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[2016-02-12 14:07:00] Tulip_stefan : i think that was the wrong term. When can we expect that on main net?
[2016-02-12 14:08:10] BitMEX_Wally : This month
[2016-02-12 14:22:44] JMG99 : anyone care to provide some liquidity on eth7d?
[2016-02-12 14:23:27] habibi : wait till market will move so u can have actually some liqudidity
[2016-02-12 14:28:04] Tulip_stefan : when i've programmed bitmex into my bot platform i'll provide some liquidity. Should be this weekend.
[2016-02-12 14:29:07] habibi : Tulip_stefan: on eth contracts?
[2016-02-12 14:30:14] Tulip_stefan : yea, why not?
[2016-02-12 14:30:47] Tulip_stefan : i'm more interested in btc trading though. But i'l try out eth trading too with a smaller amount to see how it goes.
[2016-02-12 14:32:54] 1z6 : Open positions, "ROE %" . Is this based on latest wallet rebalance?
[2016-02-12 14:36:21] BitMEX_Wally : 1z6: Yes, ROE is a calculation of unrealised PNL which gets reset after each rebalance
[2016-02-12 14:40:09] Mangalica : ETH is moving again on polo
[2016-02-12 14:42:45] jung1 : polo is so laggy and slow
[2016-02-12 14:45:54] Mangalica : well it was effectively frozen for an hour or something
[2016-02-12 14:50:33] jung1 : eth is good for me so far. I made over 180% in one week
[2016-02-12 14:53:00] Tulip_stefan : nice.
[2016-02-12 14:58:08] ikurilin : guys, anybody knows why on the XBT24H graph it reports that the price was 380.35 at UTC12:00 while the closing price for .XBT30M is 380.13 ?
[2016-02-12 15:00:29] ikurilin : in tradingview XBT1D is reported 380.13 at 12:00UTC
[2016-02-12 15:00:45] tscha : *The BitMEX .XBT30M Index is a 30-minute TWAP of the Bitcoin price at TradeBlock ending at 12:00 UTC from the .XBT Index.*
[2016-02-12 15:01:44] ikurilin : yep, and XBT24H is just .XBT30M so they should be same
[2016-02-12 15:01:58] tscha : Oh, misread your comment... the graph just shows the last trade
[2016-02-12 15:02:20] Tulip_stefan : i'm not sure what you mean by 'price of XBT24H'. Don't you mean the last trade?
[2016-02-12 15:02:28] j8 : 380.35 was the last trade at 11:56:34 UTC
[2016-02-12 15:03:15] ikurilin : ah, you mean XBT24H graph is "the last trade"
[2016-02-12 15:05:26] j8 : settlement does show up as a trade at 12:00:00 UTC, looks like the chart may put that in the 12:01 bin though
[2016-02-12 15:05:46] j8 : but otherwise the index isn't on the chart
[2016-02-12 15:06:41] ikurilin : how do I see "the spot" and XBT24H on the same graph? By "spot" I mean the price which will be used for settlement
[2016-02-12 15:06:48] tscha : settlement does not show up in the graph
[2016-02-12 15:07:33] BitMEX_Wally : The settlement trade is at 11:59:59.999 and doesn't appear in the bin
[2016-02-12 15:07:39] tscha : apart from the fact that it would make no sense, it would also break the volume indicator
[2016-02-12 15:08:48] ikurilin : not sure I got why it makes no sense
[2016-02-12 15:10:01] ikurilin : I want see the spot and futures prices in one graph. Theoretically they should converge at 12:00 UTC
[2016-02-12 15:10:13] BitMEX_Sam : We've looked into offering the ability to plot the underlying index on the chart.
[2016-02-12 15:10:27] BitMEX_Sam : It's in our issue tracker and will be added to the site in the coming weeks.
[2016-02-12 15:10:27] tscha : that would be cool
[2016-02-12 15:11:03] ikurilin : thanks Sam!
[2016-02-12 15:11:20] tscha : ikurilin: no, theoretically they wouldn't since settlement is based on a TWAP and not on the 12:00 price
[2016-02-12 15:14:15] ikurilin : good point. It would be nice to see .XBT30M on the graph
[2016-02-12 15:14:42] BitMEX_Wally : `.XBT30M` only prints one trade a day, but we know what you mean :)
[2016-02-12 15:17:02] ikurilin : right :) What about .XBT ?
[2016-02-12 15:17:50] BitMEX_Wally : `.XBT` prints every minute, we're working on adding it the chart soon
[2016-02-12 15:19:59] ikurilin : Thanks Wally! I've just joined and I'm trying to make sense out of the system
[2016-02-12 15:50:26] rapidtrades : so much activity in chat with no BTC moves...are u all on the eth train
[2016-02-12 15:50:52] jung1 : yup
[2016-02-12 15:50:54] rapidtrades : cos ya'll week none of youz b1tches was here
[2016-02-12 15:51:11] jung1 : I was on polo
[2016-02-12 15:51:19] rapidtrades : hope u get polo
[2016-02-12 15:51:25] jung1 : yolo
[2016-02-12 15:51:27] habibi : :D
[2016-02-12 15:51:35] rapidtrades : oh that was polio...
[2016-02-12 15:51:38] rapidtrades : joke fail
[2016-02-12 15:52:07] rapidtrades : smone wants to buy 16k at 381.55
[2016-02-12 15:52:08] habibi : actually i laughed so joke accepted :p
[2016-02-12 15:52:17] rapidtrades : :)
[2016-02-12 15:52:52] rapidtrades : so eth at discount here....what do u make of that
[2016-02-12 15:53:31] habibi : dont put bets before its starts to move
[2016-02-12 15:54:08] jung1 : I rebouht at 14
[2016-02-12 15:54:13] habibi : i mean opposite bets to move coz its easy to get better price
[2016-02-12 15:54:28] jung1 : and keep refreshing "my balance page
[2016-02-12 15:54:30] jung1 : hehe
[2016-02-12 15:54:35] jung1 : btw http://emercoin.com/VPS_SETUP_GUIDE
[2016-02-12 15:54:55] jung1 : emerocoin is in microsoft azure
[2016-02-12 15:55:16] jung1 : could be good bet
[2016-02-12 15:55:20] rapidtrades : this talk is too esoteric for me
[2016-02-12 15:56:16] habibi : rapidtrades: anyway the only reason we have discount here on eth is that market maker is the only liqudity provider and has short net position:)
[2016-02-12 15:56:49] rapidtrades : how much is that discount....i don't work well with 0.0000001
[2016-02-12 15:56:55] habibi : long* people have short on mm
[2016-02-12 15:57:25] rapidtrades : that's 1.4% isnt it...not bad
[2016-02-12 15:57:51] rapidtrades : well it was...now it's bit lower
[2016-02-12 15:58:24] habibi : yep jumping here and polio much.
[2016-02-12 15:58:41] rapidtrades : is polio the best way to trade spot eth
[2016-02-12 15:59:01] j8 : kraken's usually been at a discount too, they're around the same as here
[2016-02-12 15:59:12] rapidtrades : f kraken
[2016-02-12 15:59:27] j8 : haven't traded there
[2016-02-12 16:05:42] jung1 : kraken is quite cool
[2016-02-12 16:06:44] Tulip_stefan : kraken api
[2016-02-12 16:07:02] Tulip_stefan : kraken's api is quite horrible with 5 seconds-one-request rate limiting
[2016-02-12 16:07:56] gielbier : yeah that rate limit on kraken is horrible
[2016-02-12 16:08:00] j8 : yeah, actually thats mainly why i haven't bothered
[2016-02-12 16:08:01] Tulip_stefan : they have a websocket api in progress but that's taking a while now...
[2016-02-12 16:08:43] Tulip_stefan : i actually have implemented kraken's api in my bot, but have never seen much success, i haven't used them for a while.
[2016-02-12 16:09:02] Tulip_stefan : it's the only exchange where i'm properly verified, though.
[2016-02-12 16:09:51] BitMEX_Sam : That's an aggressive ratelimit.
[2016-02-12 16:10:07] gielbier : Their charts are horrible aswell.
[2016-02-12 16:10:27] BitMEX_Sam : That makes it pretty much impossible to automate anything if they don't have websocket or bulk orders.
[2016-02-12 16:11:18] gielbier : yeah. I made a node script that just to get some proper visualisation.
[2016-02-12 16:11:38] gielbier : that just parses the orderhistory, and send its to plotly
[2016-02-12 16:12:56] tscha : one request per 5 seconds? lol
[2016-02-12 16:13:27] gielbier : yeah crazy stuff.
[2016-02-12 16:14:09] habibi : did they finally pay for cloudflare :D?
[2016-02-12 16:38:28] rapidtrades : NO
[2016-02-12 16:46:13] rapidtrades : actually I don't know
[2016-02-12 16:50:36] Tulip_stefan : I see a lot of people ranting about okcoin's websocket api lately.
[2016-02-12 16:50:56] Tulip_stefan : did anyone ever try to implement bter's api back in 2014? Well that was bad...
[2016-02-12 16:51:20] rapidtrades : I'll answer that q but lemme get smth first
[2016-02-12 16:51:26] rapidtrades : *gets gun
[2016-02-12 16:51:31] rapidtrades : *shoots head
[2016-02-12 17:00:44] gielbier : Tulip_stefan: nope. but did you try mcxnow api?
[2016-02-12 17:01:02] gielbier : just just made my xml hate bigger.
[2016-02-12 17:02:01] Tulip_stefan : nope, i never tried that one.
[2016-02-12 17:05:58] Tulip_stefan : for those lucky souls who've never tried beter. Their create order api call returned a random integer as order id. Their orderbook and ticker calls returned an orderbook from a different market 1/10th of the time, and one of their more usefull api calls, one that returned the tickers for all markets (you really wanted to use that, since they had 250 markets) was documented to update every 10 seconds. But it actually updated every second for one minute and then returned the same thing the next 9 minutes.
[2016-02-12 17:06:04] Tulip_stefan : and probaly a few other thing;s i forgot.
[2016-02-12 17:06:56] BitMEX_Sam : Wow
[2016-02-12 17:07:01] BitMEX_Sam : That's impressively bad
[2016-02-12 17:07:12] BitMEX_Sam : As in.. that almost takes effort
[2016-02-12 17:07:33] jung1 : but hey. Yhey have not any competitors back in time
[2016-02-12 17:07:49] jung1 : so they dont have to care about this
[2016-02-12 17:08:00] BitMEX_Sam : That's also part of the issue when your webapp doesn't actually use your API
[2016-02-12 17:08:04] BitMEX_Sam : The API stagnates
[2016-02-12 17:08:10] Tulip_stefan : and don't forget the cloudflare http responses on their json api!
[2016-02-12 17:14:50] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: agreed, having the web interface being an actual client of the API is an awesome thing
[2016-02-12 17:15:11] BitMEX_Sam : Simplifies development a lot tbh, and forces you to care about your API
[2016-02-12 17:15:19] BitMEX_Sam : And there's only a single code path.
[2016-02-12 17:15:49] jung1 : Tulip_stefan: have you traded on cmx?
[2016-02-12 17:15:55] jung1 : mcx
[2016-02-12 17:16:22] Tulip_stefan : nope.
[2016-02-12 17:18:42] Tulip_stefan : my bot supports/has supported bitfinex, bitmex, bitstamp, btcchina, btce, bter, cex, coincheck, cryptsy, hitbtc, itbit, kraken, mintpal and 0kcoin
[2016-02-12 17:19:36] jung1 : so how long are you work on it?
[2016-02-12 17:20:11] Tulip_stefan : since december 2013, bit over 2 years.
[2016-02-12 17:21:47] jung1 : any tips how to avoid loses? I realized that take profit is not that hard as keep that money
[2016-02-12 17:23:01] Tulip_stefan : i don't have any tips on that. i haven't traded with margin yet. On spot i always go all in and take zero risk management.
[2016-02-12 17:23:55] Tulip_stefan : my algorithm does offer enough guarantees that risk management isn't needed.
[2016-02-12 17:24:15] jung1 : nice
[2016-02-12 17:24:21] Tulip_stefan : I has some issues with warbots in 2014 though....
[2016-02-12 17:25:03] jung1 : warbots?
[2016-02-12 17:25:23] Tulip_stefan : bots specifically designed to lure my algorithm into bad trades.
[2016-02-12 17:28:09] Tulip_stefan : it was pretty funny actually. I was making profits every day, and then suddenly i have hundreds of btc volume on some obscure shitcoin i've never heard about.
[2016-02-12 17:28:32] Tulip_stefan : hats of for whoever figured out to mislead my bot.
[2016-02-12 17:35:38] BitMEX_Sam : We had that happen during our trading games in beta.
[2016-02-12 17:35:59] BitMEX_Sam : We had an MM running that was pretty stupid... a few users took advantage of it majorly. No harm done but fun to watch.
[2016-02-12 17:39:41] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: are u mm on eth atm?
[2016-02-12 17:39:49] BitMEX_Sam : No
[2016-02-12 17:41:15] BitMEX_Sam : I've seen a few go in and out, seems to be a couple doing different qtys
[2016-02-12 18:26:17] habibi : yep, one main with 150 and now 200 qty and few others tried to catch some nice under/over spot s price
[2016-02-12 18:51:36] tradedesk : first troll 's best troll. bitcoin is stupid
[2016-02-12 18:52:00] tradedesk : see you are talking about me :D
[2016-02-12 18:52:15] habibi : eth mm :)?
[2016-02-12 18:52:46] tradedesk : no lol trading eth
[2016-02-12 19:00:53] habibi : cheap eth here :)
[2016-02-12 19:02:25] habibi : too late
[2016-02-12 19:04:24] tradedesk : rotfl another 100% move
[2016-02-12 19:10:35] habibi : mm is lagging so much today
[2016-02-12 19:10:44] habibi : but its probally coz polo lags
[2016-02-12 19:18:23] DareDevil : eth going back to 170 / 180 :)
[2016-02-12 20:02:18] Tulip_stefan : For some reason i can't get the authentication with api key working. Any tips that aren't yet described in the documentation?
[2016-02-12 20:08:39] Tulip_stefan : hmm my api private key is a fair bit longer than the example key. Could that be the problem?
[2016-02-12 20:09:17] sleger : Tulip_stefan: run the sample maker code
[2016-02-12 20:10:51] Tulip_stefan : Nevermind it works now... i think i've mis copy-pasted the api secret key like 3 times in a row.....
[2016-02-12 21:00:37] Strobelov : The moody clipboard strikes again
[2016-02-12 21:06:50] BitMEX_Sam : I've had that happen so many times that I just hit cmd+c three or four times in a row out of habit
[2016-02-12 21:07:56] BitMEX_Sam : Anyway, keys are always a constant length, so if your key looks significantly different than the examples, there's an error.
[2016-02-12 21:14:09] Tulip_stefan : Also, when the api-expires header is too old, it'll return the same invalid signature error.
[2016-02-12 21:16:59] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 100 @ 0.01466
[2016-02-12 21:21:49] BitMEX_Sam : Hmm. It should return a different error for that, let me double-check
[2016-02-12 21:47:33] BitMEX_Sam : Tulip_stefan: You should be seeing a 401 with `{"error":{"message":"This request has expired - `expires` is in the past. Current time: 1455313633","name":"HTTPError"}}`
[2016-02-12 21:48:33] Tulip_stefan : that's weird. Let me check again.
[2016-02-12 21:49:59] BitMEX_Sam : Are you working on the live site or Testnet?
[2016-02-12 21:50:08] Tulip_stefan : live
[2016-02-12 21:51:02] BitMEX_Sam : I'd recommend Testnet while you're working, just in case
[2016-02-12 21:55:52] Tulip_stefan : that is GET /api/v1/order
[2016-02-12 21:56:19] Tulip_stefan : hmm i typed something but it disappeared.
[2016-02-12 21:57:05] Tulip_stefan : when i set the api-expires 10000 in the future, i get signature invalid. 10000 in the past gives the expected error message. Removing the api-expires header and the requests get through normally
[2016-02-12 21:57:50] BitMEX_Sam : You're sending an api-expires of `10000`?
[2016-02-12 21:58:28] BitMEX_Sam : Rather, now() + 10000?
[2016-02-12 21:59:34] Tulip_stefan : now() + 10000
[2016-02-12 21:59:44] BitMEX_Sam : So more or less `1465314370`
[2016-02-12 21:59:59] BitMEX_Sam : (Generally, btw, you shouldn't use much more than `now() + 5`)
[2016-02-12 22:01:55] Tulip_stefan : yeah i get that, i already have code to make all network requests serial, i should just use that.
[2016-02-12 22:03:18] BitMEX_Sam : My thought is that if you log the headers being sent it might lead you to the issue.
[2016-02-12 22:03:27] BitMEX_Sam : In any case, very soon we will be supporting bulk order placement & amends
[2016-02-12 22:04:06] BitMEX_Sam : We have a reference MM bot that we always update to the latest API features - see https://github.com/BitMEX/market-maker/blob/master/market_maker/bitmex.py#L147
[2016-02-12 22:28:37] tscha : glad this week is over soon... welcome back volume
[2016-02-12 22:38:18] habibi : everyone looking forward monday
[2016-02-12 22:56:50] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: Hi Sam! Any ETA for bulk orders and amend on live?
[2016-02-12 22:57:23] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: We're aiming for Monday
[2016-02-12 22:57:47] micmix : BitMEX_Sam: very nice, thanks!
[2016-02-12 22:59:20] habibi : micmix: how are u man? could i ask what ur actual view for markets?
[2016-02-12 23:00:27] tscha : 300k buy order on 24H :)
[2016-02-12 23:06:54] Mangalica : okc weeklies are having some weird bot volume going on as well
[2016-02-12 23:08:34] Mangalica : started roughly the same time they turned on the volumizer on spot
[2016-02-12 23:09:54] micmix : Hi habibi! I don't have any opinion on market direction, too much uncertainty with blocksize debate. Could be very volatile month or two.
[2016-02-12 23:12:23] habibi : volatily is good
[2016-02-12 23:12:44] micmix : I have longs and shorts with net long overall
[2016-02-12 23:18:54] sleger : micmix: hey, could you tell me what is the instrument name for this_week on the fix api for 0kcoin please ?
[2016-02-12 23:19:53] micmix : sleger: BTC0219 this week I think
[2016-02-12 23:20:51] sleger : their documentation says nothing about it. Alright will try to play around that, thanks @micmix
[2016-02-12 23:25:29] sleger : micmix: I get " 58=symbol must BTC/USD or LTC/USD
"
[2016-02-12 23:25:49] micmix : let me check
[2016-02-12 23:28:55] sleger : maybe its a different endpoint/port for futures ?
[2016-02-13 00:04:38] micmix : sleger: That's weird, looks like we are using FIX for spot and REST for futures. I was sure we are using FIX for everything. Let me do some checks, it's been couple years since I touched that code.
[2016-02-13 00:06:09] micmix : sleger: usually in FIX you send instrument info with SecurityType (167) =FUT, MaturityMonthYear (200) and MaturityDay (205) to select which futures you want to work with
[2016-02-13 00:08:15] sleger : i have a support request open for a while but nobody was in due to "new year"
[2016-02-13 00:08:32] sleger : Thanks anyways @micmix I guess you dont trade that much on futures there
[2016-02-13 00:09:19] micmix : no, we don't have anything running on okc futures ATM. maybe I tried FIX for futures 2 years ago and gave up :-(
[2016-02-13 00:09:46] micmix : I will play with it over the weekend
[2016-02-13 00:23:25] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 36300 @ 384.65 **MEGA-REKT** :boom:
[2016-02-13 00:24:23] habibi : wtf
[2016-02-13 00:24:24] habibi : :D
[2016-02-13 00:26:10] BitMEX_Sam : Wow
[2016-02-13 00:26:39] BitMEX_Sam : :rocket: :full_moon:
[2016-02-13 00:45:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 15 @ 0.01399
[2016-02-13 00:49:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.01392 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-13 02:03:45] rapidtrades : well....welll.....weeeeelll
[2016-02-13 02:05:56] messiaen8844 : BitMEX_Sam: Possibily interface bug? Many times Order History won't show any data until you refresh the page
[2016-02-13 02:06:43] habibi : have the same, and sometimes some tiny orders dont show up and when i hit the book its shows i was taker of some small orders
[2016-02-13 02:08:12] rapidtrades : what happened fellas
[2016-02-13 02:08:28] messiaen8844 : habibi: also happens when I'm drunk
[2016-02-13 02:08:53] habibi : i am not touching any trading when i drunk, but good luck :)
[2016-02-13 02:08:53] messiaen8844 : stupid orders appear out of nowhere
[2016-02-13 02:13:48] rapidtrades : well Metatrader is f*cked
[2016-02-13 02:15:13] rapidtrades : f unreaal....none of them work, desktop or mobile
[2016-02-13 02:16:23] rapidtrades : FUCKING RUSSIANA
[2016-02-13 02:17:02] rapidtrades : how the f can they do this
[2016-02-13 03:00:42] rapidtrades : any tips for how to re-sync my google auth? it doesn't work on one of my phones
[2016-02-13 03:01:30] rapidtrades : the in app thing says it's already synced but it's obv not cos the other app shows diff codes
[2016-02-13 03:01:47] j8 : is the phone's date/time wrong
[2016-02-13 03:02:25] rapidtrades : it was when I turned it on, not it's on network time but I still noticed a very slight lag compared to my other app
[2016-02-13 03:02:40] rapidtrades : not sure why it keeps lagging
[2016-02-13 03:03:10] j8 : normally within ~30 secs is fine
[2016-02-13 03:03:24] rapidtrades : well...guess im f then
[2016-02-13 03:03:57] j8 : there's something in settings to make it sync
[2016-02-13 03:04:00] rapidtrades : tips?
[2016-02-13 03:04:13] rapidtrades : there is but it says already synced...LIES
[2016-02-13 03:05:38] j8 : dunno then
[2016-02-13 03:05:44] rapidtrades : WHAT
[2016-02-13 03:06:00] j8 : then i dunno
[2016-02-13 03:06:15] rapidtrades : damit i had btc-e in that app...now I have to send my docs to the russian mafia
[2016-02-13 03:08:16] rapidtrades : if it's okay within 30 secs then why do the two apps throw out diff codes?
[2016-02-13 03:18:36] j8 : the server would accept more than one code if its within the time threshold
[2016-02-13 03:24:28] rapidtrades : j8: yeah works now...2 apps still throw out diff codes
[2016-02-13 03:24:59] rapidtrades : close enough I guess...
[2016-02-13 03:26:42] j8 : nice
[2016-02-13 03:28:29] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 386 @ 0.01475
[2016-02-13 03:31:14] rapidtrades : I sent a support ticked re: metatrader F*CK UP...but not sure if they have anyone working right now...it is btc-e after all
[2016-02-13 03:31:51] rapidtrades : those f*cks are MT4 should learn that there are other markets that trade 24/7
[2016-02-13 03:57:07] zanza : can't close your short rapidtrades ?
[2016-02-13 04:03:17] rapidtrades : nope
[2016-02-13 04:06:53] salcon : ту зе мун
[2016-02-13 04:07:49] rapidtrades : hey russian...speak to ur pals at mt4 to turn it back on
[2016-02-13 04:08:57] salcon : rapidtrades: это не в моей компентенции. и руководство не из россии
[2016-02-13 04:09:17] rapidtrades : yeah it is...didn't a russian make it
[2016-02-13 04:14:29] rapidtrades : The company is registered in Cyprus, however, it was founded and is primarily based in Russia
[2016-02-13 04:14:41] rapidtrades : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaQuotes_Software
[2016-02-13 04:29:54] rapidtrades : idk about this breakout...not much follow-through
[2016-02-13 04:32:52] rapidtrades : closed most of my short but still not ''buying'' this pump
[2016-02-13 04:36:46] messiaen8844 : BTC??????
[2016-02-13 04:37:01] messiaen8844 : you were shorting this?
[2016-02-13 04:37:47] messiaen8844 : be careful, very strong formation here
[2016-02-13 04:43:56] rapidtrades : I've been short for over 1 month now bud
[2016-02-13 04:44:42] messiaen8844 : probably did well, now strong reversal
[2016-02-13 04:45:16] messiaen8844 : especialy if 400+
[2016-02-13 04:45:23] rapidtrades : made peanuts so far...will prolly breakeven if go above 400
[2016-02-13 04:45:44] rapidtrades : still have a small short on
[2016-02-13 04:46:04] messiaen8844 : I see sell rage only at 420, then bigger resistance at 460
[2016-02-13 04:47:28] rapidtrades : if u look at daily chart we've stayed basically around here since middle of Jan
[2016-02-13 04:48:09] rapidtrades : just swinging around
[2016-02-13 05:11:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 4 @ 389.69 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-13 05:19:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 25 @ 0.01306
[2016-02-13 05:19:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 300 @ 0.01291
[2016-02-13 05:21:22] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 42 @ 0.01252
[2016-02-13 06:33:54] jung1 : How deep we will fall with eth?
[2016-02-13 06:44:17] Tulip_stefan : we need to go deeper, imo.
[2016-02-13 06:44:33] SnackyCoins : 0.007
[2016-02-13 06:46:58] jung1 : Hmm
[2016-02-13 06:48:11] jung1 : 17k buy offer at 1285
[2016-02-13 07:52:39] Tulip_stefan : is there any way to get the websocket to send a 'margin' message when connected, rather than just on change?
[2016-02-13 07:54:06] Tulip_stefan : nevermind, it doesn't give me all information i need, so i need to fallback to REST anyway.
[2016-02-13 07:59:22] BitMEX_Wally : Tulip_stefan: You don't need to use REST. After we upgrade the engine on Monday we will push the full `margin` image to you when you subscribe over WebSocke
[2016-02-13 07:59:50] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment you can use `pushAccount` over WebSocket to get the initial image, but we are going to deprecate this and make it automatic
[2016-02-13 08:00:08] Tulip_stefan : awsome.
[2016-02-13 08:00:51] BitMEX_Wally : (some people do not understand how the whole point of WebSocket is to be push async changes, and they have been repeatedly calling `pushAccount` every second)
[2016-02-13 08:02:38] BitMEX_Wally : The changes are already live in testnet so you can develop against that
[2016-02-13 08:02:45] BitMEX_Wally : Whenever you subscribe to anything you get push a relevant image
[2016-02-13 08:02:53] BitMEX_Wally : `trade` will push the last trade
[2016-02-13 08:03:01] BitMEX_Wally : `order` will push all open orders
[2016-02-13 08:03:41] BitMEX_Wally : `position` will push all your positions, etc
[2016-02-13 08:06:07] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 249 @ 0.01402
[2016-02-13 08:09:37] tradedesk : hell why was that one liquidated? absolute no orders in book near that price or activity on the pair
[2016-02-13 08:10:06] habibi : dont know but shorted on that order :D
[2016-02-13 08:10:25] slavo : when will you add xmr contracts :D
[2016-02-13 08:10:38] habibi : who said they will?
[2016-02-13 08:12:29] habibi : tradedesk: anyway looks like this order hit margin, and opened price was above spot price
[2016-02-13 08:12:55] tradedesk : spot price was 1388
[2016-02-13 08:13:19] habibi : exacly! and long open price was 1416
[2016-02-13 08:13:29] rapidtrades : need some help here....I entered some shorts way back on okc at 483....how do I calculate my exposure? I get 2 different values by using the calc and by inputting the value in the fields
[2016-02-13 08:14:37] habibi : tradedesk: i u take a look at polo price at 9:06 u will see it dropped in wick to 1366
[2016-02-13 08:14:42] habibi : that caused liq probally
[2016-02-13 08:14:54] rapidtrades : one says 8.86 btc but the calc says a loss/gain or $740 if price moves $100..so exposure is 7.4btc...
[2016-02-13 08:15:31] tradedesk : even poloniex stayed within my liquidation price
[2016-02-13 08:15:42] tradedesk : and that was the highest exchange at the moment
[2016-02-13 08:18:07] habibi : ask BitMEX_Wally to get proper anserw
[2016-02-13 08:18:15] tradedesk : i opened a support ticket
[2016-02-13 08:18:38] BitMEX_Wally : tradedesk: Looking into it
[2016-02-13 08:24:09] rapidtrades : been doing some calcs and it appears that the okc calculator is not accurate
[2016-02-13 08:24:53] BitMEX_Wally : tradedesk: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnTradeHistory&currencyPair=BTC_ETH&start=1455350768&end=1455350778
[2016-02-13 08:25:23] BitMEX_Wally : Spot traded at 0.01412131 which was above the liquidation price
[2016-02-13 08:25:45] tradedesk : contracts liquidate on a wick up?
[2016-02-13 08:26:07] habibi : ah that was short liquidated lel
[2016-02-13 08:26:13] habibi : it wasnt a wick up actually
[2016-02-13 08:26:18] tradedesk : i tought it was calculated for settlement price?
[2016-02-13 08:28:19] habibi : settlement price moves with mark price if its not last 2 hours before settlement
[2016-02-13 08:29:07] BitMEX_Wally : ETH7D is marked to the indicative settlement price which is the last traded price on the underlying exchange
[2016-02-13 08:29:08] tradedesk : IndicativeSettlePrice it is used o prevent unneeded liquidations
[2016-02-13 08:29:37] tradedesk : the best part of getting rekt is being able to start again
[2016-02-13 08:29:57] tradedesk : but you have to agree that the liquidation was unnecessary
[2016-02-13 08:30:11] habibi : tradedesk: just chance into cross margin, and do get too big margin on overall account
[2016-02-13 08:30:40] tradedesk : took it of cross because that bot left the pair
[2016-02-13 08:30:52] habibi : tradedesk: after the fact? ofc, many liquidations are. what if that would drive up to 1500?
[2016-02-13 08:31:08] tradedesk : with no bids it would not
[2016-02-13 08:31:35] habibi : u never know
[2016-02-13 08:31:36] tradedesk : besides, that could be filled with the rest of my witheld profits
[2016-02-13 08:33:48] tradedesk : where can i find info on that IndicativeSettlePrice so it will not happen again?
[2016-02-13 08:42:13] BitMEX_Wally : The indicative settle price is published in the contract widget
[2016-02-13 08:42:28] BitMEX_Wally : It's also the `Mark Price` on the positions table
[2016-02-13 08:42:40] BitMEX_Wally : You can see a minutely history here: https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.ETHXBT
[2016-02-13 08:44:03] tradedesk : yes, but what is it? how is it calculated
[2016-02-13 08:46:25] tradedesk : BitMEX_Wally: the minutely did not cross the liquidation value, now i am realy confused
[2016-02-13 08:46:48] BitMEX_Wally : That's just a snap of the value at the end of each minute.
[2016-02-13 08:48:14] BitMEX_Wally : It traded higher intra-minute, as the raw data from Poloniex shows
[2016-02-13 08:48:50] tradedesk : so it takes the highest value of any exchange trading eth?
[2016-02-13 08:50:39] BitMEX_Wally : If the last traded value on the reference exchange is above your liquidation price then it gets liquidated
[2016-02-13 08:51:00] BitMEX_Wally : The reference exchange for ETH7D is Poloniex
[2016-02-13 08:51:52] tradedesk : ok thanks
[2016-02-13 08:51:58] tradedesk : and for btc?
[2016-02-13 08:53:07] tradedesk : or XBT i must sqy
[2016-02-13 08:55:33] BitMEX_Wally : Click on a contract
[2016-02-13 08:55:39] BitMEX_Wally : `XBT24H is a XBT/USD quanto future settling daily on the .XBT30M Index. `
[2016-02-13 08:55:53] BitMEX_Wally : You can click on the Index and it will take you to the raw data
[2016-02-13 08:56:06] BitMEX_Wally : https://www.bitmex.com/app/index/.XBT
[2016-02-13 09:01:03] tradedesk : stil ldon't get how it works, but i wil ask sam when i see him
[2016-02-13 09:05:13] BitMEX_Wally : tradedesk: Let us know if you have any questions, I'm happy to help
[2016-02-13 09:11:00] tradedesk : ok thanks! so XBT is not linked to any exchange? how do you make up the index price then?
[2016-02-13 09:11:25] tradedesk : and all trades are included in the indicative settlement price?
[2016-02-13 09:11:34] Tulip_stefan : they look at the tradeblock index, which is the average of a few exchanges.
[2016-02-13 09:12:45] Tulip_stefan : I agree it's not very clear exactly when you get margin called...
[2016-02-13 09:12:51] BitMEX_Wally : Yes, `.XBT` is just the TradeBlock XBX index
[2016-02-13 09:13:00] BitMEX_Wally : https://tradeblock.com/markets/index/
[2016-02-13 09:14:54] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: yes, if only i would have known bitmex only looks at poloniex :)
[2016-02-13 09:15:29] Tulip_stefan : that they only look at poloniex was quite clear to me.
[2016-02-13 09:16:10] tradedesk : so there is no 'calculation' for the indicative settle price, it is only based on the highest (or lowest) trade price?
[2016-02-13 09:16:33] tradedesk : not for me, i am using tradeview, and only learned about poloniex thanks to the chat there
[2016-02-13 09:16:38] Tulip_stefan : and really dangerous, but there aren't good alternatives right now, you need at least 3 exchanges to form a decent index and there are only 2 with good volume on eth/btc.
[2016-02-13 09:16:39] REKT : Liquidated long on `ETH7D`: Sell 1 @ 0.01273 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-13 09:16:39] SnackyCoins : oh snap i thought it settled to kraken
[2016-02-13 09:20:20] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: volume weighted would be a more 'fair' way to calculate indicative settlement
[2016-02-13 09:21:52] tradedesk : buy it called into your ask so i guess you will not complain ;-)
[2016-02-13 09:22:26] Tulip_stefan : i don't think volume weighted of 2 exchanges is more 'fair'. In fact i'm pretty sure that the bitstamp price is a better price indicator than the tradeblock index, which volume weights 5 exchanges. I should test that.
[2016-02-13 09:22:30] Tulip_stefan : wait, i have tested that.
[2016-02-13 09:23:23] tradedesk : hehe, for your bot?
[2016-02-13 09:24:51] Tulip_stefan : using only okcoin.cn is a better price predictor than the tradeblock index, as is btcchina.cn. The other exchanges i've tested perform worse than the tradeblock index.
[2016-02-13 09:25:50] Tulip_stefan : It would be a lot better if they ditched the volume weighted part and used fixed weights.
[2016-02-13 09:26:35] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: even better
[2016-02-13 09:26:59] tradedesk : woodchipper.cn? does not load for me
[2016-02-13 09:27:49] Tulip_stefan : the chatbox censors all mentions of Ｏｋｃｏｉｎ　to woodchipper.
[2016-02-13 09:28:12] tradedesk : never mind, neither does btcchina
[2016-02-13 09:28:21] rapidtrades : why did u tell him
[2016-02-13 09:28:39] tradedesk : think my connection to china is broken :P
[2016-02-13 09:29:00] Tulip_stefan : the firewall gods have not been kind to you.
[2016-02-13 09:30:48] rapidtrades : works for me
[2016-02-13 09:30:59] rapidtrades : it's now btcc
[2016-02-13 09:31:01] rapidtrades : rebranded
[2016-02-13 09:32:05] rapidtrades : major lag here
[2016-02-13 09:36:06] tradedesk : lets see if we have support for ETH at 1220
[2016-02-13 09:45:47] rapidtrades : tradedesk: are u back in a long
[2016-02-13 09:46:14] tradedesk : if it breaks 1300 with enough volume
[2016-02-13 09:46:31] tradedesk : got rekt to much today
[2016-02-13 09:46:38] rapidtrades : buying?
[2016-02-13 09:47:12] tradedesk : falling asleep with open position and one big spike that did it to me
[2016-02-13 09:47:33] rapidtrades : what position pleb
[2016-02-13 09:48:26] tradedesk : eth
[2016-02-13 09:48:39] rapidtrades : long or short....
[2016-02-13 09:49:09] tradedesk : short
[2016-02-13 09:49:24] rapidtrades : dam that sucks...
[2016-02-13 09:49:44] habibi : actually if he opened above 140 its pretty good
[2016-02-13 09:49:55] tradedesk : my biggest issue is overtrading
[2016-02-13 09:50:07] tradedesk : adding to my short at the most impossible times
[2016-02-13 09:51:14] rapidtrades : do u have a risk per trade limit or...how do u determine ur size
[2016-02-13 09:52:26] tradedesk : 10% max is the idea, but the orderbook was empty right after i did my order
[2016-02-13 09:53:01] billyboy402 : where do you get the index price for Ether ?
[2016-02-13 09:53:09] habibi : polo price
[2016-02-13 09:53:12] tradedesk : oh i know this one!
[2016-02-13 09:53:16] tradedesk : on poloniex
[2016-02-13 09:53:22] tradedesk : :'(
[2016-02-13 09:53:54] rapidtrades : 10% is way too high, unless ur trading with very small amount of money
[2016-02-13 09:54:11] habibi : rapidtrades: its much too high for eth
[2016-02-13 09:54:13] tradedesk : what limits do you use?
[2016-02-13 09:54:30] billyboy402 : was there any heavy margin call last week ?
[2016-02-13 09:54:38] rapidtrades : I use 2% for bitcoin max and max 1% for my forex trades
[2016-02-13 09:55:01] Tulip_stefan : I was thinking about using 10% for my bot on XBT...
[2016-02-13 09:55:27] tradedesk : oh wow. then i realy am a gambler
[2016-02-13 09:55:29] habibi : so u gonna get rek someday :D
[2016-02-13 09:55:54] rapidtrades : actually I use 2% for some of my forex traders as well....but only when fundamentals match with technicals...only take a few of these trades per year
[2016-02-13 09:55:55] tradedesk : eth holding, looking to buy the next dip
[2016-02-13 09:56:13] habibi : dip was there
[2016-02-13 09:56:16] habibi : 12280000
[2016-02-13 09:56:41] Tulip_stefan : if you want to buy the dip, wait a month.
[2016-02-13 09:56:43] tradedesk : better safe then rekt twice in a row
[2016-02-13 09:56:52] tradedesk : not buying to hold
[2016-02-13 09:57:04] Tulip_stefan : all altcoins follow the same patter. Panic!! followed by 3 months of complete silence.
[2016-02-13 09:57:31] rapidtrades : it's usally pump/dump then nothing...then dump some more to below pump
[2016-02-13 09:57:35] Tulip_stefan : it's the same with bitcoin actually, except the silence lasts significantly longer :P
[2016-02-13 10:02:01] Tulip_stefan : cool. Bitmex is the first exchange where i can trade while my bot is running, as there is a fool-proof way to find out which orders are created by the bot.
[2016-02-13 10:03:21] habibi : true :D
[2016-02-13 10:04:52] tradedesk : having a bot would be fun. you made yours yourself?
[2016-02-13 10:06:14] Tulip_stefan : together with an old classmate of mine, but i coded the majority.
[2016-02-13 10:06:22] Tulip_stefan : I use C++ with Qt libraries.
[2016-02-13 10:06:49] tradedesk : i only can do php and things that look a lot like that
[2016-02-13 10:08:35] Tulip_stefan : earlier versions where made in python but the lack of proper resource management and fixed really annoyed me for this type of application.
[2016-02-13 10:10:59] Tulip_stefan : fixed typing*
[2016-02-13 10:12:08] tradedesk : i envy you
[2016-02-13 10:12:42] Tulip_stefan : nah. Creating the actual bot is't that hard. Creating the strategy is.
[2016-02-13 10:13:20] Tulip_stefan : My very first version made 1BTC with an investment of 0.1 LTC (!) in about 2 weeks, and was written in python with no prior experience in python.
[2016-02-13 10:13:48] habibi : on spot markets?
[2016-02-13 10:13:52] tradedesk : oh nice! think i will give it a shot then :)
[2016-02-13 10:14:10] Tulip_stefan : there where futures markets in december 2013? lol?
[2016-02-13 10:14:34] habibi : yea, mtgox was kind of futures :D
[2016-02-13 10:14:49] Tulip_stefan : bitmex is actually the first non-spot market i'm trying.
[2016-02-13 10:15:09] habibi : u could make some profits there but u need to settlement till u get some money back :D
[2016-02-13 10:15:45] habibi : love the way mm on eth works :D
[2016-02-13 10:16:43] Tulip_stefan : but my point is, you can get away with very crappy code if your algorithm is decent. I even had a bot MM-ing on havelock during the neobee craze :P
[2016-02-13 10:17:07] habibi : such loose :D
[2016-02-13 10:18:07] Tulip_stefan : i actually doubled my initial investment of 1 BTC even though i had a very unfavorable position during that one drop....
[2016-02-13 10:20:14] Tulip_stefan : yes i invested 1 BTC in neobee... fail.
[2016-02-13 10:21:01] tradedesk : i am having a look at the bitmex market maker bot and that looks east enough. i'll keep you posted :P
[2016-02-13 10:39:03] tscha : "but my point is, you can get away with very crappy code if your algorithm is decent." --> haha, very true indeed
[2016-02-13 10:40:42] Tulip_stefan : that trading bot was literally a script that synchronously queried all markets op cryptsy (20 seconds or more), queried it's orders and balance, and created a few new orders, then shut down. I ran it in a loop using bash.
[2016-02-13 10:40:57] Tulip_stefan : how's on a scale from crap to extremely crap?
[2016-02-13 10:52:56] tscha : ok, even for my standards, this is crap
[2016-02-13 10:53:16] tscha : but I was referring more to coding style than to the design
[2016-02-13 11:26:16] rapidtrades : why is this place so busy
[2016-02-13 11:26:33] rapidtrades : everyone ethering?
[2016-02-13 11:28:17] Tulip_stefan : yeah i just brought some :P
[2016-02-13 11:28:26] Tulip_stefan : first manual trade in like 2 years.
[2016-02-13 11:30:46] Tulip_stefan : I saw a dumb MM so i brought 2 contracts of him to test. But now he stopped. tradedesk, is that you?
[2016-02-13 11:32:03] tscha : Tulip_stefan: the first version of my bot stored orderbooks as a `long` array. I thought I need to be super-fast and memory-efficient and stored both price and amount into one `long` with bitshifting . Just started out coding and had no clue where the real bottlenecks are :). Thinking back to that I always have to laugh so hard.
[2016-02-13 11:33:04] Tulip_stefan : the first version of my bot was lock-free with each exchange and bot running in a separate thread!
[2016-02-13 11:33:19] Tulip_stefan : first version of my C++ bot*
[2016-02-13 11:40:18] rapidtrades : ppl have gotten a lot smarter round here
[2016-02-13 11:55:39] tscha : rapidtrades: it's because you taught them so much
[2016-02-13 11:55:50] rapidtrades : good point
[2016-02-13 11:57:45] tradedesk : Tulip_stefan: no have just started doing some planning on the thing
[2016-02-13 11:58:21] rapidtrades : settlement used to be easy money
[2016-02-13 12:02:35] Tulip_stefan : is the settlement fee something that applies for both long and short contracts?
[2016-02-13 12:03:30] rapidtrades : ....yeah
[2016-02-13 12:09:13] rapidtrades : wtf is this index doing,,,lower then okc and finex
[2016-02-13 12:09:45] rapidtrades : is it following stamp now? srsly get cancer
[2016-02-13 12:10:41] Tulip_stefan : yeah :P
[2016-02-13 12:14:37] habibi : yea index is retarted, glad bitmex is changing it into their own fixed? one
[2016-02-13 12:16:03] rapidtrades : are they?
[2016-02-13 12:16:38] habibi : heard some info on that here
[2016-02-13 12:17:09] rapidtrades : anyone from support to confirm?
[2016-02-13 12:17:35] habibi : nah they are offline, probally partying in striptease club today
[2016-02-13 12:17:41] Tulip_stefan : I don't really case what index they use, my algo can handle it :P
[2016-02-13 12:17:52] rapidtrades : noone axed u
[2016-02-13 12:18:10] habibi : Tulip_stefan: as long as its not settlement time
[2016-02-13 12:19:28] rapidtrades : cmon bitcoin do smth...i have errands to do
[2016-02-13 12:21:37] Tulip_stefan : i'm really wondering, are you watching every settlement? I usually check what my bots do every 3 months or so... This really seems like a waste of time.
[2016-02-13 12:22:44] habibi : i am not as tallented as u to make that winning only algo so i am making money on scalping mostly
[2016-02-13 12:22:52] habibi : so minutes and hours are important for me
[2016-02-13 12:24:12] Tulip_stefan : I'm not that talented. It took me 3 months of research to create a decent algorithm. Then the next 5 months of research resulted in nothing.
[2016-02-13 12:24:15] rapidtrades : yeah I try to watch every settlement cos ppl used to do dumb shit
[2016-02-13 12:24:32] Tulip_stefan : and with 'months of research', i really mean a month where you're working on it like 20 hours every weekend.
[2016-02-13 12:24:55] rapidtrades : so 20 days work tops
[2016-02-13 12:25:46] Tulip_stefan : sounds about right, if you exclude the time implementing API's
[2016-02-13 12:25:52] rapidtrades : also if I have positions on the daily I need to leg in/out you have to be here for settlement
[2016-02-13 12:33:14] Tulip_stefan : why is XBT so overvalued? The index is 389.9 and the XBT24 is 392.3?
[2016-02-13 12:33:50] rapidtrades : ppl are buying
[2016-02-13 12:38:49] habibi : thats so called premium
[2016-02-13 12:45:49] jung1 : where we go with eth?
[2016-02-13 12:45:56] habibi : to 100 usd
[2016-02-13 12:45:57] habibi : :D
[2016-02-13 12:46:09] tradedesk : wishfull thinking
[2016-02-13 12:46:11] mrp1nk : 100 satoshi
[2016-02-13 12:46:31] mrp1nk : :p
[2016-02-13 12:46:47] habibi : i am joking lel. its jung1 thoughs
[2016-02-13 12:46:54] habibi : just making fun of this :)
[2016-02-13 12:47:05] jung1 : lets meet here in 2 years
[2016-02-13 12:47:13] habibi : u said 1 year last time
[2016-02-13 12:47:15] habibi : :(
[2016-02-13 12:47:25] jung1 : lets meet here in 1 year
[2016-02-13 12:47:39] habibi : ok, 100 usd on single eth by then right?
[2016-02-13 12:48:11] jung1 : could be
[2016-02-13 12:48:21] habibi : could be 1 usd as well...
[2016-02-13 12:48:25] jung1 : could be
[2016-02-13 12:48:31] habibi : lel. go away man :D
[2016-02-13 12:48:40] habibi : too much weed
[2016-02-13 12:49:05] jung1 : but during next bitcoin pump (around june/july eth could go as ltc in '13
[2016-02-13 12:49:35] jung1 : dude. this is how markets works. everyone have different opinions
[2016-02-13 12:49:44] jung1 : will see who was right
[2016-02-13 12:50:01] habibi : its not market, its just dreaming
[2016-02-13 12:50:19] jung1 : people said same about bitcoin in '12
[2016-02-13 12:50:33] habibi : and then came willy
[2016-02-13 12:50:36] habibi : :D
[2016-02-13 12:50:57] jung1 : so its not impossible
[2016-02-13 12:51:00] jung1 : as you can see
[2016-02-13 12:51:17] tradedesk : can't see chart is frozen
[2016-02-13 12:51:29] habibi : u need to remember about scale anyway. its much much easier to move market cap from 10 milions to 1 bilion then from 500 milions to i dont know 50 bilions?
[2016-02-13 12:52:10] jung1 : yes you are right
[2016-02-13 12:52:35] jung1 : but if vitalic dont screw up and eth will be used in IoT and all that microsoft stuff
[2016-02-13 12:52:41] habibi : but simple question, why would big players like banks/microsoft or any should buy eth if they just can fork it on their own terms of use?
[2016-02-13 12:52:58] habibi : for their own terms of use*