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[2016-02-18 18:57:03] podizzler3k : i wouldnt recommend it if you plan on holding though youd get eaten alive after a month or so
[2016-02-18 19:15:04] Tulip_stefan : can i ask how you guys deal with risk management?
[2016-02-18 19:15:55] Tulip_stefan : i did a few back of the envelope calculations. it turns out if i wanted 0% chance of margin calls last year, i need to maintain a max portfolio size of about 3% on XBT24H.
[2016-02-18 19:16:11] Tulip_stefan : or about 600 contracts per BTC i have on this exchange.
[2016-02-18 19:17:36] Tulip_stefan : how do you deal with that? Based on the order sizes on the orderbook,, people are taking more risk than that, or have 10 BTC on here.
[2016-02-18 19:18:55] Tulip_stefan : also, if i had access to bvol i could manage my risk better. But that contract was canned, what is that? I realize it's an obscure thing, but still...
[2016-02-18 19:18:59] j8 : Tulip_stefan: that's around 2.5x leverage then?
[2016-02-18 19:19:28] Tulip_stefan : 3% leverage according to my back of the envelope calculations.
[2016-02-18 19:19:57] j8 : 3% margin used?
[2016-02-18 19:19:58] BitMEX_Sam : Do you mean 3% Margin / 33.3x leverage?
[2016-02-18 19:20:37] Tulip_stefan : ehh yeah sorry i'm confusing. I mean invest 3% of my portfoilio an an 100x instrument, so efectively 3x leverage.
[2016-02-18 19:20:53] Tulip_stefan : but if you wanted to be a bit safer 2.5x would be my choice.
[2016-02-18 19:21:58] j8 : that will take a 40% move in a day to liquidate you
[2016-02-18 19:22:20] j8 : or 39.5% really with the maintenance margin
[2016-02-18 19:23:15] Tulip_stefan : the highest move in 2015 was +24% up / 19% down in november and +24/-25% down in januari.
[2016-02-18 19:23:40] Tulip_stefan : in one 24h period.
[2016-02-18 19:25:35] Tulip_stefan : so my question was, how much do you guys invest in XBT24H to avoid being margin called when <insert next mike hearn event here> happens?
[2016-02-18 19:26:42] j8 : a lot of people would rather get margin called after say 5% than hold a losing bet for 20%
[2016-02-18 19:27:06] Tulip_stefan : a lot of people haven't done the math on that. I did :P
[2016-02-18 19:27:37] j8 : yeah i'm not one of those people, i would set stops if anything
[2016-02-18 19:28:14] j8 : but i'll tell you that i often hold over 8x when i'm asleep
[2016-02-18 19:28:30] j8 : up to 15x when i'm watching it
[2016-02-18 19:28:50] j8 : i always have price alarms set though.
[2016-02-18 19:30:35] BitMEX_Sam : :+1: New UI is live.
[2016-02-18 19:30:37] Tulip_stefan : i have no hope that i can exit in an favorable way when hell breaks lose. Hitting a stop or exiting too quickly is just as bad as getting margin called.
[2016-02-18 19:31:06] sleger : if you've done the "math" then why do you ask people here ?
[2016-02-18 19:31:35] Tulip_stefan : because i value your opinion, and my math is often off.
[2016-02-18 19:31:38] j8 : Tulip_stefan: then your conclusion is to never cut your losses.
[2016-02-18 19:32:10] j8 : your strategy might win, until it loses everything
[2016-02-18 19:32:29] Teddy76 : BitMEX_Sam: Nice job, Its brautiful
[2016-02-18 19:33:05] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well it depends how fast you can deposit money, you're assuming a 24h worst move against you which would start just after you take on the max position
[2016-02-18 19:33:10] Tulip_stefan : My conclusion is that cutting my losses is worse in every way than holding assuming the market is a random walk, and i have no hope that i can predict the market in a way that is meaningful enough to make that statement not apply to me.
[2016-02-18 19:34:48] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: the order box defaults to market order, weird choice ?
[2016-02-18 19:35:08] BitMEX_Sam : sleger: It's intended for new users. It remembers whatever you choose between sessions.
[2016-02-18 19:35:29] sleger : Tulip_stefan: I rarely leverage above 3 and if market starts to get very active then i'd watch it and move money around between the exchanges to rebalance risk
[2016-02-18 19:36:19] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: the tab between contract types (bitcoin, litecoin...) is still very large in my opinion as well as the main tab above it (trade/account)
[2016-02-18 19:36:21] j8 : Tulip_stefan: if those are your constraints then yes you'd need to use very low leverage, potentially less than 1x on the short side
[2016-02-18 19:36:42] Tulip_stefan : sleger: actually, there is very little difference between the 24h max volatility and the 6h max volatility. The 3h and 1.5h volatility are somewhat better. My calculations actually underestimate the max volatility, as i'm calculating the relative price delta between T and T+24H rather than the difference between the min and max price.
[2016-02-18 19:36:45] sleger : less than 1x ? would mean a 100% upside move
[2016-02-18 19:37:01] j8 : if you want 100% guarantee
[2016-02-18 19:37:09] j8 : you can't short at all
[2016-02-18 19:37:19] Tulip_stefan : if there is an 100% upwards move, i don't care if i get margin called anymore :P
[2016-02-18 19:37:31] sleger : Tulip_stefan: you're talking about volatility but thats not what matters here it's max abs delta
[2016-02-18 19:38:01] Tulip_stefan : That's what i meant. Sorry for not using the correct terms.
[2016-02-18 19:38:12] sleger : and 24h move is bigger than 6h move
[2016-02-18 19:38:44] Tulip_stefan : Barely. It's like a 5% difference.
[2016-02-18 19:38:45] sleger : in terms of implied risk
[2016-02-18 19:38:56] sleger : well then its a good thing you're not an options trader
[2016-02-18 19:39:03] sleger : cause you would get killed
[2016-02-18 19:41:46] Tulip_stefan : Definitely. That's why i'm using bitcoin ;)
[2016-02-18 19:41:47] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: the x to cancel directly in the order book it top !
[2016-02-18 19:42:16] BitMEX_Sam : it top?
[2016-02-18 19:42:26] sleger : sorry, is top, great etc...
[2016-02-18 19:42:30] BitMEX_Sam : Ah :) Thanks
[2016-02-18 19:43:20] sleger : Tulip_stefan: I was trying to point out that its not because in the data you've looked at it appears that norm1 of 6h was almost same as 24h that it is true. Expected value of 24h largest move is twice 6h move
[2016-02-18 19:48:27] djuan : what the?
[2016-02-18 19:49:29] thehawthorne : LOL
[2016-02-18 19:49:58] Tulip_stefan : That is correct. And i wanted to make use of that fact until i checked the data. Based on the chart i have in front of me, most of the time during an extremely volatile day the 3-hour price move is more than half the 24-hour price move. Not always mind you, but most of the time.
[2016-02-18 19:50:32] Tulip_stefan : it appears that that wisdom doesn't apply to bitcoins.. spiky price nature.
[2016-02-18 19:50:37] djuan : i like the new look!
[2016-02-18 19:50:49] SnackyCoins : GJ on the UI sam :)
[2016-02-18 19:50:49] j8 : this is an example of not a random walk
[2016-02-18 19:51:20] djuan : you are some boy lad
[2016-02-18 19:51:53] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks guys
[2016-02-18 19:52:33] BitMEX_Sam : Enjoy the new features - we have: * Adjustable Isolated Leverage * Hidden Orders * Post-Only Orders * Market Orders * Stop Market Orders * Canceling via Orderbook * More adjustable Trollbox And a few more...
[2016-02-18 19:53:09] tscha : wait... more adjustable trollbox? that makes the reload button very attractive now
[2016-02-18 19:53:15] BitMEX_Sam : Hah
[2016-02-18 19:53:25] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, you can adjust its height, and it remembers now where you put it.
[2016-02-18 19:53:34] SnackyCoins : oh wow. didn't know i could move it
[2016-02-18 19:53:36] tscha : Okay I'll do it
[2016-02-18 19:53:41] thehawthorne : lol
[2016-02-18 19:53:45] thehawthorne : first thing i did was moving it
[2016-02-18 19:54:01] SnackyCoins : and i can put the sidebar on the other side :)
[2016-02-18 19:54:14] BitMEX_Sam : Yep, gear icon allows you to swap the Sidebar over.
[2016-02-18 19:54:29] BitMEX_Sam : We also expanded the PNL calculator out just a bit.
[2016-02-18 19:55:43] justinlooking : banging
[2016-02-18 19:56:02] BitMEX_Sam : Hope you all like it. The new sidebar Order Controls means I have a lot more freedom to expand it into the future when we support more advanced order types in the UI, such as Trailing Stops, OCO, and OTO.
[2016-02-18 19:57:44] BitMEX_Sam : I'll be back a little later, going to get some food - enjoy
[2016-02-18 19:57:50] djuan : just getting to know it.
[2016-02-18 19:58:03] djuan : exploring everything
[2016-02-18 19:58:03] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-02-18 19:58:10] rapidtrades : WHAT DID U DO
[2016-02-18 19:58:20] rapidtrades : i just refreshed
[2016-02-18 19:59:02] hashman : woah
[2016-02-18 19:59:08] hashman : new interface
[2016-02-18 19:59:20] rapidtrades : this better not lag
[2016-02-18 19:59:33] thehawthorne : Bukarest pc always lag
[2016-02-18 19:59:43] thehawthorne : HUEHUEHUEHUEUE
[2016-02-18 19:59:48] habibi : shie
[2016-02-18 19:59:52] habibi : why everyone are on testnet
[2016-02-18 19:59:53] rapidtrades : can i keep the old interface?
[2016-02-18 19:59:58] thehawthorne : no
[2016-02-18 20:00:02] thehawthorne : its mandatory
[2016-02-18 20:00:03] rapidtrades : :(
[2016-02-18 20:00:06] djuan : theres always one
[2016-02-18 20:00:06] thehawthorne : :/
[2016-02-18 20:00:17] habibi : please move out that chart
[2016-02-18 20:00:18] habibi : :(
[2016-02-18 20:00:27] rapidtrades : yeah f the chart
[2016-02-18 20:00:32] tscha : the green 1px border at leverage-bar is gone... looks a bit better now :)
[2016-02-18 20:00:52] thehawthorne : all in all it looks cheaper as the old ui
[2016-02-18 20:00:52] thehawthorne : but
[2016-02-18 20:00:58] thehawthorne : i don't care
[2016-02-18 20:01:06] SnackyCoins : this new navigation system really brings my eyes to the important spots and speeds it up. i noticed it loads faster too
[2016-02-18 20:01:10] thehawthorne : as long as there are buy and sell butoon
[2016-02-18 20:01:31] tscha : I think apart from the leverage bar, the order controls look well designed
[2016-02-18 20:01:33] rapidtrades : this interface sucks
[2016-02-18 20:01:35] habibi : even on the left side
[2016-02-18 20:01:37] habibi : its soo high
[2016-02-18 20:01:40] djuan : oh dem butoons tho
[2016-02-18 20:01:41] tscha : very well actually
[2016-02-18 20:02:03] rapidtrades : why is the orders bar to the side? it needs to be centered...also f the chart
[2016-02-18 20:02:18] rapidtrades : everything is f up
[2016-02-18 20:02:45] rapidtrades : I used to watch on the right side for trades now it's left...how does that make sense
[2016-02-18 20:03:20] habibi : u can turn order placement box to the left side
[2016-02-18 20:03:26] hashman : yeah this will take some getting used to with the order book and trade orders on the right now.
[2016-02-18 20:03:27] habibi : click on the wheel
[2016-02-18 20:03:30] hashman : cool
[2016-02-18 20:03:36] rapidtrades : habibi: it should be centered
[2016-02-18 20:03:38] SnackyCoins : ? chart is the same as before lol
[2016-02-18 20:03:57] habibi : i really dont like that main feature is higher on the left/right side mean sell/buy buttoms
[2016-02-18 20:04:01] SnackyCoins : click the gear you can change the sidebar to either side
[2016-02-18 20:04:03] hashman : can I place an order with take profit and stop loss at same time now from the UI? or still waiting for the OCO?
[2016-02-18 20:04:16] thehawthorne : waiting for oco
[2016-02-18 20:04:52] rapidtrades : why did u push this update on BASIC interface....it's right there in the name....basic, don't need it to be flashy
[2016-02-18 20:05:05] habibi : ehz where is price?
[2016-02-18 20:05:14] habibi : ah market order
[2016-02-18 20:05:15] habibi : wtf
[2016-02-18 20:05:17] rapidtrades : damit I wish I never refreshed
[2016-02-18 20:05:25] thehawthorne : haha
[2016-02-18 20:05:29] rapidtrades : *grabs pitchfork
[2016-02-18 20:05:39] thehawthorne : wait for first guy to market order big amount
[2016-02-18 20:05:49] rapidtrades : only a matter of time
[2016-02-18 20:05:56] SnackyCoins : heh everyone wanted market orders. welp.. there ya go
[2016-02-18 20:06:03] habibi : really market order... who needs it guys? as a main order?
[2016-02-18 20:06:07] habibi : let me check sth
[2016-02-18 20:06:14] rapidtrades : habibi: u can pick limit
[2016-02-18 20:06:28] SnackyCoins : however i would perhaps not make market the default order type
[2016-02-18 20:06:34] habibi : yes but still confused why its default order
[2016-02-18 20:06:38] habibi : good its remember my pick
[2016-02-18 20:06:39] rapidtrades : don't care
[2016-02-18 20:06:43] SnackyCoins : limit should be the default
[2016-02-18 20:06:57] rapidtrades : why is the order of the boxes changed up? this doesn't make sense
[2016-02-18 20:07:03] habibi : yea and market should be with big hazard sing to make people think what they do
[2016-02-18 20:07:08] habibi : sign*
[2016-02-18 20:07:35] rapidtrades : rly ppl...it's just a market order
[2016-02-18 20:07:47] habibi : where u will use market order :D?
[2016-02-18 20:07:54] rapidtrades : we should be talking about how EVERYTHING'S CHANGED
[2016-02-18 20:08:02] habibi : we did it last night already
[2016-02-18 20:08:04] habibi : noone cares
[2016-02-18 20:08:15] habibi : like Sam doesnt care*
[2016-02-18 20:09:11] rapidtrades : doesn't make sense, orders box has to be central...that's why we're here ffs
[2016-02-18 20:09:30] rapidtrades : now I have to minimize chat everytime I want to trade
[2016-02-18 20:09:38] SnackyCoins : you need to think outside the (order) box rapid
[2016-02-18 20:09:44] SnackyCoins : move it
[2016-02-18 20:09:49] SnackyCoins : trollbox is drag and drop
[2016-02-18 20:09:57] rapidtrades : tnx
[2016-02-18 20:10:01] rapidtrades : didn't know that
[2016-02-18 20:10:07] SnackyCoins : ya i just found out today too
[2016-02-18 20:10:08] habibi : doesnt help a lot still
[2016-02-18 20:10:39] rapidtrades : yeah i can put the chat central but wtf...that's not where it should go
[2016-02-18 20:11:04] SnackyCoins : i have my sidebar right and trollbox left
[2016-02-18 20:11:06] habibi : exacly
[2016-02-18 20:11:37] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: then other u see small part of chat or it hides ur recent trades
[2016-02-18 20:11:40] habibi : still bad
[2016-02-18 20:11:44] habibi : both*
[2016-02-18 20:11:47] rapidtrades : this is proof there is no God
[2016-02-18 20:12:00] rapidtrades : if there was a God then why WOULD HE F*CK ME LIKE THIS
[2016-02-18 20:12:18] SnackyCoins : rofl
[2016-02-18 20:13:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.00951
[2016-02-18 20:14:33] habibi : anyway i ll stop crying about new ui so let others do it or not
[2016-02-18 20:14:54] habibi : coz Sam wont take my or ur critic as right as long as others won't say they opinion
[2016-02-18 20:14:54] tscha : just the fact that the new interface makes rapid rage makes me like it :)
[2016-02-18 20:15:11] SnackyCoins : ^
[2016-02-18 20:15:38] rapidtrades : is the Generous Muslim around? he's a big fish around here...
[2016-02-18 20:15:44] rapidtrades : maybe they'll listen to him
[2016-02-18 20:15:53] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: why my value of position is not longer shown in btc equal
[2016-02-18 20:15:55] habibi : :(
[2016-02-18 20:16:19] SnackyCoins : it will be years before it came to light, but it turns out the whole motivation and all those development hours were just to epically troll a single user ;)
[2016-02-18 20:16:33] djuan : lol
[2016-02-18 20:17:16] djuan : i must admit the troll box malarkey is a little clunky
[2016-02-18 20:17:57] djuan : i can't seem to find a good spot for it
[2016-02-18 20:18:15] justinlooking : rofl tscha
[2016-02-18 20:18:34] rapidtrades : don#t get it...why change smth NOONE complained about
[2016-02-18 20:18:51] habibi : its not a problem, problem is why no leave old ui as a option
[2016-02-18 20:19:13] djuan : next stop 427
[2016-02-18 20:19:15] rapidtrades : yeah why isn't old UI set as basic?
[2016-02-18 20:19:17] SnackyCoins : wasnt gonna be room for new order types on the old ui
[2016-02-18 20:19:27] SnackyCoins : would be my guess anyway
[2016-02-18 20:19:35] habibi : so dont make it on old ui, leave as it was :)
[2016-02-18 20:19:47] rapidtrades : no there were 4 order types now there's 4 again
[2016-02-18 20:19:51] habibi : if i would like to make specific new order i would go change into new and go back to my lovely place
[2016-02-18 20:20:00] SnackyCoins : and post only, and hidden
[2016-02-18 20:20:05] SnackyCoins : and soon more
[2016-02-18 20:20:35] rapidtrades : well put the new options where that stupid chart is...it never works anyway
[2016-02-18 20:20:48] rapidtrades : where the chart was in the old UI
[2016-02-18 20:20:50] habibi : anyway let others express their's opinions
[2016-02-18 20:21:11] rapidtrades : ok fair point...I'll come back to rage tomorrow
[2016-02-18 20:21:32] djuan : rapid rages
[2016-02-18 20:21:51] habibi : Bitmes_Sam has left chat coz of us, he worked probally pretty hard to make new ui and we now raging him
[2016-02-18 20:22:03] habibi : sorry man:( thats the part of being CEO :p
[2016-02-18 20:22:33] djuan : habibi: he left before you came on the seen. he had something to do
[2016-02-18 20:22:42] djuan : scene
[2016-02-18 20:23:06] habibi : djuan: right, but he was available here if u write B and press tab, his name was shown
[2016-02-18 20:24:56] justinlooking : habibi i doubt it works like that
[2016-02-18 20:25:08] habibi : justinlooking: yea it works, irc style
[2016-02-18 20:25:10] habibi : just try
[2016-02-18 20:25:28] djuan : nothing happened
[2016-02-18 20:25:35] justinlooking : i'm not doubting you can tab complete
[2016-02-18 20:25:42] habibi : eh... coz noone starts with B is here
[2016-02-18 20:25:44] habibi : try with H or R
[2016-02-18 20:25:58] djuan : habibi: got it
[2016-02-18 20:26:03] justinlooking : but that tab completion (or rather disappearance of) is indidcation for presence...
[2016-02-18 20:26:18] habibi : so thats indication of what then?
[2016-02-18 20:26:21] habibi : anyway lets check
[2016-02-18 20:26:29] habibi : i will log out for 2 minutes, try then
[2016-02-18 20:26:34] habibi : 3-2-1 i am gone
[2016-02-18 20:26:47] justinlooking : habibi: works
[2016-02-18 20:26:47] djuan : habibi: you're still here
[2016-02-18 20:27:14] djuan : habibi: still here
[2016-02-18 20:27:28] djuan : habibi: still here
[2016-02-18 20:27:38] djuan : habibi: stil here
[2016-02-18 20:27:39] justinlooking : it would surely use nicks from trollbox history
[2016-02-18 20:27:55] justinlooking : watch someone pop off top to test if you can be bothered :P
[2016-02-18 20:27:57] djuan : habibi: still here
[2016-02-18 20:28:26] habibi : shiet
[2016-02-18 20:28:26] djuan : habibi: still here
[2016-02-18 20:28:29] habibi : see i told are right
[2016-02-18 20:28:36] habibi : u are right*
[2016-02-18 20:28:53] djuan : did you sign out?
[2016-02-18 20:29:17] habibi : yep
[2016-02-18 20:29:24] djuan : so theres a lag
[2016-02-18 20:29:37] djuan : maybe after 5 mins it works
[2016-02-18 20:29:42] habibi : yea true
[2016-02-18 20:30:30] djuan : 427
[2016-02-18 20:30:40] djuan : come on bulls
[2016-02-18 20:33:31] djuan : does anybody know where the calc is now?
[2016-02-18 20:33:52] djuan : never mind i found it
[2016-02-18 20:33:58] habibi : exacly there
[2016-02-18 20:35:01] djuan : habibi: next stop?
[2016-02-18 20:36:04] habibi : i am not magician
[2016-02-18 20:36:07] habibi : how can i know that
[2016-02-18 20:36:29] habibi : first 2850 to break at least
[2016-02-18 20:36:41] habibi : so 426 about probally
[2016-02-18 20:37:37] djuan : you're right 70% of the time. so i value your opinion though i think for myself ?
[2016-02-18 20:38:57] habibi : good, my opinion is new ui is bad for usability, is that counts on 70% of right opinions ?
[2016-02-18 20:40:09] thehawthorne : only thing bad about the new ui is the order controls
[2016-02-18 20:40:18] djuan : no that opinion falls under the wrong 30%
[2016-02-18 20:40:20] thehawthorne : i like them more if they're in center
[2016-02-18 20:41:24] habibi : yea thats the whole case
[2016-02-18 20:41:35] justinlooking : lol takes 5 mins... u guys
[2016-02-18 20:41:38] habibi : and chart but lets forgot abotu chart
[2016-02-18 20:42:28] djuan : i don't get whats supposed to be wrong with the chart
[2016-02-18 20:42:33] mwalshe99 : new ui is slightly frustrating
[2016-02-18 20:43:05] habibi : i was using basic ui, no chart, order controls were on the middle, was good
[2016-02-18 20:43:56] sleger : i agree
[2016-02-18 20:44:05] sleger : and i dont agree with habibi easily
[2016-02-18 20:44:38] rapidtrades : well the big fish has spoken
[2016-02-18 20:44:41] justinlooking : habibi: do tab on rekt, his last message will be truncated in ~10 msgs... he's not logging out
[2016-02-18 20:44:50] rapidtrades : BRING IT BACK
[2016-02-18 20:45:12] habibi : thanks sleger
[2016-02-18 20:45:35] sleger : where do you guys put the trollbox on the new UI ? I have it on left half open
[2016-02-18 20:45:35] habibi : one day we ll become ever bigger enemies but now we have to fight together
[2016-02-18 20:45:45] habibi : even*
[2016-02-18 20:45:49] rapidtrades : sleger: center
[2016-02-18 20:45:58] sleger : we are not ennemies, I am not threatened by you ;)
[2016-02-18 20:46:05] habibi : yea rekt is here and he is not in recent chat history
[2016-02-18 20:46:08] djuan : left just bellow the rainbow
[2016-02-18 20:46:10] sleger : rapidtrades: over the chart ?
[2016-02-18 20:46:28] rapidtrades : f that chart, it never works properly
[2016-02-18 20:46:53] sleger : rapidtrades: the problem is that it hides the position tab
[2016-02-18 20:46:56] justinlooking : he was furthest away msg when u posted that hab, now he is gone
[2016-02-18 20:47:16] habibi : sleger: only on full screen at 1080p i find place on the left side covering my position and cotract details
[2016-02-18 20:47:18] thehawthorne : ye that chart is annoying
[2016-02-18 20:47:18] thehawthorne : left
[2016-02-18 20:47:18] thehawthorne : wonder who gives a fuck about that chart
[2016-02-18 20:47:31] djuan : there is a positions tab on the left also
[2016-02-18 20:47:32] habibi : thehawthorne: right? thats what i said
[2016-02-18 20:47:36] sleger : apparently sam said it was #1 requested feature
[2016-02-18 20:47:51] thehawthorne : that chart
[2016-02-18 20:48:02] thehawthorne : is not working properly
[2016-02-18 20:48:17] thehawthorne : plus mr new guy fat finger moves are in it
[2016-02-18 20:48:36] thehawthorne : someone seeing this chart actually believes we dropped to 392 a day ago
[2016-02-18 20:48:44] thehawthorne : same with m16
[2016-02-18 20:48:50] thehawthorne : bought way down to 505
[2016-02-18 20:48:50] rapidtrades : yeah we wanted them to fix the chart, not put a crappy non-working chart front and center
[2016-02-18 20:49:36] thehawthorne : what charts are you using for trading? bitmex charts?
[2016-02-18 20:49:44] thehawthorne : guess not
[2016-02-18 20:49:54] j8 : i put the trollbox on the side covering Your Position and Contract Details, don't really need to see those
[2016-02-18 20:50:02] habibi : i dont use chart for follower like bitmex, finex/okc/hobi/tradeblock
[2016-02-18 20:51:05] rapidtrades : yeah what's the point of a chart for the daily if you're not trading intra-day? premium/discount constantly fluctuates so u can't use any levels
[2016-02-18 20:51:57] rapidtrades : it doesn't work anyway
[2016-02-18 20:53:20] djuan : so you don't look at any charts rapidntrades?
[2016-02-18 20:53:45] rapidtrades : no I use other charts...okc/finex/btc-e
[2016-02-18 20:53:53] lockhedge : is there any possibility to see 24h turnover and open interest on the new UI? would be great to have this again under "contract details"
[2016-02-18 20:54:00] thehawthorne : i solely use bitcoinwisdom charts for each individual exchange one and on a separate screen split screen bitcoinwisdom overview and cryptowat.ch
[2016-02-18 20:54:14] rapidtrades : thehawthorne: that would kill my laptop
[2016-02-18 20:54:26] thehawthorne : m
[2016-02-18 20:54:29] djuan : i use tradingview
[2016-02-18 20:54:38] thehawthorne : try only bitfinex chart at bitcoinwisdom
[2016-02-18 20:55:01] thehawthorne : they're not that flashy and stuff
[2016-02-18 20:55:04] thehawthorne : for me they're fine
[2016-02-18 20:55:05] rapidtrades : tradingview is ok if the exhchange doesn't have decent chart like finex
[2016-02-18 20:55:10] thehawthorne : basic and simple
[2016-02-18 20:56:30] djuan : i used to look at the fines chart but i leaned more towards trading view on bitmex due to their chart being bitstamps anyway
[2016-02-18 20:56:39] djuan : finex
[2016-02-18 20:56:52] djuan : bitcoinwisdom i mean
[2016-02-18 20:57:41] djuan : also i prefer heikin ashi candles
[2016-02-18 21:00:49] rapidtrades : I'm switching between basic/advance and there is very lil difference
[2016-02-18 21:00:58] rapidtrades : only in the orderbook...
[2016-02-18 21:01:11] rapidtrades : kinda kills the point of BASIC
[2016-02-18 21:01:24] djuan : found a bug. bitmex sam when i try to expand the chart the whole screen freezes and i have to refresh to fix it
[2016-02-18 21:01:55] j8 : advanced view has a couple more tables at the bottom, and the margin panel. but yeah very similar
[2016-02-18 21:02:12] habibi : these additional tabs doesnt show anything to me
[2016-02-18 21:02:13] habibi : on eth
[2016-02-18 21:02:41] habibi : nvm, refreshed and they appear
[2016-02-18 21:02:55] thehawthorne : Eth is Deth
[2016-02-18 21:03:20] djuan : don't you think its just going to be volatile?
[2016-02-18 21:03:31] habibi : it is all time
[2016-02-18 21:04:25] djuan : so its meth not death
[2016-02-18 21:55:57] djuan : this ui is buggy
[2016-02-18 22:08:23] djuan : in the recent trades box. what does the white coloured wring mean?
[2016-02-18 22:08:30] djuan : writing
[2016-02-18 22:10:09] hashman : good question about the white?
[2016-02-18 22:11:22] djuan : i don't know. is it significant?
[2016-02-18 22:11:43] j8 : green up, red down, white unchanged
[2016-02-18 22:12:11] habibi : ^open interest
[2016-02-18 22:12:27] djuan : i thought it could've been people closing their positions by going the other way
[2016-02-18 22:13:21] djuan : why does unchanged orders show up in the box? isn't it a moot point?
[2016-02-18 22:13:45] j8 : unchanged as in the price was the same as the previous trade
[2016-02-18 22:14:47] djuan : thanks
[2016-02-18 22:14:51] thehawthorne : moon guys
[2016-02-18 22:14:54] thehawthorne : 2817 broken
[2016-02-18 22:15:49] djuan : thehawthorne: if you put in a massive order that will move this price up i will fuck you
[2016-02-18 22:15:51] j8 : okc quarterly almost caught up with `XBTH16`
[2016-02-18 22:16:24] djuan : ?
[2016-02-18 22:16:24] thehawthorne : bought lower
[2016-02-18 22:16:27] thehawthorne : waiting for moon
[2016-02-18 22:17:25] thehawthorne : besides i never buy one massive order
[2016-02-18 22:17:36] thehawthorne : thats just gambling
[2016-02-18 22:18:11] djuan : good tip
[2016-02-18 22:23:24] thehawthorne : look at that volume on okc
[2016-02-18 22:35:28] djuan : thehawthorne: would it be gambling to go to sleep now with an open position? I'm kinda sleepy and I've got work tomoz
[2016-02-18 22:35:57] Tulip_stefan : how big is your position relative to total portfolio?
[2016-02-18 22:36:14] thehawthorne : thats the first and most important question
[2016-02-18 22:37:50] Tulip_stefan : Hurry up, i'm sleepy too.
[2016-02-18 22:39:21] thehawthorne : Bar Exam from monday to next week tuesday
[2016-02-18 22:39:23] thehawthorne : cant sleep
[2016-02-18 22:39:29] thehawthorne : need to get that shit into my head
[2016-02-18 22:42:09] djuan : Tulip_stefan: 48% and i was joking. i wouldn't be able to sleep
[2016-02-18 22:42:21] Tulip_stefan : gambling. Definitely gambling.
[2016-02-18 22:44:10] djuan : what can i say. i have a lot to learn
[2016-02-18 22:49:34] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: new UI is missing essential contract info like 24h turnover and open interest
[2016-02-18 22:50:04] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Those are available in the individual contract descriptions (click the contract name in the description at the bottom of the contract) but I am working to put them back into the adv view
[2016-02-18 22:50:24] BitMEX_Sam : 24h volume is also available at the top in the ticker
[2016-02-18 22:53:08] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: sorry, still can't find open interest, only in the expanded instruments table
[2016-02-18 22:53:30] BitMEX_Sam : It's at the bottom of the full-page description
[2016-02-18 22:53:37] BitMEX_Sam : But I'm going to move it to the sidebar in adv mode
[2016-02-18 22:54:10] micmix : ah ok, it's another screen though :-(
[2016-02-18 22:55:46] micmix : any way to have both avgEntryPrice and avgCostPrice in the position table?
[2016-02-18 22:56:23] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. I have a ticket open to rework that widget
[2016-02-18 22:56:25] BitMEX_Sam : I'll add that note to it
[2016-02-18 22:56:36] btwwdv : Is there any way to change back to the old UI?
[2016-02-18 22:56:44] micmix : thanks Sam
[2016-02-18 22:56:54] BitMEX_Sam : btwwdv: No - there are a large number of new features in this UI that the old one did not support
[2016-02-18 23:22:56] MrJ1m : thanks a lot for this updates team!
[2016-02-18 23:27:39] djuan : BitMEX_Sam: I like the new UI on mobile even better
[2016-02-18 23:28:07] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: Sometimes, my trading history has messed up colors in columns Side, Qty and OrderQty... so in one row f.e. "Buy" in green, "Qty" in red and "Order Qty" in green again... can't seem to reproduce it, happens like 1 time out of 10 randomly
[2016-02-18 23:28:26] BitMEX_Sam : This is "Order History" or a different tab?
[2016-02-18 23:28:32] tscha : Trade History
[2016-02-18 23:28:37] tscha : Account ---> Trade History
[2016-02-18 23:29:03] tscha : tried to reproduce it, but I can't.. happened a few times now though, next time I make a screenshot
[2016-02-18 23:29:03] w00tw00t : where did the trollbox go?
[2016-02-18 23:29:11] BitMEX_Sam : w00tw00t: It's at the bottom right by default
[2016-02-18 23:29:17] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: I'll see if I can get it to happen
[2016-02-18 23:29:52] BitMEX_Sam : Ah, I think I know why.
[2016-02-18 23:30:06] w00tw00t : no, I think it's actually gone. I had my window resized for a bit and now I can't find it anymore
[2016-02-18 23:31:11] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. Try resizing it a bit and it should snap into place
[2016-02-18 23:32:10] BitMEX_Sam : I see what looks like a placement bug with it... give me a bit to investigate and I'll push a fix
[2016-02-18 23:32:18] w00tw00t : no, it doesn't. I inspected the window and found it. it has a right: 181.47%; value
[2016-02-18 23:32:31] djuan : BitMEX_Sam: happens to me too when I try to expand the chart everything freezes and the troll box disappears
[2016-02-18 23:32:34] w00tw00t : if I disable that attribute it pops back onto the screen
[2016-02-18 23:32:46] tscha : just happened again.. if you want to see a screenshot just ping me
[2016-02-18 23:32:49] djuan : Have to refresh the page
[2016-02-18 23:32:57] BitMEX_Sam : w00tw00t: `localStorage.setItem('PopUpWidget', '')` in your console and refresh
[2016-02-18 23:33:01] BitMEX_Sam : I'll push a fix for this.
[2016-02-18 23:33:43] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Will look into it, could be a browser-specific bug
[2016-02-18 23:34:04] djuan : Safari
[2016-02-18 23:38:34] jesperf : BitMEX_Sam: I was w00tw00t. just clearing the localStorage item wasn't enough, but after a full browser restart I got the beloved trollbox back without resorting to hacking
[2016-02-18 23:38:44] BitMEX_Sam : jesperf: :) Glad to hear it
[2016-02-18 23:39:20] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: sent you screenshot of bug
[2016-02-18 23:39:39] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Thanks - already pushed a fix, I know the error :) Will go live in about 15
[2016-02-18 23:40:08] tscha : lol...
[2016-02-18 23:52:59] BitMEX_Sam : djuan: Could you try resetting your localStorage?
[2016-02-18 23:58:13] djuan : Ok
[2016-02-18 23:58:35] djuan : But I'm going to sleep first
[2016-02-19 00:18:13] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Trade History is fixed up
[2016-02-19 00:18:27] BitMEX_Sam : Missing Trollboxes as well
[2016-02-19 00:18:48] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: cool ty
[2016-02-19 00:18:52] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: Added 24H Vol & Open Interest to the sidebar in Adv mode
[2016-02-19 00:18:57] BitMEX_Sam : Also cleaned up the layout a little bit.
[2016-02-19 00:20:13] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: the color change is intentional? colors green/red were the same as in "recent trades" before, now they are a bit darker
[2016-02-19 00:20:36] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: looks great, thanks Sam!
[2016-02-19 00:20:42] BitMEX_Sam : Ah they don't look as good in the dark mode. I'll modify that
[2016-02-19 00:24:41] lockhedge : BitMEX_Sam: great to have open interest and volume back, thanks
[2016-02-19 00:24:47] BitMEX_Sam : :+1:
[2016-02-19 00:27:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 50 @ 420.18
[2016-02-19 00:33:01] micmix : new UI will take some time to get used to but it's definitely an improvement.
[2016-02-19 00:33:28] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah - nobody likes change, and I get that, but this opens the door for a lot of new features.
[2016-02-19 00:35:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 700 @ 419.80
[2016-02-19 00:35:23] micmix : small tip for people who don't use BitMEX chart: move the order control to the left side and reduce the width of the browser window until the chart moves to its own row. minimize the chart and you will have all important info on the screen
[2016-02-19 00:36:54] MrJ1m : BitMEX_Sam: any plan to add more instrument? other assets maybe? Since you've added the a50
[2016-02-19 00:37:17] BitMEX_Wally : MrJ1m: What would you be most interested in trading?
[2016-02-19 00:37:53] justinlooking : on testnet there's btceur and btcjpy
[2016-02-19 00:38:28] MrJ1m : other indexes like sp500 eurostox50
[2016-02-19 00:38:37] MrJ1m : gold silver why not
[2016-02-19 00:40:10] BitMEX_Wally : If we can find enough traders willing to market make we can launch anything
[2016-02-19 00:40:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 419.65
[2016-02-19 00:41:42] MrJ1m : ye obv. im guessing im not the first to ask. ty
[2016-02-19 00:46:48] TInvest : what's with playschool layout times?
[2016-02-19 01:14:24] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: hi, are you here?
[2016-02-19 01:14:32] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: Yeah, what's up?
[2016-02-19 01:15:16] jung1 : Nice features
[2016-02-19 01:15:22] AudibleScience : why did you change the ui so much!?
[2016-02-19 01:16:00] BitMEX_Sam : To fit new features - we're fixing a lot of old layout deficiencies and making room for a lot more advanced order types
[2016-02-19 01:18:09] AudibleScience : okay... that's cool... but for the time being...
[2016-02-19 01:19:05] AudibleScience : May I have a copy of the old html and css, so that I can run that locally rather than the new ui Sam?
[2016-02-19 01:19:23] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry, it wouldn't work that way. You'll just have to get used to it
[2016-02-19 01:19:51] BitMEX_Sam : I understand that all changes are disruptive but we firmly believe this is an improvement , and also paves the way for a lot of progress.
[2016-02-19 01:20:25] BitMEX_Sam : We've added 4 new order types, adjustable isolated leverage, cancellations via the orderbook, and lots of performance/stability fixes in this release
[2016-02-19 01:20:26] BitMEX_Sam : More to come.
[2016-02-19 01:21:06] jung1 : Move sidebar bar does not work on mobile
[2016-02-19 01:21:24] jung1 : When I click on it nothing happen
[2016-02-19 01:21:40] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, technically it shouldn't even be there, there's no sidebar to move
[2016-02-19 01:21:45] jung1 : Calculator is much better
[2016-02-19 01:23:16] jung1 : Would be cool to have chart and onder control visible on mobile
[2016-02-19 01:23:21] jung1 : Both
[2016-02-19 01:24:59] BitMEX_Sam : The chart shows in the advanced mode on mobile, could add it to basic as well
[2016-02-19 01:25:23] jung1 : When I open long on 10x and then open new one on x100 it will consolidate with average lev or it will be another position?
[2016-02-19 01:26:19] BitMEX_Sam : jung1: Selecting 100x moves the position to 100x
[2016-02-19 01:26:29] BitMEX_Sam : If you want something in between, choose an intermediate leverage.
[2016-02-19 01:27:44] AudibleScience : Sam you've changed the ux so significantly that would like to restore what I feel like I've lost.
[2016-02-19 01:28:20] AudibleScience : *I would
[2016-02-19 01:29:01] BitMEX_Sam : Enjoy the new features - you'll get used to the changes, and I'm sure you'll prefer it once you do.
[2016-02-19 01:34:54] AudibleScience : It's so sad! I was just showing someone new how perfect the bitmex ui is just this evening! and now... it's totally different.
[2016-02-19 01:35:17] rapidtrades : ^
[2016-02-19 01:38:23] AudibleScience : This is the kind of thing that makes traders look for an alternative solution!
[2016-02-19 01:38:36] rapidtrades : ^
[2016-02-19 01:39:10] BitMEX_Sam : I'm sorry that months of work delivering new features and improving usability upset you, because it's different - but this is a free market, you can go where you wish
[2016-02-19 01:39:20] BitMEX_Sam : We will continue to work hard to improve the platform either way.
[2016-02-19 01:41:57] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying here!!
[2016-02-19 01:42:01] rapidtrades : noone's hating on the new features, the complete redesign of the layout is the problem
[2016-02-19 01:42:09] AudibleScience : BitMEX is the most wonderful and powerful place for the instruments it offers!! so you may have luck with traders who remain due to this fact... however it does not change the facts...
[2016-02-19 01:43:15] AudibleScience : You've dropped a bomb on the old ui and the ux is significantly affected!
[2016-02-19 01:46:02] AudibleScience : There is a standard way to "phase in" such massive changes to a ui... which gives users the ability to adapt in their own time! (and only if they so desire)
[2016-02-19 01:51:11] AudibleScience : you can evolve the ui in the best way you can... and consult your ux expert to come up with what you think is the best... however what is it for? it is for your users right? so if you run the old version alongside the new version and give your users the ability to toggle between one version and the other... and you can obviously track which one is being used the most and draw your own conclusions based on that... no?
[2016-02-19 01:51:52] rapidtrades : AudibleScience: yeah old layout should've stayed under basic
[2016-02-19 01:51:55] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: getting "BitMEX is down for scheduled maintenance" HTML from the API for the last few minutes
[2016-02-19 01:52:12] rapidtrades : now both are virtually the same
[2016-02-19 01:52:37] rapidtrades : micmix: are u saying bots are down?
[2016-02-19 01:53:07] micmix : yes, bots could be unable to post orders
[2016-02-19 01:53:20] rapidtrades : sweet
[2016-02-19 01:54:31] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: One of our web servers is giving 503 errors, we are investigating
[2016-02-19 01:55:05] micmix : BitMEX_Wally: thanks, glad you are on top of that
[2016-02-19 01:57:30] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: ??
[2016-02-19 01:58:13] BitMEX_Sam : AudibleScience: Assuming we were a massive team with unlimited resources, yes, we could phase in every single minor change and add a switch for every one.
[2016-02-19 01:58:34] BitMEX_Sam : But we are a small team and in order for us to innovate sometimes things have to move quickly.
[2016-02-19 01:59:50] AudibleScience : I totally get that... but Sam... this is not just a "minor change" man!
[2016-02-19 02:00:08] rapidtrades : test
[2016-02-19 02:00:17] rapidtrades : weird
[2016-02-19 02:01:10] AudibleScience : rapidtrades: the trollbox did that to me too earlier... but a refresh sorted it out for me on Chrome
[2016-02-19 02:03:03] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Sam: I realise you may just want me to shut up! so if that's the case just tell me man! it's really okay if that's the case...
[2016-02-19 02:03:59] rapidtrades : it's obvious they wont change it today, so pointless to continue complaining imo...we'll try again tomorrow :)
[2016-02-19 02:04:16] micmix : I don't know, nothing really changed except the order controls, at least on the advanced view
[2016-02-19 02:05:39] rapidtrades : fellas its ok, except for the most important item on a trading platform, nothing else changed
[2016-02-19 02:06:22] rapidtrades : brb
[2016-02-19 02:09:01] BitMEX_Wally : Tell us how you would like the new order control improved
[2016-02-19 02:09:33] AudibleScience : it is just that I think of BitMEX as the BEST PLACE to trade Sam! So obviously I want to offer my advice if it is welcome!
[2016-02-19 02:10:37] BitMEX_Wally : AudibleScience: I'm asking for it :)
[2016-02-19 02:10:52] drvlikhell : Greetings. I'm new to Bitcoin and Altcoin trading, do you guys have any advice on where/who to seek some instruction from?
[2016-02-19 02:11:09] AudibleScience : ha... you beat me to it @BitMEX_Wally
[2016-02-19 02:13:01] AudibleScience : The order control box... just how it was... was pretty much perfect... and very intuitive...
[2016-02-19 02:14:34] drvlikhell : I've seen a lot of people/places offering training and instruction, but I've seen an equal amount of reviews and flames complaining that they're scams.
[2016-02-19 02:16:30] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: We found the misbehaving proxy, 503s have ended.
[2016-02-19 02:16:47] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: excellent, thanks!
[2016-02-19 02:18:02] AudibleScience : I realise the new features you're trying to include now may not have fit...
[2016-02-19 02:20:38] AudibleScience : BitMEX_Arthur: hi
[2016-02-19 02:27:25] micmix : drvlikhell: check BitMEX blog and arbitrage videos on youtube
[2016-02-19 02:35:41] AudibleScience : twice I missed taking profit now! because I can't see what's going on properly! it's very very frustrating...
[2016-02-19 02:36:12] AudibleScience : for the time being is there any way to run both the old version and the new version please?
[2016-02-19 02:37:05] AudibleScience : That is the best advice I can offer at the moment...
[2016-02-19 02:38:35] laisee : Trollbox - Eppur si muove
[2016-02-19 02:39:01] AudibleScience : and just because it's free advice, it does not mean it's worthless!
[2016-02-19 02:42:34] AudibleScience : if anyone loves the new layout of the website please let Sam know and tell me to shut up!
[2016-02-19 02:45:06] AudibleScience : If I'm wrong then please tell Sam it's fine and not to worry about it!
[2016-02-19 02:45:21] laisee : getting used to it. probably need >= 2 monitors to make it easier to read IMO.
[2016-02-19 02:47:26] laisee : trading apps suffer from having to cram all the useful views of data into one Tab. when you see most traders in banks will have multiple monitors spread across the arc of their eyes scanning radius.
[2016-02-19 02:52:17] chromaticcr : great so far, suggestion: 1: order input box to half width in mobile interface or a larger font 2: contract detail (last,settle,fair,dpr) on top of order
[2016-02-19 02:53:51] AudibleScience : laisee: not sure if you're saying you love it the way it is now or if you loved the way it was before?
[2016-02-19 02:54:10] laisee : heh. both