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[2016-02-12 22:59:20] habibi : micmix: how are u man? could i ask what ur actual view for markets?
[2016-02-12 23:00:27] tscha : 300k buy order on 24H :)
[2016-02-12 23:06:54] Mangalica : okc weeklies are having some weird bot volume going on as well
[2016-02-12 23:08:34] Mangalica : started roughly the same time they turned on the volumizer on spot
[2016-02-12 23:09:54] micmix : Hi habibi! I don't have any opinion on market direction, too much uncertainty with blocksize debate. Could be very volatile month or two.
[2016-02-12 23:12:23] habibi : volatily is good
[2016-02-12 23:12:44] micmix : I have longs and shorts with net long overall
[2016-02-12 23:18:54] sleger : micmix: hey, could you tell me what is the instrument name for this_week on the fix api for 0kcoin please ?
[2016-02-12 23:19:53] micmix : sleger: BTC0219 this week I think
[2016-02-12 23:20:51] sleger : their documentation says nothing about it. Alright will try to play around that, thanks @micmix
[2016-02-12 23:25:29] sleger : micmix: I get " 58=symbol must BTC/USD or LTC/USD
"
[2016-02-12 23:25:49] micmix : let me check
[2016-02-12 23:28:55] sleger : maybe its a different endpoint/port for futures ?
[2016-02-13 00:04:38] micmix : sleger: That's weird, looks like we are using FIX for spot and REST for futures. I was sure we are using FIX for everything. Let me do some checks, it's been couple years since I touched that code.
[2016-02-13 00:06:09] micmix : sleger: usually in FIX you send instrument info with SecurityType (167) =FUT, MaturityMonthYear (200) and MaturityDay (205) to select which futures you want to work with
[2016-02-13 00:08:15] sleger : i have a support request open for a while but nobody was in due to "new year"
[2016-02-13 00:08:32] sleger : Thanks anyways @micmix I guess you dont trade that much on futures there
[2016-02-13 00:09:19] micmix : no, we don't have anything running on okc futures ATM. maybe I tried FIX for futures 2 years ago and gave up :-(
[2016-02-13 00:09:46] micmix : I will play with it over the weekend
[2016-02-13 00:23:25] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 36300 @ 384.65 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-13 00:24:23] habibi : wtf
[2016-02-13 00:24:24] habibi : :D
[2016-02-13 00:26:10] BitMEX_Sam : Wow
[2016-02-13 00:26:39] BitMEX_Sam : :rocket: :full_moon:
[2016-02-13 00:45:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.01399
[2016-02-13 00:49:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.01392 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-13 02:03:45] rapidtrades : well....welll.....weeeeelll
[2016-02-13 02:05:56] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Sam: Possibily interface bug? Many times Order History won't show any data until you refresh the page
[2016-02-13 02:06:43] habibi : have the same, and sometimes some tiny orders dont show up and when i hit the book its shows i was taker of some small orders
[2016-02-13 02:08:12] rapidtrades : what happened fellas
[2016-02-13 02:08:28] messiaen8844 : habibi: also happens when I'm drunk
[2016-02-13 02:08:53] habibi : i am not touching any trading when i drunk, but good luck :)
[2016-02-13 02:08:53] messiaen8844 : stupid orders appear out of nowhere
[2016-02-13 02:13:48] rapidtrades : well Metatrader is f*cked
[2016-02-13 02:15:13] rapidtrades : f unreaal....none of them work, desktop or mobile
[2016-02-13 02:16:23] rapidtrades : FUCKING RUSSIANA
[2016-02-13 02:17:02] rapidtrades : how the f can they do this
[2016-02-13 03:00:42] rapidtrades : any tips for how to re-sync my google auth? it doesn't work on one of my phones
[2016-02-13 03:01:30] rapidtrades : the in app thing says it's already synced but it's obv not cos the other app shows diff codes
[2016-02-13 03:01:47] j8 : is the phone's date/time wrong
[2016-02-13 03:02:25] rapidtrades : it was when I turned it on, not it's on network time but I still noticed a very slight lag compared to my other app
[2016-02-13 03:02:40] rapidtrades : not sure why it keeps lagging
[2016-02-13 03:03:10] j8 : normally within ~30 secs is fine
[2016-02-13 03:03:24] rapidtrades : well...guess im f then
[2016-02-13 03:03:57] j8 : there's something in settings to make it sync
[2016-02-13 03:04:00] rapidtrades : tips?
[2016-02-13 03:04:13] rapidtrades : there is but it says already synced...LIES
[2016-02-13 03:05:38] j8 : dunno then
[2016-02-13 03:05:44] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-02-13 03:06:00] j8 : then i dunno
[2016-02-13 03:06:15] rapidtrades : damit i had btc-e in that app...now I have to send my docs to the russian mafia
[2016-02-13 03:08:16] rapidtrades : if it's okay within 30 secs then why do the two apps throw out diff codes?
[2016-02-13 03:18:36] j8 : the server would accept more than one code if its within the time threshold
[2016-02-13 03:24:28] rapidtrades : j8: yeah works now...2 apps still throw out diff codes
[2016-02-13 03:24:59] rapidtrades : close enough I guess...
[2016-02-13 03:26:42] j8 : nice
[2016-02-13 03:28:29] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 386 @ 0.01475
[2016-02-13 03:31:14] rapidtrades : I sent a support ticked re: metatrader F*CK UP...but not sure if they have anyone working right now...it is btc-e after all
[2016-02-13 03:31:51] rapidtrades : those f*cks are MT4 should learn that there are other markets that trade 24/7
[2016-02-13 03:57:07] zanza : can't close your short rapidtrades ?
[2016-02-13 04:03:17] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-02-13 04:06:53] salcon : ту зе мун
[2016-02-13 04:07:49] rapidtrades : hey russian...speak to ur pals at mt4 to turn it back on
[2016-02-13 04:08:57] salcon : rapidtrades: это не в моей компентенции. и руководство не из россии
[2016-02-13 04:09:17] rapidtrades : yeah it is...didn't a russian make it
[2016-02-13 04:14:29] rapidtrades : The company is registered in Cyprus, however, it was founded and is primarily based in Russia
[2016-02-13 04:14:41] rapidtrades : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaQuotes_Software
[2016-02-13 04:29:54] rapidtrades : idk about this breakout...not much follow-through
[2016-02-13 04:32:52] rapidtrades : closed most of my short but still not ''buying'' this pump
[2016-02-13 04:36:46] messiaen8844 : BTC??????
[2016-02-13 04:37:01] messiaen8844 : you were shorting this?
[2016-02-13 04:37:47] messiaen8844 : be careful, very strong formation here
[2016-02-13 04:43:56] rapidtrades : I've been short for over 1 month now bud
[2016-02-13 04:44:42] messiaen8844 : probably did well, now strong reversal
[2016-02-13 04:45:16] messiaen8844 : especialy if 400+
[2016-02-13 04:45:23] rapidtrades : made peanuts so far...will prolly breakeven if go above 400
[2016-02-13 04:45:44] rapidtrades : still have a small short on
[2016-02-13 04:46:04] messiaen8844 : I see sell rage only at 420, then bigger resistance at 460
[2016-02-13 04:47:28] rapidtrades : if u look at daily chart we've stayed basically around here since middle of Jan
[2016-02-13 04:48:09] rapidtrades : just swinging around
[2016-02-13 05:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4 @ 389.69 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-13 05:19:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 25 @ 0.01306
[2016-02-13 05:19:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.01291
[2016-02-13 05:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 42 @ 0.01252
[2016-02-13 06:33:54] jung1 : How deep we will fall with eth?
[2016-02-13 06:44:17] Tulip_stefan : we need to go deeper, imo.
[2016-02-13 06:44:33] SnackyCoins : 0.007
[2016-02-13 06:46:58] jung1 : Hmm
[2016-02-13 06:48:11] jung1 : 17k buy offer at 1285
[2016-02-13 07:52:39] Tulip_stefan : is there any way to get the websocket to send a 'margin' message when connected, rather than just on change?
[2016-02-13 07:54:06] Tulip_stefan : nevermind, it doesn't give me all information i need, so i need to fallback to REST anyway.
[2016-02-13 07:59:22] BitMEX_Wally : Tulip_stefan: You don't need to use REST. After we upgrade the engine on Monday we will push the full `margin` image to you when you subscribe over WebSocke
[2016-02-13 07:59:50] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment you can use `pushAccount` over WebSocket to get the initial image, but we are going to deprecate this and make it automatic
[2016-02-13 08:00:08] Tulip_stefan : awsome.
[2016-02-13 08:00:51] BitMEX_Wally : (some people do not understand how the whole point of WebSocket is to be push async changes, and they have been repeatedly calling `pushAccount` every second)
[2016-02-13 08:02:38] BitMEX_Wally : The changes are already live in testnet so you can develop against that
[2016-02-13 08:02:45] BitMEX_Wally : Whenever you subscribe to anything you get push a relevant image
[2016-02-13 08:02:53] BitMEX_Wally : `trade` will push the last trade
[2016-02-13 08:03:01] BitMEX_Wally : `order` will push all open orders
[2016-02-13 08:03:41] BitMEX_Wally : `position` will push all your positions, etc
[2016-02-13 08:06:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 249 @ 0.01402
[2016-02-13 08:09:37] tradedesk : hell why was that one liquidated? absolute no orders in book near that price or activity on the pair
[2016-02-13 08:10:06] habibi : dont know but shorted on that order :D
[2016-02-13 08:10:25] slavo : when will you add xmr contracts :D
[2016-02-13 08:10:38] habibi : who said they will?
[2016-02-13 08:12:29] habibi : tradedesk: anyway looks like this order hit margin, and opened price was above spot price
[2016-02-13 08:12:55] tradedesk : spot price was 1388
[2016-02-13 08:13:19] habibi : exacly! and long open price was 1416
[2016-02-13 08:13:29] rapidtrades : need some help here....I entered some shorts way back on okc at 483....how do I calculate my exposure? I get 2 different values by using the calc and by inputting the value in the fields
[2016-02-13 08:14:37] habibi : tradedesk: i u take a look at polo price at 9:06 u will see it dropped in wick to 1366
[2016-02-13 08:14:42] habibi : that caused liq probally
[2016-02-13 08:14:54] rapidtrades : one says 8.86 btc but the calc says a loss/gain or $740 if price moves $100..so exposure is 7.4btc...
[2016-02-13 08:15:31] tradedesk : even poloniex stayed within my liquidation price
[2016-02-13 08:15:42] tradedesk : and that was the highest exchange at the moment
[2016-02-13 08:18:07] habibi : ask BitMEX_Wally to get proper anserw
[2016-02-13 08:18:15] tradedesk : i opened a support ticket
[2016-02-13 08:18:38] BitMEX_Wally : tradedesk: Looking into it
[2016-02-13 08:24:09] rapidtrades : been doing some calcs and it appears that the okc calculator is not accurate
[2016-02-13 08:24:53] BitMEX_Wally : tradedesk: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnTradeHistory&currencyPair=BTC_ETH&start=1455350768&end=1455350778
[2016-02-13 08:25:23] BitMEX_Wally : Spot traded at 0.01412131 which was above the liquidation price
[2016-02-13 08:25:45] tradedesk : contracts liquidate on a wick up?
[2016-02-13 08:26:07] habibi : ah that was short liquidated lel
[2016-02-13 08:26:13] habibi : it wasnt a wick up actually
[2016-02-13 08:26:18] tradedesk : i tought it was calculated for settlement price?
[2016-02-13 08:28:19] habibi : settlement price moves with mark price if its not last 2 hours before settlement
[2016-02-13 08:29:07] BitMEX_Wally : ETH7D is marked to the indicative settlement price which is the last traded price on the underlying exchange
[2016-02-13 08:29:08] tradedesk : IndicativeSettlePrice it is used o prevent unneeded liquidations
[2016-02-13 08:29:37] tradedesk : the best part of getting rekt is being able to start again
[2016-02-13 08:29:57] tradedesk : but you have to agree that the liquidation was unnecessary
[2016-02-13 08:30:11] habibi : tradedesk: just chance into cross margin, and do get too big margin on overall account
[2016-02-13 08:30:40] tradedesk : took it of cross because that bot left the pair
[2016-02-13 08:30:52] habibi : tradedesk: after the fact? ofc, many liquidations are. what if that would drive up to 1500?
[2016-02-13 08:31:08] tradedesk : with no bids it would not
[2016-02-13 08:31:35] habibi : u never know
[2016-02-13 08:31:36] tradedesk : besides, that could be filled with the rest of my witheld profits
[2016-02-13 08:33:48] tradedesk : where can i find info on that IndicativeSettlePrice so it will not happen again?
[2016-02-13 08:42:13] BitMEX_Wally : The indicative settle price is published in the contract widget
[2016-02-13 08:42:28] BitMEX_Wally : It's also the `Mark Price` on the positions table
[2016-02-13 08:42:40] BitMEX_Wally : You can see a minutely history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETHXBT
[2016-02-13 08:44:03] tradedesk : yes, but what is it? how is it calculated
[2016-02-13 08:46:25] tradedesk : BitMEX_Wally: the minutely did not cross the liquidation value, now i am realy confused
[2016-02-13 08:46:48] BitMEX_Wally : That's just a snap of the value at the end of each minute.
[2016-02-13 08:48:14] BitMEX_Wally : It traded higher intra-minute, as the raw data from Poloniex shows
[2016-02-13 08:48:50] tradedesk : so it takes the highest value of any exchange trading eth?
[2016-02-13 08:50:39] BitMEX_Wally : If the last traded value on the reference exchange is above your liquidation price then it gets liquidated
[2016-02-13 08:51:00] BitMEX_Wally : The reference exchange for ETH7D is Poloniex
[2016-02-13 08:51:52] tradedesk : ok thanks
[2016-02-13 08:51:58] tradedesk : and for btc?
[2016-02-13 08:53:07] tradedesk : or XBT i must sqy
[2016-02-13 08:55:33] BitMEX_Wally : Click on a contract
[2016-02-13 08:55:39] BitMEX_Wally : `XBT24H is a XBT/USD quanto future settling daily on the .XBT30M Index. `
[2016-02-13 08:55:53] BitMEX_Wally : You can click on the Index and it will take you to the raw data
[2016-02-13 08:56:06] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2016-02-13 09:01:03] tradedesk : stil ldon't get how it works, but i wil ask sam when i see him
[2016-02-13 09:05:13] BitMEX_Wally : tradedesk: Let us know if you have any questions, I'm happy to help
[2016-02-13 09:11:00] tradedesk : ok thanks! so XBT is not linked to any exchange? how do you make up the index price then?
[2016-02-13 09:11:25] tradedesk : and all trades are included in the indicative settlement price?
[2016-02-13 09:11:34] Tulip_stefan : they look at the tradeblock index, which is the average of a few exchanges.
[2016-02-13 09:12:45] Tulip_stefan : I agree it's not very clear exactly when you get margin called...
[2016-02-13 09:12:51] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, `.XBT` is just the TradeBlock XBX index
[2016-02-13 09:13:00] BitMEX_Wally : https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2016-02-13 09:14:54] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: yes, if only i would have known bitmex only looks at poloniex :)
[2016-02-13 09:15:29] Tulip_stefan : that they only look at poloniex was quite clear to me.
[2016-02-13 09:16:10] tradedesk : so there is no 'calculation' for the indicative settle price, it is only based on the highest (or lowest) trade price?
[2016-02-13 09:16:33] tradedesk : not for me, i am using tradeview, and only learned about poloniex thanks to the chat there
[2016-02-13 09:16:38] Tulip_stefan : and really dangerous, but there aren't good alternatives right now, you need at least 3 exchanges to form a decent index and there are only 2 with good volume on eth/btc.
[2016-02-13 09:16:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.01273 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-13 09:16:39] SnackyCoins : oh snap i thought it settled to kraken
[2016-02-13 09:20:20] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: volume weighted would be a more 'fair' way to calculate indicative settlement
[2016-02-13 09:21:52] tradedesk : buy it called into your ask so i guess you will not complain ;-)
[2016-02-13 09:22:26] Tulip_stefan : i don't think volume weighted of 2 exchanges is more 'fair'. In fact i'm pretty sure that the bitstamp price is a better price indicator than the tradeblock index, which volume weights 5 exchanges. I should test that.
[2016-02-13 09:22:30] Tulip_stefan : wait, i have tested that.
[2016-02-13 09:23:23] tradedesk : hehe, for your bot?
[2016-02-13 09:24:51] Tulip_stefan : using only okcoin.cn is a better price predictor than the tradeblock index, as is btcchina.cn. The other exchanges i've tested perform worse than the tradeblock index.
[2016-02-13 09:25:50] Tulip_stefan : It would be a lot better if they ditched the volume weighted part and used fixed weights.
[2016-02-13 09:26:35] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: even better
[2016-02-13 09:26:59] tradedesk : woodchipper.cn? does not load for me
[2016-02-13 09:27:49] Tulip_stefan : the chatbox censors all mentions of Ｏｋｃｏｉｎ　to woodchipper.
[2016-02-13 09:28:12] tradedesk : never mind, neither does btcchina
[2016-02-13 09:28:21] rapidtrades : why did u tell him
[2016-02-13 09:28:39] tradedesk : think my connection to china is broken :P
[2016-02-13 09:29:00] Tulip_stefan : the firewall gods have not been kind to you.
[2016-02-13 09:30:48] rapidtrades : works for me
[2016-02-13 09:30:59] rapidtrades : it's now btcc
[2016-02-13 09:31:01] rapidtrades : rebranded
[2016-02-13 09:32:05] rapidtrades : major lag here
[2016-02-13 09:36:06] tradedesk : lets see if we have support for ETH at 1220
[2016-02-13 09:45:47] rapidtrades : tradedesk: are u back in a long
[2016-02-13 09:46:14] tradedesk : if it breaks 1300 with enough volume
[2016-02-13 09:46:31] tradedesk : got rekt to much today
[2016-02-13 09:46:38] rapidtrades : buying?
[2016-02-13 09:47:12] tradedesk : falling asleep with open position and one big spike that did it to me
[2016-02-13 09:47:33] rapidtrades : what position pleb
[2016-02-13 09:48:26] tradedesk : eth
[2016-02-13 09:48:39] rapidtrades : long or short....
[2016-02-13 09:49:09] tradedesk : short
[2016-02-13 09:49:24] rapidtrades : dam that sucks...
[2016-02-13 09:49:44] habibi : actually if he opened above 140 its pretty good
[2016-02-13 09:49:55] tradedesk : my biggest issue is overtrading
[2016-02-13 09:50:07] tradedesk : adding to my short at the most impossible times
[2016-02-13 09:51:14] rapidtrades : do u have a risk per trade limit or...how do u determine ur size
[2016-02-13 09:52:26] tradedesk : 10% max is the idea, but the orderbook was empty right after i did my order
[2016-02-13 09:53:01] billyboy402 : where do you get the index price for Ether ?
[2016-02-13 09:53:09] habibi : polo price
[2016-02-13 09:53:12] tradedesk : oh i know this one!
[2016-02-13 09:53:16] tradedesk : on poloniex
[2016-02-13 09:53:22] tradedesk : :'(
[2016-02-13 09:53:54] rapidtrades : 10% is way too high, unless ur trading with very small amount of money
[2016-02-13 09:54:11] habibi : rapidtrades: its much too high for eth
[2016-02-13 09:54:13] tradedesk : what limits do you use?
[2016-02-13 09:54:30] billyboy402 : was there any heavy margin call last week ?
[2016-02-13 09:54:38] rapidtrades : I use 2% for bitcoin max and max 1% for my forex trades
[2016-02-13 09:55:01] Tulip_stefan : I was thinking about using 10% for my bot on XBT...
[2016-02-13 09:55:27] tradedesk : oh wow. then i realy am a gambler
[2016-02-13 09:55:29] habibi : so u gonna get rek someday :D
[2016-02-13 09:55:54] rapidtrades : actually I use 2% for some of my forex traders as well....but only when fundamentals match with technicals...only take a few of these trades per year
[2016-02-13 09:55:55] tradedesk : eth holding, looking to buy the next dip
[2016-02-13 09:56:13] habibi : dip was there
[2016-02-13 09:56:16] habibi : 12280000
[2016-02-13 09:56:41] Tulip_stefan : if you want to buy the dip, wait a month.
[2016-02-13 09:56:43] tradedesk : better safe then rekt twice in a row
[2016-02-13 09:56:52] tradedesk : not buying to hold
[2016-02-13 09:57:04] Tulip_stefan : all altcoins follow the same patter. Panic!! followed by 3 months of complete silence.
[2016-02-13 09:57:31] rapidtrades : it's usally pump/dump then nothing...then dump some more to below pump
[2016-02-13 09:57:35] Tulip_stefan : it's the same with bitcoin actually, except the silence lasts significantly longer :P
[2016-02-13 10:02:01] Tulip_stefan : cool. Bitmex is the first exchange where i can trade while my bot is running, as there is a fool-proof way to find out which orders are created by the bot.
[2016-02-13 10:03:21] habibi : true :D
[2016-02-13 10:04:52] tradedesk : having a bot would be fun. you made yours yourself?
[2016-02-13 10:06:14] Tulip_stefan : together with an old classmate of mine, but i coded the majority.
[2016-02-13 10:06:22] Tulip_stefan : I use C++ with Qt libraries.
[2016-02-13 10:06:49] tradedesk : i only can do php and things that look a lot like that
[2016-02-13 10:08:35] Tulip_stefan : earlier versions where made in python but the lack of proper resource management and fixed really annoyed me for this type of application.
[2016-02-13 10:10:59] Tulip_stefan : fixed typing*
[2016-02-13 10:12:08] tradedesk : i envy you
[2016-02-13 10:12:42] Tulip_stefan : nah. Creating the actual bot is't that hard. Creating the strategy is.
[2016-02-13 10:13:20] Tulip_stefan : My very first version made 1BTC with an investment of 0.1 LTC (!) in about 2 weeks, and was written in python with no prior experience in python.
[2016-02-13 10:13:48] habibi : on spot markets?
[2016-02-13 10:13:52] tradedesk : oh nice! think i will give it a shot then :)
[2016-02-13 10:14:10] Tulip_stefan : there where futures markets in december 2013? lol?
[2016-02-13 10:14:34] habibi : yea, mtgox was kind of futures :D
[2016-02-13 10:14:49] Tulip_stefan : bitmex is actually the first non-spot market i'm trying.
[2016-02-13 10:15:09] habibi : u could make some profits there but u need to settlement till u get some money back :D
[2016-02-13 10:15:45] habibi : love the way mm on eth works :D
[2016-02-13 10:16:43] Tulip_stefan : but my point is, you can get away with very crappy code if your algorithm is decent. I even had a bot MM-ing on havelock during the neobee craze :P
[2016-02-13 10:17:07] habibi : such loose :D
[2016-02-13 10:18:07] Tulip_stefan : i actually doubled my initial investment of 1 BTC even though i had a very unfavorable position during that one drop....
[2016-02-13 10:20:14] Tulip_stefan : yes i invested 1 BTC in neobee... fail.
[2016-02-13 10:21:01] tradedesk : i am having a look at the bitmex market maker bot and that looks east enough. i'll keep you posted :P
[2016-02-13 10:39:03] tscha : "but my point is, you can get away with very crappy code if your algorithm is decent." --> haha, very true indeed
[2016-02-13 10:40:42] Tulip_stefan : that trading bot was literally a script that synchronously queried all markets op cryptsy (20 seconds or more), queried it's orders and balance, and created a few new orders, then shut down. I ran it in a loop using bash.
[2016-02-13 10:40:57] Tulip_stefan : how's on a scale from crap to extremely crap?
[2016-02-13 10:52:56] tscha : ok, even for my standards, this is crap
[2016-02-13 10:53:16] tscha : but I was referring more to coding style than to the design
[2016-02-13 11:26:16] rapidtrades : why is this place so busy
[2016-02-13 11:26:33] rapidtrades : everyone ethering?
[2016-02-13 11:28:17] Tulip_stefan : yeah i just brought some :P
[2016-02-13 11:28:26] Tulip_stefan : first manual trade in like 2 years.
[2016-02-13 11:30:46] Tulip_stefan : I saw a dumb MM so i brought 2 contracts of him to test. But now he stopped. tradedesk, is that you?
[2016-02-13 11:32:03] tscha : Tulip_stefan: the first version of my bot stored orderbooks as a `long` array. I thought I need to be super-fast and memory-efficient and stored both price and amount into one `long` with bitshifting . Just started out coding and had no clue where the real bottlenecks are :). Thinking back to that I always have to laugh so hard.
[2016-02-13 11:33:04] Tulip_stefan : the first version of my bot was lock-free with each exchange and bot running in a separate thread!
[2016-02-13 11:33:19] Tulip_stefan : first version of my C++ bot*
[2016-02-13 11:40:18] rapidtrades : ppl have gotten a lot smarter round here
[2016-02-13 11:55:39] tscha : rapidtrades: it's because you taught them so much
[2016-02-13 11:55:50] rapidtrades : good point
[2016-02-13 11:57:45] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: no have just started doing some planning on the thing
[2016-02-13 11:58:21] rapidtrades : settlement used to be easy money
[2016-02-13 12:02:35] Tulip_stefan : is the settlement fee something that applies for both long and short contracts?
[2016-02-13 12:03:30] rapidtrades : ....yeah
[2016-02-13 12:09:13] rapidtrades : wtf is this index doing,,,lower then okc and finex
[2016-02-13 12:09:45] rapidtrades : is it following stamp now? srsly get cancer
[2016-02-13 12:10:41] Tulip_stefan : yeah :P
[2016-02-13 12:14:37] habibi : yea index is retarted, glad bitmex is changing it into their own fixed? one
[2016-02-13 12:16:03] rapidtrades : are they?
[2016-02-13 12:16:38] habibi : heard some info on that here
[2016-02-13 12:17:09] rapidtrades : anyone from support to confirm?
[2016-02-13 12:17:35] habibi : nah they are offline, probally partying in striptease club today
[2016-02-13 12:17:41] Tulip_stefan : I don't really case what index they use, my algo can handle it :P
[2016-02-13 12:17:52] rapidtrades : noone axed u
[2016-02-13 12:18:10] habibi : Tulip_stefan: as long as its not settlement time
[2016-02-13 12:19:28] rapidtrades : cmon bitcoin do smth...i have errands to do
[2016-02-13 12:21:37] Tulip_stefan : i'm really wondering, are you watching every settlement? I usually check what my bots do every 3 months or so... This really seems like a waste of time.
[2016-02-13 12:22:44] habibi : i am not as tallented as u to make that winning only algo so i am making money on scalping mostly
[2016-02-13 12:22:52] habibi : so minutes and hours are important for me
[2016-02-13 12:24:12] Tulip_stefan : I'm not that talented. It took me 3 months of research to create a decent algorithm. Then the next 5 months of research resulted in nothing.
[2016-02-13 12:24:15] rapidtrades : yeah I try to watch every settlement cos ppl used to do dumb shit
[2016-02-13 12:24:32] Tulip_stefan : and with 'months of research', i really mean a month where you're working on it like 20 hours every weekend.
[2016-02-13 12:24:55] rapidtrades : so 20 days work tops
[2016-02-13 12:25:46] Tulip_stefan : sounds about right, if you exclude the time implementing API's
[2016-02-13 12:25:52] rapidtrades : also if I have positions on the daily I need to leg in/out you have to be here for settlement
[2016-02-13 12:33:14] Tulip_stefan : why is XBT so overvalued? The index is 389.9 and the XBT24 is 392.3?
[2016-02-13 12:33:50] rapidtrades : ppl are buying
[2016-02-13 12:38:49] habibi : thats so called premium
[2016-02-13 12:45:49] jung1 : where we go with eth?
[2016-02-13 12:45:56] habibi : to 100 usd
[2016-02-13 12:45:57] habibi : :D
[2016-02-13 12:46:09] tradedesk : wishfull thinking
[2016-02-13 12:46:11] mrp1nk : 100 satoshi
[2016-02-13 12:46:31] mrp1nk : :p
[2016-02-13 12:46:47] habibi : i am joking lel. its jung1 thoughs
[2016-02-13 12:46:54] habibi : just making fun of this :)
[2016-02-13 12:47:05] jung1 : lets meet here in 2 years
[2016-02-13 12:47:13] habibi : u said 1 year last time
[2016-02-13 12:47:15] habibi : :(
[2016-02-13 12:47:25] jung1 : lets meet here in 1 year
[2016-02-13 12:47:39] habibi : ok, 100 usd on single eth by then right?
[2016-02-13 12:48:11] jung1 : could be
[2016-02-13 12:48:21] habibi : could be 1 usd as well...
[2016-02-13 12:48:25] jung1 : could be
[2016-02-13 12:48:31] habibi : lel. go away man :D
[2016-02-13 12:48:40] habibi : too much weed
[2016-02-13 12:49:05] jung1 : but during next bitcoin pump (around june/july eth could go as ltc in '13
[2016-02-13 12:49:35] jung1 : dude. this is how markets works. everyone have different opinions
[2016-02-13 12:49:44] jung1 : will see who was right
[2016-02-13 12:50:01] habibi : its not market, its just dreaming
[2016-02-13 12:50:19] jung1 : people said same about bitcoin in '12
[2016-02-13 12:50:33] habibi : and then came willy
[2016-02-13 12:50:36] habibi : :D
[2016-02-13 12:50:57] jung1 : so its not impossible
[2016-02-13 12:51:00] jung1 : as you can see
[2016-02-13 12:51:17] tradedesk : can't see chart is frozen
[2016-02-13 12:51:29] habibi : u need to remember about scale anyway. its much much easier to move market cap from 10 milions to 1 bilion then from 500 milions to i dont know 50 bilions?
[2016-02-13 12:52:10] jung1 : yes you are right
[2016-02-13 12:52:35] jung1 : but if vitalic dont screw up and eth will be used in IoT and all that microsoft stuff
[2016-02-13 12:52:41] habibi : but simple question, why would big players like banks/microsoft or any should buy eth if they just can fork it on their own terms of use?
[2016-02-13 12:52:58] habibi : for their own terms of use*
[2016-02-13 12:53:38] jung1 : why reinwent wheel once again?
[2016-02-13 12:53:50] tradedesk : TCO, usability, user adoption, value
[2016-02-13 12:54:26] jung1 : sceurity over strong, distributed blockchain
[2016-02-13 12:54:28] tscha : dump <3
[2016-02-13 12:54:30] habibi : TCO value is actualyl against buying it
[2016-02-13 12:55:01] tradedesk : not at this price, i agree
[2016-02-13 12:55:03] habibi : usability will be the same
[2016-02-13 12:55:28] tradedesk : compatibility*
[2016-02-13 12:55:47] tradedesk : as in, no vendor lock-in
[2016-02-13 12:56:14] habibi : eth is not made for being currency itself u know Vitalik workds right?
[2016-02-13 12:59:34] habibi : jung1: security when it will become POS? questionable
[2016-02-13 12:59:45] habibi : same for new fork as for old
[2016-02-13 13:12:34] jung1 : Blessed are the people who have not seen and yet have believed."
[2016-02-13 13:16:47] habibi : blessed who made money while others were waiting for miracle
[2016-02-13 13:20:05] jung1 : queen is blessed
[2016-02-13 13:45:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 301 @ 0.01224
[2016-02-13 13:45:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 600 @ 0.01225
[2016-02-13 13:53:15] habibi : if we fall there will some nice dpe on eth
[2016-02-13 13:53:23] habibi : so i would suggest force liq a bit
[2016-02-13 13:54:27] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.01211
[2016-02-13 13:54:35] j8 : yeah, basis needs to be adjusted
[2016-02-13 13:55:31] habibi : yep
[2016-02-13 13:57:15] djuan : hey guys ?
[2016-02-13 13:57:28] jung1 : look at monero
[2016-02-13 13:57:34] jung1 : already hit 10mln market cap
[2016-02-13 13:57:35] djuan : has bitcoin started pumping yet?
[2016-02-13 13:58:49] rapidtrades : u know how there's a neutron bomb that kills all living things but leaves everything else intact?
[2016-02-13 13:59:37] djuan : nope. sounds like science fiction
[2016-02-13 14:01:00] rapidtrades : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
[2016-02-13 14:02:07] rapidtrades : anyway I want that but for plebs
[2016-02-13 14:02:13] rapidtrades : The Pleb Bomb
[2016-02-13 14:02:45] habibi : then who would u trade against?
[2016-02-13 14:03:19] rapidtrades : good point hajibi
[2016-02-13 14:03:44] habibi : Bitmex stuff u there?
[2016-02-13 14:03:57] jung1 : yes
[2016-02-13 14:07:29] Mangalica : someone just took out a 220 BTC bid wall of ETH on polo
[2016-02-13 14:07:45] jung1 : saw it
[2016-02-13 14:08:04] habibi : coz 220 btc is not a real bid for eth
[2016-02-13 14:08:10] habibi : too much eth both for 2k per btc
[2016-02-13 14:08:17] jung1 : im short since 125. lets see
[2016-02-13 14:08:22] Mangalica : yeah
[2016-02-13 14:08:25] jung1 : polo is now biggest altcoin exchange
[2016-02-13 14:08:26] habibi : bought*
[2016-02-13 14:08:31] jung1 : too bad is so fucking slow
[2016-02-13 14:08:45] habibi : lets see some dpe soon here
[2016-02-13 14:09:01] jung1 : xmr good for short also
[2016-02-13 14:10:57] jung1 : eth 0.01 today?
[2016-02-13 14:11:57] habibi : i dont know, but 100 dollars in year for sure
[2016-02-13 14:13:48] Mangalica : a margin avalanche is in the books, judging from polo BTC lend rates being this high for so long
[2016-02-13 14:14:09] Mangalica : would do much good for my short, but then i've been lending BTC for a while and i also want to get those back
[2016-02-13 14:14:20] Mangalica : :/
[2016-02-13 14:16:05] Mangalica : so i guess i'll just hope for this slow bleed to go on
[2016-02-13 14:16:15] habibi : i wouldnt say its slow
[2016-02-13 14:16:21] habibi : pretty impresive imho
[2016-02-13 14:16:49] Mangalica : slower than 20% in a 5 min candle, which isn't impossible
[2016-02-13 14:16:50] Mangalica : :)
[2016-02-13 14:17:37] jung1 : Mangalica: where you rebuy?
[2016-02-13 14:17:38] Mangalica : alright, given the bids around 0.01 it's not likely, but still. Just wanna see people liquidated in an orderly manner.
[2016-02-13 14:18:02] Mangalica : a Stalinesque sell-off
[2016-02-13 14:18:10] Mangalica : no idea jung1
[2016-02-13 14:18:28] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 5 @ 0.01156
[2016-02-13 14:18:35] jung1 : in last pump I sold fo 0.01 and place a order at 0.085, the it hit 0.00850001
[2016-02-13 14:18:37] jung1 : hehe
[2016-02-13 14:19:29] jung1 : altoicns: loosing money was naver so fun
[2016-02-13 14:19:36] Mangalica : ETH accelerating..
[2016-02-13 14:19:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 800 @ 0.01120
[2016-02-13 14:19:38] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 50 @ 0.01144
[2016-02-13 14:19:45] habibi : huge dpe if we wont bounce
[2016-02-13 14:19:47] Tulip_stefan : wow...
[2016-02-13 14:20:53] rapidtrades : no dpe?
[2016-02-13 14:21:05] habibi : strange
[2016-02-13 14:21:28] jung1 : 0.01 is really possible
[2016-02-13 14:21:36] habibi : yea yea
[2016-02-13 14:21:57] Mangalica : 0.011 getting nuked
[2016-02-13 14:27:48] jung1 : I will wait with my bids. lets see what will happen around 0.01
[2016-02-13 14:28:05] jung1 : maybe we will buy some at 0.007
[2016-02-13 14:28:15] habibi : or just wait till 100$
[2016-02-13 14:29:47] jung1 : dont worry
[2016-02-13 14:30:40] Tulip_stefan : i was hoping it would crash...
[2016-02-13 14:31:44] Mangalica : closed half my shorts down there but the other half is not gonna end up green at this rate
[2016-02-13 14:32:06] rapidtrades : dam that reversal
[2016-02-13 14:37:39] jung1 : maybe its not the end of dump yet
[2016-02-13 14:40:22] habibi : yep more dump and then boom-> 100$ <3
[2016-02-13 14:41:04] Mangalica : ok closed the rest of my short, we can crash 30% now
[2016-02-13 14:42:01] Tulip_stefan : that's a hell of a volatile stock...
[2016-02-13 14:42:21] habibi : u said i familiar with altcoin world
[2016-02-13 14:42:24] habibi : u*
[2016-02-13 14:42:25] habibi : :p
[2016-02-13 14:43:39] Tulip_stefan : i actually haven't looked at charts in a really long while.
[2016-02-13 14:44:14] Tulip_stefan : i don't believe in TA. Doesn't make much sense to look at charts then.
[2016-02-13 14:44:44] habibi : me either but support/ressistance lvls/break outs are kinda working for me
[2016-02-13 14:45:26] habibi : and fractals sometimes
[2016-02-13 14:45:27] Tulip_stefan : That's not TA?
[2016-02-13 14:45:37] habibi : not? ah sorry then :D
[2016-02-13 14:46:14] Tulip_stefan : i tried a lot of TA with machine learning and the results where... non existent.
[2016-02-13 14:47:52] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: of course it's ta...
[2016-02-13 14:48:30] Tulip_stefan : i know, the tone of my statement was lost somewhere along the internet.
[2016-02-13 14:48:49] rapidtrades : ok then
[2016-02-13 14:48:51] habibi : *confused
[2016-02-13 14:49:08] rapidtrades : he's saying that's TA too and u shuldn't make money
[2016-02-13 14:49:20] rapidtrades : better quit now habiib
[2016-02-13 14:49:38] habibi : god damm it, two options. i am lier he lies
[2016-02-13 14:51:05] Tulip_stefan : i'll go for option 3, the random gods are in your favor.
[2016-02-13 14:51:41] rapidtrades : well that's it habibi...we better pack up our bags and go find another job
[2016-02-13 14:51:57] rapidtrades : TA doesn't work
[2016-02-13 14:52:24] habibi : last time i tried to find a job i spent 20k$ on gpu mining rigs
[2016-02-13 14:53:05] Tulip_stefan : i didn't spent 20k but i also brought a mining rig :P
[2016-02-13 14:53:24] Tulip_stefan : i sold the GPU and re-purposed it as a server about 3 weeks later..
[2016-02-13 14:53:35] Tulip_stefan : still using it to run my trading bot.
[2016-02-13 14:53:42] habibi : i used to be really proud of my rig, it was so beautiful
[2016-02-13 14:54:59] habibi : ah here it is, take a look http://imgur.com/EIF769N
[2016-02-13 14:56:31] Mangalica : new local lows on ETH meanwhile
[2016-02-13 14:57:06] jung1 : its yours huobi ?
[2016-02-13 14:57:20] habibi : used to be, sold it time ago
[2016-02-13 14:58:44] rapidtrades : for how mach
[2016-02-13 14:58:57] habibi : 10k usd
[2016-02-13 14:59:12] rapidtrades : dam 10k loss...did u mine smth
[2016-02-13 14:59:21] Tulip_stefan : Not bad.
[2016-02-13 14:59:55] habibi : yep, profits were made nicely
[2016-02-13 15:00:14] rapidtrades : nice nice....
[2016-02-13 15:00:35] rapidtrades : I got a rig with ATI card to have the option to mine...then BTC crashed from 30>2
[2016-02-13 15:01:24] rapidtrades : I gave up that idea quickly...main purpose wasn't mining tho so not hurt much :)
[2016-02-13 15:02:10] rapidtrades : it retrospect I could make $500 per month but who knew btc would spike after that crash
[2016-02-13 15:02:40] habibi : true, i am getting sad if i think that somehow i didnt knew bitcoin back before 2013
[2016-02-13 15:02:57] Mangalica : i remember looking at the Avalon ASICS in 2012
[2016-02-13 15:03:25] rapidtrades : I knew about bitcoin when it was basically free....but didn't think it was worth it to download the client and cpu mine :)
[2016-02-13 15:03:42] Tulip_stefan : i stepped in right after the $1000 bubble :(
[2016-02-13 15:03:51] Mangalica : had almost the money to buy but decided against
[2016-02-13 15:04:13] Mangalica : those made like 400-500 USD a DAY next spring
[2016-02-13 15:05:01] rapidtrades : But if you look at a lot of the early adapters, not many are millionaires now
[2016-02-13 15:05:18] Mangalica : panic mined some shitcoins with my GPU that spring/summer and that established my trading bankroll
[2016-02-13 15:05:28] rapidtrades : they either got out too early or lost it later on
[2016-02-13 15:05:33] jung1 : back in '11 and early '12 there was faucents that give 5btc avery 15min
[2016-02-13 15:06:21] Mangalica : i keep telling myself i only got to know about BTC in the second half of 2012
[2016-02-13 15:06:46] Tulip_stefan : just wait 3-4 years. Either we'll be a millionaires or btc goes to zero. 50% chance :P
[2016-02-13 15:06:56] Mangalica : but i have a vague memory reading something about dollar parity.. perhaps it's a suppressed memory to keep my sanity :)
[2016-02-13 15:07:58] jung1 : eth back in the game?
[2016-02-13 15:08:16] Mangalica : depends on how far this little bounce goes
[2016-02-13 15:08:30] Mangalica : we could bounce here making lower highs and then test 0.01 for all i know
[2016-02-13 15:08:57] Mangalica : a bearflag if you like
[2016-02-13 15:09:22] jung1 : lokks like small double floor on 5min
[2016-02-13 15:09:25] Mangalica : yeah
[2016-02-13 15:09:32] Mangalica : for now
[2016-02-13 15:10:00] Tulip_stefan : What exactly is the deal with the `margin` websocket call? It will only send the fields it thinks are changed?
[2016-02-13 15:10:15] Mangalica : opened a very speculative long when it bounced the second time but i'm not too confident
[2016-02-13 15:12:06] BitMEX_Sam : Tulip_stefan: All websocket subscriptions send deltas only
[2016-02-13 15:12:25] Tulip_stefan : Ahh i didn't realize that.
[2016-02-13 15:12:27] BitMEX_Sam : It's expected that you get the initial data via an HTTP call or via `pushAccount`.
[2016-02-13 15:12:39] BitMEX_Sam : In the (very) near future we'll be pushing the initial data when you first subscribe to make it easier.
[2016-02-13 15:13:14] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: hey Sam, how it was possible there was no dpe on eth even on the dip?
[2016-02-13 15:13:23] Tulip_stefan : yeah i read that. For the time being i'll just call `pushAccount` on first connect.
[2016-02-13 15:13:43] habibi : ah maybe that yesterday 36k liquidation on 24h cover a bit of 7eth now?
[2016-02-13 15:13:44] BitMEX_Sam : Tulip_stefan: Sounds good - we plan to launch the new API features by Monday so you'll be able to rip that out very shortly
[2016-02-13 15:13:48] BitMEX_Sam : It's already in Testnet
[2016-02-13 15:13:56] BitMEX_Sam : So if you develop with that as a target you'll get the new features.
[2016-02-13 15:14:13] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: I haven't been watching that market closely but I assume the retraces allowed the engine to close liqs out in the black
[2016-02-13 15:14:51] habibi : shieet, cant find "out in the black" meaning
[2016-02-13 15:15:47] jung1 : poza w czarnym
[2016-02-13 15:15:48] BitMEX_Sam : As in, in profit
[2016-02-13 15:15:50] Mangalica : no collateral damage / need for profit adjustment
[2016-02-13 15:16:16] habibi : i was watching market at the time of all three liqs happen, didnt show them closed into market but maybe i am wrong
[2016-02-13 15:16:19] BitMEX_Sam : If the liquidation engine manages to close out a position with some extra money left, that's used to offset any positions that are closed out with a deficit
[2016-02-13 15:16:45] habibi : so there are no liq to get closed right now there?
[2016-02-13 15:17:49] j8 : also the DPE estimate is relative to the mark price, which was about 5% above the market at the time
[2016-02-13 15:18:03] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Nope, no liquidations: https://www.bitmex.com/api/v1/order/liquidations
[2016-02-13 15:18:32] BitMEX_Sam : But this is a good show of why we chose the mark pricing system, instead of last price
[2016-02-13 15:18:36] habibi : ah that api shows all open liqs?
[2016-02-13 15:18:42] BitMEX_Sam : 15x leverage on this market is quite a lot and yet it can be managed
[2016-02-13 15:18:49] BitMEX_Sam : habibi: Yep
[2016-02-13 15:19:01] habibi : good to know
[2016-02-13 15:19:14] habibi : though it only shows last time for specific ammount of time
[2016-02-13 15:19:48] BitMEX_Sam : It only shows them while they're open
[2016-02-13 15:19:54] BitMEX_Sam : We don't yet have an endpoint for historical data
[2016-02-13 15:20:41] jung1 : keep an eye on monero also
[2016-02-13 15:20:42] jung1 : http://i.imgur.com/kzMREt7.jpg