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[2016-02-16 12:06:46] rapidtrades : again don't use the api
[2016-02-16 12:06:51] BitMEX_Wally : From the API
[2016-02-16 12:06:56] rapidtrades : great
[2016-02-16 12:07:38] BitMEX_Wally : Technically everyone uses the API. How else does your web browser submit orders?
[2016-02-16 12:07:58] rapidtrades : I CLICK N THEM
[2016-02-16 12:09:51] jesperf : ooga booga clicky the box with text
[2016-02-16 12:10:36] jesperf : i type make me money in the buy quantity field but it doesn't work
[2016-02-16 12:10:59] BitMEX_Wally : rapidtrades: You can query easily the raw API using the API Explorer https://www.bitmex.com/api/explorer/#!/Execution/Execution_getTradeHistory
[2016-02-16 12:11:45] rapidtrades : 404
[2016-02-16 12:12:35] BitMEX_Wally : Hit refresh
[2016-02-16 12:12:37] BitMEX_Wally : Or open in a new tab
[2016-02-16 12:13:16] rapidtrades : ok
[2016-02-16 12:15:48] kendang : BitMEX_Wally: what time do withdrawals go out?
[2016-02-16 12:16:23] BitMEX_Wally : 45 minutes time
[2016-02-16 12:16:27] BitMEX_Wally : 13:00 UTC
[2016-02-16 12:16:35] kendang : BitMEX_Wally: cheers
[2016-02-16 12:19:54] habibi : shieet, wtf was that before settlement
[2016-02-16 12:20:39] jesperf : a whale with a rabid bot
[2016-02-16 12:20:54] habibi : a free money rather
[2016-02-16 12:22:08] zanza : what happened before settlement ?
[2016-02-16 12:23:49] habibi : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax7e2Hw-JNA this happened
[2016-02-16 12:27:08] podizzle3k : whatd i miss
[2016-02-16 12:27:39] podizzle3k : 403.28 was settlement
[2016-02-16 12:28:18] podizzle3k : oh i see big greeny
[2016-02-16 12:28:32] j8 : guy bought up to 410 with 11 mins to go
[2016-02-16 12:28:58] podizzle3k : and yet there was no chance of it hitting that price
[2016-02-16 12:29:03] podizzle3k : settlement that is
[2016-02-16 12:29:19] podizzle3k : thats a big messup
[2016-02-16 12:30:06] podizzle3k : looks like a fatfinger
[2016-02-16 12:30:11] messiaen8844 : Generous fella, I like it
[2016-02-16 12:30:56] messiaen8844 : Here comes the dump
[2016-02-16 12:36:39] blocklud : Is China A50 tradeable yet, I dont' see it?
[2016-02-16 12:37:05] tscha : blocklud: starts trading tomorrow
[2016-02-16 12:37:22] blocklud : ah ok, thks
[2016-02-16 12:42:16] BitMEX_Arthur : Yes it will begin trading tomorrow 9am GMT + 8
[2016-02-16 12:59:44] podizzle3k : that should be fun
[2016-02-16 13:11:50] aethlios : BitMEX_Arthur: Hello, 48H contract when it starts? Any estimate?
[2016-02-16 13:12:21] BitMEX_Arthur : Tentatively next week
[2016-02-16 13:12:37] podizzle3k : https://blog.bitmex.com/bitmex-china-a50-futures-arbitrage/
[2016-02-16 13:12:39] podizzle3k : some good info there
[2016-02-16 13:13:22] BitMEX_Arthur : We want to give you guys all the tools to successfully trade this new contract
[2016-02-16 13:19:53] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Arthur: any plans of introducing other indices or commodities?
[2016-02-16 13:21:28] BitMEX_Arthur : We are constantly looking at interesting things we can offer
[2016-02-16 13:23:34] messiaen8844 : Gold and oil might be interesting, I am using 1broker, but would glafly switchto here because the UI is so much better
[2016-02-16 13:25:34] habibi : rapidtrades: did u catch that pre settlement free money?
[2016-02-16 13:34:46] j8 : BitMEX_Arthur: 0.1% maker rebate on A50, and what's the taker fee?
[2016-02-16 13:35:35] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: Hey, could u see my depo adress? some dust is throwing there, do u have same on other addresses?
[2016-02-16 13:35:56] BitMEX_Wally : Let me check
[2016-02-16 13:37:47] BitMEX_Wally : Looks like some joker is sending 0.001 BTC to random addresses
[2016-02-16 13:38:22] habibi : yep 2 of addresses were ur in that single tx
[2016-02-16 13:38:28] habibi : i mean bmex* ones:p
[2016-02-16 13:38:36] BitMEX_Wally : Yeah, we've seen a few of these before
[2016-02-16 13:38:46] habibi : ah ok:)
[2016-02-16 13:38:56] BitMEX_Wally : Sometimes they are advertising spam, the sender will add a public note on blockchain.info advertising some "Bitcoin doubler"
[2016-02-16 13:39:23] BitMEX_Wally : Consider it a free donation
[2016-02-16 13:40:25] habibi : considered, its also a way to look up connection between addresses on single wallet, fe if u sent tx u could use that coins with many others on diffrent addresses so u show up that its connected
[2016-02-16 13:54:02] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 2 @ 405.65 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-16 14:35:49] justinlooking : furry wicks
[2016-02-16 14:54:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 12 @ 407.37
[2016-02-16 14:54:54] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 600 @ 407.41
[2016-02-16 15:27:48] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Wally: hmm, Order History still not working properly (showing "no data" sometimes) . Using Chrome on Android.
[2016-02-16 15:27:58] habibi : same here
[2016-02-16 15:28:09] habibi : it works after the fix but at night it stopped
[2016-02-16 16:00:00] sleger : time to short ?
[2016-02-16 16:06:58] justinlooking : relevant: https://i.imgur.com/3mvG9aW.gifv
[2016-02-16 16:09:56] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1 @ 406.36 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-16 16:45:00] Juba : How do I get the levereage to stay at 15x what makes it go down while % gain goes up
[2016-02-16 16:45:38] BitMEX_Sam : Juba: If you're making money, effectively, your leverage has gone down because you have more money backing the position
[2016-02-16 16:46:34] Juba : Hmm
[2016-02-16 16:47:26] habibi : the new money u theoretically made is backing up ur position so lvl goes down
[2016-02-16 16:47:58] Juba : is it possible to keep 15x leverage at all times
[2016-02-16 16:48:20] habibi : its still 15x compared to fund u put at start
[2016-02-16 16:48:32] Juba : aa. I see
[2016-02-16 16:48:58] Juba : just a bit counfusing when. I saw it go down, but ye I get it
[2016-02-16 16:49:01] Juba : thx
[2016-02-16 16:53:49] rapidtrades : Juba: are u the new guy?
[2016-02-16 16:54:10] Juba : The new guy?
[2016-02-16 16:54:39] habibi : rapidtrades: he is playing on eth so if he would be would already 10x times lower looking at eth futures liquidity :p
[2016-02-16 16:54:54] habibi : if he would, we would be*
[2016-02-16 16:55:44] Juba : how you know that habib :)
[2016-02-16 16:55:49] Juba : :p
[2016-02-16 16:55:50] rapidtrades : Juba: were u selling yday sir?
[2016-02-16 16:56:01] rapidtrades : on daily100x
[2016-02-16 16:56:24] habibi : Juba: i hacked ur computer, just entered http://JubaComputer and there i am
[2016-02-16 16:56:30] Juba : ye I know but. I could have lowered my leverage :p
[2016-02-16 16:57:05] rapidtrades : there wont be a rally until finex climbs on top
[2016-02-16 16:57:32] habibi : we should bounce few times before 410 rally, its pretty walled
[2016-02-16 16:57:47] rapidtrades : $410 broken today...it's shit
[2016-02-16 17:00:54] rapidtrades : who's long?
[2016-02-16 17:03:30] justinlooking : \o/
[2016-02-16 17:06:44] Juba : Yu should be real bullish on BTC right now, but not 100x fomo bullish
[2016-02-16 17:09:12] tscha : http://bravenewcoin.com/news/china-considers-digital-currency/
[2016-02-16 17:09:33] rapidtrades : f china
[2016-02-16 17:09:48] rapidtrades : we should've nuked that place back in the 50s
[2016-02-16 17:10:02] rapidtrades : we'll have less smog for one
[2016-02-16 17:10:05] tscha : While Governor Zhou did not state that the PBC will be using blockchain technology, he acknowledged that if a digital currency wants to emphasize privacy protection, “block chain technology is a good choice.”
[2016-02-16 17:10:08] sleger : we = USA ?
[2016-02-16 17:10:30] mrp1nk : rapidtrades: same question as sleger
[2016-02-16 17:10:44] rapidtrades : the UN
[2016-02-16 17:10:58] tscha : nice save
[2016-02-16 17:11:33] sleger : he's not from a country which has a border with canada ?
[2016-02-16 17:11:55] rapidtrades : Greenland?
[2016-02-16 17:12:18] rapidtrades : Russia?
[2016-02-16 17:12:24] rapidtrades : so many possibilities
[2016-02-16 17:12:34] sleger : would explain the frequent brain freezes
[2016-02-16 17:12:42] rapidtrades : f*cker
[2016-02-16 17:12:51] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-16 17:12:55] laisee : eh?
[2016-02-16 17:13:39] laisee : canadians are like more docile, tamer version of their neighbours on the south side.
[2016-02-16 17:14:25] rapidtrades : the Mexicans?
[2016-02-16 17:15:23] sleger : any reason why china hasnt banned the chinese bitcoin exchanges ?
[2016-02-16 17:16:34] rapidtrades : who knows...they came close two years ago
[2016-02-16 17:17:03] sleger : if they introduce a digital currency, I dont understand why they wouldnt explicitly ban bitcoin and close chinese exchanges
[2016-02-16 17:17:13] rapidtrades : they would
[2016-02-16 17:17:25] sleger : why wouldnt they do it today?
[2016-02-16 17:17:47] rapidtrades : because they're not seriously thinking about a digital currency
[2016-02-16 17:19:04] messiaen8844 : sleger: maybe they find it politically important to control this technology
[2016-02-16 17:20:01] messiaen8844 : Dont wanna lose their stake.
[2016-02-16 17:20:25] laisee : officials in China like to have an option for their family to export loot
[2016-02-16 17:22:04] sleger : i think officials already have "legal" solutions for hat
[2016-02-16 17:22:40] sleger : doesnt make much sense all that. If they close chinese exchanges, price will crash big time
[2016-02-16 17:24:10] tscha : messiaen8844: agree
[2016-02-16 17:24:31] sleger : how do they "control" it today ?
[2016-02-16 17:24:54] messiaen8844 : sleger: mining.
[2016-02-16 17:25:43] sleger : it's controlled by a few workers in mountain plugging factory built devices, I'm not so sure the government has any real control on that
[2016-02-16 17:28:11] tscha : They could knock on the miner's doors anyday. And because they have the majority of hashpower on mainland, they could break BTC by forcing miners to implement faulty software.
[2016-02-16 17:28:32] tscha : and it's pretty much the only country that can do that without much effort
[2016-02-16 17:28:43] sleger : they can do shady thing, but i dont see government doing that
[2016-02-16 17:29:26] habibi : sleger: about banning btc, coz its real live organism they can see how it works in case they wanna do the same on their own terms of using
[2016-02-16 17:29:34] tscha : I don't think they will do it, but they *could*. And this option signals power.
[2016-02-16 17:31:29] sleger : is it really worth all the capital that is escaping the country via bitcoin?
[2016-02-16 17:31:45] rapidtrades : prolly not right now
[2016-02-16 17:32:37] habibi : sleger: they closed back in time like 5 months ago, shaddy banks that were used to money transfer outside the china. about 140 bilions
[2016-02-16 17:32:39] habibi : $
[2016-02-16 17:32:39] rapidtrades : I haven't seen any metrics that would suggest large capital flight...I'm sure exchanges would publish that
[2016-02-16 17:32:43] habibi : whats that compared to bitcoin?
[2016-02-16 17:33:16] tscha : there has to be a reason for them not to shut it down, and this seems to be the most likely reason. At least I think they thought about it and have a plan... besides, bitcoin volume is peanuts and not significant
[2016-02-16 17:33:48] rapidtrades : tscha: most likely reason, too small to care
[2016-02-16 17:34:45] sleger : it would be also super easy to send a notice to btcchina 0kcoin and hu0bi
[2016-02-16 17:35:15] sleger : create panic, teach chinese to not try to evade capital
[2016-02-16 17:36:04] rapidtrades : if they lose control of the Yuan and have to institute capital controls they'll prolly go after everything
[2016-02-16 17:36:32] rapidtrades : we're still 3 trillion away from that solution :)
[2016-02-16 17:39:49] habibi : sleger: i think thats why they making their own digital/crypto currency
[2016-02-16 17:40:02] habibi : to tight capital control as much as possible
[2016-02-16 17:40:38] habibi : coz btc with few changes is awsome for every kind of gov controlling
[2016-02-16 17:40:46] lockhedge : as soon as each Chinese citizen is allowed to export $50,000 per year, there won't be a problem for Bitcoin, but if the policy changes to restrict small scale capital flight of the masses (which has to take place first), they might target exchanges
[2016-02-16 17:42:09] laisee : lockhedge: thouyght they were already making it hard for the small guys to take money out?
[2016-02-16 17:42:47] sleger : 50k a year per person is ok
[2016-02-16 17:43:51] laisee : yes, but they cra ked down on the macau watch scam, right?
[2016-02-16 17:45:20] laisee : china is bleeding vast amounts of money like 1TN last year. capital flight game is not over by a long way.
[2016-02-16 17:46:10] Satah : actually it's 0.8 TN @laisee
[2016-02-16 17:46:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.01029
[2016-02-16 17:46:40] laisee : somewhere far north of 500BN ...
[2016-02-16 17:46:48] Satah : still has 3.2 TN to inflow into reserves
[2016-02-16 17:47:46] laisee : which could be gone in 1-2 years or sooner if they keep defending the offshore rates against tide of outgoing funds.
[2016-02-16 17:49:09] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 600 @ 0.01013
[2016-02-16 17:54:19] BitMEX_Sam : Painful on ETH today
[2016-02-16 17:54:29] habibi : beautiful
[2016-02-16 17:54:39] BitMEX_Sam : Depending on your position :)
[2016-02-16 17:54:41] mrp1nk : eth done
[2016-02-16 17:55:13] habibi : volatility matters :)
[2016-02-16 17:55:48] BitMEX_Sam : For those of you with Order History problems, I've confirmed the bug is now fixed
[2016-02-16 17:55:54] BitMEX_Sam : If you refresh it will act as expected
[2016-02-16 17:56:10] habibi : China A50 on board! :) wooho
[2016-02-16 17:57:29] laisee : congrats Bitmex on new contract
[2016-02-16 17:57:32] tscha : yeah, bitmex going big.. any rough estimates on 48H? @BitMEX_Sam
[2016-02-16 17:57:48] BitMEX_Sam : Wally's scheduling that, I'm not exactly sure when it will be
[2016-02-16 17:58:02] BitMEX_Sam : I believe we'll be launching the redesign first
[2016-02-16 18:04:29] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 75 @ 0.01013
[2016-02-16 18:08:13] jung1 : Ah fuck.. are you guys gonna sell eth?
[2016-02-16 18:08:36] habibi : sold bought like 5 times here in the last 2 hours, great waves
[2016-02-16 18:09:17] jung1 : Will we break 0.01?
[2016-02-16 18:09:22] habibi : we broke already
[2016-02-16 18:09:27] habibi : bouncing now
[2016-02-16 18:10:29] jung1 : Wpadasz jutro na warsaw block?
[2016-02-16 18:11:10] habibi : nie, ale trzeba zaczac chodzic na te spotkania. ile mozna na bitmexie siedziec
[2016-02-16 18:11:52] jung1 : No niedlugo beda w bydgiszczy i gdansku
[2016-02-16 18:12:26] jung1 : Zaczynamy dzialac
[2016-02-16 18:13:03] habibi : poczekam na wroclaw w takim razie
[2016-02-16 18:13:43] rapidtrades : NUKE WARSAW
[2016-02-16 18:15:19] jung1 : Not so easy
[2016-02-16 18:15:25] jung1 : My friend
[2016-02-16 18:15:49] tradedesk : Chcę seksu (only polish i know)
[2016-02-16 18:16:07] jung1 : Kurwa
[2016-02-16 18:16:13] tradedesk : yeah that one to :)
[2016-02-16 18:16:22] jung1 : hehe
[2016-02-16 18:16:32] jung1 : Universal slavic word
[2016-02-16 18:16:43] habibi : read that: Tea who you yeah bunny - u fuckin dick in literal transalation
[2016-02-16 18:19:32] rapidtrades : ''I will. I will. And I will win''
[2016-02-16 18:19:39] jung1 : Why cgina orderbook is empty?
[2016-02-16 18:19:50] jung1 : Chiba
[2016-02-16 18:19:55] habibi : that can be the case This instrument is unlisted; trading is suspended.
[2016-02-16 18:19:59] rapidtrades : He has speaketh
[2016-02-16 18:20:26] jung1 : Oh. Though that china economy failed
[2016-02-16 18:20:54] habibi : eth to da 100$ :D
[2016-02-16 18:21:00] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 20 @ 0.00959
[2016-02-16 18:21:01] tscha : canceling also works when rate limit is exceeded right?
[2016-02-16 18:21:09] justinlooking : cancel always works
[2016-02-16 18:21:23] jung1 : Eth back to 0.005?
[2016-02-16 18:21:43] habibi : moon mooon
[2016-02-16 18:22:05] justinlooking : habibi: how far?
[2016-02-16 18:22:20] habibi : i am joking, all i see is deadcat bounce
[2016-02-16 18:22:23] mrp1nk : BTCETH to da moon
[2016-02-16 18:23:30] jung1 : Dash=eth
[2016-02-16 18:23:34] habibi : fast bubble, faster death
[2016-02-16 18:24:22] habibi : i mean not death to the coin coz we will have tons of bagholders now that will support coin coz what else they can do :D
[2016-02-16 18:25:19] rapidtrades : 98k
[2016-02-16 18:25:32] justinlooking : HAHAHA WTF
[2016-02-16 18:25:40] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 406.46
[2016-02-16 18:25:51] rapidtrades : where did it go
[2016-02-16 18:26:01] justinlooking : it's sleger being angry
[2016-02-16 18:26:18] rapidtrades : sledgery don't f with the orderbook
[2016-02-16 18:26:23] jung1 : Looks like big player dump iit to rebuy from panic sellers
[2016-02-16 18:26:32] jung1 : Fuck it im hold
[2016-02-16 18:26:40] tscha : I wonder how much this guy has already lost
[2016-02-16 18:26:58] mrp1nk : fuck it, this just liquidated me
[2016-02-16 18:27:18] justinlooking : could be cheap cut
[2016-02-16 18:27:19] mrp1nk : -(gently caress it)
[2016-02-16 18:27:25] jung1 : mrp1nk: try lending on polo
[2016-02-16 18:27:34] mrp1nk : this just liquidated me
[2016-02-16 18:27:37] mrp1nk : not fair
[2016-02-16 18:27:37] rapidtrades : dude we dropped like $5
[2016-02-16 18:27:42] jung1 : You can keep your eth and it will work on you
[2016-02-16 18:27:50] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 32 @ 405.63
[2016-02-16 18:27:50] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 600 @ 405.88
[2016-02-16 18:27:51] mrp1nk : oh i see
[2016-02-16 18:27:55] mrp1nk : sry
[2016-02-16 18:28:24] rapidtrades : don't get it...were u long btc or eth
[2016-02-16 18:28:30] mrp1nk : btc
[2016-02-16 18:28:37] rapidtrades : dude we dropped $5...
[2016-02-16 18:28:47] habibi : jung1: yea yea good luck :D
[2016-02-16 18:28:47] mrp1nk : thought this was again the new guy selling like crazy
[2016-02-16 18:29:09] tscha : it actually was, because he sold before spot dropped
[2016-02-16 18:29:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 404.81
[2016-02-16 18:29:10] REKT : HODL HODL HODL!
[2016-02-16 18:29:35] habibi : new guy need rest
[2016-02-16 18:29:38] habibi : few days off
[2016-02-16 18:29:55] habibi : and he will come back! with new great brillant strategy in his head
[2016-02-16 18:30:14] jung1 : habibi: I bought ot 008, already sold at 0.012 and rebuy at 0.011
[2016-02-16 18:30:26] justinlooking : new guy = the ppt
[2016-02-16 18:30:27] habibi : jung1: gj! :)
[2016-02-16 18:30:30] jung1 : 0.0101
[2016-02-16 18:30:47] habibi : jung1: strange, few minutes ago u were talking about "fck i am holding" :D
[2016-02-16 18:30:53] jung1 : With last drop
[2016-02-16 18:31:08] jung1 : Couse I am
[2016-02-16 18:31:10] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 11 @ 0.01036
[2016-02-16 18:31:10] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 31 @ 0.01036
[2016-02-16 18:32:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 10 @ 404.00
[2016-02-16 18:32:31] jung1 : Already run lending bot and leave it
[2016-02-16 18:32:46] jung1 : Eth will hit ath soon
[2016-02-16 18:33:35] tscha : hmm interesting
[2016-02-16 18:33:53] MoneyTree01 : help ETH7D 100 @.01005 then liquidated/close .00955, why? When margin was more than enough, Thanks
[2016-02-16 18:33:56] habibi : jung1: soon? timeframe
[2016-02-16 18:34:02] habibi : week/month/century?
[2016-02-16 18:34:17] tscha : soon™
[2016-02-16 18:34:19] habibi : MoneyTree01: no worries everything is ok
[2016-02-16 18:34:41] habibi : MoneyTree01: someone have ur money and its safe in his hands
[2016-02-16 18:34:47] tscha : uuuh action incoming.... told you it's going to be an exciting week folks
[2016-02-16 18:35:13] rapidtrades : lol? 450k?
[2016-02-16 18:35:18] messiaen8844 : http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/
[2016-02-16 18:35:33] justinlooking : sleger is mad
[2016-02-16 18:35:37] MoneyTree01 : habibi: not helpful
[2016-02-16 18:35:38] justinlooking : we have angered him
[2016-02-16 18:35:38] rapidtrades : wtf is that
[2016-02-16 18:35:39] ayy lmao : holy shit
[2016-02-16 18:35:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 100 @ 0.01098
[2016-02-16 18:35:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 56 @ 0.01084
[2016-02-16 18:35:40] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 1000 @ 0.01093
[2016-02-16 18:36:05] jung1 : One month
[2016-02-16 18:36:07] habibi : wow
[2016-02-16 18:36:07] habibi : :D
[2016-02-16 18:36:08] jung1 : Or less
[2016-02-16 18:36:14] habibi : new guy new strategy
[2016-02-16 18:36:30] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 150 @ 402.79
[2016-02-16 18:37:04] justinlooking : MoneyTree01: sounds like isolated margin
[2016-02-16 18:37:18] ayy lmao : 2k btc
[2016-02-16 18:37:20] MoneyTree01 : please explain
[2016-02-16 18:37:20] rapidtrades : okc is not moving this drop is bullshit
[2016-02-16 18:37:22] mrp1nk : nice, cheap contracts
[2016-02-16 18:37:27] jung1 : What about bitmex dynamic stoplosses?
[2016-02-16 18:37:34] MoneyTree01 : justinlooking: plz explain
[2016-02-16 18:38:39] mrp1nk : this "new guy" shit is not good if you get rekt
[2016-02-16 18:40:33] rapidtrades : okc still not moving...BULLSHIT
[2016-02-16 18:40:45] rapidtrades : finex/bitmex manipulation
[2016-02-16 18:40:49] mrp1nk : can make this exchange unusable if you use isolate margin and just get fucked because he is selling like this
[2016-02-16 18:40:52] rapidtrades : baby doesn't have deep pockets
[2016-02-16 18:41:02] ayy lmao : got pulled
[2016-02-16 18:41:19] rapidtrades : I filled my stuff at $3 discount so tnx
[2016-02-16 18:41:30] tscha : mrp1nk: they will add custom leverage to the new UI soon
[2016-02-16 18:41:43] mrp1nk : doesn't help imo
[2016-02-16 18:41:54] habibi : just use cross margin
[2016-02-16 18:41:56] tscha : of course it does, you don't get liquidated that quickyl
[2016-02-16 18:42:03] habibi : then u still have twice time to close position with same loss
[2016-02-16 18:42:10] habibi : twice time/price movment wahtever
[2016-02-16 18:42:11] tradedesk : mrp1nk: do you go all-in?
[2016-02-16 18:42:29] habibi : and if u go all in u are unstable as well :D
[2016-02-16 18:42:31] mrp1nk : no
[2016-02-16 18:42:50] tradedesk : yeah, then cross will help
[2016-02-16 18:43:15] mrp1nk : ofc, but isolating is a kind of safety net for me
[2016-02-16 18:43:40] habibi : if u watch ur position and price movement
[2016-02-16 18:43:42] rapidtrades : this was either the greatest or the dumbest manipulation of all time
[2016-02-16 18:43:57] ayy lmao : i cant way to see how it turns outs
[2016-02-16 18:43:58] habibi : u can close ur cross under the isolated would got margin call u still with lower loss
[2016-02-16 18:43:59] rapidtrades : okc didn't move like at all
[2016-02-16 18:44:00] tscha : 290k interest now
[2016-02-16 18:44:02] habibi : if u know what i mean
[2016-02-16 18:44:18] mrp1nk : i know i could add margin, but i take my position based on the bfx price resp. XBT index
[2016-02-16 18:44:51] mrp1nk : this feels manipulated, even if i understand that its nice if you get these cheap contracts.
[2016-02-16 18:45:09] tscha : welcome to bitcoin markets
[2016-02-16 18:45:21] tscha : manipulation everywhere :)
[2016-02-16 18:45:51] mrp1nk : sure, but here i'm noticing this only since yesterday
[2016-02-16 18:45:54] mrp1nk : here
[2016-02-16 18:46:27] tradedesk : yeah, the eth pump cruw now focusses on xbt contracts
[2016-02-16 18:47:00] 00Smurf : every market is manipulated in some aspect
[2016-02-16 18:47:22] tscha : it's one specific person, thats true
[2016-02-16 18:47:35] tscha : its*
[2016-02-16 18:47:47] justinlooking : its the ppt
[2016-02-16 18:47:56] mrp1nk : if this happens too often ppl will abandon this exchange
[2016-02-16 18:48:03] mrp1nk : trust me
[2016-02-16 18:48:05] habibi : mrp1nk: man
[2016-02-16 18:48:15] habibi : trust me, some people are making good money on it
[2016-02-16 18:48:21] habibi : sleger right?
[2016-02-16 18:48:24] tscha : Nah, you can make a lot of money from it.. see settlement today.. the guy bought 3 bucks above premium 10 min before settlement
[2016-02-16 18:48:36] tscha : nobody will leave because of him
[2016-02-16 18:48:49] tscha : well, maybe noobs that are butthurt
[2016-02-16 18:49:06] habibi : just isolated 100x is madness
[2016-02-16 18:49:38] habibi : only in total hype movments it can be profitable imho,rest u can be randomly margin called without any spot markets moving
[2016-02-16 18:49:46] tscha : I think once they introduce custom leverage, they should set the default to 50 or something, so noobs don't mess up too much
[2016-02-16 18:49:59] tscha : or even lower
[2016-02-16 18:50:07] habibi : yea, coz in that way its true, people come here, get mc and fuck it
[2016-02-16 18:50:14] rapidtrades : so set it to 100 so noobs can insta-rekted
[2016-02-16 18:50:24] jung1 : habibi: Depends. If you play on 10% of your deposit each time it could woork
[2016-02-16 18:50:26] habibi : rapidtrades: but we need noobs money
[2016-02-16 18:50:38] jung1 : If you love something, let it go
[2016-02-16 18:50:47] habibi : if they come and first what they see is rekt they won't move more money
[2016-02-16 18:50:56] habibi : if they come make some money, then they will try more
[2016-02-16 18:51:29] mrp1nk : i like this exchange, just sayin
[2016-02-16 18:51:58] tscha : sweet, someone pushing back
[2016-02-16 18:53:56] jung1 : mrp1nk: Yep bitmex ftw
[2016-02-16 18:54:28] 00Smurf : its growing on me, curious to see what the new interface will look like
[2016-02-16 18:54:39] justinlooking : 00Smurf: testnet.bitmex.com ;)
[2016-02-16 18:54:40] tscha : 00Smurf: you can check it out on testnet
[2016-02-16 18:54:53] 00Smurf : thank you
[2016-02-16 18:55:06] tscha : you need to register there
[2016-02-16 18:55:17] rapidtrades : and we're done
[2016-02-16 18:55:50] mrp1nk : ok at least i got my losses back now :-)
[2016-02-16 18:56:43] mrp1nk : ^^
[2016-02-16 18:57:10] rapidtrades : god bless America
[2016-02-16 18:57:17] rapidtrades : and no place else
[2016-02-16 18:57:19] mrp1nk : science bless america
[2016-02-16 18:57:41] mrp1nk : *scnr*
[2016-02-16 18:58:14] mrp1nk : are you murrican?
[2016-02-16 18:58:31] rapidtrades : no?
[2016-02-16 18:58:45] mrp1nk : no!?
[2016-02-16 18:59:02] rapidtrades : no/!
[2016-02-16 18:59:52] mrp1nk : kk, no offence :-)
[2016-02-16 19:02:16] rapidtrades : I'm so offended right now
[2016-02-16 19:06:52] rapidtrades : Shkreli is talking about how we got scammed out of 15mil in BTC
[2016-02-16 19:06:55] rapidtrades : right now on stream
[2016-02-16 19:07:04] habibi : link?
[2016-02-16 19:07:14] rapidtrades : youtube martin shkreli
[2016-02-16 19:07:44] habibi : it was trolling as far i know but lets see
[2016-02-16 19:11:36] messiaen8844 : sitoshi bought him lube
[2016-02-16 19:11:39] messiaen8844 : did you see it?
[2016-02-16 19:12:18] Tulip_stefan : current price is pretty interesting. We're almost $3 below index. Is everyone following china?
[2016-02-16 19:12:30] rapidtrades : china hasn't moved
[2016-02-16 19:12:32] messiaen8844 : futures are declining for some reason
[2016-02-16 19:12:47] messiaen8844 : someone sold a looot of contracts
[2016-02-16 19:12:54] rapidtrades : what...i still see same price on march since we started dropping here
[2016-02-16 19:13:27] messiaen8844 : but now oscilating in small range
[2016-02-16 19:13:36] habibi : eh u have for example 50 people trading here
[2016-02-16 19:13:53] habibi : they wanna buy/sell nvm. then comes big guy and fills all the guys that wanted to buy
[2016-02-16 19:14:27] habibi : then some of them will buy more some of them will sell. simple as that
[2016-02-16 19:15:53] Tulip_stefan : gahhh i keep using C++ style print statments in python and python style function declarations in C++ ....
[2016-02-16 19:16:32] tradedesk : A50? is that new?
[2016-02-16 19:16:37] justinlooking : v new
[2016-02-16 19:19:08] tscha : when I'll find time in spring, i'll learn python. took a look and I really really like it.. what a cool language to code in
[2016-02-16 19:19:09] jung1 : tradedesk: China futures
[2016-02-16 19:19:16] tscha : simple as fukc
[2016-02-16 19:19:20] tradedesk : top 50 stocks index
[2016-02-16 19:20:07] tscha : there are even some cool microcontrollers running python: https://micropython.org/
[2016-02-16 19:21:48] tscha : pretty cool project
[2016-02-16 19:30:40] justinlooking : wicked
[2016-02-16 19:30:55] justinlooking : any idea how to monkey patch the fill noise? (for something louder)
[2016-02-16 19:31:30] Tulip_stefan : tscha; it's a simple language but i don't particularly like it. It has a lot of strange design decisions and performance is pretty crap.
[2016-02-16 19:31:52] sleger : Tulip_stefan: performance is crap if you dont use it as intended
[2016-02-16 19:31:59] Tulip_stefan : when i have time (i.e., never) i'll learn rust and use that to crate simple scripts rather than python.
[2016-02-16 19:32:09] justinlooking : ^^ well said. cython numpy and co... python is hte shit
[2016-02-16 19:32:27] tscha : well, for things that rely on performance you shouldn't use it I guess
[2016-02-16 19:32:29] Tulip_stefan : rephrase. performance is crap if you actually code something in python instead of offloading everything to a C library.
[2016-02-16 19:32:37] sleger : maybe you're trying to read a csv file line by line...
[2016-02-16 19:32:52] sleger : most of python is actually C code
[2016-02-16 19:33:10] Tulip_stefan : reading a simple CSV line by line isn't actually slower than pandas in some cases.
[2016-02-16 19:33:29] justinlooking : python is my fav glue by a mile
[2016-02-16 19:34:19] laisee : python - swiss army knife of languages
[2016-02-16 19:34:35] BitMEX_Sam : I like it too, but I wish it had stronger typing
[2016-02-16 19:35:07] Tulip_stefan : Anyway, i find that for many things, even those that aren't really focused on performance, i still hit python's performance limits because i attempt to throw too much data against it and it becomes more attractive to rewrite it in C++.
[2016-02-16 19:35:11] BitMEX_Sam : I'm spoiled with the compile-time assertions we get with Flow in JS
[2016-02-16 19:35:18] Tulip_stefan : and yeah, fixed typing.
[2016-02-16 19:35:42] BitMEX_Sam : It's too bad about JS's lack of proper number types, because otherwise it can actually be really fast compared to Python
[2016-02-16 19:35:46] laisee : BitMEX_Sam: prolly a library just for that purpose(stronger types)
[2016-02-16 19:35:56] Tulip_stefan : I feel like I'm missing RAII more than fixed typing, but it's close.
[2016-02-16 19:36:56] justinlooking : BitMEX_Sam: reckon fill sounds could be patched via chrome inspector?
[2016-02-16 19:37:10] sleger : Tulip_stefan: if you're hitting python limit by throwing bitcoin data at it you're doing something wrong, you're not hitting "python" limit
[2016-02-16 19:38:49] Tulip_stefan : When my data takes 3 minutes to read using the array module, i feel like i've hit python's limits yeah.
[2016-02-16 19:39:49] sleger : so we're back to reading data from file
[2016-02-16 19:40:00] sleger : which can be very slow when not done right indeed
[2016-02-16 19:41:01] Tulip_stefan : i tried the array module, panda's, numpy memory mapped files, csv's. Reading data from disk using array and then converting it into plain arrays was the fastest
[2016-02-16 19:41:21] rapidtrades : f man, programming sounds hard
[2016-02-16 19:41:54] j8 : its hard if you make it hard
[2016-02-16 19:41:56] Tulip_stefan : numpy arrays are significantly slower than python array if you're actuallty doing python stuff with them, rather than calling large numpy functions on them.
[2016-02-16 19:42:02] sleger : panda or numpy should work fine, whats important is to load a decent amount of data then process then repeat
[2016-02-16 19:42:10] tradedesk : programming is as hard as learning english
[2016-02-16 19:42:27] laisee : Tulip_stefan: python VM doesn't scale too well.
[2016-02-16 19:43:14] j8 : Tulip_stefan: how much data are you loading? and how much ram
[2016-02-16 19:43:51] Tulip_stefan : that was a year ago but i think it was about 800MB on disk in memory mapped format.
[2016-02-16 19:44:19] j8 : 3 minutes seems crazy then
[2016-02-16 19:44:41] BitMEX_Sam : justinlooking: Was just thinking about it, I don't think it's at all easy to do
[2016-02-16 19:45:55] BitMEX_Sam : We could probably put something in the preferences page that lets you upload a sound file to your local indexedDB, then patch out the sound if it's been overridden
[2016-02-16 19:46:04] BitMEX_Sam : Would take some doing though - unfortunately lots of high priority features right now
[2016-02-16 19:46:49] BitMEX_Sam : I just put the idea in our issue tracker.
[2016-02-16 19:46:59] Tulip_stefan : i benchmarked a few parts of my program after i ported it to C++ and it different components where about 80-120 faster than the python implementation which i spent much time optimizing.
[2016-02-16 19:47:56] justinlooking : Sam: i see, thanks. it's not worth implementing just for me... and maybe "loud mode" checkbox is simpler :P
[2016-02-16 19:50:01] Tulip_stefan : or maybe my python skills just suck, that's another possible explanation :P
[2016-02-16 19:50:25] tscha : Tulip_stefan: have you checked out pypy?
[2016-02-16 19:51:02] Tulip_stefan : i know it exists but i haven't managed to get it to run on windows yet.
[2016-02-16 19:51:04] sleger : sounds like the issue is somewhere else
[2016-02-16 19:51:15] sleger : it shouldnt be that big of a difference no matter what
[2016-02-16 19:51:40] sleger : maybe you were running it inside some IDE in debug mode that would make sense then
[2016-02-16 19:52:27] Tulip_stefan : I used IDLE as my IDE back them.
[2016-02-16 19:52:48] sleger : any performance test should be ran outside any IDE
[2016-02-16 19:53:08] sleger : command line > python3 yourcode.py
[2016-02-16 19:53:11] tscha : Tulip_stefan: I saw benchmarks with c++ outperforming cpython by around 100x on certain algos, with pypy the factor was only a fraction
[2016-02-16 19:56:15] Tulip_stefan : yeah that sounds about right from what i heard.
[2016-02-16 19:57:17] tscha : but then again, for this stuff you should just use another language I guess
[2016-02-16 19:58:35] rapidtrades : like French?
[2016-02-16 19:59:08] sleger : French Trump American
[2016-02-16 19:59:10] Tulip_stefan : i learned that the hard way. Now i even have my own openGL plotting library :P
[2016-02-16 20:01:20] rapidtrades : u guys sold ur arbs yet? or holding for premium?
[2016-02-16 20:10:22] rapidtrades : guys?
[2016-02-16 20:10:30] rapidtrades : any guys here?
[2016-02-16 20:13:01] laisee : only fellas
[2016-02-16 20:13:03] tradedesk : loginalways ;-)
[2016-02-16 20:13:15] tradedesk : oops, pasted my password in the chat
[2016-02-16 20:13:26] laisee : thanks!
[2016-02-16 20:14:03] BitMEX_Sam : If you're not kidding, reset immediately even if you're using 2FA
[2016-02-16 20:14:09] BitMEX_Sam : And if you're not using 2FA... do so
[2016-02-16 20:14:29] messiaen8844 : dammn, that's my password too!!!
[2016-02-16 20:14:29] tradedesk : lol sam.. trollbox rings a bell?
[2016-02-16 20:14:38] messiaen8844 : you hax0r
[2016-02-16 20:15:06] rapidtrades : WHO STOLE MY UNDERWEAR
[2016-02-16 20:15:18] tradedesk : yes, i was just trying out my new metasploit install, how did you know?
[2016-02-16 20:15:37] tscha : you can never be sure around here
[2016-02-16 20:16:04] BitMEX_Sam : Hahah
[2016-02-16 20:16:07] BitMEX_Sam : Just making sure.
[2016-02-16 20:16:47] tscha : rapidtrade's password is godblessamerica
[2016-02-16 20:16:59] tradedesk : "godblessamerica - and only america"
[2016-02-16 20:17:06] tscha : mine is hunter2 by the way
[2016-02-16 20:17:14] messiaen8844 : you should make a default password... user changes after first login, would be easier for us
[2016-02-16 20:17:19] messiaen8844 : 1-click sign up
[2016-02-16 20:17:28] tradedesk : login only by username
[2016-02-16 20:17:37] messiaen8844 : this 2FA just makes it more difficult
[2016-02-16 20:17:42] rapidtrades : sleger's passoword is the generous muslim
[2016-02-16 20:17:55] habibi : random login would better feature
[2016-02-16 20:18:12] tscha : yeah, no password sounds good. And show the IP when you hover over chat name
[2016-02-16 20:18:21] BitMEX_Sam : At some point in the near future we'll have a sort of demo feature where it creates an acct for you on Testnet with some fake cash to play with
[2016-02-16 20:18:40] BitMEX_Sam : I think Primedice probably does it best tbh
[2016-02-16 20:19:01] BitMEX_Sam : I know you guys are mostly kidding but we're always thinking about reducing friction
[2016-02-16 20:19:33] rapidtrades : LUBE
[2016-02-16 20:19:55] laisee : LUBEDUP
[2016-02-16 20:20:21] messiaen8844 : IF_EQUAL LUBE OP_HASH
[2016-02-16 20:20:39] BitMEX_Sam : :beer:
[2016-02-16 20:21:18] rapidtrades : BitMEX_Sam: how many humans trade here on a regular basis? like at least 2-3 trades per week
[2016-02-16 20:21:25] BitMEX_Sam : At least
[2016-02-16 20:21:27] BitMEX_Sam : Maybe more
[2016-02-16 20:21:37] habibi : that was condition for u Sam to check :D
[2016-02-16 20:21:50] tscha : There are some sport betting sites where you don't even have to have an account, just send money to a btc address and get profit returned (or not)
[2016-02-16 20:22:08] BitMEX_Sam : Actually re: numbers of regular traders, we're not releasing those numbers at this time
[2016-02-16 20:22:17] BitMEX_Sam : But you can get a pretty good idea with the connected count above
[2016-02-16 20:22:36] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: Yeah. Questionable legality on a lot of those
[2016-02-16 20:22:42] tscha : same
[2016-02-16 20:22:52] rapidtrades : do we really have 183 bots running? or is it double counting humans in those
[2016-02-16 20:23:02] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: Nope, they're separate counts
[2016-02-16 20:23:12] BitMEX_Sam : But it does count bots that aren't submitting orders, but are perhaps just reading live data
[2016-02-16 20:23:29] rapidtrades : still seeems a lot
[2016-02-16 20:23:46] tscha : BitMEX_Sam: ws and REST separate too? or grouped by IP?
[2016-02-16 20:23:52] BitMEX_Sam : A large number of users never chat, and it seems lots of them just leave the window open.
[2016-02-16 20:24:08] BitMEX_Sam : tscha: We count it by how many active WS conns are open on the browser endpoint and the API endpoint, which are very slightly different
[2016-02-16 20:24:16] rapidtrades : can u close it? or just minimize?
[2016-02-16 20:24:29] BitMEX_Sam : rapidtrades: If you close it the count will go down, if you minimize it will stay
[2016-02-16 20:24:59] rapidtrades : i see no close
[2016-02-16 20:25:11] BitMEX_Sam : But we only send an updated count every 30s
[2016-02-16 20:25:40] tscha : rapidtrades: see the X on the right upper side?
[2016-02-16 20:25:58] rapidtrades : no, my fonts are weird
[2016-02-16 20:26:07] BitMEX_Sam : What are you trying to close?
[2016-02-16 20:26:13] tscha : his browser window I think
[2016-02-16 20:26:15] rapidtrades : have some script blocking things on
[2016-02-16 20:26:15] tscha : lol
[2016-02-16 20:26:34] justinlooking : u still trading on a kindle paperwhite rapid?
[2016-02-16 20:27:07] tscha : can we implement old-school trades here sam? like, phone calls?