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[2016-02-05 17:46:40] elmorte : Sad bro...I love this place
[2016-02-05 17:46:54] arbitrage001 : millionaire here live like lower class
[2016-02-05 17:47:05] laisee : malaysia has nice people and great food, govt not so great.
[2016-02-05 17:47:31] elmorte : laisee: You a M'sian as well
[2016-02-05 17:47:33] elmorte : ?
[2016-02-05 17:47:45] arbitrage001 : probably watch the news
[2016-02-05 17:47:48] laisee : elmorte: nah, just worked there at one time.
[2016-02-05 17:48:02] arbitrage001 : as we are the laughing stock of the world
[2016-02-05 17:48:06] laisee : living in Singapore mostly now.
[2016-02-05 17:48:08] elmorte : It was different...17 years ago...
[2016-02-05 17:48:24] elmorte : Before the petrodollars started coming in...
[2016-02-05 17:48:43] elmorte : And the govt decided divide and rule is the best tactic
[2016-02-05 17:48:46] elmorte : Fuckers.
[2016-02-05 17:48:53] elmorte : F uckers
[2016-02-05 17:49:10] arbitrage001 : how is singapore? laisee
[2016-02-05 17:49:27] laisee : expensive.
[2016-02-05 17:49:37] elmorte : rat race?
[2016-02-05 17:49:41] arbitrage001 : look like asia will be the center of the next financial storm
[2016-02-05 17:49:43] laisee : oh, yes
[2016-02-05 17:50:43] elmorte : arbitrage001: Nowhere left to go...I think they drained us slowly and professionaly
[2016-02-05 17:50:51] laisee : singapore was nicer place when it was smaller. become quite money money money now.
[2016-02-05 17:51:07] elmorte : Yeah, that's a common feedback I get
[2016-02-05 17:51:40] laisee : lot of people seem quite stressed even when they have nice stuff and job etc.
[2016-02-05 17:52:00] elmorte : Trying to keep up with the Joneses
[2016-02-05 17:54:29] laisee : ideal situation would be malysia teach some folks in Sg how to relax and Sg show how to administer economy better.
[2016-02-05 17:54:44] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-02-05 17:54:44] elmorte : F'n oath
[2016-02-05 17:55:09] arbitrage001 : my daily task is to drink tea with friends
[2016-02-05 17:55:24] elmorte : At least you dn't have to fear racial riots overthere
[2016-02-05 17:55:24] arbitrage001 : that is about the only reason to go out
[2016-02-05 17:55:45] elmorte : You celebrate CNY @arbitrage001 ?
[2016-02-05 17:55:51] arbitrage001 : yes
[2016-02-05 17:56:08] laisee : elmorte: some politicians like to make noise to get support, threaten stuff like Trump ... not good.
[2016-02-05 17:56:37] elmorte : laisee: you mean Msia?
[2016-02-05 17:56:43] laisee : yeah.
[2016-02-05 17:56:59] elmorte : arbitrage001: when's your open house? :)
[2016-02-05 17:57:10] arbitrage001 : no open house lol
[2016-02-05 17:57:19] elmorte : @laisee Yup. It's all they got left....
[2016-02-05 17:57:31] elmorte : arbitrage001: How like that one?
[2016-02-05 17:59:24] elmorte : laisee: Problem is they've manufactured this siege mentality amongst the Malays...either youre' us or against us..\
[2016-02-05 17:59:34] elmorte : And it's working unfortunately
[2016-02-05 18:00:57] elmorte : Especially in economic slowdown...who are the easiest ppl to blame? The other ones of course
[2016-02-05 18:01:55] laisee : elmorte: shame the politicians can still score poll points by negative stuff. But hey, also in USA with Trump.
[2016-02-05 18:02:47] elmorte : Oh, I lived in a few countries, and they're all the same
[2016-02-05 18:03:02] laisee : heh, mostly true.
[2016-02-05 18:03:07] elmorte : They tore my country up like that in the early 90s
[2016-02-05 18:04:12] elmorte : Fact is, they're all crooks and will do whatever's necessarry to hang on to power
[2016-02-05 18:04:33] elmorte : The difference is how much they give back to the people
[2016-02-05 18:06:38] tscha : [markdown link test to google](http://www.google.com)
[2016-02-05 18:06:51] tscha : ok, doesn't work
[2016-02-05 18:08:13] elmorte : Mahatir, for all his faults, put Malaysia on the map! Twin towers, F1, middle finger to IMF...
[2016-02-05 18:10:19] laisee : yeah, he did push malaysia fwd.
[2016-02-05 18:11:28] elmorte : I think he put Malaysia first
[2016-02-05 18:12:17] elmorte : The current joker doesn't even pretend he puts Malaysia first
[2016-02-05 18:12:57] laisee : and Mahatir worked for less ... than US$650M.
[2016-02-05 18:13:09] elmorte : laisee: Is there a lot of coverage down south?
[2016-02-05 18:13:44] elmorte : We don't know that :) He was in power for 2 decades...cumulative interest n all
[2016-02-05 18:13:46] laisee : not so much. malaysia doesn't get news like it used to.
[2016-02-05 18:14:25] elmorte : But he certainly wasn't blatant about it
[2016-02-05 18:14:38] laisee : and since plenty of money was passed via Sg there's a little embarrassment for govt.
[2016-02-05 18:15:40] elmorte : They're only embarrassed they got caught :) All laundered Indonesian money passes thru SG
[2016-02-05 18:17:08] elmorte : Obv this is very high profile
[2016-02-05 18:18:13] elmorte : laisee: What industry are you in?
[2016-02-05 18:26:25] laisee : finanace & tech
[2016-02-05 18:27:16] laisee : elmorte: shhhh. no such thing as laundering $$$ in Sg.
[2016-02-05 18:27:51] elmorte : Sorry sorry, I forget you're that side of the border
[2016-02-05 18:28:12] laisee : actually, not right now.
[2016-02-05 18:28:41] elmorte : Home for the holidays?
[2016-02-05 18:31:51] laisee : nah, working a bit in Iran
[2016-02-05 18:32:55] elmorte : I heard the expat lifestyle is not too bad there?
[2016-02-05 18:33:47] laisee : hmmm. Its not like the other expat places.
[2016-02-05 18:33:59] laisee : 10 yrs jail if found drinking alcohol.
[2016-02-05 18:34:23] laisee : up to 10 yrs in jail for shaking hands with female.
[2016-02-05 18:34:30] elmorte : No private compounds?
[2016-02-05 18:34:50] laisee : nope. it's pre-expat you might say
[2016-02-05 18:35:02] elmorte : Damn son..they better pay good
[2016-02-05 18:36:08] laisee : yeah, it's ok. people are happy to see foreigners and things are changing fast.
[2016-02-05 18:37:53] elmorte : And the ladies? Huh? Huh?
[2016-02-05 18:38:35] laisee : ah, no. too much trouble and its all illegal anyway.
[2016-02-05 18:38:43] laisee : big tech scene, lots of e-commerce and bitcoin is taking hold.
[2016-02-05 18:41:07] elmorte : Awesome. Must be great to travel all these places
[2016-02-05 18:43:32] laisee : have keyboard, can travel ... ;-)
[2016-02-05 18:44:35] laisee : gtg. cheers, later.
[2016-02-05 18:45:59] elmorte : peace
[2016-02-05 18:59:08] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 162 @ 389.22
[2016-02-05 21:25:52] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2188 @ 387.09
[2016-02-05 22:11:37] donchard : helo any support here
[2016-02-05 22:11:55] BitMEX_Wally : donchard: Hello
[2016-02-05 22:12:32] donchard : pls how do i know am on profit
[2016-02-05 22:12:47] BitMEX_Wally : You asked this yesterday
[2016-02-05 22:13:28] donchard : yes sir i want to be clear sorry for that sir
[2016-02-05 22:14:40] donchard : m16 i entered at 476 and the price is at 506 and am seeing green
[2016-02-05 22:16:05] BitMEX_Wally : Every Friday the contracts are rebalanced. This means that any unrealisedPnl is moved to realisedPnl
[2016-02-05 22:16:09] donchard : BitMEX_Wally: helo sir
[2016-02-05 22:17:05] BitMEX_Wally : You entered the M16 position at 476.70 and it was rebalanced at 513.82.
[2016-02-05 22:17:14] BitMEX_Wally : This PNL is under `realisedPnl`
[2016-02-05 22:17:42] BitMEX_Wally : The profit from 513.82 to the current mark price of 506.31 is under `unrealisedPnl`
[2016-02-05 22:18:19] donchard : but h16 should be on profit
[2016-02-05 22:20:40] BitMEX_Wally : You entered H16 at 394.76 and it was rebalanced at 416.42 and now it is marked at 410.41
[2016-02-05 22:20:42] micmix : donchard: there are 2 columns, unrealised PNL and realised PNL. in your case M16 realised PNL will be positive and unrealised will be negative
[2016-02-05 22:21:34] donchard : so am on loss rite
[2016-02-05 22:21:40] BitMEX_Wally : At the moment
[2016-02-05 22:21:48] micmix : donchard: every Friday unrealised PNL is added to realised PNL and unrealised is reset to 0
[2016-02-05 22:22:00] BitMEX_Wally : You shorted M16 at 81.94 dollars above H16
[2016-02-05 22:22:21] BitMEX_Wally : But M16 is currently 96.24 dollars above Hq6
[2016-02-05 22:22:43] BitMEX_Wally : So that is a move of -14.30 against you
[2016-02-05 22:22:52] donchard : ok i wil be on profit when realised is postive
[2016-02-05 22:23:48] BitMEX_Wally : You have 4 numbers. Unrealised H16, realised H16, unrealised M16, realised M16. Add them all up and you will know if you are in profit
[2016-02-05 22:24:01] micmix : donchard: to estimate your profit or loss you have to add realised to unrealised
[2016-02-05 22:24:35] donchard : okay thanks i understand
[2016-02-05 22:25:00] BitMEX_Wally : Glad to help :)
[2016-02-05 22:25:01] donchard : micmix: pls can you help me improve on my trading
[2016-02-05 22:25:05] sleger : micmix: hey I wanted to ask you something, what hosting service would you recommend for 0kcoin WS
[2016-02-05 22:26:06] micmix : sleger: for .com we are using Azure in Hong Kong, very good connection
[2016-02-05 22:26:27] sleger : I was talking about fut, so yes HK. Thank you, I am having too many disconnects right now
[2016-02-05 22:26:41] micmix : where are you hosted now?
[2016-02-05 22:27:14] sleger : outside of china :)
[2016-02-05 22:29:02] micmix : yeah, you will get much better connection if you move the server to HK. but ws is still going to be overloaded from time to time and drop connection. FIX works much better, they have just a handful ppl using FIX
[2016-02-05 22:29:43] sleger : yes when market moves WS is worse than REST
[2016-02-05 22:30:07] sleger : problem is ... I have everything in python, and not many fix libraries yet
[2016-02-05 22:30:25] micmix : yeah, I remember I was getting trades from REST before I was getting them through WS
[2016-02-05 22:31:16] micmix : I'm not really familiar with python, is there any way to call Java lib?
[2016-02-05 22:32:24] sleger : im looking into that, or Im thinking about running a separate java program and communicate via tcp from python, but i dont like that
[2016-02-05 22:33:25] micmix : yeah, adds a lot of complexity. and re-writing algos in java is a pain, especially if you are using something like numpy or scipy
[2016-02-05 22:34:28] sleger : azure has only virtual servers it seems ?
[2016-02-05 22:34:59] micmix : yes, virtual only but they have some very fast ones with SSD if you need it
[2016-02-05 22:35:24] BitMEX_Sam : I've never seen significant cpu steal on them... this is Bitcoin anyway, a VPS itself won't introduce significant latency :)
[2016-02-05 22:35:26] micmix : don't know if you are disk-intensive or not
[2016-02-05 22:36:03] micmix : yes, very stable CPU-wise, they don't oversell
[2016-02-05 22:36:12] BitMEX_Sam : micmix: I forget if we talked about this, have you tried DO or AWS Singapore?
[2016-02-05 22:36:29] BitMEX_Sam : Seoul just opened up in AWS as well, not sure what to expect
[2016-02-05 22:36:54] micmix : no, we are using Azure in China
[2016-02-05 22:37:18] BitMEX_Sam : I see
[2016-02-05 22:37:19] micmix : nothing in Singapore
[2016-02-05 22:37:24] sleger : true that virtual will only eat ~2% and noisy neighbors effect are pretty rare
[2016-02-05 22:37:42] BitMEX_Sam : We got a very clear win for BitMEX for mainland users by proxying out through Singapore
[2016-02-05 22:38:02] BitMEX_Sam : Just a TCP proxy (haproxy). Dropped latency by over 80%
[2016-02-05 22:40:56] micmix : I'm going to try Seoul, we could use something in Korea
[2016-02-05 22:41:29] rapidtrades : bot latency talk....nice
[2016-02-05 22:43:07] BitMEX_Sam : By the way, if any of you have the time, we'd really appreciate feedback on the UI changes that are live in Testnet right now
[2016-02-05 22:43:13] BitMEX_Sam : https://testnet.bitmex.com/app
[2016-02-05 22:44:03] BitMEX_Sam : I've added Market & Stop Market orders, Take Profit & OCO will come soon
[2016-02-05 22:44:19] BitMEX_Sam : We'll also be modifying Stop Orders to reduce position only
[2016-02-05 22:44:45] BitMEX_Sam : Selectable leverage via a slider is the next thing going into Testnet
[2016-02-06 00:10:00] rapidtrades : You can take that 50 cent premium and shove it up ur ass Mr. Market!
[2016-02-06 00:25:14] tscha : dump?
[2016-02-06 00:25:56] tscha : emphasis on the question mark :)
[2016-02-06 00:26:46] rapidtrades : hope so :)
[2016-02-06 00:44:44] tscha : yepp
[2016-02-06 00:45:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 36 @ 382.52
[2016-02-06 00:55:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 38 @ 379.59
[2016-02-06 00:56:45] habibi : rapidtrades: here u have ur premium
[2016-02-06 01:00:36] rapidtrades : habibi: tnx
[2016-02-06 01:02:45] tscha : $3 premium, not bad
[2016-02-06 01:03:04] rapidtrades : it's partly due to index following finex
[2016-02-06 01:03:10] rapidtrades : okc is at 382 right now
[2016-02-06 01:03:20] sleger : its mostly for another reason though, not this one at all
[2016-02-06 01:03:27] habibi : rapidtrades: u mean 392
[2016-02-06 01:03:31] habibi : or okc usd
[2016-02-06 01:03:32] rapidtrades : with index being so flaky it could shift by the morning
[2016-02-06 01:03:36] rapidtrades : okc usd
[2016-02-06 01:03:41] habibi : k
[2016-02-06 01:08:28] tscha : wonder who is buying so hard, prolly the new guy
[2016-02-06 01:08:39] habibi : good guy
[2016-02-06 01:08:39] habibi : <3
[2016-02-06 01:10:48] tscha : maybe there is no new guy and it's just sleger trying to disctract from his manipulations
[2016-02-06 01:10:49] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 12001 @ 381.62
[2016-02-06 01:13:33] sleger : the reason for the premium is quite obvious
[2016-02-06 01:13:43] habibi : yep. someone is buying :)
[2016-02-06 01:17:43] rapidtrades : ok i shorted some of that
[2016-02-06 01:17:54] rapidtrades : seems like okc is the one out of line
[2016-02-06 01:21:40] rapidtrades : tscha: that seems plausible to me
[2016-02-06 01:25:18] sleger : still missing the reason
[2016-02-06 01:29:57] rapidtrades : I love how noone wants to hear his stupid reason
[2016-02-06 01:33:32] sleger : wait you think people still reply to you here ?
[2016-02-06 01:33:36] sleger : besides me of course
[2016-02-06 01:34:02] sleger : and "stupid", seriously, coming from you ??
[2016-02-06 01:38:58] rapidtrades : noone like a self-important know it all
[2016-02-06 01:39:16] rapidtrades : if you have a theory just say it...don't preface it with this bs
[2016-02-06 01:39:37] rapidtrades : like ur the only one who knows why the market moves
[2016-02-06 01:41:03] sleger : i may not know why it moved, but I know why the premium was so positive, but well done, I will keep it for myself now.
[2016-02-06 01:41:11] rapidtrades : woah what;s this china on testnet
[2016-02-06 01:41:27] rapidtrades : china a50?
[2016-02-06 01:42:02] rapidtrades : also bitcoin/yen :)
[2016-02-06 01:50:38] habibi : sleger: cool down man
[2016-02-06 01:51:10] habibi : BitMEX_Sam: shangai composite index maybe as well?
[2016-02-06 02:03:00] lockhedge : XBE24H nice
[2016-02-06 02:03:36] lockhedge : would this be the first XBT/Euro futures contract?
[2016-02-06 02:04:04] rapidtrades : quanto too?
[2016-02-06 02:04:26] rapidtrades : xbt so i guess quanto
[2016-02-06 02:08:48] sleger : the more products the merrier, well good luck with that
[2016-02-06 03:13:29] rapidtrades : smth is rotten in china....premiumss exploding again
[2016-02-06 03:20:31] habibi : rapidtrades: which premium? on futures okc?
[2016-02-06 03:23:40] rapidtrades : yeah also china spot
[2016-02-06 03:40:26] habibi : pretty funny, china wants to hold or even push while finex is dumping
[2016-02-06 03:41:27] rapidtrades : I think China's on holiday
[2016-02-06 03:41:50] rapidtrades : prolly jerking off their small penises right now
[2016-02-06 03:41:52] zanza : weekend crash ?
[2016-02-06 03:42:41] rapidtrades : picture a circle of asian men jerking each other off...that's what's going on in China right now...
[2016-02-06 03:42:48] rapidtrades : noone is watching bitcoin
[2016-02-06 03:42:50] zanza : wut
[2016-02-06 03:43:05] sleger : rapid is definition of classy
[2016-02-06 03:43:11] rapidtrades : true story...that's what they do on new year
[2016-02-06 03:43:18] rapidtrades : it's a tradition
[2016-02-06 03:45:58] zanza : https://np.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/44d58p/highest_payout_ive_ever_seen_261400/
[2016-02-06 03:47:50] sleger : people win the lottery every week, what else is new ?
[2016-02-06 03:48:04] zanza : :)
[2016-02-06 03:49:21] habibi : finex <3
[2016-02-06 03:49:45] rapidtrades : what happened to linkedin
[2016-02-06 03:50:02] zanza : linkedin got massacred
[2016-02-06 03:50:12] rapidtrades : how much :)
[2016-02-06 03:50:39] rapidtrades : 43% down lol
[2016-02-06 03:50:52] rapidtrades : rip options sellers
[2016-02-06 03:51:24] zanza : http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleenchaykowski/2016/02/05/five-reasons-linkedin-had-its-worst-day-ever/#234954d17c41
[2016-02-06 03:52:25] rapidtrades : guess bots hedge on china?
[2016-02-06 03:52:43] rapidtrades : why else would we be $3 higher still
[2016-02-06 03:52:48] sleger : call sellers are ok
[2016-02-06 03:53:25] rapidtrades : idk....ppl that sell options usually do it both ways
[2016-02-06 03:53:57] sleger : professional who sell options delta hedge
[2016-02-06 03:54:11] rapidtrades : fair point
[2016-02-06 03:54:19] sleger : i'm mostly gamma short i dont lose money
[2016-02-06 03:54:26] sleger : even a day like today
[2016-02-06 03:54:38] rapidtrades : were u in LNKD
[2016-02-06 03:55:23] sleger : no, i wouldnt keep a big position around earnings on single name though
[2016-02-06 03:56:14] rapidtrades : yeah seems very risky...I've been demoing options but mostly fx
[2016-02-06 03:56:37] zanza : i found out today, 1broker liquidation policy is when your position loses like 80% value, I was surprised
[2016-02-06 03:56:51] sleger : you thought it was 50%?
[2016-02-06 03:56:54] sleger : or 100%?
[2016-02-06 03:57:07] rapidtrades : zanza: why? that's the usual for forex brokers with high lev
[2016-02-06 03:57:09] zanza : I thought i was close to 100% yeah
[2016-02-06 03:57:24] sleger : what do you think it is on bitmex ?
[2016-02-06 03:57:39] rapidtrades : 30?
[2016-02-06 03:57:52] zanza : when mark price = liq price
[2016-02-06 03:57:56] sleger : wait so you guys trade here but have no idea how the system works ?
[2016-02-06 03:58:08] sleger : zanza: yes but that corresponds to loss=what % of balance ?
[2016-02-06 03:58:19] rapidtrades : I will prolly never get liquidated so who cares
[2016-02-06 03:58:24] zanza : 100% ?
[2016-02-06 03:58:38] rapidtrades : never push my risk, even on ''safe'' arbs
[2016-02-06 03:59:04] sleger : wow
[2016-02-06 03:59:15] sleger : zanza: seriously, you dont know, well you should
[2016-02-06 03:59:28] zanza : whats the answe?
[2016-02-06 03:59:34] sleger : in the FAQ maybe
[2016-02-06 03:59:34] rapidtrades : is it 30/33%?
[2016-02-06 03:59:42] habibi : lel. 50%
[2016-02-06 03:59:43] sleger : 50
[2016-02-06 03:59:50] sleger : even habibi knows...
[2016-02-06 04:00:01] rapidtrades : 50% of balance?
[2016-02-06 04:00:08] j8 : maintenance margin - 0.5% of notional. it's only 50% if you're 100x levered
[2016-02-06 04:00:11] habibi : rapidtrades: of ur cold wallet
[2016-02-06 04:00:20] rapidtrades : Maintenance Equity Required 15%
[2016-02-06 04:00:31] zanza : j8: yes, the questions wasn't direct really
[2016-02-06 04:00:36] sleger : rapidtrades: bitmex != bitfinex
[2016-02-06 04:01:25] zanza : I prefer the system here, but 1broker has contracts I want to trade like oil/Y
[2016-02-06 04:01:29] rapidtrades : is it 50% here?
[2016-02-06 04:01:35] zanza : USD/CNH
[2016-02-06 04:01:44] rapidtrades : zanza: how's the carry on that
[2016-02-06 04:01:57] zanza : .07% a night i think
[2016-02-06 04:02:24] rapidtrades : fixed or fluctuates based on chinese libor or whatever that was called
[2016-02-06 04:02:34] zanza : fixed
[2016-02-06 04:02:47] zanza : its almost the same for all their products
[2016-02-06 04:02:51] sleger : that's fair carry
[2016-02-06 04:03:05] zanza : its not bad, however their spreads are a little big :)
[2016-02-06 04:03:10] rapidtrades : on some forex brokers cost went up to $500 for a 10k position
[2016-02-06 04:03:25] rapidtrades : when PBOC when nuts last month, spked rates
[2016-02-06 04:03:50] zanza : 500 for 10k, so 5% ?
[2016-02-06 04:04:03] rapidtrades : hmm that sounds wrong lemme check
[2016-02-06 04:04:05] sleger : rapidtrades: oh right, because when you invited me at the big table of forex traders, you meant on retail brokers right ?
[2016-02-06 04:06:10] rapidtrades : zanza: it was around 100 pips per day
[2016-02-06 04:06:21] rapidtrades : so 1% at the height of the intervention
[2016-02-06 04:06:57] rapidtrades : I'm demoing that pair as well....carry is the most important variable there
[2016-02-06 04:07:03] rapidtrades : plan to long it at some point
[2016-02-06 04:08:16] rapidtrades : bucketshop brokers may be better cos they pool their orders and won't be affected by higher rates as much?
[2016-02-06 04:08:30] zanza : mayb
[2016-02-06 04:08:42] rapidtrades : ECN/interbank usually pass on those costs
[2016-02-06 04:16:01] zanza : can anyone suggest a good linux? I tried ubuntu but it kind of buggy
[2016-02-06 04:17:26] zanza : http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/05/free-windows-10-true-cost/#5289f3cb593f
[2016-02-06 04:29:36] rapidtrades : QUOTES FROZE
[2016-02-06 04:29:51] rapidtrades : time for a nap maybe
[2016-02-06 04:44:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3030 @ 377.38
[2016-02-06 04:45:25] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 303 @ 401.01
[2016-02-06 04:56:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3523 @ 375.85
[2016-02-06 05:03:15] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 501 @ 375.85
[2016-02-06 05:37:06] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1439 @ 372.63
[2016-02-06 06:58:09] rapidtrades : keep buying b1tch...only 5 hrs to go
[2016-02-06 10:09:47] tscha : people who actually bought the $6 premium some hours ago start to regret
[2016-02-06 11:02:31] rapidtrades : not rly...index is some f bullshit man
[2016-02-06 11:03:38] rapidtrades : last night it was following finex down but its closed to okc....good luck hedging/arbing
[2016-02-06 11:05:45] tscha : people bought at $382 when finex was $375.60 and index <$376.. why you say "not rly"?
[2016-02-06 11:35:43] rapidtrades : tscha: I was saying last night index followed finex lower now it's closer to okc....this squeezed most of the arb
[2016-02-06 11:36:02] rapidtrades : index is bullshit
[2016-02-06 11:36:22] rapidtrades : keep it 50/50 finex/okc...so we can arb/hedge properly
[2016-02-06 12:00:37] rapidtrades : 213k at settlement...u don't see that often
[2016-02-06 12:09:31] rapidtrades : micmix: did u stop quoting on 3m/6m? orderbooks are shot
[2016-02-06 14:13:31] rapidtrades : smone is now spamming the orderbook with 5s
[2016-02-06 14:13:42] rapidtrades : seriously ppl, have some f manners
[2016-02-06 14:58:12] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT7D`: Sell 2 @ 374.64 :punch: :whale:
[2016-02-06 16:52:05] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 8996 @ 373.29
[2016-02-06 17:03:10] elmorte : Had trouble logging in, stuck on the bouncing logo as someone reported earlier
[2016-02-06 17:03:24] elmorte : On Chrome, Win 10
[2016-02-06 17:13:24] BitMEX_Sam : elmorte: Thanks for letting me know,
[2016-02-06 17:13:37] BitMEX_Sam : I'm going to take a look at it.
[2016-02-06 17:13:48] elmorte : BitMEX_Sam: Thanks for taking notice :)
[2016-02-06 17:14:18] elmorte : Let me know if you need more data
[2016-02-06 17:20:15] BitMEX_Sam : No worries. I've found the issue and I'm fixing it now
[2016-02-06 17:22:14] BitMEX_Sam : It's taken care of. Thanks.
[2016-02-06 17:22:26] elmorte : Mate, you da real MVP
[2016-02-06 17:23:43] elmorte : Logged out, logged in - no issue
[2016-02-06 17:24:57] BitMEX_Sam : Great. :)
[2016-02-06 20:04:14] tscha : yeah happened to me too yesterday.. thanks for fixing @BitMEX_Sam :)
[2016-02-06 20:07:43] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry for the disruption in the first place.
[2016-02-06 20:54:12] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 63 @ 0.00678
[2016-02-06 21:17:23] donchard : REKT: r u giving signals
[2016-02-07 00:04:01] sleger : you know what is the symbol name for 0kcoin fut this week for instance in the FIX api @micmix ?
[2016-02-07 01:43:03] rapidtrades : time to dump in china's cereal again
[2016-02-07 01:43:33] rapidtrades : happy New Year f*ckers
[2016-02-07 01:43:52] habibi : its not china, finex today/yesterday
[2016-02-07 01:44:21] rapidtrades : duh
[2016-02-07 01:44:33] rapidtrades : rapidtrades: time to dump IN china's cereal again
[2016-02-07 02:18:18] rapidtrades : wasting my time in this shit illiquid markets...what a joke
[2016-02-07 02:48:53] rapidtrades : wasted a f hour and got a fill $1 worse...thanks...im out
[2016-02-07 03:21:31] WarrenBuffet_ : .
[2016-02-07 11:21:20] chromaticcr : so quiet.....
[2016-02-07 11:38:00] laisee : calm b4 the storm.
[2016-02-07 11:41:14] rapidtrades : f weekends, weekends are shit
[2016-02-07 11:41:34] rapidtrades : 24/7 trading my arse
[2016-02-07 11:41:49] rapidtrades : I WANT MY MONIES BACK
[2016-02-07 12:00:11] laisee : ask sledger nicely
[2016-02-07 12:35:09] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT7D`: Buy 400 @ 381.20
[2016-02-07 14:49:33] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 1567 @ 378.27
[2016-02-07 14:52:23] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 700 @ 0.00695
[2016-02-07 15:00:53] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 194 @ 0.00716
[2016-02-07 15:02:41] Juba : any admins here?
[2016-02-07 15:03:34] BitMEX_Sam : Hi Juba
[2016-02-07 15:04:02] Juba : I opened a long on ETH and I just got liquidated?
[2016-02-07 15:04:21] Juba : could you see my history
[2016-02-07 15:04:34] BitMEX_Sam : You can see your trade history at https://www.bitmex.com/app/tradeHistory
[2016-02-07 15:05:05] BitMEX_Sam : Is there a question about why you were liquidated?
[2016-02-07 15:06:12] Juba : yes, I open long and get liquidated when price moves up?
[2016-02-07 15:07:44] BitMEX_Sam : Juba: I am seeing that you had a net short, not a long
[2016-02-07 15:09:04] Juba : BitMEX_Sam: net short? I got short when I click the buy button?
[2016-02-07 15:09:30] BitMEX_Sam : No, you got short when you sold a large quantity of contracts, then remained short when you bought a smaller quantity of contracts
[2016-02-07 15:09:53] sleger : Juba: don't drink and trade
[2016-02-07 15:10:11] Juba : could we talk private
[2016-02-07 15:10:30] BitMEX_Sam : Juba: Yes, please email support@bitmex.com
[2016-02-07 15:12:33] Juba : so no live chat.. ill do it here then, First I canceled my shorts and went long. but my shorts did not get canceled ?
[2016-02-07 15:12:53] BitMEX_Sam : You didn't cancel them, they executed
[2016-02-07 15:13:18] BitMEX_Sam : Rather, it appears they were canceled before they executed fully, but there were some partial executions
[2016-02-07 15:13:50] Juba : hard lesson learned
[2016-02-07 15:14:19] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry to hear that - you have to watch leveraged positions like a hawk
[2016-02-07 15:14:21] Juba : had a great entry on that breakout
[2016-02-07 15:15:43] Juba : should not be able to do what I just did.. anyways thx for responding
[2016-02-07 15:16:08] BitMEX_Sam : I disagree, this is exactly how the system should work - if your orders execute, you need to work up an offsetting position to get out
[2016-02-07 15:16:32] BitMEX_Sam : Canceling partially executed orders does not remove you from the position.
[2016-02-07 15:17:03] BitMEX_Sam : Sorry you had to learn it the hard way here but this is simply how markets work.
[2016-02-07 15:18:25] Juba : or simply how your platform works :)
[2016-02-07 15:19:25] BitMEX_Sam : Hah, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you expect
[2016-02-07 15:19:35] BitMEX_Sam : If you are short, and want to go long, you must close the short before going long.
[2016-02-07 15:20:26] Juba : I tough I did :P to me it looked like it. anyways, hard lesson learned haha
[2016-02-07 15:20:50] Juba : salty lesson to learn right at the break out
[2016-02-07 15:21:11] BitMEX_Sam : Understood - thing to watch is the chart (which shows your current position), or, of course, the Positions pane or the "Your Position" readout on the order controls
[2016-02-07 15:21:20] BitMEX_Sam : Best of luck in the future
[2016-02-07 15:22:20] Juba : hehe thx Sam.
[2016-02-07 15:30:30] sleger : BitMEX_Sam: maybe remove the "Long" and "Short" text from the buttons and leave just Buy / Sell
[2016-02-07 15:31:01] BitMEX_Sam : Have thought about that - we originally added "Short" to the sell button to make it clear that you can sell even when you don't own anything to sell
[2016-02-07 15:31:38] BitMEX_Sam : I think a better solution will be to prioritize the display of your current position
[2016-02-07 15:32:08] BitMEX_Sam : I have a design in our books of a simplified position widget that really makes it obvious where you stand, and we mean to expand it out visually to help you see where you are at a simple glance
[2016-02-07 15:32:18] Juba : BitMEX_Sam: " I think a better solution will be to prioritize the display of your current position" I agree with that :)
[2016-02-07 15:32:43] sleger : but its right under the buy sell buttons already
[2016-02-07 15:34:04] rapidtrades : it says it right there tho
[2016-02-07 15:34:09] rapidtrades : your position
[2016-02-07 15:34:13] rapidtrades : X contract
[2016-02-07 15:34:27] rapidtrades : like wtf plev
[2016-02-07 15:34:48] rapidtrades : *b
[2016-02-07 15:40:11] Tulip_stefan : is there any way to get the charts to show without depositing bitcoins first?
[2016-02-07 15:40:53] rapidtrades : charts show even if ur not logged in
[2016-02-07 15:41:18] rapidtrades : if u need the order controls, try testnet
[2016-02-07 15:41:29] Tulip_stefan : There is a deposit panel in place of where the charts normally are :P
[2016-02-07 15:43:21] BitMEX_Wally : Switch to advanced view
[2016-02-07 15:43:38] BitMEX_Wally : Click on your username in the top right
[2016-02-07 15:44:19] Tulip_stefan : ahh that's be
[2016-02-07 15:44:39] Tulip_stefan : better
[2016-02-07 15:50:20] aethlios : BitMEX_Wally: Hello! Are you planning a 48H contract? When this will happen? any estimate?
[2016-02-07 15:50:58] BitMEX_Wally : Hopefully this quarter
[2016-02-07 16:00:38] Tulip_stefan : Is there anywhere i can get high-res tradeblock index data?
[2016-02-07 16:01:32] Tulip_stefan : i feel their index has a few flaws compared to my own solution, but i can't quantify that without an history of their index.
[2016-02-07 16:02:59] BitMEX_Wally : Tulip_stefan: Send an email to support@bitmex.com and I'll see if we have the data you need
[2016-02-07 16:04:01] Tulip_stefan : I'll do that right away. Tha
[2016-02-07 16:08:53] Tulip_stefan : sent.
[2016-02-07 16:33:49] BitMEX_Wally : Replied :)
[2016-02-07 17:04:39] Tulip_stefan : It's funny how people still use dropbox public folder to share files. I do it all the time, too. Makes me wonder why they ditched that feature for new registers..
[2016-02-07 17:05:08] BitMEX_Sam : Looking forward to the new Keybase FS when it hits public availability
[2016-02-07 17:05:44] Tulip_stefan : yeah i have been a member since a few months. My business partner was in early.
[2016-02-07 17:05:54] Tulip_stefan : it's pretty clumsy to use on windows though...
[2016-02-07 17:06:35] BitMEX_Sam : I have been for a while as well but it appears I wasn't lucky enough to have the feature enabled
[2016-02-07 17:06:55] Tulip_stefan : i haven't looked yer
[2016-02-07 17:07:00] Tulip_stefan : yet*
[2016-02-07 17:08:11] BitMEX_Sam : It's a nice idea. Even if there is, potentially, some vulnerability if someone is able to gain access to user's twitter account or some other social share, in which case they'd be able to intercept a message if you sent it to that account,
[2016-02-07 17:08:16] BitMEX_Sam : It is still far better than the usual practice
[2016-02-07 17:08:28] BitMEX_Sam : I built https://securesha.re/ about three years ago as a half measure for that sort of thing
[2016-02-07 17:08:36] BitMEX_Sam : I still use it now and then to send files to accountants et al
[2016-02-07 17:10:43] Tulip_stefan : that's pretty neat
[2016-02-07 17:43:30] zanza : http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-crosses-144-million-with-20-06-rise/
[2016-02-07 17:55:08] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBT24H`: Sell 3001 @ 377.26
[2016-02-07 19:06:30] REKT : Liquidated short on `ETH7D`: Buy 307 @ 0.00795
[2016-02-07 19:27:10] REKT : Liquidated long on `XBTH16`: Sell 1333 @ 396.04
[2016-02-07 20:09:00] Tulip_stefan : I'm not sure if i understand XBT correctly. If i buy a single contract, i'll receive whatever the tradeblock 30m-index is on the settlement date, minus the settlement fee (0.05%) on the settlement date? And the mark price and fair value are only used to calculate margin calls? If so, is there any other reason than trade fees that the XBT24H price is higher than the tradeblock index plus the settlement fee?
[2016-02-07 20:09:54] Tulip_stefan : I'm a computer scientist, not a trader :P
[2016-02-07 20:12:34] habibi : lets ask our expert, the sleger
[2016-02-07 20:21:38] BitMEX_Wally : Tulip_stefan: https://blog.bitmex.com/bitcoin-futures-basis-trading-lesson-1/
[2016-02-07 20:21:54] BitMEX_Wally : Basically currency futures trade at a premium due to the time value of money
[2016-02-07 20:23:32] Tulip_stefan : I was under the impression that XBT24h contracts had no interest?
[2016-02-07 20:24:20] BitMEX_Wally : Why?
[2016-02-07 20:25:10] Tulip_stefan : I don't see it mentioned on the fees page.
[2016-02-07 20:25:39] BitMEX_Wally : We don't charge interest. But if the future is trading at a premium to spot, this is effectively interest
[2016-02-07 20:26:09] lockhedge : there are other factors that are more important for a premium/discount: inventory/risk management (market maker will quote higher bids if they are short) and XBX as a bad reference price
[2016-02-07 20:26:31] BitMEX_Wally : Plus it is a quanto contract so you have a long USD component
[2016-02-07 20:26:36] BitMEX_Wally : long gamma
[2016-02-07 20:26:45] Tulip_stefan : yeah that makes sense.
[2016-02-07 20:34:51] lockhedge : now we got a discount/negative premium/interest rate...
[2016-02-07 20:35:36] Tulip_stefan : yeah i noticed.
[2016-02-07 20:53:05] lockhedge : Tulip_stefan: that's the index my bot is following, it's open source https://robotfinance.org/bix/ read that you are also developing your own reference index, would be great to learn more about your project
[2016-02-07 20:54:29] Tulip_stefan : I'm not developing my own reference index. I already have a trading bot which has been doing well for some time, internally it uses something i can modify to function as an index which should be better than tradeblock.
[2016-02-07 20:54:37] Tulip_stefan : (hopefully)
[2016-02-07 20:55:34] Tulip_stefan : This is my website: http://tuliphft.com/
[2016-02-07 20:56:57] Tulip_stefan : profit figures are slightly outdated. i think there we have 78 or 79 BTC profit now rather than 35 when we made the page.
[2016-02-07 20:57:06] Tulip_stefan : actually that's more than 'slightly' outdated...
[2016-02-07 20:58:26] sleger : Tulip_stefan: how many licence did you sell ?
[2016-02-07 20:58:37] rapidtrades : u think the current gap with china will close once their new year ends?
[2016-02-07 20:59:40] rapidtrades : even okc usd is $3 higher...seems like a liquidity issue
[2016-02-07 21:00:43] Tulip_stefan : sleger: not much, but i'm more focused on improving the bot than marketing, i don't really care how many licensed i sell, i profit a lot from the bot already.
[2016-02-07 21:01:49] habibi : so basically u saying u are selling money :)
[2016-02-07 21:03:17] Tulip_stefan : If the customers can't get their investment back my product has failed.
[2016-02-07 21:03:22] sleger : i dont really understand the logic for selling it, assuming all is true
[2016-02-07 21:04:01] Tulip_stefan : i don't expect that you do. I'm not selling for the money. I'm selling for the motivation and feedback my customers give.
[2016-02-07 21:04:37] rapidtrades : logic: he needs the mmoney now....or he doesn't think strategy is scalable....or he doesn't believe in it longterm
[2016-02-07 21:04:37] habibi : no offence but firstt impression is "its a scam, watchout, too many red flags"
[2016-02-07 21:04:43] sleger : the website is not super explicit, do you sell an executable or source code ?
[2016-02-07 21:04:50] rapidtrades : the usual reasons why ppl go into money management i assume
[2016-02-07 21:04:52] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i had no clue that okc was higher than the US markets. I don't follow the markets.
[2016-02-07 21:05:01] Tulip_stefan : executable.
[2016-02-07 21:05:35] habibi : Tulip_stefan: please provide some screenshots. anything coz page looks like 5 minutes scam
[2016-02-07 21:05:54] rapidtrades : what's the bot about?
[2016-02-07 21:05:58] Tulip_stefan : Call it a scam if you want. I'm well aware of the state of trading bots, because i call all of them scams as well :P
[2016-02-07 21:06:20] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: that's just what a scammer would say :)
[2016-02-07 21:06:56] habibi : "I'm selling for the motivation and feedback my customers give." so i will give as much feedback and motivation as u will need, is that a fair pay ?
[2016-02-07 21:08:19] Tulip_stefan : Just because i value the feedback doesn't mean it's a good idea to give it away for free. If will hurt my profits if i do. It will hurt my profits if i sell as well, but to a much smaller extent.
[2016-02-07 21:08:36] sleger : why not sell the source code as well ?
[2016-02-07 21:08:49] Tulip_stefan : habibi: it's a command line application. No point in providing screenshots.
[2016-02-07 21:09:00] rapidtrades : yeah no source code is a deal breaker for most traders
[2016-02-07 21:09:06] j8 : i think there's a legit place for selling trading bot infrastructure + interface.. selling strategies is a bit scammy though
[2016-02-07 21:09:17] rapidtrades : can't run smth I don't know what it does
[2016-02-07 21:09:19] Tulip_stefan : how much would you pay for the source code :P
[2016-02-07 21:09:50] Tulip_stefan : 10 BTC? not enough. 100 BTC? maybe, but who's going to pay that?
[2016-02-07 21:09:54] sleger : provide lots of feedback of course
[2016-02-07 21:10:24] rapidtrades : i would pay the same as for a bot with no source....it's a requirement for me, u don't get a bonus
[2016-02-07 21:10:46] micmix : Tulip_stefan: what's the trading profile of your bot? taker/maker, # of trades per day etc.?
[2016-02-07 21:11:12] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: then you're not our target audience :P
[2016-02-07 21:11:49] j8 : no one will pay for open source either unless you can make them somehow
[2016-02-07 21:11:51] rapidtrades : while we're on this subject....I need some arb bots coded...where should I go and how much should I expect to pay
[2016-02-07 21:11:53] Tulip_stefan : i trade around once or twice my portfolio per day. I'd rather not give any specifics over the strategy
[2016-02-07 21:12:38] rapidtrades : Tulip_stefan: that sounds awful
[2016-02-07 21:12:41] sleger : micmix: could you do dev for me? (java)
[2016-02-07 21:13:00] habibi : Tulip_stefan: so the app just follows ur trades? or its bot...?
[2016-02-07 21:13:00] rapidtrades : so it's not making markets...nor is it catching bigger moves on longer-term charts
[2016-02-07 21:13:13] rapidtrades : seems like the worst timeframe to choose for bitcoin
[2016-02-07 21:13:22] micmix : sorry sleger, have zero spare time :-(
[2016-02-07 21:13:52] sleger : Tulip_stefan: can it double down, ie say you're long 1btc, it loses so next day it's long 2, and if it loses then next day long more etc... ?
[2016-02-07 21:14:06] Tulip_stefan : Sorry, i only do C++ or python, unless you want your bot coded in assembly or rust.
[2016-02-07 21:14:55] sleger : micmix: would only be some fix gateway in java, probably couple of hours for you ;
[2016-02-07 21:15:09] Tulip_stefan : sleger: my bot always goes all-in in either direction. I don't win every day, but averaged over a month it's usually profitable.
[2016-02-07 21:15:47] Tulip_stefan : doubling down is bullshit. I'm a computer scientist, not a trader. I only make moves that make sense from a statistical standpoint.
[2016-02-07 21:15:49] sleger : oh ok so daily output is : long flat or short. ok
[2016-02-07 21:16:49] sleger : Tulip_stefan: well people who do what you want to do dont sell their algo, they manage capital and take % of returns
[2016-02-07 21:17:08] micmix : sleger: I didn't do any Java in the last 5+ years, will take more than a few hours unfortunately :-(
[2016-02-07 21:17:27] sleger : micmix: oh sorry i thought you coded everything in java
[2016-02-07 21:17:42] Tulip_stefan : That's a good point, and we have thought about that. But if we do that, we'll have a lot of liabilities we want to avoid.
[2016-02-07 21:17:52] rapidtrades : sleger: it's a bit hard to collect money for bitcoin trading tho :) has anyone done it yet?
[2016-02-07 21:18:12] micmix : no, C# and javascript @sleger
[2016-02-07 21:18:14] lockhedge : sleger: do you need a FIX api wrapper for OKC?
[2016-02-07 21:18:22] sleger : lockhedge: yes
[2016-02-07 21:18:59] lockhedge : sleger: i was searching for python, only found java... https://github.com/sutra/okcoin-client
[2016-02-07 21:19:00] sleger : i have some java code I took from their repo, manage to get market data, construct order book, submit an order but not cxl for instance
[2016-02-07 21:19:56] sleger : lockhedge: i saw that one, but not much more than on 0kc github
[2016-02-07 21:20:25] micmix : tscha is a java guy, our system is C#/F# and javascript
[2016-02-07 21:20:46] sleger : micmix: i thought JS was similar enough to java :p
[2016-02-07 21:21:05] Tulip_stefan : java is more akin to C# than js...
[2016-02-07 21:21:17] rapidtrades : is there a lot of work for a python programer?
[2016-02-07 21:21:36] micmix : just the first 4 letters of the name are the same, everything else is different
[2016-02-07 21:21:41] rapidtrades : if one focuses on trading bots/apps whatever
[2016-02-07 21:21:41] sleger : micmix: well TBH, I am looking for 0kc fix gateway running as standalone on linux (so everything but c#) and communicating with my algo via socket, so could be almost any language
[2016-02-07 21:22:12] sleger : rapidtrades: python is the easiest
[2016-02-07 21:23:39] Tulip_stefan : rapidtrades: i wouldn't know. I only deal with trading in my spare time. I guess that python/R skill are in demand for algo trading firms on research positions and C-family stuff for the actual implementation.
[2016-02-07 21:24:04] REKT : Liquidated short on `XBT24H`: Buy 250 @ 375.26
[2016-02-07 21:24:41] Tulip_stefan : I actually hate python but i still prototype a lot of stuff in it because the ecosystem is so good.
[2016-02-07 21:25:17] rapidtrades : idk if the time investment to learn pyhton is worth it...prolly is
[2016-02-07 21:25:34] rapidtrades : most of the stuff I need coded is fairly simple
[2016-02-07 21:25:34] micmix : sleger: sorry, I could've made something in C# in 4-6 hours but not in java
[2016-02-07 21:25:36] sleger : rapidtrades: learn python VS doing what ?
[2016-02-07 21:25:43] Tulip_stefan : what do you want to use it for, and what would you use otherwise?
[2016-02-07 21:25:49] rapidtrades : vs pay smone @sleger