016-02-19 13:54:35] rapidtrades : can u bring the real UI back? this isn't funny anymore
[2016-02-19 14:02:14] djuan : rapidtrades: I LOOOOOVE the new UI
[2016-02-19 14:02:21] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 2 @ 0.01044 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-19 14:02:51] king.rex : new UI looks gud
[2016-02-19 14:03:01] djuan : the king has spoken
[2016-02-19 14:03:22] king.rex : charts sort of useless still....
[2016-02-19 14:03:59] habibi : so many new people today
[2016-02-19 14:04:16] king.rex : trollbox is more prominent in UI now
[2016-02-19 14:04:18] djuan : yeah chart no good but i use other charts anyway
[2016-02-19 14:08:23] djuan : BitMEX_Wally: would it be too much like hard work to make the UI so that each user can move the boxes or tabs and arrange them the way they want it? like the troll box but more free
[2016-02-19 14:08:45] Johnny1989 : i dont know how to trade this style :( :(
[2016-02-19 14:08:51] djuan : expand and contract and such you know ?
[2016-02-19 14:09:08] djuan : Johnny1989: do you need some help?
[2016-02-19 14:09:19] djuan : what are you struggling with?
[2016-02-19 14:09:25] rapidtrades : yeah he needs the old UI back
[2016-02-19 14:10:18] Johnny1989 : somebody can help me understand what is that ? do u have skype or something for chat ?
[2016-02-19 14:10:27] djuan : i think it may be a little more than that rapid
[2016-02-19 14:10:40] thehawthorne : raptra
[2016-02-19 14:11:28] djuan : Johnny1989: subscribe to bitmex on youtube and watch all the videos explaining how all works
[2016-02-19 14:11:32] cengel : it's a major difference from a year ago. back then we were promised the UI would not change, but so many additional features make the order panel impossible to just leave in the middle there. Great smooth use
[2016-02-19 14:12:26] rapidtrades : why is it impossible to leave the orders in middle? i literally have empty space now there
[2016-02-19 14:12:32] rapidtrades : u know why? cos charts are shit
[2016-02-19 14:12:58] rapidtrades : so I have empty center and a troll box the size of Africa
[2016-02-19 14:13:58] rapidtrades : a troll box that I can't place anywhere good
[2016-02-19 14:14:11] djuan : thats why i suggested to have all the boxes intergangeble. so you can minimise the things you don't want and place the other boxes in their place
[2016-02-19 14:14:39] rapidtrades : there's a reason the order panel is in the f center of EVERY EXCHANGE
[2016-02-19 14:14:44] rapidtrades : cos that's why we're here for
[2016-02-19 14:14:45] cengel : rapidtrades: because theres too many options now. I loved the original UI too but things change
[2016-02-19 14:14:47] djuan : and expand and contract them the way you do with a browser window
[2016-02-19 14:15:23] habibi : cengel: so what the problem with leaveing old UI as a option in settings, for nerds/noobs/guys like us
[2016-02-19 14:15:28] djuan : what is that reason rapidtrades?
[2016-02-19 14:16:33] rapidtrades : habibi: yeah idk...right now there's no major difference between basic and advanced
[2016-02-19 14:16:33] cengel : habibi: i dont know, is there even a difference between Beginner and Advanced now? I can't even tell
[2016-02-19 14:16:44] rapidtrades : exactly
[2016-02-19 14:16:56] cengel : the first 5 minutes i was trying to figure out why i couldn't switch back to Advanced lol
[2016-02-19 14:37:01] Tulip_stefan : I actually prefer the basic layout as i can see the index price, the chart, the recent trades and the trollbox at once...
[2016-02-19 14:38:00] Tulip_stefan : but in general i don't give a crap about the gui as long the API is decent and i can download my trading history as csv.
[2016-02-19 14:39:23] rapidtrades : everyone prefers the old basic...cos we're here to trade not look at flashy interface
[2016-02-19 14:39:37] cengel : nope, i prefer old advanced
[2016-02-19 14:39:38] cengel : speak for yourself
[2016-02-19 14:50:06] j8 : i've always used advanced.. can't get used to the basic orderbook. i'd mostly like to be able to get rid of the chart, but thats not new
[2016-02-19 14:52:55] chromaticcr : every time [website] updates UI, everyone blames for 1-2 wk or so. and people get used to it.... and the ui will be updated again
[2016-02-19 14:54:01] sleger : j8: you can get rid of the chart but then its just an empty spacec
[2016-02-19 14:54:32] rapidtrades : this interface doesn't make any sense
[2016-02-19 14:54:40] rapidtrades : it's not about ''getting used to it''
[2016-02-19 14:54:45] rapidtrades : this isn't f facebook
[2016-02-19 14:55:02] rapidtrades : orders panel goes CENTER everywhere
[2016-02-19 14:56:26] j8 : yeah empty space doesn't help
[2016-02-19 14:57:24] j8 : micmix had a good tip, if you make the window narrow enough in goes to its own row. then i have to deal with a narrow window though
[2016-02-19 15:43:31] cengel : is the trollbox still not removable?
[2016-02-19 15:43:52] BitMEX_Sam : You can minimize it
[2016-02-19 15:44:22] cengel : i guess that's a no hehe
[2016-02-19 15:44:49] BitMEX_Sam : It's 30px high. Does it cause that much of a disruption?
[2016-02-19 15:45:56] cengel : it would be nice to disable it in settings
[2016-02-19 15:50:51] Tulip_stefan : disable it with css.
[2016-02-19 15:51:17] Tulip_stefan : easiest way is to use adblock plus with element hider helper.
[2016-02-19 15:51:50] Tulip_stefan : i actually hide elements on a big amount of sites, including reddit, because i find them distracting...
[2016-02-19 16:03:15] HowDoge : is XLT7D no longer trading ?~
[2016-02-19 16:04:03] sleger : HowDoge: you want to buy or sell i can make you a price
[2016-02-19 16:05:26] HowDoge : nah was just scouting it. Wanted to see how liquid the books were, until now I hadnt paid it any attention
[2016-02-19 16:05:30] HowDoge : but thanks bro
[2016-02-19 16:05:48] HowDoge : was just wondering why the instrument is expired and their aint a new one
[2016-02-19 16:06:05] HowDoge : is it just a case of no orders on the board
[2016-02-19 16:12:36] sleger : HowDoge: there is a new one
[2016-02-19 16:16:31] HowDoge : I dont see it, still has expired instrument on my side :/
[2016-02-19 16:17:10] BitMEX_Sam : We are discontinuing XLT7D for the time being.
[2016-02-19 16:19:11] rapidtrades : what...why
[2016-02-19 16:19:37] sleger : HowDoge: my bad, I thought the order book was just empty
[2016-02-19 16:19:51] HowDoge : sleger: no worries mate
[2016-02-19 16:19:56] rapidtrades : sleger: why would the entire orderbook be empty?
[2016-02-19 16:20:08] sleger : rapidtrades: because not one order would be in it
[2016-02-19 16:20:22] rapidtrades : sleger: and u thought that was normal?
[2016-02-19 16:20:50] rapidtrades : ''I'll make u a price'' Sleger 2016
[2016-02-19 16:21:42] laisee : BitMEX: pls add OTC trading via Troll Box. Greater fules abound.
[2016-02-19 16:25:29] BitMEX_Wally : If we add OTC trading it will be private messages only :)
[2016-02-19 16:25:43] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 419.13
[2016-02-19 16:26:07] djuan : yeah otherwise it wouldn't be very OTC
[2016-02-19 16:26:14] BitMEX_Wally : Or maybe we'll add FillOrKill hidden limit orders
[2016-02-19 16:26:18] laisee : private messages that can vanish after 2 mins ...
[2016-02-19 16:27:33] djuan : BitMEX_Wally: I have reset my browser but the dashboard is still buggy. when i try to expand the order book the toolbox disappears and the whole thing freezes
[2016-02-19 16:27:50] djuan : troll box
[2016-02-19 16:28:15] djuan : whole thing as in the entire dashboard
[2016-02-19 16:29:45] djuan : same thing happens with chart and recent trades,
[2016-02-19 16:30:19] rapidtrades : just burn the whole thing and start over imo
[2016-02-19 16:30:34] rapidtrades : no shame in admitting you made a mistake
[2016-02-19 16:31:06] BitMEX_Wally : djuan: Can you see if this occurs on testnet.bitmex.com ?
[2016-02-19 16:31:31] djuan : let me see
[2016-02-19 16:34:15] djuan : BitMEX_Wally: yes same thing
[2016-02-19 16:35:11] BitMEX_Wally : Ok, I have re-created the issue on Safari, will fix
[2016-02-19 16:36:10] djuan : cool
[2016-02-19 16:39:37] BitMEX_Wally : Workaround for the moment is to use Chrome
[2016-02-19 16:47:16] cengel : Wally could you maybe tell me how i would simply kill the Trollbox via userscript?
[2016-02-19 16:47:48] sleger : and the chart ?
[2016-02-19 16:48:27] rapidtrades : just kill everything
[2016-02-19 16:48:57] sleger : workaround is to use 0kcoin :p
[2016-02-19 16:49:14] rapidtrades : i would if prices weren't so high
[2016-02-19 16:49:28] sleger : the fees are lower
[2016-02-19 16:49:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 65 @ 418.37
[2016-02-19 16:49:37] rapidtrades : it's stil $3 above
[2016-02-19 16:50:04] sleger : if you think its too high then sell
[2016-02-19 16:50:19] rapidtrades : already made that mistake :)
[2016-02-19 16:50:31] rapidtrades : i actually sold on margin
[2016-02-19 16:50:44] rapidtrades : closed most of it few days ago though
[2016-02-19 16:50:59] rapidtrades : it's impossible with the current rates 0.1%
[2016-02-19 16:51:19] sleger : i meant 0kcoin fut
[2016-02-19 16:51:36] rapidtrades : ah...it's also at a premium no?
[2016-02-19 16:51:44] sleger : yes
[2016-02-19 16:52:03] rapidtrades : well..here prices are still cheaper
[2016-02-19 16:52:15] sleger : hmm no
[2016-02-19 16:52:42] rapidtrades : $418.84...how is it no? okc spot is at 420.95
[2016-02-19 16:53:07] sleger : there is no daily fut on 0kc
[2016-02-19 16:53:42] djuan : what the holy crap? some massive orders here
[2016-02-19 16:53:56] rapidtrades : yeah doesn't look good tbh
[2016-02-19 16:54:03] sleger : 20k is massive now ?
[2016-02-19 16:54:34] rapidtrades : it is pretty large
[2016-02-19 16:54:47] rapidtrades : usually mm put these orders further back
[2016-02-19 16:55:48] rapidtrades : there's even a 7k wall on top
[2016-02-19 16:56:27] rapidtrades : at a discount...smone's desperate to get out
[2016-02-19 16:56:52] djuan : i see
[2016-02-19 16:56:57] sleger : 7k is mm bot
[2016-02-19 16:57:30] djuan : how did you guys come upon this info?
[2016-02-19 16:57:42] djuan : where can i look to see these?
[2016-02-19 16:57:45] rapidtrades : idk, bots usually don't leave that much do get sniped...is it urs? @sleger
[2016-02-19 16:57:55] cengel : so via userscript how do i kill this chatWidgetWrapper, anyone good with this?
[2016-02-19 16:59:27] sleger : rapidtrades: the mm bot is usually 5 or 6k, today its 7k almost same thing
[2016-02-19 16:59:42] rapidtrades : oh ok i see 7k on other side too
[2016-02-19 16:59:46] rapidtrades : maybe
[2016-02-19 16:59:53] sleger : djuan: have no clue what you're talking about
[2016-02-19 17:00:20] djuan : sleger: how do you know the 7k is a bot?
[2016-02-19 17:00:38] rapidtrades : he's just making a guess based on the size
[2016-02-19 17:00:51] djuan : rapidtrades: how do you know the orders were at discount?
[2016-02-19 17:01:12] rapidtrades : sttlement price is at 418.92
[2016-02-19 17:01:13] sleger : no its not just a guess. Just look at it it regularly moves its orders keeping same distance between bid and ask, it's extremely obvious
[2016-02-19 17:01:43] rapidtrades : sleger: idk asks are a lot closer
[2016-02-19 17:01:55] rapidtrades : and now it's broken the 7k into 5 and 2
[2016-02-19 17:02:12] sleger : no these are different orders
[2016-02-19 17:02:30] rapidtrades : oh right..i see 7k below
[2016-02-19 17:03:03] rapidtrades : sleger: it's still a bit weird to quote 7k on top...if price spikes he could get sniped
[2016-02-19 17:03:08] rapidtrades : not usual bot behavior
[2016-02-19 17:03:28] sleger : hopefully a bot moves faster than you. Actually I think its typical bot behavior
[2016-02-19 17:04:16] rapidtrades : well u run bots so I'll take ur word for it :)
[2016-02-19 17:04:51] cengel : every element i remove of trollbox it screws up the whole site's arrangement :(
[2016-02-19 17:05:19] cengel : has anyone cleanly removed trollbox with userscript here?
[2016-02-19 17:05:29] sleger : cengel: how will you complain once you killed the trollbox ?
[2016-02-19 17:05:50] cengel : i dont want to complain
[2016-02-19 17:06:39] cengel : i like the change in UI, i will get used to it even if i liked old advanced one
[2016-02-19 17:07:07] cengel : but when i remove element it just messes up the widgets
[2016-02-19 17:07:47] cengel : try yourself, dump <div class="widget-container chatWidgetWrapper col-xs-12 hidden-print hidden-lg hidden-md" >
[2016-02-19 17:10:54] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 2737 @ 417.89
[2016-02-19 17:12:51] djuan : rapidtrades: I have noticed that since the start of the dip in price, the highs have been lower but the lows are higher than the previous. would you say this is a good indication that price may be going up again?
[2016-02-19 17:13:21] djuan : or does it mean jack shit
[2016-02-19 17:13:34] sleger : the latter
[2016-02-19 17:13:55] djuan : ok
[2016-02-19 17:13:58] djuan : thanks
[2016-02-19 17:15:09] rapidtrades : that's a triangle...it's suppose to be a trend continuation pattern
[2016-02-19 17:15:18] rapidtrades : but i don't trade triangles
[2016-02-19 17:15:47] djuan : why not?
[2016-02-19 17:16:20] rapidtrades : not reliable, i prefer horizontal support resistance levels
[2016-02-19 17:17:00] djuan : how are they better?
[2016-02-19 17:17:37] rapidtrades : they're static....say if today's high is at $425...it will stay there and wont move with time
[2016-02-19 17:18:02] djuan : gotcha
[2016-02-19 17:18:12] djuan : thanks
[2016-02-19 17:18:56] rapidtrades : I think messiahXXX whatever his nick is, he trades triangles
[2016-02-19 17:20:03] djuan : i see alot of triangles on whaleclub
[2016-02-19 17:20:30] rapidtrades : the chat?
[2016-02-19 17:21:06] djuan : i follow them on twitter and they post chart ideas that i catch sometimes
[2016-02-19 17:21:37] rapidtrades : ok I follow then too, i haven't see any charts
[2016-02-19 17:21:51] rapidtrades : maybe they don't push those out with notifications?
[2016-02-19 17:22:53] djuan : let me get you some examples
[2016-02-19 17:23:44] djuan : https://twitter.com/whaleclubco/status/700726102667501572
[2016-02-19 17:24:34] djuan : https://twitter.com/whaleclubco/status/700624376702574592
[2016-02-19 17:25:07] djuan : https://twitter.com/whaleclubco/status/700661882043109376
[2016-02-19 17:26:28] djuan : this one scares me a little because im longhttps://twitter.com/whaleclubco/status/700732648122089472
[2016-02-19 17:28:11] thehawthorne : djuan
[2016-02-19 17:28:16] rapidtrades : the last one, i think they see 380 as buying opportunity
[2016-02-19 17:28:19] thehawthorne : they don't know more than you do
[2016-02-19 17:28:39] thehawthorne : technical analysis is as often wrong as it is right
[2016-02-19 17:28:45] rapidtrades : i would prolly get out if we trade that low though
[2016-02-19 17:29:50] rapidtrades : djuan: also keep your risk low while you're learning
[2016-02-19 17:31:29] djuan : ok thanks guys. I dont take these things as gospel. But i do like to see what peoples ideas are.
[2016-02-19 17:36:19] dvsdude : where does one find out about this cash rebalancing
[2016-02-19 17:36:56] sleger : ?
[2016-02-19 17:37:08] sleger : where did you find out about it ... ?
[2016-02-19 17:38:19] rapidtrades : dvsdude: I'll rebalance ur cash, plz send it to my bitcoin address
[2016-02-19 17:38:38] dvsdude : i've got a xbth16 @403.04 but now it has no pnl looked at my history and it says there was a CashRebalance
[2016-02-19 17:39:13] rapidtrades : yeah every Friday there is a rebalance
[2016-02-19 17:39:33] rapidtrades : at 13:00 cet
[2016-02-19 17:39:33] dvsdude : dont understand the whole CashRebalance
[2016-02-19 17:39:51] rapidtrades : it's done so u can withdraw profits and no wait 6 months
[2016-02-19 17:40:15] rapidtrades : so every week ur account will get debit/credit
[2016-02-19 17:40:33] dvsdude : so what this order no good now or what?
[2016-02-19 17:40:43] rapidtrades : is it still open?
[2016-02-19 17:41:17] rapidtrades : i would show u where to look but I have no idea where to find anything with this UI
[2016-02-19 17:41:32] dvsdude : how does one figure my new entry price
[2016-02-19 17:41:42] rapidtrades : it says entry price
[2016-02-19 17:41:53] rapidtrades : under positions
[2016-02-19 17:42:04] rapidtrades : ah new....
[2016-02-19 17:42:08] djuan : @rapidtrades lol your not going to stop are you ?
[2016-02-19 17:42:11] dvsdude : ya but i'm acually losing right now
[2016-02-19 17:42:19] rapidtrades : well are u short?
[2016-02-19 17:43:07] rapidtrades : ur only ''losing'' compared to 5 hrs ago
[2016-02-19 17:43:44] rapidtrades : since the settlement...ur pnl says realised and unrealised ....think that should be clear enough
[2016-02-19 17:45:30] dvsdude : ok I took profit....but seem to have a different entry price now
[2016-02-19 17:46:17] dvsdude : not the one showing
[2016-02-19 17:46:25] rapidtrades : yeah pretty much
[2016-02-19 17:47:16] dvsdude : well thats seems clear as mud
[2016-02-19 17:47:32] BitMEX_Wally : dvsdude: XBTH16 was rebalanced at price 443.06
[2016-02-19 17:47:34] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/settlementHistory
[2016-02-19 17:47:41] rapidtrades : oh ffs...just add realised and unrealised and you'll have ur actual PnL
[2016-02-19 17:48:01] BitMEX_Wally : So everyones unrealisedPnl is now being calculated from 443.06
[2016-02-19 17:48:29] BitMEX_Wally : But your net PNL (i.e. realised plus unrealised) has not changed
[2016-02-19 17:49:26] BitMEX_Wally : In the API there is `avgCostPrice` (where you originally entered the position) and `avgEntryPrice` (which is where unrealisedPnl is being calculated from)
[2016-02-19 17:49:32] BitMEX_Wally : We show `avgCostPrice` on the GUI
[2016-02-19 17:49:47] dvsdude : ok thanks for the info
[2016-02-19 17:50:45] rapidtrades : also if we get DPE this week, it will be calculated from the new price at 443
[2016-02-19 17:51:33] rapidtrades : so say u lost money on that trade so far but this week u made money....u'll be subject to DPE anyway
[2016-02-19 17:52:00] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Thanks for the report, the Safari bug with fullscreening is fixed
[2016-02-19 17:52:14] rapidtrades : it's somewhat rare but it does happen
[2016-02-19 17:53:01] djuan : great now i can get off chrome. it makes me nervous using chrome
[2016-02-19 17:53:14] BitMEX_Sam : :)
[2016-02-19 17:54:54] djuan : yes haw! i can confirm that its fixed
[2016-02-19 17:55:15] djuan : yee haw damn autocorrect
[2016-02-19 17:56:35] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: i am sorry for previous critic about new ui, its actually pretty nice, much more information, and these order control is awsome
[2016-02-19 17:56:45] djuan : BitMEX_Sam: what do you think about the idea of making the tabs in the dashboard movable and interchangeable so people can arrange their dashboards to the way that suits them. is it too much work?
[2016-02-19 17:56:47] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: Glad you like it
[2016-02-19 17:56:54] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Actually in the works
[2016-02-19 17:56:57] habibi : naaah, just joking, still hate it :p
[2016-02-19 17:57:04] BitMEX_Sam : lol
[2016-02-19 17:57:11] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Built https://strml.github.io/react-grid-layout/examples/0-showcase.html a while ago
[2016-02-19 17:57:16] BitMEX_Sam : will make it into BitMEX hopefully in the next month or so
[2016-02-19 17:57:37] rapidtrades : i never stopped hating it <3
[2016-02-19 17:57:39] djuan : see rapidtrades
[2016-02-19 17:57:51] BitMEX_Sam : Found out a few days back that AWS is actually using that grid project
[2016-02-19 17:57:53] djuan : soon your wishes will be fullfilled
[2016-02-19 17:58:16] habibi : but does it mean order control will be adjustable as well?
[2016-02-19 17:58:28] habibi : probally yno
[2016-02-19 17:58:32] dvsdude : so whats my thinking on this......do I hold or reset the whole thing
[2016-02-19 17:59:10] dvsdude : i've got some reading to do I guess
[2016-02-19 17:59:17] djuan : habibi: there is only one static box on the whole platform
[2016-02-19 17:59:41] djuan : it will probably be the one you'd want to move lol
[2016-02-19 17:59:45] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Likely not, aside from switching sides
[2016-02-19 17:59:52] BitMEX_Sam : But I'll see what can be done.
[2016-02-19 18:00:14] habibi : i will do some extra self trades to give u more fees if u do!
[2016-02-19 18:02:54] elmorte : was this a first major redesign?
[2016-02-19 18:03:04] djuan : nope
[2016-02-19 18:03:15] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Nah, about 6mo ago we added the Basic view,and before that the light theme
[2016-02-19 18:03:42] elmorte : ppl resisted every time?
[2016-02-19 18:04:00] BitMEX_Sam : Not really - to be honest this is probably the first time we've 'forced' the changes, as in there wasn't a fallback
[2016-02-19 18:04:11] BitMEX_Sam : And that's due to how many structural changes were made - it's not simple to offer the old controls box
[2016-02-19 18:04:31] elmorte : i really liked my order book midlle of the screen too..
[2016-02-19 18:04:48] rapidtrades : my middle is now literally empty
[2016-02-19 18:04:58] elmorte : Sorry Sam....maybe its the grieving process
[2016-02-19 18:05:03] BitMEX_Sam : Hah
[2016-02-19 18:05:14] rapidtrades : half of the most important space in the screen...wasted
[2016-02-19 18:05:16] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah I've been thinking about what we can tab the Chart out with, since not everyone seems to use that.
[2016-02-19 18:05:28] rapidtrades : yeah f charts
[2016-02-19 18:05:30] BitMEX_Sam : And honestly I really dislike the Chart itself - TV is really powerful but really, really heavy
[2016-02-19 18:05:45] elmorte : im having my first cigarette in 10 years...
[2016-02-19 18:05:51] BitMEX_Sam : That chart is over twice the size of the rest of the site
[2016-02-19 18:06:07] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: lol...
[2016-02-19 18:06:51] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: figured i found the right support group :)
[2016-02-19 18:07:24] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: TV?
[2016-02-19 18:07:30] BitMEX_Sam : TradingView
[2016-02-19 18:08:33] elmorte : im on some crazy resolution so its the same size to me
[2016-02-19 18:10:04] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry, I mean the download size
[2016-02-19 18:10:38] elmorte : ah,k
[2016-02-19 18:10:40] djuan : BitMEX_Sam: how bout using slack as the trollbox? you can do loads in slack
[2016-02-19 18:10:55] BitMEX_Sam : Couldn't use an actual Slack client or iframe
[2016-02-19 18:11:05] BitMEX_Sam : We try to emulate some parts of its semantics though, such as the formatting
[2016-02-19 18:11:33] sleger : Is there anyone who actually prefers the new design ?
[2016-02-19 18:11:36] elmorte : how long you been in web dev?
[2016-02-19 18:11:36] djuan : kk just spitballing here
[2016-02-19 18:11:42] djuan : me
[2016-02-19 18:11:49] elmorte : namh, Sam
[2016-02-19 18:12:01] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: About 10yrs
[2016-02-19 18:12:09] djuan : no my answer was for sledghammer
[2016-02-19 18:12:15] gouda : i don't have a problem with the new design
[2016-02-19 18:12:19] elmorte : he seems to know his shit inside out
[2016-02-19 18:12:38] gouda : im still making $$ so no shits given
[2016-02-19 18:12:41] elmorte : that'll do Sam, taht'll do
[2016-02-19 18:13:28] elmorte : do the admins get the daily overall perfoa,
[2016-02-19 18:14:03] djuan : there are things i would like to adjust though. but i can see how this current UI can't accommodate it. so ill just wait for the adjustable box upgrade
[2016-02-19 18:14:06] elmorte : perfomance aggregated?
[2016-02-19 18:14:10] rapidtrades : sleger: If I was Schindler and the UI was a jew, I would strike his name of my list
[2016-02-19 18:14:23] rapidtrades : does that answer ur question?
[2016-02-19 18:14:26] BitMEX_Sam : Colorful.
[2016-02-19 18:14:29] djuan : rapidtrades: rapid moans
[2016-02-19 18:14:35] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Yes we have a number of metrics we keep tabs on
[2016-02-19 18:14:59] tscha : what I really dislike is that very important information about my position (entry price) is hidden somewhere in contract details, inbetween things like expiry and 24h Volume.. this should be in the position area
[2016-02-19 18:15:22] elmorte : so how'd everyone do in th last 36-48hrs?
[2016-02-19 18:15:31] tscha : I know it's hard to fit in there design-wise, but logically it belongs there
[2016-02-19 18:15:57] elmorte : only the top 1% got richer?
[2016-02-19 18:15:58] djuan : tscha: is it because the trollbox is hiding it?
[2016-02-19 18:17:15] elmorte : im still on basic view and my pos. are where they always were
[2016-02-19 18:17:18] djuan : tscha: mine is in positions tab. I'm on basic though
[2016-02-19 18:17:24] sleger : mine too
[2016-02-19 18:17:27] tscha : Yeah thats annoying too, but its more about that it logically shouldn't be there. Entry Price belongs to Position and not to Contract Details
[2016-02-19 18:17:35] elmorte : in red *sniff*
[2016-02-19 18:17:40] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: I agree with that actually,
[2016-02-19 18:17:46] BitMEX_Sam : Been thinking about how to structure it.
[2016-02-19 18:18:14] djuan : its all in hand folks. now can we please stop complaining
[2016-02-19 18:18:18] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: u know how? by restoring the old UI
[2016-02-19 18:18:26] djuan : rapidtrades: lol