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[2016-02-14 23:25:27] Tulip_stefan : let me test that. gime 2 min.
[2016-02-14 23:27:46] Tulip_stefan : as it turns out i already tested it. The same anomalies hold against my index.
[2016-02-14 23:40:45] sleger : lockhedge: sure but on average the premium is not due to the indez
[2016-02-14 23:42:07] sleger : and yes im not using the index at all to quote here
[2016-02-14 23:42:49] Tulip_stefan : not at all?
[2016-02-14 23:44:21] sleger : no
[2016-02-14 23:45:20] sleger : it may only make sense maybe the last hour before settlement but i do something else there
[2016-02-14 23:46:35] micmix : why would you quote using index? it's lagging the market
[2016-02-14 23:48:16] sleger : micmix: you're asking the tulips guy right ?
[2016-02-14 23:48:24] micmix : yes
[2016-02-14 23:48:32] sleger : btw crazy thing that 0kcoin didnt put their FIX api to futures market right ?
[2016-02-14 23:49:33] micmix : that's very weird. I tried the standard way with MaturityMonthYear, doesn't seem to work :-(
[2016-02-14 23:49:33] Tulip_stefan : I was just wondering what your opinion was. I kind of already knew the answer.
[2016-02-14 23:50:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1400 @ 409.09
[2016-02-14 23:50:19] micmix : sleger: did they answer your support request?
[2016-02-14 23:51:00] sleger : micmix: not yet
[2016-02-14 23:51:21] sleger : micmix: their API doc although limited is pretty clear, instrument has to be btc/usd or ltc/usd
[2016-02-14 23:51:49] micmix : yeah, seems to indicate that the futures are not on FIX
[2016-02-14 23:52:28] micmix : sorry for misleading you earlier, I was sure we are using FIX for everything :-(
[2016-02-14 23:53:00] sleger : yeah no worries, well i will use it for spot now i did the work
[2016-02-14 23:53:14] sleger : hopefully they will add it soon, i will ask
[2016-02-14 23:53:44] sleger : i'll just load balance to rest when Websockets are busy
[2016-02-15 00:00:06] micmix : Tulip_stefan: did you get api-expires to work? I'm using nonce for websocket connect only and api-expires for all other requests, no problems with nonce collisions
[2016-02-15 00:02:15] sleger : i saw it worked
[2016-02-15 00:18:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 38524 @ 411.33 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-15 00:18:58] habibi : shit son
[2016-02-15 00:19:58] tscha : Tulip_stefan: what language are you coding in?
[2016-02-15 00:20:11] MarketQ : Anyone here using HAAS bo
[2016-02-15 00:20:13] MarketQ : haas bot
[2016-02-15 00:22:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 4000 @ 414.12
[2016-02-15 00:22:47] sleger : so china cash hit the exchange today ?
[2016-02-15 00:22:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 951 @ 413.14
[2016-02-15 00:22:51] habibi : yep
[2016-02-15 00:22:55] habibi : and finex as well
[2016-02-15 00:23:14] sleger : thats just gonna come down once they wasted all their cash then
[2016-02-15 00:23:28] habibi : its a process
[2016-02-15 00:23:53] habibi : and after that long consolidation we can have some nice movements now
[2016-02-15 00:24:19] habibi : and shorts are being liquidated on okc so funny to watch this
[2016-02-15 00:33:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3410 @ 410.19
[2016-02-15 00:35:04] sleger : premium on 0kc has been very controlled, there is no short squeeze happening yet
[2016-02-15 00:36:47] habibi : sleger: that 4k http://scr.hu/9xvi/b80y7 were a liq or controlled getting out but still moved short margin used from 65% to 56%
[2016-02-15 00:37:31] sleger : 4k isnt that much for 0kc
[2016-02-15 00:38:15] habibi : true but still some nice wick loking back at these days
[2016-02-15 00:47:19] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 300 @ 409.87
[2016-02-15 01:32:50] habibi : ah nice premium here
[2016-02-15 01:33:50] habibi : sleger did u took that longer guy?
[2016-02-15 01:37:23] habibi : rapidtrades: good day for arb right?
[2016-02-15 01:38:27] tscha : it's the one one guy pushing
[2016-02-15 01:38:42] habibi : yep
[2016-02-15 01:39:03] habibi : from time to time we have such events here and sometimes guys like him wins sometimes margin call for 250k :D
[2016-02-15 01:39:20] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah we've seem some big liqs in the last month.
[2016-02-15 01:39:48] habibi : yep guy lost around 50 btc that day in my calculations
[2016-02-15 01:39:58] habibi : or even more
[2016-02-15 01:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah that's what I remember as well
[2016-02-15 01:42:11] stevelim : that bid @ 407.79 is resisting.
[2016-02-15 01:42:38] habibi : people already did arb, sleger is away so noone is taking it ;p
[2016-02-15 01:52:35] j8 : that's the leverage vs. liquidity factor. big arb opportunities but the liquidity gets exhausted
[2016-02-15 01:54:10] habibi : liq and violatily as well imo
[2016-02-15 01:55:08] rapidtrades : j8: haven't taken the arb yet
[2016-02-15 01:55:25] habibi : u had like 6$ premium at the time
[2016-02-15 01:55:35] rapidtrades : well I would've taken that :)
[2016-02-15 01:55:39] j8 : yeah, anything beyond 1 or 2 % is hard to justify with volatility
[2016-02-15 01:55:42] j8 : on the daily
[2016-02-15 01:58:09] j8 : but then again it's implied volatility, everyone has their ideas about that
[2016-02-15 01:59:26] rapidtrades : still waiting for okc/finex to trade closer
[2016-02-15 02:05:49] rapidtrades : don't get why finex/coinbase are still so low
[2016-02-15 02:06:14] rapidtrades : even btc-e have been trading higher past week
[2016-02-15 02:33:57] chromaticcr : hmm... nothing interesting on CNY or CNH after the new year
[2016-02-15 03:06:43] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 187 @ 0.01406
[2016-02-15 03:08:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 180 @ 0.01423
[2016-02-15 03:09:59] XBT_IHCT : Hi, does anyone know how to reset the chart?
[2016-02-15 03:25:42] odieoh : bitmex sam, are you there?
[2016-02-15 03:25:58] odieoh : or bitmex anyone
[2016-02-15 04:01:34] ikurilin : any idea what is going on ? Chinese are back to the market or what ?
[2016-02-15 04:05:51] BitMEX_Sam : odieoh: I'm here, what's the issue?
[2016-02-15 04:06:21] BitMEX_Sam : XBT_IHCT: You can right-click the chart and click 'Reset Chart', otherwise the best way to reset it completely is to open a console and type `localStorage.clear()`, then refresh
[2016-02-15 04:11:14] XBT_IHCT : BitMEX_Sam: nice... but I get "undefined" in chrome's console when I enter that though?
[2016-02-15 04:16:45] BitMEX_Sam : That's fine, that's expected
[2016-02-15 04:16:52] BitMEX_Sam : If you refresh you should have a fully reset chart
[2016-02-15 04:24:26] XBT_IHCT : nice one, thanks Sam
[2016-02-15 06:46:12] Tulip_stefan : tscha: i use C++ with Qt't libraries for networking and websocket. I also use that for a backtesting/trade visualization tool, and i use python for quick tests involving less than a few hundred MB of data.
[2016-02-15 06:49:38] rapidtrades : $4 gap between okc and finex...just greeaaaaat
[2016-02-15 06:50:06] Tulip_stefan : why do you care? Because of the index?
[2016-02-15 06:50:29] rapidtrades : cos im short on okc and long on finexx
[2016-02-15 06:51:34] Tulip_stefan : hmm yea that was to be expected, okcoin has been at 'outlier' on xbx index for a while now.
[2016-02-15 06:52:49] rapidtrades : ''for a while now''
[2016-02-15 06:52:54] rapidtrades : like the last 10 days?
[2016-02-15 06:54:13] Tulip_stefan : i'm just eyeballing the chary, but 5-10 days yeah.
[2016-02-15 06:56:07] j8 : and btc/cny went the wrong way on a stronger yuan
[2016-02-15 06:56:28] rapidtrades : more proof that bitcoin traders are stupid
[2016-02-15 07:04:03] Tulip_stefan : maybe they are less stupid than you would think and is there a real reason for the price difference.
[2016-02-15 07:04:20] rapidtrades : pleb plz...
[2016-02-15 07:12:22] djuan : dodie son?
[2016-02-15 07:12:54] djuan : ah bless
[2016-02-15 07:49:12] odieoh : Any bitmex people on?
[2016-02-15 08:16:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4000 @ 406.33
[2016-02-15 08:27:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1 @ 407.58 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-15 09:49:37] rapidtrades : http://www.businessinsider.com/martin-shkreli-might-have-been-scammed-out-of-15-million-for-kanyes-new-album-2016-2
[2016-02-15 09:52:03] habibi : rapidtrades: rofl! :D
[2016-02-15 09:54:35] rapidtrades : Also, idiots, I've gotten in touch with Sitoshi (Bitcoin's creator) and he's agreed to help me get my money back. I always win.
[2016-02-15 09:55:28] j8 : he's hilarious. 100% internet troll
[2016-02-15 09:55:52] habibi : yea looking too much suspicious from his twitter account, noone can be that stupid
[2016-02-15 09:57:14] laisee : kanye needs attention.
[2016-02-15 09:57:23] tradedesk : some kind of marketing if you ask me
[2016-02-15 09:58:24] rapidtrades : he likes attention that's for sure
[2016-02-15 09:59:03] j8 : have you seen his youtube channel
[2016-02-15 09:59:10] rapidtrades : not yet :)
[2016-02-15 09:59:34] j8 : he live streams himself at his computer doing whatever.. for like 8 hours at a time
[2016-02-15 10:00:30] j8 : there's a whole cult of people that hang out in the chat..
[2016-02-15 10:01:21] rapidtrades : youtube has chat now?
[2016-02-15 10:01:39] j8 : apparently, for live streams
[2016-02-15 10:01:51] rapidtrades : that's cool
[2016-02-15 10:03:53] habibi : so big longer get fucks again
[2016-02-15 10:03:57] habibi : love that <3
[2016-02-15 10:05:47] habibi : i mean no offence, just that kind of playing ruin a bit volatility here as price dont go in panic mode down just coz of big bid taking all
[2016-02-15 10:05:54] habibi : here*
[2016-02-15 10:06:39] j8 : i don't mind
[2016-02-15 10:06:40] rapidtrades : habibi: that sentence made literally zero sense
[2016-02-15 10:06:53] habibi : rapidtrades: why?
[2016-02-15 10:07:06] rapidtrades : j8: I minded 10 mins ago...cos I didn't hedge my arb
[2016-02-15 10:07:16] rapidtrades : looks like it was the right call now
[2016-02-15 10:07:23] j8 : then it's not an arb :)
[2016-02-15 10:07:31] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-15 10:07:45] rapidtrades : my only option is to buy okc at 408....f that
[2016-02-15 10:09:07] j8 : yeah, the more options the better. no finex?
[2016-02-15 10:09:29] rapidtrades : j8: bought all I could...waiting for okc/finex gap to close
[2016-02-15 10:10:14] j8 : right. i never trade okc spot but that gap is pretty big
[2016-02-15 10:10:20] rapidtrades : guess i could do futures
[2016-02-15 10:11:15] rapidtrades : j8: yeah rolllover is a b1tch...last time I arb on margin
[2016-02-15 10:13:29] j8 : margin is expensive but trading fees are a bit cheaper
[2016-02-15 10:14:37] j8 : you say it's minimum 1 day that you get charged for eh
[2016-02-15 10:16:44] rapidtrades : yeah okc is min 1 day
[2016-02-15 10:17:08] rapidtrades : also theere is no functioning btc lending market, rate to short starts at 0.1%
[2016-02-15 10:18:12] rapidtrades : I tried placing a bid to reserve cheaper, was on top for almost two days with no fill
[2016-02-15 10:18:28] rapidtrades : I think okc controls that market
[2016-02-15 10:20:01] rapidtrades : doesn't look like it's user-driven lending lke on finex
[2016-02-15 10:20:26] j8 : yeah that's what i figured
[2016-02-15 10:22:02] rapidtrades : $2.3 1 hour before settlement
[2016-02-15 10:22:07] rapidtrades : so tempting
[2016-02-15 10:22:16] rapidtrades : well 1h before calc
[2016-02-15 10:23:58] j8 : always bugs me when i take the premium early in the day and i could have just waited until now
[2016-02-15 10:24:29] rapidtrades : yeah all the risk for nothing :)
[2016-02-15 10:29:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 25 @ 404.64
[2016-02-15 10:30:20] Satah : where are Bitmex servers allocated? China?
[2016-02-15 10:30:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 404.54
[2016-02-15 10:31:20] j8 : think this guy's gonna get rekt before settlement
[2016-02-15 10:31:25] j8 : ?
[2016-02-15 10:31:37] rapidtrades : hope so :)
[2016-02-15 10:32:15] rapidtrades : crash into settlement then a monster rally would be perrrrrfect
[2016-02-15 10:32:18] habibi : nah probally took way more protection this time
[2016-02-15 10:33:12] rapidtrades : how can u ''take protection'' when u buy at premium?
[2016-02-15 10:33:26] j8 : oh look who's back
[2016-02-15 10:33:36] rapidtrades : holy shit
[2016-02-15 10:33:39] rapidtrades : is he srs
[2016-02-15 10:33:49] rapidtrades : he'll get r*ped
[2016-02-15 10:34:06] j8 : heard us talking about him
[2016-02-15 10:34:08] tradedesk : am i missing something? settlement in an hour right?
[2016-02-15 10:34:13] rapidtrades : yeah
[2016-02-15 10:34:14] habibi : rapidtrades: by protection i mean much bigger account funds than needed for his position
[2016-02-15 10:34:21] rapidtrades : ah ok
[2016-02-15 10:34:28] habibi : tshh maybe he dont know that
[2016-02-15 10:34:36] tradedesk : why would he buy now? last minute pump?
[2016-02-15 10:34:42] tradedesk : ah ok :)
[2016-02-15 10:34:50] rapidtrades : he's trying to push us out? idk lol
[2016-02-15 10:35:03] Satah : or it's Hong Kong?
[2016-02-15 10:35:20] habibi : ah sleger is not online
[2016-02-15 10:35:25] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-15 10:35:36] habibi : thats why that walls survives so long :D
[2016-02-15 10:36:11] tradedesk : does xbt settle at index price or local bitmex average?
[2016-02-15 10:36:23] rapidtrades : index...gray price
[2016-02-15 10:36:31] tradedesk : lolz
[2016-02-15 10:39:16] rapidtrades : aaaaaand he gave up
[2016-02-15 10:39:29] habibi : dont worry
[2016-02-15 10:39:32] habibi : he'll be back :D
[2016-02-15 10:39:53] habibi : in case we dont shot up before settlement he will need to play to make back his loss
[2016-02-15 10:39:57] rapidtrades : I also sold more lol
[2016-02-15 10:40:01] habibi : same
[2016-02-15 10:40:11] rapidtrades : almost*
[2016-02-15 10:46:29] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.49...chinese keep buying at premium
[2016-02-15 10:54:10] micmix : did someone buy all my bot's bids @ $2-$3 premium?
[2016-02-15 10:54:18] habibi : micmix: right
[2016-02-15 10:54:23] habibi : we have new guy!
[2016-02-15 10:54:24] habibi : :)
[2016-02-15 10:54:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1500 @ 404.17
[2016-02-15 10:54:38] rapidtrades : micmix: WHAT
[2016-02-15 10:55:03] micmix : sorry, bought my asks
[2016-02-15 10:56:11] rapidtrades : welll shit
[2016-02-15 10:56:30] micmix : and now I have a big short
[2016-02-15 10:57:01] rapidtrades : bloody hell
[2016-02-15 10:57:17] micmix : ok
[2016-02-15 10:58:52] micmix : someone sold a bit of coin, not a big deal
[2016-02-15 10:59:59] rapidtrades : ok I'm back in after my other short got insta tp-ed
[2016-02-15 11:01:55] micmix : no worries, we'll be back to $380 area in no time
[2016-02-15 11:02:29] rapidtrades : I'm net long so that would suck balls...
[2016-02-15 11:02:44] rapidtrades : only short here for the premium :)
[2016-02-15 11:04:11] micmix : I'm good now, XBT24H position -1 contract :-)
[2016-02-15 11:04:37] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-15 11:04:49] rapidtrades : it's a wild ride that's for sure
[2016-02-15 11:16:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5530 @ 400.81
[2016-02-15 11:19:59] rapidtrades : and there goes the premium :)
[2016-02-15 11:22:20] habibi : new guy capitulated :(?
[2016-02-15 11:24:51] rapidtrades : cmon calc...let's lockin this price
[2016-02-15 11:28:03] habibi : 330k
[2016-02-15 11:28:04] habibi : nice
[2016-02-15 11:28:07] habibi : open interest
[2016-02-15 11:28:37] rapidtrades : gonna be a crazy settlment
[2016-02-15 11:35:04] messiaen8844 : Looking forward to A50 futures and Bitcoin Euro hedging. Nice stuff coming judging from the testnetMex
[2016-02-15 11:36:12] rapidtrades : wtf is a50
[2016-02-15 11:36:34] HowDoge : pretty decent road in the UK
[2016-02-15 11:37:48] rapidtrades : cmon longs...close into ma bids before price falls again
[2016-02-15 11:38:10] messiaen8844 : Future price of FSTE China
[2016-02-15 11:40:08] rapidtrades : hope they have their legal bases covered :)
[2016-02-15 11:43:20] messiaen8844 : They were talking about that the other day, seems fine with BTC only
[2016-02-15 11:44:38] messiaen8844 : I am still surprised at the guy buying tons of 24H at premium in this choppy zone
[2016-02-15 11:45:13] rapidtrades : lot of new ppl here lately
[2016-02-15 11:46:54] messiaen8844 : Not enough liquidity for that ammount of contracts I think.
[2016-02-15 11:49:59] habibi : close ur longs, save fees
[2016-02-15 11:50:03] zanza : man i lost some on USDCNH
[2016-02-15 11:52:41] rapidtrades : sucks man
[2016-02-15 12:00:25] rapidtrades : lol instant premium
[2016-02-15 12:02:50] rapidtrades : well this was a good day
[2016-02-15 12:03:09] habibi : thx new guy
[2016-02-15 12:03:35] rapidtrades : i need to go and eat
[2016-02-15 12:08:46] rapidtrades : he's already buying everything
[2016-02-15 12:09:02] habibi : i told u, he wanna makes his loss back:)
[2016-02-15 12:09:34] j8 : this is why you buy the weekly instead
[2016-02-15 12:09:59] habibi : j8: tsssch
[2016-02-15 12:09:59] habibi : pls
[2016-02-15 12:10:02] habibi : 24h is more fun
[2016-02-15 12:10:28] rapidtrades : how do u buy 7d when it was $7 spread
[2016-02-15 12:10:45] habibi : rapidtrades: nah, there is mm that sometimes goes off for a while
[2016-02-15 12:11:02] j8 : usually around $1 spread
[2016-02-15 12:11:11] rapidtrades : new guy stay on 24h, more leverage
[2016-02-15 12:11:13] habibi : j8: are u mm there right?
[2016-02-15 12:11:29] j8 : no, i'm not running any bots yet
[2016-02-15 12:11:56] j8 : but i do trade everything, pretty much every day
[2016-02-15 12:12:12] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-02-15 12:12:19] rapidtrades : God bless America
[2016-02-15 12:12:23] rapidtrades : and no place else
[2016-02-15 12:24:27] j8 : canada, and atheist, so whatever
[2016-02-15 12:28:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 2022 @ 405.41
[2016-02-15 15:37:57] tscha : Did API get changed right now?
[2016-02-15 15:38:39] BitMEX_Sam : We're pushing an update, yes
[2016-02-15 15:38:52] BitMEX_Sam : We're rolling it so some of it is still in progress
[2016-02-15 15:39:19] podizzle3k : fill me up buttercup
[2016-02-15 15:39:51] tscha : because my suddenly kept sending orders with total contract value of like 200k... noticed by luck and shut it down
[2016-02-15 15:39:54] tscha : getting a weird error
[2016-02-15 15:39:57] tscha : my bot*
[2016-02-15 15:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Oh, sorry to hear that, make sure you handle errors carefully
[2016-02-15 15:40:30] habibi : lel! :D
[2016-02-15 15:40:40] BitMEX_Sam : Even if we're not doing anything, errors can obviously happen at any time, even if, say, your internet access is temporarily lost
[2016-02-15 15:41:22] tscha : it had to do specifically with the api change, the rest is handled usually
[2016-02-15 15:41:37] odieoh : Bitmex Sam, is there any way that the Active Orders tab could be sortable by each underlying instrument?
[2016-02-15 15:41:53] habibi : odieoh: +1, i asked for that back in time as well :p
[2016-02-15 15:42:12] odieoh : I tend to have a lot of orders spread out, and it's a pain to keep track of
[2016-02-15 15:42:39] messiaen8844 : I am very annoyed by the "Order HIstory " error. It keeps showing "no data", corrects once I refresh but then new orders don't show up.
[2016-02-15 15:43:19] tscha : have to look at the error but it seems to not be able to deserialize the new order object, think I have to add all the new properties and variables
[2016-02-15 15:44:26] BitMEX_Wally : tscha: We have just added some new fields to the order object
[2016-02-15 15:44:46] tscha : yeah, it got confused by that, should handle the error there better, my bad
[2016-02-15 15:44:49] tscha : glad nothing happened
[2016-02-15 15:46:13] BitMEX_Wally : messiaen8844: Let me check
[2016-02-15 15:46:40] habibi : have this all the time as well but gave up as i thought its my browser case
[2016-02-15 15:47:23] tscha : Are you making changes to the api often? If not, it would be cool to announce exact time of when you push the changes
[2016-02-15 15:47:42] BitMEX_Wally : tscha: These changes have been in testnet for 2 months
[2016-02-15 15:47:53] tscha : :)
[2016-02-15 15:47:57] tscha : you got me
[2016-02-15 15:48:06] BitMEX_Wally : In general, the addition of new fields should be ignored
[2016-02-15 16:00:41] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: You around?
[2016-02-15 16:01:33] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Please check your bots' error logs
[2016-02-15 16:01:41] BitMEX_Wally : Seems to be sending `DELETE /api/v1/order {"orderID":""}`
[2016-02-15 16:02:03] mwalshe99 : lol
[2016-02-15 16:03:43] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Ok wise guy, now you're sending `DELETE /api/v1/order {"orderID":","}`
[2016-02-15 16:06:35] tscha : haha
[2016-02-15 16:11:37] BitMEX_Wally : We had an amusing error the other day. One of our monitoring systems reported that BitMEX.com was down
[2016-02-15 16:11:51] BitMEX_Wally : Turns out the price of Bitcoin was 404
[2016-02-15 16:12:02] tscha : lol
[2016-02-15 16:12:03] BitMEX_Wally : and the price appears in the title
[2016-02-15 16:12:12] tscha : that's hilarious
[2016-02-15 16:12:55] BitMEX_Sam : In hindsight, yeah, at the time, but scrambling, trying to figure out why their servers are reporting us down was less fun
[2016-02-15 16:12:58] BitMEX_Wally : Made my day
[2016-02-15 16:20:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.01285
[2016-02-15 16:25:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 50 @ 404.28
[2016-02-15 16:26:39] habibi : new guy turn into bull?
[2016-02-15 16:26:44] habibi : bear* :D
[2016-02-15 16:27:29] thehawthorne : LOL
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 399.22
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 333 @ 399.03
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 100 @ 399.11
[2016-02-15 16:27:38] thehawthorne : love that
[2016-02-15 16:27:53] habibi : wouldnt expect discout these days <3
[2016-02-15 16:28:04] habibi : bots are getting crazy :D?
[2016-02-15 16:28:10] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: new update? :D
[2016-02-15 16:28:42] thehawthorne : crazy shit haha
[2016-02-15 16:28:55] messiaen8844 : 100k orders... Wow
[2016-02-15 16:30:36] rapidtrades : bots are out of commission boys
[2016-02-15 16:30:41] rapidtrades : time to step in :)
[2016-02-15 16:32:21] rapidtrades : dam looks like i missed some nice trades
[2016-02-15 16:38:57] j8 : is this what the markets look like when micmix is offline
[2016-02-15 16:41:56] rapidtrades : feels like Christmas
[2016-02-15 16:45:52] rapidtrades : j8: I think this is what markets look like when bitmex f*cks up the API
[2016-02-15 16:46:29] tscha : they didn't fukk up the api... people just didn't test enough
[2016-02-15 16:46:34] BitMEX_Sam : We didn't make any backwards-incompatible changes
[2016-02-15 16:46:54] BitMEX_Sam : Only new features in this release. Any software hooking up to any API should be able to accept new data without issue so long as the old data hasn't changed
[2016-02-15 16:47:02] BitMEX_Wally : The new API supports bulk order placement so market markers are probably upgrading to use it
[2016-02-15 16:48:23] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: The Order History bug is fixed
[2016-02-15 16:48:30] BitMEX_Sam : As for sortable tables, yes, that's coming soon
[2016-02-15 16:48:39] rapidtrades : wtf is that 399 bid doing there...i bumped into that
[2016-02-15 16:49:13] sleger : when its on the top part its called an offer
[2016-02-15 16:49:18] rapidtrades : aaaand it's gone....a liq?
[2016-02-15 16:49:32] rapidtrades : damit I hate paying fees
[2016-02-15 16:49:34] sleger : i took it (well 30k) but no doesnt seem to be a liq
[2016-02-15 16:50:44] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: there's some glitchy behaviour with the cancel all buttons when switching between contract orders and all orders tabs
[2016-02-15 16:52:21] j8 : when i switch to Active Orders it has Buys and Sells separated, until i click something then it fixes it
[2016-02-15 16:53:00] j8 : and when i switch back to XBT24H Orders it just has one Summary row, and it also fixes when i click something
[2016-02-15 16:54:22] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Sam: thanks. Congrats on the site UI, it feels great and responsive on all my devices, really top notch
[2016-02-15 16:54:39] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks messiaen8844. Big upgrade coming very shortly
[2016-02-15 16:54:59] BitMEX_Sam : j8: I see that as well, thanks
[2016-02-15 16:55:03] BitMEX_Sam : Will push a fix shortly
[2016-02-15 16:56:40] arbitrage001 : huge spread between china and non china
[2016-02-15 16:57:05] rapidtrades : huge? we had $7 between okc usd and finex this morning
[2016-02-15 16:57:09] rapidtrades : shit's wacked
[2016-02-15 16:57:37] arbitrage001 : 18-20 usd a few mins ago
[2016-02-15 16:57:57] sleger : rapid is talking about 0kc usd, you guys about anything-cny
[2016-02-15 16:58:30] arbitrage001 : which is around 4.75%
[2016-02-15 17:00:39] rapidtrades : it's $13...same are as when I checked few hrs ago
[2016-02-15 17:00:50] rapidtrades : chy/usd
[2016-02-15 17:01:08] sleger : rapidtrades: what exchange rate are you using ?
[2016-02-15 17:01:13] arbitrage001 : what rmb rate you use?
[2016-02-15 17:01:22] rapidtrades : oh ffs
[2016-02-15 17:01:28] rapidtrades : okc
[2016-02-15 17:01:34] sleger : lol
[2016-02-15 17:01:34] arbitrage001 : inacurate
[2016-02-15 17:01:39] sleger : same mistake as 2 months ago ?
[2016-02-15 17:02:02] rapidtrades : who cares they're all FAKE FAKE FAKE
[2016-02-15 17:02:26] arbitrage001 : it is not if you do arbitrageg
[2016-02-15 17:02:35] arbitrage001 : arbitrage
[2016-02-15 17:03:00] rapidtrades : u can't arbitrage between two diff currncies... ur speculating on usd/chy staying the same
[2016-02-15 17:03:17] arbitrage001 : reasonable risk
[2016-02-15 17:03:37] arbitrage001 : rmb not going to drop 4-5% over night
[2016-02-15 17:03:49] rapidtrades : yeah it could and it has just last August
[2016-02-15 17:03:53] tradedesk : arbitrage001: not again
[2016-02-15 17:04:56] rapidtrades : sorry for derailing...anyone know the current okc rate?
[2016-02-15 17:05:06] j8 : 6.58 or so
[2016-02-15 17:05:21] j8 : 6.5819
[2016-02-15 17:05:49] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-02-15 17:05:57] j8 : so yeah the futures index should be a couple dollars higher
[2016-02-15 17:06:09] rapidtrades : why higher
[2016-02-15 17:06:46] rapidtrades : nvm i got ti
[2016-02-15 17:06:47] j8 : because it undervalues the chinese exchanges by using a weak cny
[2016-02-15 17:07:02] rapidtrades : well that explains the large premium on futures
[2016-02-15 17:07:17] j8 : yes
[2016-02-15 17:07:35] j8 : maybe
[2016-02-15 17:07:48] rapidtrades : chinese could be fomoing again...or some pboc got the news for a devaluation...first one more likely
[2016-02-15 17:08:33] arbitrage001 : traders dont trade on rumor
[2016-02-15 17:08:40] arbitrage001 : or would be event
[2016-02-15 17:08:55] rapidtrades : yeah they do, all the f time
[2016-02-15 17:09:08] j8 : 3% premium on okc quarterly is pretty typical on a run up like this
[2016-02-15 17:09:15] rapidtrades : what run up
[2016-02-15 17:09:16] arbitrage001 : reason why 95% blow up the first year?
[2016-02-15 17:09:25] j8 : the last couple days
[2016-02-15 17:09:32] rapidtrades : it's only $20
[2016-02-15 17:09:52] arbitrage001 : 20 is a lot if you know what you are doing
[2016-02-15 17:10:06] j8 : and it's only 3%
[2016-02-15 17:10:09] arbitrage001 : 5%
[2016-02-15 17:10:18] rapidtrades : $20 is usually not enough for that high of a premium on futures
[2016-02-15 17:10:37] arbitrage001 : i am talking spot price arbitrage
[2016-02-15 17:11:01] rapidtrades : well finex usually leads
[2016-02-15 17:11:31] j8 : ok so you take half a percent off for the cny rate
[2016-02-15 17:11:56] arbitrage001 : why half a percent?
[2016-02-15 17:12:16] rapidtrades : i get it now...it was weird earlier to see $13 premium on March
[2016-02-15 17:12:23] j8 : because the rate is off by around 1 percent, and the index is 50% cny pairs
[2016-02-15 17:12:34] rapidtrades : when we were at $380 there was 0 premium
[2016-02-15 17:12:52] rapidtrades : matched spot at one point...made a big mistake not bailing there
[2016-02-15 17:14:30] rapidtrades : still net long overall but hate being long Yuan
[2016-02-15 17:14:43] j8 : sentiment was really bad for a while, it just didn't go down
[2016-02-15 17:15:09] podizzle3k : can we get a CORE / CLASSIC futures 3M market plz
[2016-02-15 17:15:20] podizzle3k : thats gonna be a fun one
[2016-02-15 17:15:39] rapidtrades : finex/okc gap now only 78 cents
[2016-02-15 17:15:44] tradedesk : podizzle3k: my first million :D
[2016-02-15 17:24:04] rapidtrades : shkreli is going a pharmaceuticals class on stream LOLL
[2016-02-15 17:30:08] tscha : I always wondered what kind of people are watching this guy's channel... now I know
[2016-02-15 17:30:35] podizzle3k : he always does those hangouts
[2016-02-15 17:30:40] podizzle3k : lots of hot girls join in
[2016-02-15 17:30:50] podizzle3k : trying to gold dig him while pretending to be interested in cheistry
[2016-02-15 17:31:05] podizzle3k : martins a genius i cant wait for his album
[2016-02-15 17:31:39] tscha : how is he a genius? his life sucks
[2016-02-15 17:31:48] BitMEX_Sam : He's like the Joffrey Baratheon of the real world
[2016-02-15 17:31:53] BitMEX_Sam : Everyone loves to hate him... it's great
[2016-02-15 17:32:37] sleger : i really really dont hate him
[2016-02-15 17:34:00] j8 : what if sleger == shkreli
[2016-02-15 17:34:45] sleger : i can prove I am not : my pseudo will chat here next time I insult congress on live TV ;)
[2016-02-15 17:34:48] djuan : nah sleger is too nice to be that douche bag
[2016-02-15 17:36:46] tscha : I don't hate him either. I don't even dislike him. I just feel sorry for people who would trade with Sheen / Shkreli / Bilzerian or any famous person, and think their life is great.
[2016-02-15 17:37:03] tscha : In fact, Shkreli had a really cool life before he fukked up. Nobody knew him and he had a ton of money.
[2016-02-15 17:37:50] rapidtrades : he just got a date cos some chick recognized him on the street...there are perks to fame
[2016-02-15 17:38:02] tscha : You don't need to be famous to pick up chicks
[2016-02-15 17:38:26] messiaen8844 : djuan: almost read your nick as DAQUAN lololol
[2016-02-15 17:38:34] rapidtrades : but u need to be famous to GET PICKED UP
[2016-02-15 17:38:42] tscha : Nah, you don't
[2016-02-15 17:38:49] rapidtrades : as a guy yes u do sir
[2016-02-15 17:38:55] tscha : maybe in the US :)
[2016-02-15 17:39:09] rapidtrades : i live in europe...
[2016-02-15 17:40:04] tscha : Yeah, Bukarest right? :D
[2016-02-15 17:40:47] djuan : messiaen8844: lol ?
[2016-02-15 17:40:47] rapidtrades : nah i was just visiting in Autumn
[2016-02-15 17:40:50] Tulip_stefan : 5% sounds a lot, but how are you going to get money out of china?
[2016-02-15 17:41:08] Tulip_stefan : nevermind, the chat box was scrolled way up..
[2016-02-15 17:41:47] rapidtrades : i read that as Budapest.... @tscha
[2016-02-15 17:42:12] habibi : Tulip_stefan: sepa but still u need to pay about 1% for whole money procedure
[2016-02-15 17:42:16] habibi : withdraw
[2016-02-15 17:42:29] sleger : habibi: sepa in china ???
[2016-02-15 17:43:52] Tulip_stefan : 1% is a lot for a few sepa transactions. Kraken charges only a few cents. But yeah, sepa in china?
[2016-02-15 17:44:27] mrp1nk : fyi, SEPA = Single Euro Payments Area
[2016-02-15 17:44:43] habibi : right my bad
[2016-02-15 17:44:46] mrp1nk : :-)
[2016-02-15 17:45:01] sleger : if you have no idea then dont just write the stupidest things
[2016-02-15 17:45:14] mrp1nk : and btw. whats wrong with XBT24H. premium gone?
[2016-02-15 17:46:06] mrp1nk : even negative premium
[2016-02-15 17:46:13] habibi : totally agree, need some sleep
[2016-02-15 17:46:46] j8 : me too. i've been up for around 30 hours
[2016-02-15 17:47:03] sleger : because bitcoin just moved a bit ?
[2016-02-15 17:47:22] j8 : kind of by accident, i stayed up late enough that it was morning
[2016-02-15 17:48:05] j8 : and lately i've been sleeping through alarms, and i had a big position on
[2016-02-15 17:48:29] mrp1nk : usually: the price is approx. bfx price + 2$
[2016-02-15 17:48:54] mrp1nk : (very roughly)
[2016-02-15 17:51:54] sleger : but the index is not bifx
[2016-02-15 17:54:35] tradedesk : and bfx is not always same weight
[2016-02-15 17:55:01] mrp1nk : thought bfx is heavily weighted thats why
[2016-02-15 17:55:09] mrp1nk : because volume
[2016-02-15 17:55:16] tradedesk : https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2016-02-15 17:55:22] tradedesk : true, volume counts
[2016-02-15 17:55:51] mrp1nk : thx
[2016-02-15 17:56:05] mrp1nk : 56.90%
[2016-02-15 17:56:33] mrp1nk : so its reasonable to look at bfx imo
[2016-02-15 17:57:06] mrp1nk : $403.15 still negative premium
[2016-02-15 17:57:07] tradedesk : for spot price, not for price perdiction (imo) they are gamblers
[2016-02-15 17:57:10] sleger : yes but the "premium" vs finex is not constant because of many reasons, but the main one being that finex is not the index
[2016-02-15 18:00:46] tradedesk : so what does bfx tell you? dump now or continue up?
[2016-02-15 18:01:29] mrp1nk : the direction of the futures
[2016-02-15 18:01:29] tradedesk : i remember that most bfx traders follow okc, so shouldn't we look at that exchange?
[2016-02-15 18:01:39] mrp1nk : i look at that too
[2016-02-15 18:02:21] mrp1nk : (CNY index to be precise)
[2016-02-15 18:03:20] j8 : die
[2016-02-15 18:03:23] j8 : lol
[2016-02-15 18:03:29] j8 : i did not mean to type that
[2016-02-15 18:03:44] mrp1nk : @tradedesk: mainly the TA
[2016-02-15 18:05:55] tradedesk : TA is great for validating trend reversal. i use RSI a lot on spot and the 20x's
[2016-02-15 18:11:18] mrp1nk : i fully agree
[2016-02-15 18:15:38] rapidtrades : so $2.64 discount
[2016-02-15 18:15:42] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-02-15 18:15:45] rapidtrades : for real
[2016-02-15 18:16:07] mrp1nk : bot bearish
[2016-02-15 18:16:07] tradedesk : @rapidtrades useless can't short it, can't long it
[2016-02-15 18:16:40] mrp1nk : ore someone building up a huge short position
[2016-02-15 18:17:54] habibi : liquidity provider :)
[2016-02-15 18:18:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.01257
[2016-02-15 18:20:36] Tulip_stefan : hahahaha TA.
[2016-02-15 18:20:46] rapidtrades : shut up stefan
[2016-02-15 18:22:43] Tulip_stefan : its just that, i haven't seen any actual evidence that TA works better than a dice roll.
[2016-02-15 18:22:50] Tulip_stefan : if i would i would have automated it already.
[2016-02-15 18:23:27] rapidtrades : doesn't ur bot follow prior price action? highs lows
[2016-02-15 18:23:28] mrp1nk : are you talking about bitcoin or in general?
[2016-02-15 18:23:45] Tulip_stefan : in general, mostly.
[2016-02-15 18:24:26] Tulip_stefan : part of the problem is that TA is notoriously hard to backtest.
[2016-02-15 18:24:56] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: talking about spot, not 100x's
[2016-02-15 18:25:31] tradedesk : most wicks go to MA45 on the 5-30 min charts (easy money)
[2016-02-15 18:26:00] Tulip_stefan : yeah. As for 100x, that's what i call arbitrage not TA.
[2016-02-15 18:26:43] tradedesk : i don't get how to do arbitrage, isn't that buying cheap on exchange 1, sell expensive on exchange 2?
[2016-02-15 18:26:56] rapidtrades : got it
[2016-02-15 18:27:07] micmix : BitMEX_Wally, BitMEX_Sam: have no idea why the bot was sending DELETE with empty orderIDs. it could have happen _only_ if BitMEX didn't return orderID from the POST order call
[2016-02-15 18:27:34] podizzle3k : wow does that say 395 in recent trades
[2016-02-15 18:27:34] podizzle3k : wow
[2016-02-15 18:27:37] habibi : 395
[2016-02-15 18:27:45] habibi : yayks
[2016-02-15 18:27:56] tradedesk : someone got lucky
[2016-02-15 18:28:11] habibi : heh look now at 395 :D 115k to that lvl
[2016-02-15 18:28:36] habibi : lets make some record on open interest
[2016-02-15 18:29:11] Tulip_stefan : arbitrage is when you buy somewhere and sell somewhere else, with the expectation that the price delta between the 2 exchanges moves in your favor.
[2016-02-15 18:31:33] tradedesk : how do you do that with futures and forwards?
[2016-02-15 18:31:42] tradedesk : can't sell your 100x on bitfinex
[2016-02-15 18:31:49] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: doesn't ur bot take past price to predict future price
[2016-02-15 18:31:51] habibi : anyway looks to me like someone using market sell orders
[2016-02-15 18:32:39] rapidtrades : god bless his stupid soul @habibi
[2016-02-15 18:33:01] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: yeah it does. Obviously.
[2016-02-15 18:33:06] habibi : but he actually open more positions as open interest increasing all time
[2016-02-15 18:35:08] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/technicalanalysis.asp
[2016-02-15 18:56:15] laisee : Bitcoin Classic node count just hit 1001.
[2016-02-15 18:56:28] rapidtrades : noone cares
[2016-02-15 18:56:58] tradedesk : actual nodes or the spoofed version?
[2016-02-15 18:57:34] laisee : tradedesk: how could you tell?
[2016-02-15 18:58:00] tradedesk : you can't but most ppl do not know they exist :)
[2016-02-15 18:58:37] laisee : can connect and see what network services are supprted.
[2016-02-15 18:59:09] laisee : anyway, hashing power is what counts and thats still to come.
[2016-02-15 18:59:12] tradedesk : i tought PseudoNodes forward requests
[2016-02-15 19:03:33] messiaen8844 : Classic folks getting desparate
[2016-02-15 19:03:49] laisee : not sure what PseudoNodes do, but fakes nodes won't help when blocks needs to be mined to provoke a fork.
[2016-02-15 19:04:13] tradedesk : its a hard fork, only one node needed
[2016-02-15 19:04:14] habibi : its all about what nodes miners use
[2016-02-15 19:04:36] habibi : so fake nodes or not doesnt mean in case of fork