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[2016-02-14 20:44:29] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah, there are
[2016-02-14 20:47:11] habibi : Tulip_stefan: nature of mm on 24h, he makes uses 6k contracts so people buy 6k :)
[2016-02-14 20:47:28] Tulip_stefan : hmm yeah good point.
[2016-02-14 20:47:56] Tulip_stefan : i was thinking that it was the MM itself that was liquidated, but it doesn't make sense to open in isolated margin as a MM....
[2016-02-14 21:18:43] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 267 @ 0.01266
[2016-02-14 21:19:13] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 67 @ 0.01278
[2016-02-14 22:12:21] tscha : this is going to be a crazy week
[2016-02-14 22:14:55] habibi : hopefully u right
[2016-02-14 22:15:20] tscha : next 8 weeks = big volume
[2016-02-14 22:15:51] tscha : lot of lapdances for arthur when he collects all the fees
[2016-02-14 22:18:40] Tulip_stefan : bah i was hoping to complete my bot tonight but i need at least a few days extra to research price patterns on this exchange :(
[2016-02-14 22:18:47] Tulip_stefan : not going to happen before friday.
[2016-02-14 22:22:00] habibi : when there is no fomo on spots, here it is, where there is fomo on spots, here u have ideal premium to arb. much often premium then discount.
[2016-02-14 22:23:23] Tulip_stefan : yeah, that's what i just discovered :P
[2016-02-14 22:27:16] Tulip_stefan : i'm still confused about the premium. People here are more likely to go long than short. But for what reason exactly?
[2016-02-14 22:29:03] habibi : quantoo contract structure
[2016-02-14 22:29:58] habibi : https://blog.bitmex.com/xbt-vs-xbu-chain/
[2016-02-14 22:31:04] Tulip_stefan : that doesn't explain most of the stuff i see on my charts.
[2016-02-14 22:31:15] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 22901 @ 407.10 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-14 22:31:18] sleger : 0kc also has premium most of the time
[2016-02-14 22:32:44] Tulip_stefan : year i should research that too.
[2016-02-14 22:32:54] Tulip_stefan : let me check book my next weekend also :P
[2016-02-14 22:33:01] habibi : premium is the nature of bitcoin traders
[2016-02-14 22:33:06] habibi : they see milions everywhere
[2016-02-14 22:33:57] Tulip_stefan : yeah that's true.
[2016-02-14 22:36:11] lockhedge : it's a mixture of 3 reasons: - cost of carry - quanto - XBX is not used as reference price
[2016-02-14 22:38:28] j8 : and leverage / liquidity effects
[2016-02-14 23:10:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3499 @ 405.03
[2016-02-14 23:15:27] sleger : lockhedge: the 3rd reason makes no sense
[2016-02-14 23:15:49] sleger : the first one is almost irrelevant
[2016-02-14 23:16:09] sleger : quanto is mostly relevant for longer term contracts or in high vol regime
[2016-02-14 23:16:17] sleger : leverage is reason #1
[2016-02-14 23:19:24] lockhedge : sleger: XBX is an index that aims to soften price movements, so it makes sense to not follow XBX but get faster updating information from the market, e.g. use Bitfinex. you will see that XBX follows Bitfinex and not the other way around.
[2016-02-14 23:25:27] Tulip_stefan : let me test that. gime 2 min.
[2016-02-14 23:27:46] Tulip_stefan : as it turns out i already tested it. The same anomalies hold against my index.
[2016-02-14 23:40:45] sleger : lockhedge: sure but on average the premium is not due to the indez
[2016-02-14 23:42:07] sleger : and yes im not using the index at all to quote here
[2016-02-14 23:42:49] Tulip_stefan : not at all?
[2016-02-14 23:44:21] sleger : no
[2016-02-14 23:45:20] sleger : it may only make sense maybe the last hour before settlement but i do something else there
[2016-02-14 23:46:35] micmix : why would you quote using index? it's lagging the market
[2016-02-14 23:48:16] sleger : micmix: you're asking the tulips guy right ?
[2016-02-14 23:48:24] micmix : yes
[2016-02-14 23:48:32] sleger : btw crazy thing that 0kcoin didnt put their FIX api to futures market right ?
[2016-02-14 23:49:33] micmix : that's very weird. I tried the standard way with MaturityMonthYear, doesn't seem to work :-(
[2016-02-14 23:49:33] Tulip_stefan : I was just wondering what your opinion was. I kind of already knew the answer.
[2016-02-14 23:50:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 1400 @ 409.09
[2016-02-14 23:50:19] micmix : sleger: did they answer your support request?
[2016-02-14 23:51:00] sleger : micmix: not yet
[2016-02-14 23:51:21] sleger : micmix: their API doc although limited is pretty clear, instrument has to be btc/usd or ltc/usd
[2016-02-14 23:51:49] micmix : yeah, seems to indicate that the futures are not on FIX
[2016-02-14 23:52:28] micmix : sorry for misleading you earlier, I was sure we are using FIX for everything :-(
[2016-02-14 23:53:00] sleger : yeah no worries, well i will use it for spot now i did the work
[2016-02-14 23:53:14] sleger : hopefully they will add it soon, i will ask
[2016-02-14 23:53:44] sleger : i'll just load balance to rest when Websockets are busy
[2016-02-15 00:00:06] micmix : Tulip_stefan: did you get api-expires to work? I'm using nonce for websocket connect only and api-expires for all other requests, no problems with nonce collisions
[2016-02-15 00:02:15] sleger : i saw it worked
[2016-02-15 00:18:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 38524 @ 411.33 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-15 00:18:58] habibi : shit son
[2016-02-15 00:19:58] tscha : Tulip_stefan: what language are you coding in?
[2016-02-15 00:20:11] MarketQ : Anyone here using HAAS bo
[2016-02-15 00:20:13] MarketQ : haas bot
[2016-02-15 00:22:18] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 4000 @ 414.12
[2016-02-15 00:22:47] sleger : so china cash hit the exchange today ?
[2016-02-15 00:22:48] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 951 @ 413.14
[2016-02-15 00:22:51] habibi : yep
[2016-02-15 00:22:55] habibi : and finex as well
[2016-02-15 00:23:14] sleger : thats just gonna come down once they wasted all their cash then
[2016-02-15 00:23:28] habibi : its a process
[2016-02-15 00:23:53] habibi : and after that long consolidation we can have some nice movements now
[2016-02-15 00:24:19] habibi : and shorts are being liquidated on okc so funny to watch this
[2016-02-15 00:33:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3410 @ 410.19
[2016-02-15 00:35:04] sleger : premium on 0kc has been very controlled, there is no short squeeze happening yet
[2016-02-15 00:36:47] habibi : sleger: that 4k http://scr.hu/9xvi/b80y7 were a liq or controlled getting out but still moved short margin used from 65% to 56%
[2016-02-15 00:37:31] sleger : 4k isnt that much for 0kc
[2016-02-15 00:38:15] habibi : true but still some nice wick loking back at these days
[2016-02-15 00:47:19] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 300 @ 409.87
[2016-02-15 01:32:50] habibi : ah nice premium here
[2016-02-15 01:33:50] habibi : sleger did u took that longer guy?
[2016-02-15 01:37:23] habibi : rapidtrades: good day for arb right?
[2016-02-15 01:38:27] tscha : it's the one one guy pushing
[2016-02-15 01:38:42] habibi : yep
[2016-02-15 01:39:03] habibi : from time to time we have such events here and sometimes guys like him wins sometimes margin call for 250k :D
[2016-02-15 01:39:20] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah we've seem some big liqs in the last month.
[2016-02-15 01:39:48] habibi : yep guy lost around 50 btc that day in my calculations
[2016-02-15 01:39:58] habibi : or even more
[2016-02-15 01:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Yeah that's what I remember as well
[2016-02-15 01:42:11] stevelim : that bid @ 407.79 is resisting.
[2016-02-15 01:42:38] habibi : people already did arb, sleger is away so noone is taking it ;p
[2016-02-15 01:52:35] j8 : that's the leverage vs. liquidity factor. big arb opportunities but the liquidity gets exhausted
[2016-02-15 01:54:10] habibi : liq and violatily as well imo
[2016-02-15 01:55:08] rapidtrades : j8: haven't taken the arb yet
[2016-02-15 01:55:25] habibi : u had like 6$ premium at the time
[2016-02-15 01:55:35] rapidtrades : well I would've taken that :)
[2016-02-15 01:55:39] j8 : yeah, anything beyond 1 or 2 % is hard to justify with volatility
[2016-02-15 01:55:42] j8 : on the daily
[2016-02-15 01:58:09] j8 : but then again it's implied volatility, everyone has their ideas about that
[2016-02-15 01:59:26] rapidtrades : still waiting for okc/finex to trade closer
[2016-02-15 02:05:49] rapidtrades : don't get why finex/coinbase are still so low
[2016-02-15 02:06:14] rapidtrades : even btc-e have been trading higher past week
[2016-02-15 02:33:57] chromaticcr : hmm... nothing interesting on CNY or CNH after the new year
[2016-02-15 03:06:43] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 187 @ 0.01406
[2016-02-15 03:08:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 180 @ 0.01423
[2016-02-15 03:09:59] XBT_IHCT : Hi, does anyone know how to reset the chart?
[2016-02-15 03:25:42] odieoh : bitmex sam, are you there?
[2016-02-15 03:25:58] odieoh : or bitmex anyone
[2016-02-15 04:01:34] ikurilin : any idea what is going on ? Chinese are back to the market or what ?
[2016-02-15 04:05:51] BitMEX_Sam : odieoh: I'm here, what's the issue?
[2016-02-15 04:06:21] BitMEX_Sam : XBT_IHCT: You can right-click the chart and click 'Reset Chart', otherwise the best way to reset it completely is to open a console and type `localStorage.clear()`, then refresh
[2016-02-15 04:11:14] XBT_IHCT : BitMEX_Sam: nice... but I get "undefined" in chrome's console when I enter that though?
[2016-02-15 04:16:45] BitMEX_Sam : That's fine, that's expected
[2016-02-15 04:16:52] BitMEX_Sam : If you refresh you should have a fully reset chart
[2016-02-15 04:24:26] XBT_IHCT : nice one, thanks Sam
[2016-02-15 06:46:12] Tulip_stefan : tscha: i use C++ with Qt't libraries for networking and websocket. I also use that for a backtesting/trade visualization tool, and i use python for quick tests involving less than a few hundred MB of data.
[2016-02-15 06:49:38] rapidtrades : $4 gap between okc and finex...just greeaaaaat
[2016-02-15 06:50:06] Tulip_stefan : why do you care? Because of the index?
[2016-02-15 06:50:29] rapidtrades : cos im short on okc and long on finexx
[2016-02-15 06:51:34] Tulip_stefan : hmm yea that was to be expected, okcoin has been at 'outlier' on xbx index for a while now.
[2016-02-15 06:52:49] rapidtrades : ''for a while now''
[2016-02-15 06:52:54] rapidtrades : like the last 10 days?
[2016-02-15 06:54:13] Tulip_stefan : i'm just eyeballing the chary, but 5-10 days yeah.
[2016-02-15 06:56:07] j8 : and btc/cny went the wrong way on a stronger yuan
[2016-02-15 06:56:28] rapidtrades : more proof that bitcoin traders are stupid
[2016-02-15 07:04:03] Tulip_stefan : maybe they are less stupid than you would think and is there a real reason for the price difference.
[2016-02-15 07:04:20] rapidtrades : pleb plz...
[2016-02-15 07:12:22] djuan : dodie son?
[2016-02-15 07:12:54] djuan : ah bless
[2016-02-15 07:49:12] odieoh : Any bitmex people on?
[2016-02-15 08:16:02] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4000 @ 406.33
[2016-02-15 08:27:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 1 @ 407.58 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-15 09:49:37] rapidtrades : http://www.businessinsider.com/martin-shkreli-might-have-been-scammed-out-of-15-million-for-kanyes-new-album-2016-2
[2016-02-15 09:52:03] habibi : rapidtrades: rofl! :D
[2016-02-15 09:54:35] rapidtrades : Also, idiots, I've gotten in touch with Sitoshi (Bitcoin's creator) and he's agreed to help me get my money back. I always win.
[2016-02-15 09:55:28] j8 : he's hilarious. 100% internet troll
[2016-02-15 09:55:52] habibi : yea looking too much suspicious from his twitter account, noone can be that stupid
[2016-02-15 09:57:14] laisee : kanye needs attention.
[2016-02-15 09:57:23] tradedesk : some kind of marketing if you ask me
[2016-02-15 09:58:24] rapidtrades : he likes attention that's for sure
[2016-02-15 09:59:03] j8 : have you seen his youtube channel
[2016-02-15 09:59:10] rapidtrades : not yet :)
[2016-02-15 09:59:34] j8 : he live streams himself at his computer doing whatever.. for like 8 hours at a time
[2016-02-15 10:00:30] j8 : there's a whole cult of people that hang out in the chat..
[2016-02-15 10:01:21] rapidtrades : youtube has chat now?
[2016-02-15 10:01:39] j8 : apparently, for live streams
[2016-02-15 10:01:51] rapidtrades : that's cool
[2016-02-15 10:03:53] habibi : so big longer get fucks again
[2016-02-15 10:03:57] habibi : love that <3
[2016-02-15 10:05:47] habibi : i mean no offence, just that kind of playing ruin a bit volatility here as price dont go in panic mode down just coz of big bid taking all
[2016-02-15 10:05:54] habibi : here*
[2016-02-15 10:06:39] j8 : i don't mind
[2016-02-15 10:06:40] rapidtrades : habibi: that sentence made literally zero sense
[2016-02-15 10:06:53] habibi : rapidtrades: why?
[2016-02-15 10:07:06] rapidtrades : j8: I minded 10 mins ago...cos I didn't hedge my arb
[2016-02-15 10:07:16] rapidtrades : looks like it was the right call now
[2016-02-15 10:07:23] j8 : then it's not an arb :)
[2016-02-15 10:07:31] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-15 10:07:45] rapidtrades : my only option is to buy okc at 408....f that
[2016-02-15 10:09:07] j8 : yeah, the more options the better. no finex?
[2016-02-15 10:09:29] rapidtrades : j8: bought all I could...waiting for okc/finex gap to close
[2016-02-15 10:10:14] j8 : right. i never trade okc spot but that gap is pretty big
[2016-02-15 10:10:20] rapidtrades : guess i could do futures
[2016-02-15 10:11:15] rapidtrades : j8: yeah rolllover is a b1tch...last time I arb on margin
[2016-02-15 10:13:29] j8 : margin is expensive but trading fees are a bit cheaper
[2016-02-15 10:14:37] j8 : you say it's minimum 1 day that you get charged for eh
[2016-02-15 10:16:44] rapidtrades : yeah okc is min 1 day
[2016-02-15 10:17:08] rapidtrades : also theere is no functioning btc lending market, rate to short starts at 0.1%
[2016-02-15 10:18:12] rapidtrades : I tried placing a bid to reserve cheaper, was on top for almost two days with no fill
[2016-02-15 10:18:28] rapidtrades : I think okc controls that market
[2016-02-15 10:20:01] rapidtrades : doesn't look like it's user-driven lending lke on finex
[2016-02-15 10:20:26] j8 : yeah that's what i figured
[2016-02-15 10:22:02] rapidtrades : $2.3 1 hour before settlement
[2016-02-15 10:22:07] rapidtrades : so tempting
[2016-02-15 10:22:16] rapidtrades : well 1h before calc
[2016-02-15 10:23:58] j8 : always bugs me when i take the premium early in the day and i could have just waited until now
[2016-02-15 10:24:29] rapidtrades : yeah all the risk for nothing :)
[2016-02-15 10:29:46] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 25 @ 404.64
[2016-02-15 10:30:20] Satah : where are Bitmex servers allocated? China?
[2016-02-15 10:30:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 200 @ 404.54
[2016-02-15 10:31:20] j8 : think this guy's gonna get rekt before settlement
[2016-02-15 10:31:25] j8 : ?
[2016-02-15 10:31:37] rapidtrades : hope so :)
[2016-02-15 10:32:15] rapidtrades : crash into settlement then a monster rally would be perrrrrfect
[2016-02-15 10:32:18] habibi : nah probally took way more protection this time
[2016-02-15 10:33:12] rapidtrades : how can u ''take protection'' when u buy at premium?
[2016-02-15 10:33:26] j8 : oh look who's back
[2016-02-15 10:33:36] rapidtrades : holy shit
[2016-02-15 10:33:39] rapidtrades : is he srs
[2016-02-15 10:33:49] rapidtrades : he'll get r*ped
[2016-02-15 10:34:06] j8 : heard us talking about him
[2016-02-15 10:34:08] tradedesk : am i missing something? settlement in an hour right?
[2016-02-15 10:34:13] rapidtrades : yeah
[2016-02-15 10:34:14] habibi : rapidtrades: by protection i mean much bigger account funds than needed for his position
[2016-02-15 10:34:21] rapidtrades : ah ok
[2016-02-15 10:34:28] habibi : tshh maybe he dont know that
[2016-02-15 10:34:36] tradedesk : why would he buy now? last minute pump?
[2016-02-15 10:34:42] tradedesk : ah ok :)
[2016-02-15 10:34:50] rapidtrades : he's trying to push us out? idk lol
[2016-02-15 10:35:03] Satah : or it's Hong Kong?
[2016-02-15 10:35:20] habibi : ah sleger is not online
[2016-02-15 10:35:25] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-15 10:35:36] habibi : thats why that walls survives so long :D
[2016-02-15 10:36:11] tradedesk : does xbt settle at index price or local bitmex average?
[2016-02-15 10:36:23] rapidtrades : index...gray price
[2016-02-15 10:36:31] tradedesk : lolz
[2016-02-15 10:39:16] rapidtrades : aaaaaand he gave up
[2016-02-15 10:39:29] habibi : dont worry
[2016-02-15 10:39:32] habibi : he'll be back :D
[2016-02-15 10:39:53] habibi : in case we dont shot up before settlement he will need to play to make back his loss
[2016-02-15 10:39:57] rapidtrades : I also sold more lol
[2016-02-15 10:40:01] habibi : same
[2016-02-15 10:40:11] rapidtrades : almost*
[2016-02-15 10:46:29] rapidtrades : yuan at 6.49...chinese keep buying at premium
[2016-02-15 10:54:10] micmix : did someone buy all my bot's bids @ $2-$3 premium?
[2016-02-15 10:54:18] habibi : micmix: right
[2016-02-15 10:54:23] habibi : we have new guy!
[2016-02-15 10:54:24] habibi : :)
[2016-02-15 10:54:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1500 @ 404.17
[2016-02-15 10:54:38] rapidtrades : micmix: WHAT
[2016-02-15 10:55:03] micmix : sorry, bought my asks
[2016-02-15 10:56:11] rapidtrades : welll shit
[2016-02-15 10:56:30] micmix : and now I have a big short
[2016-02-15 10:57:01] rapidtrades : bloody hell
[2016-02-15 10:57:17] micmix : ok
[2016-02-15 10:58:52] micmix : someone sold a bit of coin, not a big deal
[2016-02-15 10:59:59] rapidtrades : ok I'm back in after my other short got insta tp-ed
[2016-02-15 11:01:55] micmix : no worries, we'll be back to $380 area in no time
[2016-02-15 11:02:29] rapidtrades : I'm net long so that would suck balls...
[2016-02-15 11:02:44] rapidtrades : only short here for the premium :)
[2016-02-15 11:04:11] micmix : I'm good now, XBT24H position -1 contract :-)
[2016-02-15 11:04:37] rapidtrades : lol
[2016-02-15 11:04:49] rapidtrades : it's a wild ride that's for sure
[2016-02-15 11:16:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 5530 @ 400.81
[2016-02-15 11:19:59] rapidtrades : and there goes the premium :)
[2016-02-15 11:22:20] habibi : new guy capitulated :(?
[2016-02-15 11:24:51] rapidtrades : cmon calc...let's lockin this price
[2016-02-15 11:28:03] habibi : 330k
[2016-02-15 11:28:04] habibi : nice
[2016-02-15 11:28:07] habibi : open interest
[2016-02-15 11:28:37] rapidtrades : gonna be a crazy settlment
[2016-02-15 11:35:04] messiaen8844 : Looking forward to A50 futures and Bitcoin Euro hedging. Nice stuff coming judging from the testnetMex
[2016-02-15 11:36:12] rapidtrades : wtf is a50
[2016-02-15 11:36:34] HowDoge : pretty decent road in the UK
[2016-02-15 11:37:48] rapidtrades : cmon longs...close into ma bids before price falls again
[2016-02-15 11:38:10] messiaen8844 : Future price of FSTE China
[2016-02-15 11:40:08] rapidtrades : hope they have their legal bases covered :)
[2016-02-15 11:43:20] messiaen8844 : They were talking about that the other day, seems fine with BTC only
[2016-02-15 11:44:38] messiaen8844 : I am still surprised at the guy buying tons of 24H at premium in this choppy zone
[2016-02-15 11:45:13] rapidtrades : lot of new ppl here lately
[2016-02-15 11:46:54] messiaen8844 : Not enough liquidity for that ammount of contracts I think.
[2016-02-15 11:49:59] habibi : close ur longs, save fees
[2016-02-15 11:50:03] zanza : man i lost some on USDCNH
[2016-02-15 11:52:41] rapidtrades : sucks man
[2016-02-15 12:00:25] rapidtrades : lol instant premium
[2016-02-15 12:02:50] rapidtrades : well this was a good day
[2016-02-15 12:03:09] habibi : thx new guy
[2016-02-15 12:03:35] rapidtrades : i need to go and eat
[2016-02-15 12:08:46] rapidtrades : he's already buying everything
[2016-02-15 12:09:02] habibi : i told u, he wanna makes his loss back:)
[2016-02-15 12:09:34] j8 : this is why you buy the weekly instead
[2016-02-15 12:09:59] habibi : j8: tsssch
[2016-02-15 12:09:59] habibi : pls
[2016-02-15 12:10:02] habibi : 24h is more fun
[2016-02-15 12:10:28] rapidtrades : how do u buy 7d when it was $7 spread
[2016-02-15 12:10:45] habibi : rapidtrades: nah, there is mm that sometimes goes off for a while
[2016-02-15 12:11:02] j8 : usually around $1 spread
[2016-02-15 12:11:11] rapidtrades : new guy stay on 24h, more leverage
[2016-02-15 12:11:13] habibi : j8: are u mm there right?
[2016-02-15 12:11:29] j8 : no, i'm not running any bots yet
[2016-02-15 12:11:56] j8 : but i do trade everything, pretty much every day
[2016-02-15 12:12:12] rapidtrades : ah
[2016-02-15 12:12:19] rapidtrades : God bless America
[2016-02-15 12:12:23] rapidtrades : and no place else
[2016-02-15 12:24:27] j8 : canada, and atheist, so whatever
[2016-02-15 12:28:39] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 2022 @ 405.41
[2016-02-15 15:37:57] tscha : Did API get changed right now?
[2016-02-15 15:38:39] BitMEX_Sam : We're pushing an update, yes
[2016-02-15 15:38:52] BitMEX_Sam : We're rolling it so some of it is still in progress
[2016-02-15 15:39:19] podizzle3k : fill me up buttercup
[2016-02-15 15:39:51] tscha : because my suddenly kept sending orders with total contract value of like 200k... noticed by luck and shut it down
[2016-02-15 15:39:54] tscha : getting a weird error
[2016-02-15 15:39:57] tscha : my bot*
[2016-02-15 15:40:10] BitMEX_Sam : Oh, sorry to hear that, make sure you handle errors carefully
[2016-02-15 15:40:30] habibi : lel! :D
[2016-02-15 15:40:40] BitMEX_Sam : Even if we're not doing anything, errors can obviously happen at any time, even if, say, your internet access is temporarily lost
[2016-02-15 15:41:22] tscha : it had to do specifically with the api change, the rest is handled usually
[2016-02-15 15:41:37] odieoh : Bitmex Sam, is there any way that the Active Orders tab could be sortable by each underlying instrument?
[2016-02-15 15:41:53] habibi : odieoh: +1, i asked for that back in time as well :p
[2016-02-15 15:42:12] odieoh : I tend to have a lot of orders spread out, and it's a pain to keep track of
[2016-02-15 15:42:39] messiaen8844 : I am very annoyed by the "Order HIstory " error. It keeps showing "no data", corrects once I refresh but then new orders don't show up.
[2016-02-15 15:43:19] tscha : have to look at the error but it seems to not be able to deserialize the new order object, think I have to add all the new properties and variables
[2016-02-15 15:44:26] BitMEX_Wally : tscha: We have just added some new fields to the order object
[2016-02-15 15:44:46] tscha : yeah, it got confused by that, should handle the error there better, my bad
[2016-02-15 15:44:49] tscha : glad nothing happened
[2016-02-15 15:46:13] BitMEX_Wally : messiaen8844: Let me check
[2016-02-15 15:46:40] habibi : have this all the time as well but gave up as i thought its my browser case
[2016-02-15 15:47:23] tscha : Are you making changes to the api often? If not, it would be cool to announce exact time of when you push the changes
[2016-02-15 15:47:42] BitMEX_Wally : tscha: These changes have been in testnet for 2 months
[2016-02-15 15:47:53] tscha : :)
[2016-02-15 15:47:57] tscha : you got me
[2016-02-15 15:48:06] BitMEX_Wally : In general, the addition of new fields should be ignored
[2016-02-15 16:00:41] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: You around?
[2016-02-15 16:01:33] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Please check your bots' error logs
[2016-02-15 16:01:41] BitMEX_Wally : Seems to be sending `DELETE /api/v1/order {"orderID":""}`
[2016-02-15 16:02:03] mwalshe99 : lol
[2016-02-15 16:03:43] BitMEX_Wally : micmix: Ok wise guy, now you're sending `DELETE /api/v1/order {"orderID":","}`
[2016-02-15 16:06:35] tscha : haha
[2016-02-15 16:11:37] BitMEX_Wally : We had an amusing error the other day. One of our monitoring systems reported that BitMEX.com was down
[2016-02-15 16:11:51] BitMEX_Wally : Turns out the price of Bitcoin was 404
[2016-02-15 16:12:02] tscha : lol
[2016-02-15 16:12:03] BitMEX_Wally : and the price appears in the title
[2016-02-15 16:12:12] tscha : that's hilarious
[2016-02-15 16:12:55] BitMEX_Sam : In hindsight, yeah, at the time, but scrambling, trying to figure out why their servers are reporting us down was less fun
[2016-02-15 16:12:58] BitMEX_Wally : Made my day
[2016-02-15 16:20:45] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.01285
[2016-02-15 16:25:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 50 @ 404.28
[2016-02-15 16:26:39] habibi : new guy turn into bull?
[2016-02-15 16:26:44] habibi : bear* :D
[2016-02-15 16:27:29] thehawthorne : LOL
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1000 @ 399.22
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Blood on the streets!
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 333 @ 399.03
[2016-02-15 16:27:36] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 100 @ 399.11
[2016-02-15 16:27:38] thehawthorne : love that
[2016-02-15 16:27:53] habibi : wouldnt expect discout these days <3
[2016-02-15 16:28:04] habibi : bots are getting crazy :D?
[2016-02-15 16:28:10] habibi : BitMEX_Wally: new update? :D
[2016-02-15 16:28:42] thehawthorne : crazy shit haha
[2016-02-15 16:28:55] messiaen8844 : 100k orders... Wow
[2016-02-15 16:30:36] rapidtrades : bots are out of commission boys
[2016-02-15 16:30:41] rapidtrades : time to step in :)
[2016-02-15 16:32:21] rapidtrades : dam looks like i missed some nice trades
[2016-02-15 16:38:57] j8 : is this what the markets look like when micmix is offline
[2016-02-15 16:41:56] rapidtrades : feels like Christmas
[2016-02-15 16:45:52] rapidtrades : j8: I think this is what markets look like when bitmex f*cks up the API
[2016-02-15 16:46:29] tscha : they didn't fukk up the api... people just didn't test enough
[2016-02-15 16:46:34] BitMEX_Sam : We didn't make any backwards-incompatible changes
[2016-02-15 16:46:54] BitMEX_Sam : Only new features in this release. Any software hooking up to any API should be able to accept new data without issue so long as the old data hasn't changed
[2016-02-15 16:47:02] BitMEX_Wally : The new API supports bulk order placement so market markers are probably upgrading to use it
[2016-02-15 16:48:23] BitMEX_Sam : messiaen8844: The Order History bug is fixed
[2016-02-15 16:48:30] BitMEX_Sam : As for sortable tables, yes, that's coming soon
[2016-02-15 16:48:39] rapidtrades : wtf is that 399 bid doing there...i bumped into that
[2016-02-15 16:49:13] sleger : when its on the top part its called an offer
[2016-02-15 16:49:18] rapidtrades : aaaand it's gone....a liq?
[2016-02-15 16:49:32] rapidtrades : damit I hate paying fees
[2016-02-15 16:49:34] sleger : i took it (well 30k) but no doesnt seem to be a liq
[2016-02-15 16:50:44] j8 : BitMEX_Sam: there's some glitchy behaviour with the cancel all buttons when switching between contract orders and all orders tabs
[2016-02-15 16:52:21] j8 : when i switch to Active Orders it has Buys and Sells separated, until i click something then it fixes it
[2016-02-15 16:53:00] j8 : and when i switch back to XBT24H Orders it just has one Summary row, and it also fixes when i click something
[2016-02-15 16:54:22] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Sam: thanks. Congrats on the site UI, it feels great and responsive on all my devices, really top notch
[2016-02-15 16:54:39] BitMEX_Sam : Thanks messiaen8844. Big upgrade coming very shortly
[2016-02-15 16:54:59] BitMEX_Sam : j8: I see that as well, thanks
[2016-02-15 16:55:03] BitMEX_Sam : Will push a fix shortly
[2016-02-15 16:56:40] arbitrage001 : huge spread between china and non china
[2016-02-15 16:57:05] rapidtrades : huge? we had $7 between okc usd and finex this morning
[2016-02-15 16:57:09] rapidtrades : shit's wacked
[2016-02-15 16:57:37] arbitrage001 : 18-20 usd a few mins ago
[2016-02-15 16:57:57] sleger : rapid is talking about 0kc usd, you guys about anything-cny
[2016-02-15 16:58:30] arbitrage001 : which is around 4.75%
[2016-02-15 17:00:39] rapidtrades : it's $13...same are as when I checked few hrs ago
[2016-02-15 17:00:50] rapidtrades : chy/usd
[2016-02-15 17:01:08] sleger : rapidtrades: what exchange rate are you using ?
[2016-02-15 17:01:13] arbitrage001 : what rmb rate you use?
[2016-02-15 17:01:22] rapidtrades : oh ffs
[2016-02-15 17:01:28] rapidtrades : okc
[2016-02-15 17:01:34] sleger : lol
[2016-02-15 17:01:34] arbitrage001 : inacurate
[2016-02-15 17:01:39] sleger : same mistake as 2 months ago ?
[2016-02-15 17:02:02] rapidtrades : who cares they're all FAKE FAKE FAKE
[2016-02-15 17:02:26] arbitrage001 : it is not if you do arbitrageg
[2016-02-15 17:02:35] arbitrage001 : arbitrage
[2016-02-15 17:03:00] rapidtrades : u can't arbitrage between two diff currncies... ur speculating on usd/chy staying the same
[2016-02-15 17:03:17] arbitrage001 : reasonable risk
[2016-02-15 17:03:37] arbitrage001 : rmb not going to drop 4-5% over night
[2016-02-15 17:03:49] rapidtrades : yeah it could and it has just last August
[2016-02-15 17:03:53] tradedesk : arbitrage001: not again
[2016-02-15 17:04:56] rapidtrades : sorry for derailing...anyone know the current okc rate?
[2016-02-15 17:05:06] j8 : 6.58 or so
[2016-02-15 17:05:21] j8 : 6.5819
[2016-02-15 17:05:49] rapidtrades : wow
[2016-02-15 17:05:57] j8 : so yeah the futures index should be a couple dollars higher
[2016-02-15 17:06:09] rapidtrades : why higher
[2016-02-15 17:06:46] rapidtrades : nvm i got ti
[2016-02-15 17:06:47] j8 : because it undervalues the chinese exchanges by using a weak cny
[2016-02-15 17:07:02] rapidtrades : well that explains the large premium on futures
[2016-02-15 17:07:17] j8 : yes
[2016-02-15 17:07:35] j8 : maybe
[2016-02-15 17:07:48] rapidtrades : chinese could be fomoing again...or some pboc got the news for a devaluation...first one more likely
[2016-02-15 17:08:33] arbitrage001 : traders dont trade on rumor
[2016-02-15 17:08:40] arbitrage001 : or would be event
[2016-02-15 17:08:55] rapidtrades : yeah they do, all the f time
[2016-02-15 17:09:08] j8 : 3% premium on okc quarterly is pretty typical on a run up like this
[2016-02-15 17:09:15] rapidtrades : what run up
[2016-02-15 17:09:16] arbitrage001 : reason why 95% blow up the first year?
[2016-02-15 17:09:25] j8 : the last couple days
[2016-02-15 17:09:32] rapidtrades : it's only $20
[2016-02-15 17:09:52] arbitrage001 : 20 is a lot if you know what you are doing
[2016-02-15 17:10:06] j8 : and it's only 3%
[2016-02-15 17:10:09] arbitrage001 : 5%
[2016-02-15 17:10:18] rapidtrades : $20 is usually not enough for that high of a premium on futures
[2016-02-15 17:10:37] arbitrage001 : i am talking spot price arbitrage
[2016-02-15 17:11:01] rapidtrades : well finex usually leads
[2016-02-15 17:11:31] j8 : ok so you take half a percent off for the cny rate
[2016-02-15 17:11:56] arbitrage001 : why half a percent?
[2016-02-15 17:12:16] rapidtrades : i get it now...it was weird earlier to see $13 premium on March
[2016-02-15 17:12:23] j8 : because the rate is off by around 1 percent, and the index is 50% cny pairs
[2016-02-15 17:12:34] rapidtrades : when we were at $380 there was 0 premium
[2016-02-15 17:12:52] rapidtrades : matched spot at one point...made a big mistake not bailing there
[2016-02-15 17:14:30] rapidtrades : still net long overall but hate being long Yuan
[2016-02-15 17:14:43] j8 : sentiment was really bad for a while, it just didn't go down
[2016-02-15 17:15:09] podizzle3k : can we get a CORE / CLASSIC futures 3M market plz
[2016-02-15 17:15:20] podizzle3k : thats gonna be a fun one
[2016-02-15 17:15:39] rapidtrades : finex/okc gap now only 78 cents
[2016-02-15 17:15:44] tradedesk : podizzle3k: my first million :D
[2016-02-15 17:24:04] rapidtrades : shkreli is going a pharmaceuticals class on stream LOLL
[2016-02-15 17:30:08] tscha : I always wondered what kind of people are watching this guy's channel... now I know
[2016-02-15 17:30:35] podizzle3k : he always does those hangouts
[2016-02-15 17:30:40] podizzle3k : lots of hot girls join in
[2016-02-15 17:30:50] podizzle3k : trying to gold dig him while pretending to be interested in cheistry
[2016-02-15 17:31:05] podizzle3k : martins a genius i cant wait for his album
[2016-02-15 17:31:39] tscha : how is he a genius? his life sucks
[2016-02-15 17:31:48] BitMEX_Sam : He's like the Joffrey Baratheon of the real world
[2016-02-15 17:31:53] BitMEX_Sam : Everyone loves to hate him... it's great
[2016-02-15 17:32:37] sleger : i really really dont hate him
[2016-02-15 17:34:00] j8 : what if sleger == shkreli
[2016-02-15 17:34:45] sleger : i can prove I am not : my pseudo will chat here next time I insult congress on live TV ;)
[2016-02-15 17:34:48] djuan : nah sleger is too nice to be that douche bag
[2016-02-15 17:36:46] tscha : I don't hate him either. I don't even dislike him. I just feel sorry for people who would trade with Sheen / Shkreli / Bilzerian or any famous person, and think their life is great.
[2016-02-15 17:37:03] tscha : In fact, Shkreli had a really cool life before he fukked up. Nobody knew him and he had a ton of money.
[2016-02-15 17:37:50] rapidtrades : he just got a date cos some chick recognized him on the street...there are perks to fame
[2016-02-15 17:38:02] tscha : You don't need to be famous to pick up chicks
[2016-02-15 17:38:26] messiaen8844 : djuan: almost read your nick as DAQUAN lololol
[2016-02-15 17:38:34] rapidtrades : but u need to be famous to GET PICKED UP
[2016-02-15 17:38:42] tscha : Nah, you don't
[2016-02-15 17:38:49] rapidtrades : as a guy yes u do sir
[2016-02-15 17:38:55] tscha : maybe in the US :)
[2016-02-15 17:39:09] rapidtrades : i live in europe...
[2016-02-15 17:40:04] tscha : Yeah, Bukarest right? :D
[2016-02-15 17:40:47] djuan : messiaen8844: lol ?
[2016-02-15 17:40:47] rapidtrades : nah i was just visiting in Autumn
[2016-02-15 17:40:50] Tulip_stefan : 5% sounds a lot, but how are you going to get money out of china?
[2016-02-15 17:41:08] Tulip_stefan : nevermind, the chat box was scrolled way up..
[2016-02-15 17:41:47] rapidtrades : i read that as Budapest.... @tscha
[2016-02-15 17:42:12] habibi : Tulip_stefan: sepa but still u need to pay about 1% for whole money procedure
[2016-02-15 17:42:16] habibi : withdraw
[2016-02-15 17:42:29] sleger : habibi: sepa in china ???
[2016-02-15 17:43:52] Tulip_stefan : 1% is a lot for a few sepa transactions. Kraken charges only a few cents. But yeah, sepa in china?
[2016-02-15 17:44:27] mrp1nk : fyi, SEPA = Single Euro Payments Area
[2016-02-15 17:44:43] habibi : right my bad
[2016-02-15 17:44:46] mrp1nk : :-)
[2016-02-15 17:45:01] sleger : if you have no idea then dont just write the stupidest things
[2016-02-15 17:45:14] mrp1nk : and btw. whats wrong with XBT24H. premium gone?
[2016-02-15 17:46:06] mrp1nk : even negative premium
[2016-02-15 17:46:13] habibi : totally agree, need some sleep
[2016-02-15 17:46:46] j8 : me too. i've been up for around 30 hours
[2016-02-15 17:47:03] sleger : because bitcoin just moved a bit ?
[2016-02-15 17:47:22] j8 : kind of by accident, i stayed up late enough that it was morning
[2016-02-15 17:48:05] j8 : and lately i've been sleeping through alarms, and i had a big position on
[2016-02-15 17:48:29] mrp1nk : usually: the price is approx. bfx price + 2$
[2016-02-15 17:48:54] mrp1nk : (very roughly)
[2016-02-15 17:51:54] sleger : but the index is not bifx
[2016-02-15 17:54:35] tradedesk : and bfx is not always same weight
[2016-02-15 17:55:01] mrp1nk : thought bfx is heavily weighted thats why
[2016-02-15 17:55:09] mrp1nk : because volume
[2016-02-15 17:55:16] tradedesk : https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2016-02-15 17:55:22] tradedesk : true, volume counts
[2016-02-15 17:55:51] mrp1nk : thx
[2016-02-15 17:56:05] mrp1nk : 56.90%
[2016-02-15 17:56:33] mrp1nk : so its reasonable to look at bfx imo
[2016-02-15 17:57:06] mrp1nk : $403.15 still negative premium
[2016-02-15 17:57:07] tradedesk : for spot price, not for price perdiction (imo) they are gamblers
[2016-02-15 17:57:10] sleger : yes but the "premium" vs finex is not constant because of many reasons, but the main one being that finex is not the index
[2016-02-15 18:00:46] tradedesk : so what does bfx tell you? dump now or continue up?
[2016-02-15 18:01:29] mrp1nk : the direction of the futures
[2016-02-15 18:01:29] tradedesk : i remember that most bfx traders follow okc, so shouldn't we look at that exchange?
[2016-02-15 18:01:39] mrp1nk : i look at that too
[2016-02-15 18:02:21] mrp1nk : (CNY index to be precise)
[2016-02-15 18:03:20] j8 : die
[2016-02-15 18:03:23] j8 : lol
[2016-02-15 18:03:29] j8 : i did not mean to type that
[2016-02-15 18:03:44] mrp1nk : @tradedesk: mainly the TA
[2016-02-15 18:05:55] tradedesk : TA is great for validating trend reversal. i use RSI a lot on spot and the 20x's
[2016-02-15 18:11:18] mrp1nk : i fully agree
[2016-02-15 18:15:38] rapidtrades : so $2.64 discount
[2016-02-15 18:15:42] rapidtrades : wtf
[2016-02-15 18:15:45] rapidtrades : for real
[2016-02-15 18:16:07] mrp1nk : bot bearish
[2016-02-15 18:16:07] tradedesk : @rapidtrades useless can't short it, can't long it
[2016-02-15 18:16:40] mrp1nk : ore someone building up a huge short position
[2016-02-15 18:17:54] habibi : liquidity provider :)
[2016-02-15 18:18:29] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 70 @ 0.01257
[2016-02-15 18:20:36] Tulip_stefan : hahahaha TA.
[2016-02-15 18:20:46] rapidtrades : shut up stefan
[2016-02-15 18:22:43] Tulip_stefan : its just that, i haven't seen any actual evidence that TA works better than a dice roll.
[2016-02-15 18:22:50] Tulip_stefan : if i would i would have automated it already.
[2016-02-15 18:23:27] rapidtrades : doesn't ur bot follow prior price action? highs lows
[2016-02-15 18:23:28] mrp1nk : are you talking about bitcoin or in general?
[2016-02-15 18:23:45] Tulip_stefan : in general, mostly.
[2016-02-15 18:24:26] Tulip_stefan : part of the problem is that TA is notoriously hard to backtest.
[2016-02-15 18:24:56] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: talking about spot, not 100x's
[2016-02-15 18:25:31] tradedesk : most wicks go to MA45 on the 5-30 min charts (easy money)